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Who makes the best amp in a box? | REVV G3 vs. Bogner vs. Friedman vs. Diezel | Comparison | Thomann
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- Опубліковано 9 кві 2019
- Ampmakers tend to go into pedalboard preamp land these days quite a bit so we thought we should just compare them and see who makes the best amp in a box? Our contestants are the REVV G3, the Bogner Überschall, the Friedman BE-OD, the Bogner Ecstasy Red and the Diezel VH4 pedals. There are three rounds: First, we just used them as drive pedals into the front of the amp, second they went straight into the poweramp and finally we built a pedalboard-friendly rig only adding a Mooer Radar IR loader to the equation. Let us know which one you liked best!
Gear in this video: tho.mn/eqln0
We use Triad-Orbit stands for our videos exclusively: tho.mn/triad
Interesting bits and pieces:
0:17 Introduction
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0:39 PART 1 Pedals as drives into the front of the amp
0:45 REVV G3 | Playing Humbucker
1:14 REVV G3 | Playing Singlecoils
1:27 Friedman BE-OD | Playing Humbucker
1:56 Friedman BE-OD | Playing Singlecoils
2:05 Bogner Ecstasy | Playing Singlecoils
2:38 Bogner Ecstasy | Playing Humbucker
3:17 Bogner Überschall | Playing Singlecoils
3:34 Bogner Überschall | Playing Humbucker
4:02 Diezel VH4 | Playing Humbucker
4:24 Diezel VH4 | Playing Singlecoils
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4:33 PART 2 Pedals as preamps into the FX Return of the amp
4:43 REVV G3 | Playing Singlecoils
4:58 REVV G3 | Playing Humbucker
5:17 Friedman BE-OD | Playing Singlecoils
5:33 Friedman BE-OD | Playing Humbucker
5:48 Bogner Ecstasy | Playing Humbucker
6:04 Bogner Ecstasy | Talking differences before and after preamp
6:24 Bogner Überschall | Playing Humbucker
7:07 Bogner Überschall | Playing Singlecoils
7:16 Diezel VH4 | Playing Singlecoils
7:47 Diezel VH4 | Playing Humbucker
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8:12 PART 3 Pedals as preamps into the Mooer Radar
8:35 REVV G3 | Playing Humbucker
8:47 REVV G3 | Playing Singlecoils
8:57 Friedman BE-OD | Playing Humbucker
9:20 Friedman BE-OD | Playing Singlecoils
9:36 Bogner Ecstasy | Playing Humbucker
9:51 Bogner Ecstasy | Playing Singlecoils
10:12 Bogner Überschall | Playing Singlecoils
10:26 Bogner Überschall | Playing Humbucker
10:39 Diezel VH4 | Playing Humbucker
10:50 Diezel VH4 | Playing Singlecoils
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11:02 Conclusion
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I'd take the Revv. Crisp and not muddy, mids not humming.
This video reassures my love for Bogner pedals specially the Ubershall. I have the blue, red, ubershall and burnley all in that order. 80% or the time I'm on the Ubershall , it always cuts through the mix in both rhythm and lead tones.
This video just made me like my BE-OD, the settings are unusual and perfect for my rig, Thanks a lot guys!!
What’s with the single coil hate in the comments? I love a high gain since coil tone, has a crunchy bite that I gmfind ultra sexy!
EXACTLY!!! Thank you for saying it too, as I thought the same exact thing. Who would demo high gain pedals/preamps with fvcking single coils when these 2 geniuses have to know that the VAST majority of players thinking of getting one of these pedals is gonna be using humbuckers. What in God's name were they thinking😂😂😂???
Informative and fun as usual. I liked the revv best. It seemed the most tight sound for heavy chugging at least to my ears 🤘
I was keen to check out the revered CH3 of the Diezel VH-4 (the left gain/master on the pedal, crunch rhythm to die for),
but you only played through the right side channel (Ch4, which is more compressed for lead playing)
The Revv sounded pretty awesome, I'd like to hear the G4 version beside it. Also the Bogners were dark horses if that's your kind of sound. Direct to the power amp ftw.
Maybe use a Jim Root tele next time, it's heavy af, perfect for these pedals.
Let’s get the highest gain pedals we can find and use a telecaster to test them 🤔??
Tele's can handle it all.
Yea. And…….. why not?
Where's the pr9b?
Stack all pedals and use an acoustic guitar.
Exactly, it's like what the fvck were these 2 idiots thinking😂😂😂
G3 in front for me! Maybe we will see a G4 in shootout part 2 with Kraken? ;)
The Revv G3 all day long. Possibly the best distortion pedal ever made, in my opinion. Especially for $229.00.
2021, what's your current favorite?
@@kahfigitar Boss orange distortion pedal.
Mr. Thomann always shooting the bulls eye. Awesome comparison!
Wow thanks a lot Edgar!!
//cheers, Kris
These all sound great! However, if you’re on a budget they can be expensive. Try the Joyo ACTone, American Sound, British Sound, etc. for pedals the give you a flavour of Vox, Fender, Marshall, etc., and they can be DI’d to PA in lieu of an amp. They cost approx. £33 each and extremely well put together.
Heck dang. Please all of them.
I'm thinking about getting the Revv G3 or G4. Thanks for confirming my thoughts with this video!
awesome .my choice will be vh4-2 as with mooer radar it sounded a bit better than others as thats going to be my set up..i do wish if u guys have included a 5150 od,aex preamp,ksr cerres n abasi's pathos od in a next video.loved the demostration n playing
Very clear and useful review. Thank you guys!
I have the VH4 2 channel pedal demo'd in this video. It sounds so much better running from the Power Amp out into the effects return of an amp or direct into an interface. It is super f'ing loud though barely have the master turned up past being completely off / silent.
Nate Batten same here... i use it through the fx loop of a marshall studio vintage and it is hell loud!!
Im plugging it in the fx return from the clean amp line and not the power amp line. Its less loud and sound better imo.
2:55 Good weed aye?
And yea. the Diezel is simply unbeatable
4:26 Children Of Bodom In a tele...that’s cool haha xd
I like how you both play famous riffs. Not only is that fun, but also helps to discern better the tones.
It’s fun playing famous riffs but nowadays it’s dangerous too. Big labels love blocking videos even for covering riffs. Still, because we don’t monetize our videos and don’t earn any money with them, we hope we are safe.
//cheers, Kris
Jonathan M agreed
love how dude starts playing John Mayer - Slow dancing in a burning room, with the friedman pedal lol
ISP Theta. Has the decimator noise gate two. I had the BE-OD. Sold it. I liked the Theta better.
Thank you very much for this huuuge demo ! However, I still can choose between the Friedman and the G3 😭 !!!
Easy choice with almost identical sound at every setting for both those pedals Joyo Dark Flame and Uzi! Incredible and You could probably scoop both for under 25, great support and I promise You will Love it! Unless You have $$$ for Boutique and need THE NAME, whatever, just saying. Also Guptech and DemonFx have the G2 thru 8 identical circuits
Wow, sounds so good going into the Mooer!
just wanted to say the Boss Metal zone detroys this pedal! I had my cousins over yesterday to watch the game, Canadiens beat Boston in overtime by the way, and I had just bought the revv a couple of weeks ago and had rebough the metal zone. I had one in the 80's. so I start with the revv got an ok distortion but found that I couldnt tweek it any better and that it did not satisfy me, just missing perfection you know? this is paired with the Boss equalizer by the way in a v shap. so then I decide to try the metal zone that I know is very heavy, so I start tweeking to him playing this very heavy riff non stop and found many different cruching sounds but at the end of maybe 5min I found heaven no words could really explain it except for perfection. and even had room. but this spot simply was IT! crushed the revv to bites. it's distortion at max and the two middle button facing each other top and bottom buttons. the first 2 at 9 oclock and the second two at 3 oclock. around there you will find pure eargasm. Its the same as in the 80's I remembered I had the first 2 at 8 and the second 2 at 4 oclock. very close depends who's playing and pick ups etc.. but still around the same thing. this is in front of the amp. this amp has no fx loop but I remember in does days I had a peavy that had an fxloop and it sounded great both ways. The revv will be put on sale. I also have the Sabbra Cadabra for the sabbath sound that I will keep for now. I just got the Swollen Pickle for fuzz that I will be trying out. In conclusion for good distortion and huge versitility I recommend the metal zone hands down :)
You are brave, while I still have a Metal Zone, they get a lot of flack for being nasal sounding but I like mine. Also, consider that they are comparing amp simulator pedals and not distortion.
Hi all!
In my experience, things get better with a clean boost (Xotic RC Booster, in my case), between the pedal and the poweramp... Whatever the pedal you plug into.
Several years ago (2014), after a lot of trials, my live rig, actually ended like this:
Guitar=>Wha=>Homemade OCD clone=>Bogner Blue=>RC Booster=>Power amp of a Marshall AFD 100 (TAD EL34s)=>Marshall 1960 with WGS speakers (2 ET65 x 2 Vet 30)
Clean with RC alone
Edge of breakup with the blue in plexi mode
Crunch with the OCD kicked in
Heavy crunch: Same as above but with the blue in blue mode.
Lead boost with the blue's boost kicked in
Small space on the floor, pretty convenient and easy to dial into.
Still haven't tried it with an IR loader, so I can't comment...
Generally, the Revv pedals all even come more to live and sound truely amazing when put directly into a power amp, not in front of a preamp!
The Friedman BE Overdrive is the other way round, it only sounds really good in front of a preamp.
That's the way these pedals are designed to, in my opinion.
Kris I am waiting on my Wampler Bravado 40w pedal platform to arrive, the high gain tone is the one pedal I am missing. I'm 100% a single coils tele guy and I was delighted to see you demo the Revv G3 with your custom shop tele, the g3 sounds epic in front of the amp and I didn't like it all in the loop as that tele top end magic was lost.
I have the Joyo Dark Flame and Uzi and the sounds are so identical (even playing with this video ;same settings they are literally clones of the G3 and Be Od. DemonFx makes great clones of these but a little sketchy to rip them off like that. Guptech also Uses Identical circuits for the G2 G3 G4 and the G5 is the Diezel Vh4 pedal called the Vej series. There is also Fuzz imp and Caline, Mooer does it too. They all do! I can’t afford to pay for a name these days with this technology. You can get amazing sounds from free amp sims like Fluffs or GE-Labs! Rad! Awesome Demo, where the Riot!?
No MXR EVH Overdrive?
Whenever I see Videos about these Amp in a box and Cab-Sims I ask myself why are they not able to put some examples for Cleansounds in the Videos...
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Missing the Victory preamp pedals, they are awesome. From this current list, meanwhile, Friedman and Bogner. Cheers and congrats for the video
What the fuck r u guys doing trying these high gain pedals on singel coils!
I have a Friedman be od deluxe and it sounds good into my Mesa Boogie stereo simul class poweramp and Randall power section,but i have to boost the pedal.i bought an uberschall and i hope i will get more gain and hope that i don't have to cranck up the treble and présence like the Friedman,great video guys,i was searching a video with the pedals in the poweramp section.What do you think... Friedman or uberschall in the poweramp and Randall power section?,cheers
i would like this one but no tube inside and no cab sim so i don't know about the Diezel pedal
Is that a Blues Junior being played??
Would this be like plugging it into the return on effects loop"..to do the preamp thing.
You should have tried the BE-OD deluxe which is a better pedal imo
Revv g3 so versatile
Empress Heavy would be good in this demo
Looking forward to clean preamps.
@@cptcosmic There are so many excellent preamp pedals, I'd like to see a comparison of the ones that do clean well.
@@BrazenNL Actually there are very few. Kingsley, Ethos, Blackbird and Two Notes are really the only pure clean ones that come to mind. I have 2 Kingsleys but you have to wait at least a year to get one built. More makers should get on board with making them.
@@Sir_Dickbag Victory can be done clean, too. Shame there's isn't more then. I hope to see the comparison. Kingsley (Maiden/Page) vs Ethos I've already compared personally.
E: You know, never mind, I think I've already made up my mind, just looking for that little push ...
Brazen NL Did you like the Kingsley more than the Ethos? I own two Kingsley Maidens - a Blackface version and the Dumble version.
@@Sir_Dickbag I liked the Ethos better than the Maiden D I tried. It was more open. Also, almost no noise and it facilitates a direct connection to FOH (last wouldn't be my main use but can be used if needed).
Which preamp pedal can get that chimey vox cleanish tone with no amp? Using a two notes CAbM
Very interesting and informative thank you 🙏 so very much I have the Friedman pedal I just run in in front of the preamp very rich
Well done - only missing Victory's Kraken. Of course you can't compare all preamps, so it's all fine.
You’re so right. I think that shouts for a sequel, doesn’t it?
//cheers, Kris
@@ThomannsGuitarsBasses Of course, give us more :-)
@@ThomannsGuitarsBasses btw why isnt it stock on the website ?
so is revv better on fx loop or in front of the amp
Hey! Which is the song at 1:45 ?
Eric Jamin bumping for this
at 9min. what is this song?
i have listened to it before and cannot remember the artist!?
hi guys can anyone tell me whats that tapping part hes playing at around 10:25? sounds so familiar but cant seem to call it.. dream theatre? nevermore? COB? megadeth? someone pls
I really enjoy your demos. All are great pedals. It all depends on personal taste and situation. Keep rocking.
Can anyone tell me how you hook up the pedal through the power amp and how you hook it up through a preamp. I'm not sure how that works. And do either of those methods differ from just running it right through the front of the amp. I'm new to these things and I'm looking for some cool.pedals to run though my boss katana artist mkii
Hey Brian, if your amp has an FX Loop simply plug the preamp / overdrive / distortion pedal in the FX Loop Return.
So the signal chain is: guitar - pedal input - pedal output - amp's FX Loop Return.
But be aware: if you do this, the amp's preamp will not be in the signal chain anymore (including all the clean and distorted sounds you normally get from it).
//cheers, Kris
The VH4 pedal is absolute fire!
Great review!
I've already thought of the Diezel as the most favourable of the bunch for my taste, but you, somewhat surprisingly, put the Uberschall on the table, too.
The Ecstasy Red is a very versatile pedal in both uses, and the Revv is a great pedal before the amp.
what the fuck does pre-amp mean?
Best demo of all of these pedals. The fact that the Überschall works so much better as a preamp than as a distortion is a crucial finding that explains all the crap sounding demos.
"The Pot", by Tool wasn't played in this video because it was smoked beforehand. Also, I didn't get why would anyone care about the sound of these pedals on a single coil pickup.
Artur Ruivo hey man! There are enough people playing both humbuckers and single coils so it makes sense to show everything these petals can do. Also there are tons of videos out there showing the pedals exclusively with humbuckers. I’m a tele guy and I also love high gain and I’m pretty sure I’m not alone with that.
//cheers, Kris
Fair enough. Though I think this one could be very helpful if you guys had a more "modern" guitar to show the complete range of these pedals. Surely there are a lot of other videos that showcase that type of sound, but not with the same quality you guys have. That could be of great use for people like me, who don't have an easy access to those pedals. Thanks for the reply, I still love watching the channel.
Artur Ruivo good point mate! A modern heavy axe makes a lot of sense. We used modern guitars in our metal head part 2 video. You see, we learn. Ha ha!
//Kris
Nice comparison, thanks!
Would someone mind helping me out with a questions, I just bought a used VH4 -2 channel pedal and when I hit a note and hold it until it ends, right near the end the distortion "fizzles" out right before the note ends. I noticed this on both channels and it's not like the gain was maxed on either channel. This was when the pedal was in front of the amp. When I tried it in the Return of the FX loop I didn't notice it but also I could hardly turn it up to distort cause it was so damn loud!! I have a Mojo Mojo and an original Ibanez OD-855 so I maxed the distortion on them, used the same volume level and the distorted notes rang through till they ended, nice and smooth with no "fizzling" out. Is there something wrong with my VH4 pedal or is that just a characteristic of a really high gain pedal? Sorry for the long post. Thanks!
Same here... i use it through the fx loop of a marshall studio vintage and it is hell loud!!
I seen ur comment on a another vid. I have the vh4 and tried to see what you're talking about with it fizzing out at the end and I could not replicate the fizzing...Although I bought mine new about a year ago.
Is there a noise gate built into your preamp? Might be the problem
Rob Legere hey man I appreciate the comment 1 Year later. I’m pretty sure there is no noise gate built in. I’ve come to believe it’s just the nature of high gain. Maybe fizzle wasn’t the best description, but it does sound like the sizzle of electricity which I love. Ha, that description probably isn’t any better but needless to say I love it and I have no concerns a year later. I do use it in front like ax distortion pedal, in the effects loop is crazy loud and of course since I posted this I have fiddled with the knobs countless times so who knows but it seems all good now.
Why no LPD Eighty 7 in there???
Blu Guitar Amp1?
Quilter 101 Reverb or Pro Block?
Ethos Amp?
Vox MV50?
Orange Micro Terror?
EHX Tortion?
I would have no reason to run any of these pedals they my amps power alp. I want to have versatility and use my effects, etc. So I have to use these pedals into the front of amp. Only way if ever use the power amp in is if I used a modeling rig.
George Lynch Guitar
Yes it is! Cheers mate! //Kris
I've owned all these and the diezel herbert pedal crushes them all! Hands down the best preamp distortion pedal on the market.
thanks guys.... Now i have to listen to Scenes from a Memory in its ENTIRETY :)
good ganja!
...........Why a tele for this pedals????!!!!!
Bogner stole the show. I was expecting to like the Diezel best
4 years later I like the Diezel lol
MXR 5150 EVH should be in this line up, and it should probably be the winner. Other than that, BE-OD rocks hard too.
Amp in a box = amp1 by thomas blug, the best ive tried by far
Ubersh... shi...t pedal?? A big NUH. Extasy is cool though. I liked most of all BeOd and VH4. But now i do like Revv and Red Extasy. Great vid!
too much gain and you get lose note definition live or recording. A lot of metal bands turn down their gain especially when doubling or live with tuned down guitars. Korn (whether you like them or not) have their gain at 9 O'Clock/3 using their Rectifiers. If you're just playing for the bedroom than yes that pedal is not for you. It's actually a clever design by Bogner.
A lot of mud in my ears on this video. Really would like some power chords and tweaking.
Look at how they EQ'd the BE-OD. lol.
what should I say... We both love mids and the BE-OD literally doesn't have any. What it has instead is tons of bass and treble. haha! So we made it work for us. I think it sounds pretty cool in the vid. :)
//cheers, Kris
Are you guy's stoned in this video ?? whats up with all the giggles ? WTF wahahaha
This did not help me in trying to not buy a Revv G3.
I think the title of the video is misleading since you're not using them as STANDALONE AMPS straight to the speaker cabinet, but mostly as PRE-AMP PEDALS.
can you actually do it?
g3 and bogner red excite me
Due to my persistent preference for purple the G3 is the one for me but...9:43 i’ll be up all night to get funky🤘🏽😄
😂 I knew it! I knew you were a hard core funk fan. Ha ha!
//cheers man, Kris
Barocsi funkadelic 🕺🏽
Revv g3 is the winner
You missed the RevivalDRIVE
what's the name of that strat?
Brand name is "LTD".
Dave.
My fave distortion is a Texas Harmonic hotmod 800 it is awesome . It is like a better sounding hot rodded JCM 800 . It is killer check it out . Look up Texas Harmonics hot mod 800 . It is very reasonable 2 yr. Warranty .179.00
Revv g3 haste best tone
The demon FX for $50 sound the same
I'm a little biased, but the BE-OD is still basically king of these, the G3 is close behind.
Bogner Uber really cool!!!
These aren't amps in a box, they're just overdrive pedals?🤨
More distortion than overdrive in this case but these pedals are voiced to sound like a particular amp (that's amp in a box pedals) and some of them can even do a preamp job.
Better off with the Freedman demon like $50 sounds the same
Are you guys smoking the weed......? Giggling and silliness lol
Friedman, all day
children of bodom on a telecaster.. nice... RIP Alexi
Children of bodom on a telecaster 💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻
Demon fx like $45
Why the FVCK would you two geniuses demo high gain pedals with goddamn single coils huh?!?!?! You 2 are really in touch with reality demoing these pedals that way when you have to know that the vast majority of folks who get one will be using humbuckers😂😂😂
Jesus Loves You
Bogner unberschsll with moer
Wow that Tele made the hairs on my arms stand up
Ok so now I've creeped you all out ........bye.....
Total nonsense to play Pantera's stuff with single coils!
Yea, a better option would be to not play that garbage at all.
It is super stupid idea to use a preamp pedal in a preamp...
Sound no difference to a Chinese $25 distortion
I see too many stupid fuckigb comments below. Certain style of music never dictates what to be used.
Uberschall sounds like shiza.
Why the f did you test these on single coils.
Vh4 wins hands down
Because we all already know how humbuckers sound through them, everyone else already did their chuggy chug chug demos. Most pedals and preamps sound great with humbuckers. Smoother, compressed. Single coils are noisy, trebly, dynamic in good and bad ways, and a great test for pedals or amps. If you can get great tones with single coils, then usually you already know what to expect with humbuckers.
To far apart guys.what ya doing
can you pick metal guitars for high-gain demos? these guitars made me click away....