Technically speaking it's actual mint and it's perfectly preserved on top of that it's probably the last of its kind and extremely rare might be a collector's item if you could convince a collector that it's real
Wish they would have added his speech before opening the door, makes it all the better To anyone who hadn't seen it, he had just finished saying "She's the worst, and I'll say it to her face" right before she knocked on the door
“Another link in the world’s worst chain.” Damn, you can tell that genuinely hurt Pacifica. It just shows how much she grew attached to him up until that moment. At the start of the episode, he said “you’re the worst” to her and it didn’t even phase her, like it was expected. Perfect example of “you hurt the ones you love the most”.
1:15 this one was especially funny because it's a subversion of a common trope, the classic "character says one thing and immediately the opposite thing happens" But Dipper actually does what he said he would do, which ends up being funny because of how normalized the trope where the opposite happens is.
"You're the worst" will always be one of my favorite moments. Not only was it a good subversion how that sort of scene usually goes, but it showed he was a man of his word.
This has helped me realize what a perfect foil Bill Cipher is to Dipper. Dipper is a normal pre-teen who is self-conscious, socially awkward, and brutally honest. Because of this he has a great family life and great/supportive friend group. Meanwhile you have Bill who despite being charismatic, having infinite cosmic power, and always lying to others to get them on his side, he doesn't really have what Dipper has in terms of family and friends..
It's not their fault but yeah it is cheating. At least it would be if we had rules but really given the modern mentality of life the rules are just suggestions to people that they can change. Then again the best way to get rich is investing in the newest fad and selling just before it reaches its peek. So you can be sure your getting high and don't accidently tank.
Being rich tho is cheating at life. she doesn't have to worry about what regular people worry about: gas, food, rent, working a job, etc. When you're rich all of the daily life struggles we have are not even problems to her.
@@wildonions3188 any other problems are available such as maintaining that and the constant need to go up that always involves bigger and bigger risks until you plateau or own the world.
I also find it funny that there is defo something going on between her and Dipper - so I would not be surprised if he will also "cheat in life" at some point
0:07 I like how Dipper gave all the evidence of the Northwest family being built upon lies to Pacifica instead of the town. Either he knew the townspeople wouldn't believe him, or he just wanted to spite Pacifica specifically... or both.
@@Spoonicks Or maybe it foreshadowed Pacifica eventually redeeming herself by letting the poor people into the mansion. As soon as she realized her whole family's legacy was fake, it humiliated her, and led to her becoming a better person.
Dipper is probably one of the first cartoon characters I related to. His determination to get shit done and be honest is some real shit. The arc of Him and Pacifica is cool too cause it humanizes that stereotypical "arrogant rich good looking prick" person and the truth behind rich kids, which is something I figured out being friends with rich kids irl. Dipper is the most realistic character of all the characters, and grounds this show in reality despite the mystical magic stuff.
Yeah, Dipper is just reletable... And that episode with Pacifica actually made me reconsider my hatred for rich people. And then I decided, nope, hating them was the right call, because man, the two rich kids I hung out with were pricks...
3:26 The odd 'Sting' that plays when he shrugs, makes me imagine the Mysterious stranger from fallout appearing just to give Dipper a Thumbs up in agreement.
@@ghostwizard7597 considering Disney / S&P got upset over “there once was a dude from Kentucky” I wouldn’t be surprised if they got upset over this line 💀
@@duduamrosh You just described my life right there. everyone has flaws, and personally- if a character DIDN'T have flaws, I don't think i would like them very much. Just because the flaws are what makes the character relatable. might just be me but idk
@@user-fv2pb2dn5c The thing they deny is that Mabel actually learns from her mistakes, grew as a character and faces the consequences like Dipper and other characters. She is a good sister to Dipper despite teasing him. She does show remorse and she is not some sort of an irredeemable demon.
@@duduamrosh exactly. I 100% agree. My siblings and I tease each other and yet we love each other just the same 🤷 people have their ways of expressing themselves and I feel like while some might find it offensive and rude, she still loves him.
@@user-fv2pb2dn5c yeah. It just makes me sick whoever keeps saying that she is toxic to Dipper or anything like that. I understand that people have opinions if they say like "Mabel is selfish" or "Mabel is bad". But something like "she never faced the consequences" or" she mocked him all the time" is going too far.
I just rewatched GF with my little sister, and this is one think I really liked about Dipper's character : He doesn't care about how much the truth hurts, he is honest with others when he needs to (it is most of the time used for commedy sake but he still his honest with others), HOWEVER, when it comes to being honest about himself, there's no more of that confidence. And seeing this personality trait evolve throughout the show really made Dipper a more enjoyable character !
This is especially clear with Wendy with that shape shifting monster and in Mabel Land. It appeals to his love for Wendy, it gives him what he wants but he has the resolve to throw it in their face because he is honest. And knows Wendy wouldn’t do that despite how he wants her to.
One of the things that made me love Dipper is his snarky and sardonic attitude, which perfectly complements Mabel's goofiness and optimistic outlook. Also, it's pretty much the norm for a lot of children's cartoons to have their kid protagonist have an upbeat and sunny personality, but what makes Dipper so fantastic is that pulls no punches when it comes to displaying his contempt for certain things or people or pointing out the improbability of something in a very matter-of-fact manner. He takes no bs and I love him for that.
@@shoelessbandit1581 kid and his totally fucking awesome grandpa and go have fun in space and shit while his parents gets a divorce his grandpa clones his mom and they are completely opposite there is also the council of ricks (and morties) and the new president morty is like, really sunny and evil
@@shoelessbandit1581 I don't really think Rick and Morty count as a children's cartoon considering the amount of inappropriate situations, but it's true that it shares many similarities with Gravity Falls.
It's the reason Dipper and Sokka are my two favorite cartoon protagonists. People hate what they say at times, but they're usually never wrong. Also Sokka gets a +1 for being the pun guy
I like that Dipper is only 12-13 years old and he's smart enough to be this honest. Edit: Bruh why are there still people replying to this comment after a f##king year???
You must have never met a 13 years old. I'm 21 (almost) currently, and when I was a 13 years old, although I was smart at that time, I was an incredibly honest douchebag. I've always thought I was mature enough but in fact, I've been always embarresed by my actions the next year. I never started truly growing up except after 16; that's when I begin rarely having "Oh I messed up last year" moments and these feelings completely vanished after 17. I begin travelling abroad at 19, learning more about life, countries, visa, passports, backs, politics, governments, and how everything works. Nothing impressed me much, but I didn't claim to know anything previously either, and I found myself having the capability to admit when I was wrong even to the worst of people, unlike when I was < 16.
@@nullbeyondo and I'm only 15 lol. I have noticed nowadays that I used to be a pretty cringey kid at the age of 12 and below, but when I became a teenager, it started to go away, so I can relate.
@@catbatrat1760 probably intentional choice of the editor of these clips. its a reverb effect but you put the sfx of the clip + some empty space into another clip which you extend far enough for the reverb to take place. Normally reverb would just cut after the original audio is over, but if we apply it to a clip which also has some empty space which is treated as audio then it can work... atleast thats how I was doing stuff in davinci resolve... to conclude, most definitely positively intentional by the author
@@winglessfairy564 There’s a difference between disrespectful sibling vs Mean sibling. We gotta be rude towards them sibs, it’s natural. No mean stuff, tho. That ain’t it. Sincerely, Oldest of 4
@@Spoonickswhich is one of the many reasons that GF has my full respect: The animators/writers/producers make sure of the consistency as said by Alex himself
1:16 I love this moment because he’s doing exactly what he said he would just before. You’d expect him to back out but no, Dipper Pines is a man of his word
Pacify northwest is the worst and I’d say that to her face [two second later] Pacifica knocks at door and says I need your help Your the worst (DOOR SLAM)
It’s funny how he’s really cute and he is literally my mood 24/7. He’s really underrated he just really wants people to acknowledge him and listen to him. My entire life if I was in gravity falls is to hang out with dipper and solve all the mysteries of the place
Yeah but there's a difference, they've kind of shown Wendy having a kind of special spot for Dipper, Dipper might have a chance when he gets older. Gideon doesn't
Dipper was one of the first characters I ever saw myself in. His skepticism, his honesty, his curiosity, and more have always reminded me of myself. In a way, I think Dipper wasn't just made representing Alex Hirsch, but the audience as well.
I'm... Pretty sure it's the other way around. Curious and determined people are drawn to stories with a curious and determined main character. Dipper wasn't made to fit the audience, the audience changed to fit him
I think he was not that cynical, he was never "life doesn't matter" more just "why are you like this". He was somewhat like krierkergard than like Nitzche. Dipper would get this reference. I do find his brutal honesty very appealing and wish other characters were like him, not to hopeless but just enough to realize it's fun when you aren't getting bullied and have someone beside you.
I can also relate to Dipper as an asexual cuz even though I know Dipper is probably straight he just gives off a lot of those vibes when he sees other couples in public or when judging Mabel for her crushes
1:55 "Do you think you could do this somewhere else? You're laughing at frequencies only dogs should hear." That's a good one. I'll have to use that later.
This is one of the reasons why Dipper is my favorite Gravity Falls character. He always speaks his mind and he’s never ashamed of it. His dry sense of humor and snarky attitude is one of the things that makes him interesting.
"There once was a man from Kentucky, Who spent a lot of time with his rubber ducky The duck got away/Twas such a sad day! It turns out Kentucky was unlucky."
Dipper was my first fictional crush and this was probably why EDIT: you guys realize he was my FIRST fictional crush right? a lot of the people who simped for him around the time the show was airing, me included, WERE KIDS. THE SAME. AGE. AS DIPPER. we're older teens and adults now, just reminiscing. of course, i still simp for fictional characters, but the charas i simp for now are ADULTS. please read this comment THE WHOLE WAY THROUGH before you think i'm weird.
Dipper was always my favorite character just from how he took no shit. Sure, he was self conscious, anxious, and wanted to fit in. But when it mattered, he stood his ground. He was willing to tell it to you straight exactly what he thought of you, and even if it was hurtful, it was probably true. He was one of the most cynical cartoon protagonists, which is an amazing contrast from how most cartoon protagonists are. Most are simply happy, naive, and then when you get farther into the series, they show their secret sad side for one episode and then it's never spoken about again. Dipper was relatable though, he may have not been the cheerful, happy protagonist, but he genuinely was funny with all of his sarcastic comments! He is determined, gets to the roots of the problem, and tries his best in pretty much every situation. And he was flawed. He wasn't perfect, which cartoons admittedly get better about making imperfect characters throughout the series, but Dipper is a perfect example. While he likes to think things through, come at a problem from multiple different angles, he sometimes goes for the easiest solution without thinking of the consequences. He doesn't think twice about cheating to beat Robbie, and instead immediately uses the opportunity granted to him to defeat Robbie. He was willing to make a deal with a dream demon, something he knew almost nothing about except that it was extremely powerful and very likely dangerous, just to get into a computer. He has his flaws, but he overcomes them, makes the situation better in the end. And he sacrifices so much, especially for his sister. He had the opportunity to learn from one of the greatest minds of all time, someone he looked up to, and yet he turned it down because Mabel didn't want to be alone. I love Dipper's character so much :)
Well, Robbie was twice his size, yet half as mature and intelligent. And Mabel kept blowing him off, and going back on her word. So, he wasn’t really left with much choice.
I’m late but there’s that one scene in Despicable Me 2 where Gru sprays a girl with water and says ‘Oh I’m sorry I didn’t see you there’ *sprays her again* ‘Or there’. And that’s Dipper as a teenager through adulthood in my mind.
I like that Dipper’s honesty extends to himself as well as those around him. It keeps him from just seeming like an unlikable know it all and more like an actually intelligent kid who can’t keep his mouth shut.
This is just my opinion, but I think that, while superficially Dipper is like Ford and Mabel is like Stan, there’s a level where it’s the other way around. Ford and Mabel are both kind of the “golden child”, Ford because of his brains and Mabel because of her ability to bond with people. They are also both quite trusting, with a tendency to see the best in people, but can also be a little selfish. Dipper and Stan, on the other hand, see themselves (rightly or wrongly) as the less favoured sibling. They are both a bit more grounded and realistic, but also more cynical, and lack the self-worth and self-confidence of their siblings.
@@samueldixon9028 yeah, dipper and Stan perpetually see themselves as the “outsiders” the ones who can’t do anything right or put their people in danger. It’s really interesting to see how much more you can find in the characters as you age
@@SomeCraftive-Art dunno if he 100% fits in those categories but Raz from the Psychonauts games might be a protagonist worth checking out he's got some jokes, charm and sass but he's also pretty nice and might as well be giving free therapy sessions. and he's a 10 year old middle child. just a funny little guy. probably the most delightful main chara to play as and listen to plus i feel like the Psychonauts games cater to GF fans, with their characters and universe, and watching them out of context can be An Experience (there's also an old guy named Ford whose mind is a bit ehhh. yknow... mindfuck and all)
@@SomeCraftive-Art No problem! honestly the gravity falls to psychonauts pipeline is hilarious and feels natural you can check this out of context video that got the three games if you want, tis funny: ua-cam.com/video/oBSmDT7_JAE/v-deo.html (^no major spoilers in it)
you are right, but reckless people are also needed, otherwise there will be no harmony. Dipper and Mabel are so cool because they complement each other. If it weren't for Mabel, the series wouldn't be as interesting.
(My personal headcannon) When Dipper responds to Bill saying "Admit it, you missed me" with "Hardly!", I think it's because he knows Bill is evil, but is still fascinated by him
If Bill was real and he appeared in my house one day, I would ask him "How TF do you work?? Why do you wear a bowtie if you ain't got a proper neck? Is there a shape sorting toy where you fit in your dimension?"
Dipper being so done during the whole "Mabel's dream world" sequence was so funny because the audience felt the same way. LIKE COME ON MABEL THERES AN APOCALYPSE NOWS NOT THE TIME!!
@@Seika-Neo_S84 I love the moments where she calls him by nicknames like Dipping sauce, bro bro. It explains how stronger their relationship than any other sibling relationship.
For less than a second at 3:53 in the video you can catch the moment when Pacifica’s heart broke for the very first time in her life, when Dipper says she’s “just another link in the world’s worst chain”. Ouch, on many levels.
What we love about each Gravity Falls character: Mabel: her cute, quirky personality; Wendy: her laid-back, big sister-ish demeanor; Stan: his quirky, wisecracking, caring personality; Soos: his friendly, funny, "big buddy" personality; Bill: his absolute, total insanity; Ford: his laid-back, "big mentor" personality; Dipper: his clever, not-giving-up, resourceful, caring demeanor... but most of all, his "not gonna sugarcoat it", snarky, brutally honest attitude and razor-sharp tongue. It's just marvelous.
I have a friend who is the physical living embodiment of dipper, maybe cause dipper shaped him who he wanted to be or the fact he's just like that lmao
Dipper Pines gave me the courage to be a blunt and honest person with the confidence of a lion. I’d like to thank his character and tribute this comment to him 🛐
4:08 I wish the part with Dipper asking “Why the does the Sun has Sunglasses?!” was on this video because it’s actually a really good honest question that for me when I was first watching made me realize it’s a hilarious thing lots of brands do! 🤣
Astronomically speaking, there are suns much bigger than ours and burn 100x as bright. But questions, unless phrased in that certain tone, isn’t being honest or lying.
@@Spoonicks Ya 😆 I just thought it was a funny scene, especially because the Sun in our solar system doesn’t have eyes and or have sunglasses big enough to fit all around it plus if there’s suns brighter it would most likely not come in contact with the sun in this solar system!
@@EvangelineRulez Actually both Huey & Dipper have mentioned this same statement about the Sun having sunglasses. In Season 1 Episode 15 “The Deep End” of Gravity Falls Soos has a swim bag that has the Sun with Sunglasses when Dipper makes this comment, while in Ducktales Season 1 Episode 4 “The Impossible Summit of Mt. Neverest” Huey looks a at brochure with a similar Sun to where that statement is implied but yes now I’m wondering if this was a coincidence or not! 😲
0:39 I love how you counted the presenter as Dipper being brutally honest, since it's just thoughts projected through a fictional character in the mind of a fictional character in a fictional story
90% of these are just Dipper being sassy and sarcastic in an entertaining way and the other 10% hurt me on an emotional level every time I watch them. I love this show.
"Flip a dip dip"
"I HATE HIM SO MUCH"
Seeing that again now, looks kinda cursed ngl ovo;;
I quote that all of the time- the delivery is so funny, it just works.
Yes Nome, we watched the video too
In the storyboards, Dipper straight-up snapped his neck. No joke. 180 degrees.
@@Piiiiiiiiit Please don't tell me which of the two you quote
“Shes rich. Shes cheating at life”
Aged like fine wine
Absolutely
That should be a quote
It didn't really age like fine wine when this has been a problem since before the majority of us were born
It's absolutely timeless.
👌
Dipper is the definition of “I am not gonna sugarcoat it”
Damn right
@@rickyuzumaki695*_DAAAAMN_* right
That's a very good way of putting it, yes.
*"DAAAAAAMN!"*
A distinct lack of additive glucose
There’s two versions of Dipper I see here:
Season 1, honest but caring
Season 2, an absolute savage
He was hardened by the struggle against the mysteries of Gravity Falls.
Facts
Grown up for his adventures
Reminds me of Mugman slowly losing his sanity through the course of The Cuphead Show
"Pacifica's rich, Mabel. She's cheating at life."
Holy shit I did not remember Dipper being this _based._
I read this as he said it😅
Bro me too
He ain’t wrong
Massive w
The way the music came right after he said it😂😂😂
“Doesn’t this seem like cheating?”
“Pacifica is rich Mabel, she’s cheating at life.” 💀
It’s true
It's politically popular
I saw this as soon as the video reached this part lol
too bad people are making fanfics of Dipper and Pacifica, and they ain't cheating on that.
This line was the one that broke me 😂
0:53 Are we just gonna ignore the fact that Dipper just drew a perfect straight on that graph paper FREEHAND.
Bros built different
To be fair, it's graph paper. And it looks like he drew on the line already there.
@@roshenhaglensfield it was perfectly straight though, he didnt use a ruler and his hand didnt shake even a millimeter
@@pottedkittyYeah because it is animated. This is a cartoon show if you didn't notice.
@@-sanju- its funnier to think of it as dipper just being good at drawing straight lines
3:39 I love how grateful he looks while saying "this is worthless"
This part will always be something I laugh at. It’s so funny
“Its less than worthless, my boy” *Doesn’t even deny it😂*
The $-12 bill had Bill on it!
It was a gift from a US president.
Technically speaking it's actual mint and it's perfectly preserved on top of that it's probably the last of its kind and extremely rare might be a collector's item if you could convince a collector that it's real
Dipper wakes up and chooses violence.
What a mood
iv heard internet rumors that he was to supposed to snap dippy fesh's neck.
@@rulersreach4n455 that was confirmed by alex
@@medicfan7764 Aw well, how beautiful the truth is!
Teenage Dipper wake up and he see's Pacifica sleeping on him, and they are in her parents bedroom
What a party.
No, he wakes up and chooses mystery!
“You’re the worst” will never get old, I think it’s the deadpan tone that does it
Wish they would have added his speech before opening the door, makes it all the better
To anyone who hadn't seen it, he had just finished saying "She's the worst, and I'll say it to her face" right before she knocked on the door
@@berys4331 dipper:"I'm not just saying that because I'm jealous- I'd say it to her face"
pacifica: \*knock knock*
Dipper: "You're the worst"
@@tomjackal5708 There were go, thanks
also "this is worthless"(with a nice and innocent smile)
@@aimannors6773 it's less than worthless
“Another link in the world’s worst chain.”
Damn, you can tell that genuinely hurt Pacifica. It just shows how much she grew attached to him up until that moment. At the start of the episode, he said “you’re the worst” to her and it didn’t even phase her, like it was expected.
Perfect example of “you hurt the ones you love the most”.
Hahaha you have a point
He's basically saying
"Ur mom"
But in British
1:15 this one was especially funny because it's a subversion of a common trope, the classic "character says one thing and immediately the opposite thing happens"
But Dipper actually does what he said he would do, which ends up being funny because of how normalized the trope where the opposite happens is.
Yes…
I just love how he didn't even hesitate to say it and then moved on with his life.
@@GhostGuy99 Not only that, he straight-up slammed the door in her face for emphasis XD
i love him for staying true to his word and character. He hates someone and he hates without filter
I never realized how brutally honest he was before. I love it
I look at a lot of memes. That is how I got the idea.
Me too!!!❤❤😂😂😂😂
Me too I never noticed 😂
Same😂😂😂😂😂😂
me neither
"You're the worst" will always be one of my favorite moments. Not only was it a good subversion how that sort of scene usually goes, but it showed he was a man of his word.
It's the kind of blatant honesty I strive for every day. Not necessarily ill will, but very forward
In Russian, Dipper called her a bitch. I think that in this case even cool sounds
@@honeypie267and more accurate
@@honeypie267 he DID!?
@@honeypie267 link now
People may find Mabel more adorable but Dipper had the best quips in the show.
She is really a good sister
my favourite was….
Dipper Fresh: *FLIPPA DIPP DIPP*
Dipper: ….i hate him so much
@@duduamroshShe Is not Bro rewatch the show She Is the most selfish motherfucker for the entirety of the show
@lapinajustleft Mine might’ve been…
Mabel: Come on, I’m not THAT lovable
Dipper: OK, we can agree on something here
@@WL-bs4nc Yeah, I may have only watched the popular episodes like Weirdmageddon and Sock Opera, but that is a good quote
This has helped me realize what a perfect foil Bill Cipher is to Dipper. Dipper is a normal pre-teen who is self-conscious, socially awkward, and brutally honest. Because of this he has a great family life and great/supportive friend group. Meanwhile you have Bill who despite being charismatic, having infinite cosmic power, and always lying to others to get them on his side, he doesn't really have what Dipper has in terms of family and friends..
That and he’s literally an insane triangle that destroyed his own dimension just for the bit
And Dipper is shaped very differently from a triangle
@@TheRealVorynDagoth🤯
Holy heck, you're right! :O /gen
"She's rich, she's cheating at life."
Ouch.
True, but ouch.
It's not their fault but yeah it is cheating. At least it would be if we had rules but really given the modern mentality of life the rules are just suggestions to people that they can change. Then again the best way to get rich is investing in the newest fad and selling just before it reaches its peek. So you can be sure your getting high and don't accidently tank.
Being rich tho is cheating at life. she doesn't have to worry about what regular people worry about: gas, food, rent, working a job, etc. When you're rich all of the daily life struggles we have are not even problems to her.
@@wildonions3188 any other problems are available such as maintaining that and the constant need to go up that always involves bigger and bigger risks until you plateau or own the world.
I also find it funny that there is defo something going on between her and Dipper - so I would not be surprised if he will also "cheat in life" at some point
@@wildonions3188 Have you seen Stranger Things 3(Yes 3)? Because there's an argument that connects to what you just said.
0:07 I like how Dipper gave all the evidence of the Northwest family being built upon lies to Pacifica instead of the town. Either he knew the townspeople wouldn't believe him, or he just wanted to spite Pacifica specifically... or both.
or the episode had 3 minutes left and they had to wrap it up quickly
@@Spoonicks Or maybe it foreshadowed Pacifica eventually redeeming herself by letting the poor people into the mansion. As soon as she realized her whole family's legacy was fake, it humiliated her, and led to her becoming a better person.
@@jacobcox4565or the episode had 3 minutes left and they had to wrap it up quickly
not everything needs to be a theory ☠️
@@bloodhoundo9320 When it came to Gravity Falls, everything had a theory behind it.
4:20 Tell that to Phineas and Ferb
As someone who's seen the Phineas & Ferb series finale, I will!
it's crazy how it's directly at 420 timestamp.
Dipper is probably one of the first cartoon characters I related to. His determination to get shit done and be honest is some real shit. The arc of Him and Pacifica is cool too cause it humanizes that stereotypical "arrogant rich good looking prick" person and the truth behind rich kids, which is something I figured out being friends with rich kids irl. Dipper is the most realistic character of all the characters, and grounds this show in reality despite the mystical magic stuff.
I liked that episode as well, I’d ship them
Yeah, Dipper is just reletable...
And that episode with Pacifica actually made me reconsider my hatred for rich people.
And then I decided, nope, hating them was the right call, because man, the two rich kids I hung out with were pricks...
@@silvercandra4275 Um, you should rewatch that episode again
@@gabrielkawa3477 I did recently... didn't work a second time.
@@silvercandra4275 Well that's good. However, not every rich person is an asshole.
3:22
This one is what got me good ☠️
**unidentifiable keyboard riff**
I don't know how Disney allowed this lmao. Gravity Falls walked that thin edge line so Owl House could run.
3:26 The odd 'Sting' that plays when he shrugs, makes me imagine the Mysterious stranger from fallout appearing just to give Dipper a Thumbs up in agreement.
@@ghostwizard7597 considering Disney / S&P got upset over “there once was a dude from Kentucky” I wouldn’t be surprised if they got upset over this line 💀
its his shrug at the end that takes me out 😭
I love how dipper and mabel just love each other so much. it makes it so heartwarming and wholesome how they stand up for each other
Yes!
Exactly
They are honestly very good siblings.
It is really weird (even weirder than Weirdmageddon) that many say that she is toxic to Dipper.
@@duduamrosh You just described my life right there. everyone has flaws, and personally- if a character DIDN'T have flaws, I don't think i would like them very much. Just because the flaws are what makes the character relatable. might just be me but idk
@@user-fv2pb2dn5c The thing they deny is that Mabel actually learns from her mistakes, grew as a character and faces the consequences like Dipper and other characters.
She is a good sister to Dipper despite teasing him.
She does show remorse and she is not some sort of an irredeemable demon.
@@duduamrosh exactly. I 100% agree. My siblings and I tease each other and yet we love each other just the same 🤷 people have their ways of expressing themselves and I feel like while some might find it offensive and rude, she still loves him.
@@user-fv2pb2dn5c yeah.
It just makes me sick whoever keeps saying that she is toxic to Dipper or anything like that.
I understand that people have opinions if they say like "Mabel is selfish" or "Mabel is bad".
But something like "she never faced the consequences" or" she mocked him all the time" is going too far.
You gotta admit, no matter what kind of powerful weirdness Bill holds, Dipper's brutal honesty is unmatched in that sense.
One of the most relatable sibling quote from Gravity Falls is:
I'm not *that* lovable- BAM
Ok, we agree on something here
First reply ha
Ha
as someone with 3 brothers i can confirm this is true
I really like your profile
@@spinningroaches as someone who has a sister coming over I can relate too
LGBT flag detected opinion rejected
Dipper is literally the only sane and normal character of the whole show and best character too, hes such a mood
What about tad strange
@@sammyjaohnson5631 hablou
@@sammyjaohnson5631 Well he likes bread, that a little far out if you ask me
@@Bjarkenb i never thought of it that way
@@BjarkenbI guess you could say it’s a *TAD STRANGE*
…
I’ll see myself out.
I just rewatched GF with my little sister, and this is one think I really liked about Dipper's character : He doesn't care about how much the truth hurts, he is honest with others when he needs to (it is most of the time used for commedy sake but he still his honest with others), HOWEVER, when it comes to being honest about himself, there's no more of that confidence. And seeing this personality trait evolve throughout the show really made Dipper a more enjoyable character !
This is especially clear with Wendy with that shape shifting monster and in Mabel Land. It appeals to his love for Wendy, it gives him what he wants but he has the resolve to throw it in their face because he is honest. And knows Wendy wouldn’t do that despite how he wants her to.
@@cidercake4373 That's actually a really good point. I didn't think of how his honesty might've had something to do with that.
"Man, revenge is underrated that felt awesome!"
- Dipper after laying down the biggest truth to Pacifica
One of the things that made me love Dipper is his snarky and sardonic attitude, which perfectly complements Mabel's goofiness and optimistic outlook. Also, it's pretty much the norm for a lot of children's cartoons to have their kid protagonist have an upbeat and sunny personality, but what makes Dipper so fantastic is that pulls no punches when it comes to displaying his contempt for certain things or people or pointing out the improbability of something in a very matter-of-fact manner. He takes no bs and I love him for that.
You right but to be fair you have to have a very high IQ to understand Rick and Morty...
@@shoelessbandit1581 kid and his totally fucking awesome grandpa and go have fun in space and shit while his parents gets a divorce his grandpa clones his mom and they are completely opposite there is also the council of ricks (and morties) and the new president morty is like, really sunny and evil
@@shoelessbandit1581 I don't really think Rick and Morty count as a children's cartoon considering the amount of inappropriate situations, but it's true that it shares many similarities with Gravity Falls.
@@animeamber24 I was just referring to the copypasta because that's what the comment reminded me of
It's the reason Dipper and Sokka are my two favorite cartoon protagonists. People hate what they say at times, but they're usually never wrong. Also Sokka gets a +1 for being the pun guy
I like that Dipper is only 12-13 years old and he's smart enough to be this honest.
Edit: Bruh why are there still people replying to this comment after a f##king year???
Oh, no. 11-12 year olds have the mentality of someone who met God and wasn't impressed
@@Lrd_Storm yeah lol
You must have never met a 13 years old. I'm 21 (almost) currently, and when I was a 13 years old, although I was smart at that time, I was an incredibly honest douchebag. I've always thought I was mature enough but in fact, I've been always embarresed by my actions the next year. I never started truly growing up except after 16; that's when I begin rarely having "Oh I messed up last year" moments and these feelings completely vanished after 17. I begin travelling abroad at 19, learning more about life, countries, visa, passports, backs, politics, governments, and how everything works. Nothing impressed me much, but I didn't claim to know anything previously either, and I found myself having the capability to admit when I was wrong even to the worst of people, unlike when I was < 16.
@@nullbeyondo and I'm only 15 lol. I have noticed nowadays that I used to be a pretty cringey kid at the age of 12 and below, but when I became a teenager, it started to go away, so I can relate.
I’m 12 and I usually always tell the truth, but I get impressed easily.
1:24 That slight reverb after the cut is golden
You're right! I didn't notice that!
How'd that even happen? /genq
@@catbatrat1760 probably intentional choice of the editor of these clips.
its a reverb effect but you put the sfx of the clip + some empty space into another clip which you extend far enough for the reverb to take place. Normally reverb would just cut after the original audio is over, but if we apply it to a clip which also has some empty space which is treated as audio then it can work... atleast thats how I was doing stuff in davinci resolve...
to conclude, most definitely positively intentional by the author
4:11 literally helps them almost every episode from then on
Yeah Mabel was right to pick it up
1:02 "Aaaaand this is worse than the apocalypse" Dipper's best line ever.
Yep
@@Iamfirey2763_ he and Pacifica didn't end up together. Such injustice.
This is worse than the apocalypse
Is it worse than weirdmaggedon?
@@greentoesbstatus4325 Well weirdmageddon is the apocalypse.
Dipper is one of the few characters Alex Hirsch doesn't voice and yet he gives off the most of Alex's vibes.
Which makes sense, as he's a self insert.
Isn't Dipper and Mabel inspired by the sibling relationship between Alex and his twin sis?
@@livelikelemons9763 yes
he's inspired in alex
Wait he ISNT?!
“Middle Schoolers will insult you, but in an _accurate_ way.”
- John Mulaney
“Woah, this is worthless”
“It’s *less* than worthless my boy”
I like how Mabel and Dipper have a genuine, healthy sibling relationship.
THANK you!
First one I've seen.
I did always hate how being rude, disrespectful and toxic to your siblings is normalized and apparently occasionally funny
@@winglessfairy564 There’s a difference between disrespectful sibling vs Mean sibling. We gotta be rude towards them sibs, it’s natural. No mean stuff, tho. That ain’t it.
Sincerely,
Oldest of 4
And then there are me and my brother who always brawl every 6 hours
He's spitting facts tho
We all know it tho
fr
One of my favorite parts of his character, he’s not annoyingly wimpy. He’s confident in what he’s confident in, and says what he wants to say
i love how this contains both moments meant as jokes and scenes that have major emotional baggage to them
His consistency was one of the reasons I put this together. He states his open thoughts, regardless of whether or not he should.
@@Spoonickswhich is one of the many reasons that GF has my full respect: The animators/writers/producers make sure of the consistency as said by Alex himself
@@khanhuyen-co7ft Keeping this in mind for my own writing
1:16 I love this moment because he’s doing exactly what he said he would just before. You’d expect him to back out but no, Dipper Pines is a man of his word
Oh yes, I was waiting for that 😂 but oh well it wasn't as funny without the context.
Pacify northwest is the worst and I’d say that to her face
[two second later]
Pacifica knocks at door and says I need your help
Your the worst (DOOR SLAM)
sorry but “you’re the worst” will always be one of dipper’s best liness😭
"She's out fishing with her family. Maybe if you'd listen to her for once, you'd know that" Dipper calling Robby a shitty bf
Girls dig shitty boyfriends. Dudes who pay attention to details are creeps.
4:37 "Mabel. Is. Useless." Got me ☠️☠️ LMAO
Replace useless with selfish and what you got
True
@@Tari_10_Editz that’s true too
PFTTT I LOVE HIM SM
Aqua:
It’s funny how he’s really cute and he is literally my mood 24/7. He’s really underrated he just really wants people to acknowledge him and listen to him. My entire life if I was in gravity falls is to hang out with dipper and solve all the mysteries of the place
Same man. I remember myself watching GF with 13 years old and think that would be awesome have Dipper as a friend
Same Dipper is one of my favorite characters. I would definitely hang out with him.
“OMG he’s literally JUST LIKE ME!”
#tootrue
Underrated
*_Is the Main Character_*
1:08
He can’t be talking he simps for Wendy WAY to hard
Yeah but there's a difference, they've kind of shown Wendy having a kind of special spot for Dipper, Dipper might have a chance when he gets older. Gideon doesn't
well dipper never pressured wendy into dating him and didn't constantly say she would "be his queen", gideon was extremely creepy towards mabel
@@erikapavedtheway I know but I’m just saying
@@zarcono4546Gideon has literally no chance
Random funfact: Gideon's Brazilian voice actor is the same as Sanji :)
I love how dipper becomes more sarcastic & confident.
Dipper was one of the first characters I ever saw myself in. His skepticism, his honesty, his curiosity, and more have always reminded me of myself. In a way, I think Dipper wasn't just made representing Alex Hirsch, but the audience as well.
I'm... Pretty sure it's the other way around. Curious and determined people are drawn to stories with a curious and determined main character. Dipper wasn't made to fit the audience, the audience changed to fit him
He’s also neurodivergent
@@justinamakwe6187 wait canonically?
I think he was not that cynical, he was never "life doesn't matter" more just "why are you like this". He was somewhat like krierkergard than like Nitzche. Dipper would get this reference. I do find his brutal honesty very appealing and wish other characters were like him, not to hopeless but just enough to realize it's fun when you aren't getting bullied and have someone beside you.
I can also relate to Dipper as an asexual cuz even though I know Dipper is probably straight he just gives off a lot of those vibes when he sees other couples in public or when judging Mabel for her crushes
1:56 "Do you think you can do this somewhere else? You guys are laughing at frequencies only dogs should hear" is the jackpot
ngl i thought he said dog shit
@@CylarIsSilent i love this comment
@@CylarIsSilent I'm glad that I ain't the only one who thought that he cussed
@@DarkWarrior-eu7bg Bro I took a double take when I heard that
@@gigachadmagnus3648 I listened to it 3 times and I still heard him cuss
1:55 "Do you think you could do this somewhere else? You're laughing at frequencies only dogs should hear." That's a good one. I'll have to use that later.
This is one of the reasons why Dipper is my favorite Gravity Falls character. He always speaks his mind and he’s never ashamed of it. His dry sense of humor and snarky attitude is one of the things that makes him interesting.
2:41 Cutting away from the muffin on the water tower without context somehow makes it funnier 😂
Wrong timestamp
@@warriorcatsfan9366 lol thanks homie
2:46 is more accurate
@@somerandomduckwithahat5887 Holy crap, it's you!
Its an explosion!
“Pacifica’s rich, Mabel, she’s cheating at life” is one of my favorite lines 🤣🤣
Where is that at
@@Yesletsgo1443:24
That shows that dipper hates Pacifica for being a rich jerk.
I feel bad for dipper though. Nobody seems to not take him seriously.
@@eliottdeletraz97
Until her hug in her mansion, literally he WROTE ABOUT HER🥺
"There once was a man from Kentucky, Who spent a lot of time with his rubber ducky The duck got away/Twas such a sad day! It turns out Kentucky was unlucky."
“YOUR HEAD IS ON BACKWARDS!”
-cut line of Dipper snapping Dippy Fresh’s neck
Never realized how brutally honest he was, I love him sm. Best boi. ❤
sadomasochism
0:50 the best part about it is that he takes a second to actually process it before saying anything 😂
“This is still better”
I love how Dipper was brutally honest without saying a word
@@sophia-1 2:00
1:13 "And I was gonna *burn* it."
There's just something about that line that gets me everytime.
💀👌
Probably the way he said it lol
Ooh you mean the big muffin
0:08. I love how he tops it off with "deal with it"
Same here
1:41 I think Dipper is pulling off that v-neck
Just realized but 3:59 is such a well animated sequence it shows so much emotion and is really quite smooth
#agreed! 😆 I especially enjoy when he puts his hand on his face in disappointment it’s kind of just really funny to me!
alright that specific timestamp looks like a certain salute though…
@@tookie444 😳
@@tookie444 my exact thought👨🏻
I think it might’ve been James Baxter doing it, I could be wrong tho
“no, creepy. Bearo’s creepy. Everyone hates Bearo” *cuts to Bearo being left behind on shore*
always gets me 💀
I thought Bearo was a character from Inside Job. Then I saw Dippers Guide to the Unexplained.
@@jacksongibbs8998 yes
2:19 In spanish is: "Oh bro, Ig is better fall in love again with Wendy" idk smthng like that-
I love how Dipper's expression sometimes contrast to what he is actually saying😂
Dipper was my first fictional crush and this was probably why
EDIT: you guys realize he was my FIRST fictional crush right? a lot of the people who simped for him around the time the show was airing, me included, WERE KIDS. THE SAME. AGE. AS DIPPER. we're older teens and adults now, just reminiscing. of course, i still simp for fictional characters, but the charas i simp for now are ADULTS. please read this comment THE WHOLE WAY THROUGH before you think i'm weird.
Mabel was my first fictional crush she was part of the reason I found out I was lesbian
Robby and Pacifica are the reason I'm bi
Marcy from amphibia is my fictional crush
It was Wendy for me like dang no wonder dipper liked her
SupernovaFreya, dipper was also my first fictional crush and this totally explains why
I love how consistent this part of his character is
1:25 meow cat-icature!
"Pacifica's rich, Mabel. She's cheating at life"
-Dipper
(The best line ever lmao)
He’s not even wrong
And she's gorgeous, which adds to this.
@@TheGoodLuc
*_FBI OPEN UP SHE’S 12_*
Dipper was always my favorite character just from how he took no shit. Sure, he was self conscious, anxious, and wanted to fit in. But when it mattered, he stood his ground. He was willing to tell it to you straight exactly what he thought of you, and even if it was hurtful, it was probably true. He was one of the most cynical cartoon protagonists, which is an amazing contrast from how most cartoon protagonists are. Most are simply happy, naive, and then when you get farther into the series, they show their secret sad side for one episode and then it's never spoken about again. Dipper was relatable though, he may have not been the cheerful, happy protagonist, but he genuinely was funny with all of his sarcastic comments! He is determined, gets to the roots of the problem, and tries his best in pretty much every situation. And he was flawed. He wasn't perfect, which cartoons admittedly get better about making imperfect characters throughout the series, but Dipper is a perfect example. While he likes to think things through, come at a problem from multiple different angles, he sometimes goes for the easiest solution without thinking of the consequences. He doesn't think twice about cheating to beat Robbie, and instead immediately uses the opportunity granted to him to defeat Robbie. He was willing to make a deal with a dream demon, something he knew almost nothing about except that it was extremely powerful and very likely dangerous, just to get into a computer. He has his flaws, but he overcomes them, makes the situation better in the end. And he sacrifices so much, especially for his sister. He had the opportunity to learn from one of the greatest minds of all time, someone he looked up to, and yet he turned it down because Mabel didn't want to be alone.
I love Dipper's character so much :)
Well, Robbie was twice his size, yet half as mature and intelligent. And Mabel kept blowing him off, and going back on her word. So, he wasn’t really left with much choice.
@Randomusername we get it youre illiterate
Nice declaration
I’m late but there’s that one scene in Despicable Me 2 where Gru sprays a girl with water and says ‘Oh I’m sorry I didn’t see you there’ *sprays her again* ‘Or there’. And that’s Dipper as a teenager through adulthood in my mind.
@@I_E_O_T_C More like Grunkle Stan.
I like that Dipper’s honesty extends to himself as well as those around him. It keeps him from just seeming like an unlikable know it all and more like an actually intelligent kid who can’t keep his mouth shut.
He is turning more into Grunkle Stan
This is just my opinion, but I think that, while superficially Dipper is like Ford and Mabel is like Stan, there’s a level where it’s the other way around.
Ford and Mabel are both kind of the “golden child”, Ford because of his brains and Mabel because of her ability to bond with people. They are also both quite trusting, with a tendency to see the best in people, but can also be a little selfish.
Dipper and Stan, on the other hand, see themselves (rightly or wrongly) as the less favoured sibling. They are both a bit more grounded and realistic, but also more cynical, and lack the self-worth and self-confidence of their siblings.
@@samueldixon9028 They're basically the foils to one another.
@@samueldixon9028 never thought of it like that
@@samueldixon9028 yeah, dipper and Stan perpetually see themselves as the “outsiders” the ones who can’t do anything right or put their people in danger. It’s really interesting to see how much more you can find in the characters as you age
This is why I love Dipper so much. Often he's never afraid to say whatever is on his mind.
We need more protagonists like Dipper. I prefer his personality over the usual kind, loyal and reckless™ that seem to be such a trend.
Very true, even tho I love the kind, loyal and reckless personality IMO, hell a combination of both Dipper’s personality and that would be fantastic
@@SomeCraftive-Art dunno if he 100% fits in those categories but Raz from the Psychonauts games might be a protagonist worth checking out
he's got some jokes, charm and sass but he's also pretty nice and might as well be giving free therapy sessions. and he's a 10 year old middle child. just a funny little guy. probably the most delightful main chara to play as and listen to
plus i feel like the Psychonauts games cater to GF fans, with their characters and universe, and watching them out of context can be An Experience
(there's also an old guy named Ford whose mind is a bit ehhh. yknow... mindfuck and all)
@@Ucabi oh ok I’ll check it out thanks for the recommendation!
@@SomeCraftive-Art No problem! honestly the gravity falls to psychonauts pipeline is hilarious and feels natural
you can check this out of context video that got the three games if you want, tis funny:
ua-cam.com/video/oBSmDT7_JAE/v-deo.html
(^no major spoilers in it)
you are right, but reckless people are also needed, otherwise there will be no harmony. Dipper and Mabel are so cool because they complement each other. If it weren't for Mabel, the series wouldn't be as interesting.
(My personal headcannon)
When Dipper responds to Bill saying "Admit it, you missed me" with "Hardly!", I think it's because he knows Bill is evil, but is still fascinated by him
That's one of the best head cannons I've heard
If it were me, I would say, "With every bullet so far" or "Yeah, like a painful ear infection"
Bill: Admit it, you missed me!
Me: Yeah. But my aim is getting better! 'Pulls out gun'
Kinda seems actually realistic
If Bill was real and he appeared in my house one day, I would ask him "How TF do you work?? Why do you wear a bowtie if you ain't got a proper neck? Is there a shape sorting toy where you fit in your dimension?"
"On the -12 dollar bill!"
"Wow...... this is worthless!"
"It's _LESS_ than worthless, my boy!"
This guy is brutal. Hence why he's my favourite character
Dipper being so done during the whole "Mabel's dream world" sequence was so funny because the audience felt the same way. LIKE COME ON MABEL THERES AN APOCALYPSE NOWS NOT THE TIME!!
She had no full knowledge about what was going on outside the prison.
1:15 is great XD
Hello random verified comment
IKR! I love the context behind it too. Dipper said that he would say that Pacifica is the worst to her face and he did just that.
You’re the worst.
*loud door closing noises*
I think I know you.
No, it's the worst. Dipper said so himself
"Nathaniel Northwest didn't find Gravity Falls, Your whole family's sham, Deal with it"
I never realized how savage Dipper was
That part of him is awesome
@@rickyuzumaki695 ikr
This is why Dipper is my favorite character
☺️
This show makes me sick
Alternative Title: Dipper being me for 5 minutes
Dipper is the “I’m too tired to argue so I’m gonna speak the truth and not say anything about that afterwards.” And honestly same.
4:56 originally Dipper was going to snap Dippy fresh’s neck 😂
Edit: wow! Thanks for all the likes and replies!
I wish that happened
Uhm woah
This can't be real!
@@deadeyed2454 I’m 98% it IS
Considering all of the dark and demented shit in Gravity Falls, I wouldn't at all be surprised to learn that this was true.
Dipper didn't invent the brutally honest thing, but he sure did master it.
I love Dipper, he's such a great character
And so is Mabel, she is a great character too.
@@adhamahmed97 true
@@Seika-Neo_S84 Yup
He is a good brother and she is a good sister. 😊
She is one of the main reasons why I love this show.
@@adhamahmed97 same. I love the lore as well, it's very interesting
@@Seika-Neo_S84 I love the moments where she calls him by nicknames like Dipping sauce, bro bro.
It explains how stronger their relationship than any other sibling relationship.
For less than a second at 3:53 in the video you can catch the moment when Pacifica’s heart broke for the very first time in her life, when Dipper says she’s “just another link in the world’s worst chain”.
Ouch, on many levels.
And before that, she was genuinely pleased Dipper came back to the party. 😔
Ooooo! Aaaah..... Yea, no ice in the world can soothe that burn. Dipper is based af.
you cut the best part right after dipper confronts pacifica in her car:
"Man, revenge is underrated."
it's still funny tho.
The deleted scene of Dipper snapping Dippy Fresh's neck should've been an honorable mention
What we love about each Gravity Falls character:
Mabel: her cute, quirky personality;
Wendy: her laid-back, big sister-ish demeanor;
Stan: his quirky, wisecracking, caring personality;
Soos: his friendly, funny, "big buddy" personality;
Bill: his absolute, total insanity;
Ford: his laid-back, "big mentor" personality;
Dipper: his clever, not-giving-up, resourceful, caring demeanor... but most of all, his "not gonna sugarcoat it", snarky, brutally honest attitude and razor-sharp tongue. It's just marvelous.
"Cant leave him hanging. (High five) Yes!"
"YOU'RE DEAD TO ME, SOOS."
I have a friend who is the physical living embodiment of dipper, maybe cause dipper shaped him who he wanted to be or the fact he's just like that lmao
Am I your friend lol?
@@nervous-wreck lmao is your name max?
@@ambrosemorningstar max is such a fitting name lol (compliment btw. max is a great name)
3:02 , Alex Knew Marvel was owned by Disney and Took Advantage of it
Dipper Pines gave me the courage to be a blunt and honest person with the confidence of a lion. I’d like to thank his character and tribute this comment to him 🛐
The "you're dead to me Soos" always gets me 😭
Same lmao
Poor Soos
3:37 i never understood the joke because in my language it was translated like "12 dollars bill", and now i know that it's negative
It's less than worthless, my boy.
why
Because it adds to how much you need to pay
“Pacifica’s rich Mabel she’s cheating at life” *ding* 🤷🏻♂️
“Wow, this is worthless.”
😂😂😂
4:08 I wish the part with Dipper asking “Why the does the Sun has Sunglasses?!” was on this video because it’s actually a really good honest question that for me when I was first watching made me realize it’s a hilarious thing lots of brands do! 🤣
Astronomically speaking, there are suns much bigger than ours and burn 100x as bright.
But questions, unless phrased in that certain tone, isn’t being honest or lying.
@@Spoonicks Ya 😆 I just thought it was a funny scene, especially because the Sun in our solar system doesn’t have eyes and or have sunglasses big enough to fit all around it plus if there’s suns brighter it would most likely not come in contact with the sun in this solar system!
Wait. Wasn’t that Huey from Ducktales?
@@EvangelineRulez Actually both Huey & Dipper have mentioned this same statement about the Sun having sunglasses. In Season 1 Episode 15 “The Deep End” of Gravity Falls Soos has a swim bag that has the Sun with Sunglasses when Dipper makes this comment, while in Ducktales Season 1 Episode 4 “The Impossible Summit of Mt. Neverest” Huey looks a at brochure with a similar Sun to where that statement is implied but yes now I’m wondering if this was a coincidence or not! 😲
I always thought that a sun with sunglasses was a joke
0:23 really thought he was gonna say “there’s no such thing as cocaine” 💀
I thought so aswell
Me too 💀
he did it, cocaine is no longer real
Same
cocaine does not exist anymore
0:39 I love how you counted the presenter as Dipper being brutally honest, since it's just thoughts projected through a fictional character in the mind of a fictional character in a fictional story
"I'm gonna tell her straight in the face!" "Your whole family story isn't real" (One sec. Before sigma Dipper kicks in) 🍷🗿
I need your help 😎
@@adhamahmed97 Who are you?
@@Imunderyourbed2 What kind of question is that?
@@adhamahmed97 idk
@@Imunderyourbed2 I expected you to say "you are the worst"
90% of these are just Dipper being sassy and sarcastic in an entertaining way and the other 10% hurt me on an emotional level every time I watch them.
I love this show.
Ok. I gotta ask: Which one's hurt you on an emotional level?