3D printing is great for prototypes or a few off's. 3D printing can produce stuff no other methods can - for that is is excellent. But 3D printed mass production of simple plastic parts just do not make sense: A product should be designed for manufacture when even part of the manufacture can be replaced by other methods. The base and logo's can be done with desktop injection moulding (www.many-maker.com) then print the serial number with a serial number marking machine. For the price of 1 ember machine you could have 4 DIM's and they each could produce 4 tags in 1 shot. Instead of using resin costing >10$ is useses pellets
+Many-Maker You're right that most simple designs can be mass produced more economically with injection moulding. But it wasn't a practical option for these tags. These NFC chips have some non-standard, delicate circuitry that would be destroyed by the heat from molten plastic. If these parts were injection moulded they would have to be made in 2 to 3 separate pieces that would have to be snapped or bonded together. A key aspect of this 3D printing process is that the NFC chip is embedded in a monolithic part. Yes, the serial numbers could be done with a marking machine. But what 3D printing excels is being able to change the logo on the front on the fly with zero additional tooling costs. Any changes in design would be very expensive in injection molding. Lastly, your reasoning makes perfect sense if the goal is to make millions of a single tag. But Origin is doing production runs of dozens to tens of thousands of a single design. The runs are relatively small, but their overhead is also much lower. Thanks for the reply! And good luck on your indiegogo campaign!
Hi, would you care to have Maker's Muse (Angus Deveson) do an independent review of Ember? It looks like a really cool product, well engineered, and open-source FTW. I am a big fan of Angus', and would love to see an Ember-review from him... ( ua-cam.com/users/TheMakersMuse ). Either him, or Thomas Sanladerer ( ua-cam.com/users/ThomasSanladerer ) .. or both :3
Angus just made his 25k subscriber video BTW - now I know that 25k doesn't sound a lot compared to the 3M of other youtubers, but believe me, his (and also Tom's) fan-following is serious!
Cool platform, but how do mechanical properties compare to injection molded parts? Looking good on the surface is great. Breaking down with UV exposure, having little to no compression, tensile or shear strength etc: not so great. Can I use this thing for anything other than a badge? Very eager for that day.
Nice, haven't found any indication of price. Not on any of the links provided. Much hype, no price = low trust. An estimate would help. Interest is dependent on availability, price is a very big factor.
Mass production are faster, cheaper & more consistent, this discontinued 3D printer are just not it. OMD is interesting but shown limited capability, also incremental or unique serial number is nothing new in mass production.
Not really sure what separates Ember from other opensource resin 3d printers.
Autodesk dicontinued it so that's something at least.
3D printing is great for prototypes or a few off's. 3D printing can produce stuff no other methods can - for that is is excellent.
But 3D printed mass production of simple plastic parts just do not make sense:
A product should be designed for manufacture when even part of the manufacture can be replaced by other methods.
The base and logo's can be done with desktop injection moulding (www.many-maker.com) then print the serial number with a serial number marking machine. For the price of 1 ember machine you could have 4 DIM's and they each could produce 4 tags in 1 shot. Instead of using resin costing >10$ is useses pellets
+Many-Maker You're right that most simple designs can be mass produced more economically with injection moulding. But it wasn't a practical option for these tags. These NFC chips have some non-standard, delicate circuitry that would be destroyed by the heat from molten plastic. If these parts were injection moulded they would have to be made in 2 to 3 separate pieces that would have to be snapped or bonded together. A key aspect of this 3D printing process is that the NFC chip is embedded in a monolithic part.
Yes, the serial numbers could be done with a marking machine. But what 3D printing excels is being able to change the logo on the front on the fly with zero additional tooling costs. Any changes in design would be very expensive in injection molding.
Lastly, your reasoning makes perfect sense if the goal is to make millions of a single tag. But Origin is doing production runs of dozens to tens of thousands of a single design. The runs are relatively small, but their overhead is also much lower.
Thanks for the reply! And good luck on your indiegogo campaign!
U forget to add cost of making mold and time also. Plus technology like carbon 3d and continuous dlp 3d printing is cheap.
does anyone else notice the ShengShou 8x8 in the background?
This is why you injection mold it in 2 parts and sandwich the chip. Like every single other manufacturer of NFC chips.
But you would need a different mold for every serial number which is not viable
@@JavierD You use laser engraving to put numbers.
@@artomatica So, you are adding other manufacturing process, other machine, other person/time for using the laser engraver
Hi, would you care to have Maker's Muse (Angus Deveson) do an independent review of Ember? It looks like a really cool product, well engineered, and open-source FTW. I am a big fan of Angus', and would love to see an Ember-review from him... ( ua-cam.com/users/TheMakersMuse ). Either him, or Thomas Sanladerer ( ua-cam.com/users/ThomasSanladerer ) .. or both :3
Hey! Yeah, I'm subscribed to both of those guys. That'd be great if they wanted to review ember.
Ehm, :)
Angus just made his 25k subscriber video BTW - now I know that 25k doesn't sound a lot compared to the 3M of other youtubers, but believe me, his (and also Tom's) fan-following is serious!
Cool platform, but how do mechanical properties compare to injection molded parts? Looking good on the surface is great. Breaking down with UV exposure, having little to no compression, tensile or shear strength etc: not so great. Can I use this thing for anything other than a badge? Very eager for that day.
What is ember ?
So you make 3 parts and join them together... how is that not possible to do with Injection molding?
I think it is, perhaps the moulds are more expensive?
@@ethanmerrill4999 0:16 listen again
What's the best resin you are using for production grade parts?
Is it possible to change the size of the build plate? nice height but that y axis...
Nice, haven't found any indication of price. Not on any of the links provided. Much hype, no price = low trust. An estimate would help. Interest is dependent on availability, price is a very big factor.
Amazing, colored resin printing
It's not colored, still one color per print, there is no color SLA printers in today's technology
Price
Broken link above!
Nice Rolex
Mass production are faster, cheaper & more consistent, this discontinued 3D printer are just not it. OMD is interesting but shown limited capability, also incremental or unique serial number is nothing new in mass production.