i played btd5 flash game long time ago and skiped the paid version as a kid but now after not having anything to do in btd6 because of this series i bought the btd5 and trying to remember all the things
24:19 I apologize for the blunder, yes, i am playing a VERSION of the steam version but not directly from steam. And i was playing with some of my mods on.
I love how this guy is still making fresh BTD5 content several years after the release of BTD6. It's always nice to see more BTD5 content, this game was my childhood
So unfortunately, FastTrack doesn't work on Mastery Mode, but I'll definitely do a version where I use CheatEngine to test all the towers that failed because of a money issue
For the towers which cannot hit camo bloons, I know this may be scuffed, but use meerkat spies to allow them to hit camo. This will make the challenge a lot more interesting, and will make the results less predictable.
1:40 From my testing, it seems the Super Monkey Fanclub Ability converts the dart monkey that used it plus the last/newest 9 dart monkeys into Super Dart Monkeys and not the closest like in BTD6
Here's a few odd-topic reasons BTD5 is the game that runs how it does currently: -transformation abilities like SMFC will begin affecting the topmost monkeys before it gets towards the bottom. Even if you modify the affect range to be limited, it will still count the topmost towers inside said range. -The Bomb's Speciality building ability sadly only affects up to 10 Bomb Shooters, not infinite, which 1) is misleading info, and 2) has the same result with SMFC. -Stronger Sabo Bombs is a Battles-only thing, which would just stun more bloons for longer. -Aircraft Carrier is a downgrade for the reason that it loses its main dart attack affected by the Speciality building. -The Big One blasts can pop 5 layers, not the "written" 3 (supposed to say in the other Impoppable solo vid but I may have forgot to) -The engineer super sentry spawn weapon not increasing deploy rate as 2-0 must have been due to an old version of BTD5 where enginners deployed super sentries at similar rate to the regular ones. I haven't played the old versions but I have a hunch that happened and the reason why 2-0 doesnt increase super sentry deploy speed -The comment of Chipper targeting camo was refering to the Battles Chipper (0-1 Long Range Suck grants camo) -The "40%" popping power is actually "Double Pierce Chance" as described in the game's code. The first shot of any tower on the field will always have double pierce, then it will go down to a RNG based chance on wether or not a tower's attack will pop twice as many bloons. That sadly only affects piercing towers, as aoe towers are being shafted by this..
I've heard that the long range for bomb towers isn't even a good ability either because it leads to them missing more often. I really appreciate you sharing all this information, it's always cool learning new stuff about a game you really enjoy
ay, thanks david! and, yeah, Sabotage Supply Lines, as well as most ability upgrades in BTD5, do absolutely nothing to the base tower, Battles added a bunch of stuff but it never got ported back to BTD5. the only x/4s that actually affect the base tower in anything beyond a visual way are - Tech Terror, upgrades from Robo as follows: -- 0/4: attack cooldown 0.04 -> 0.012 (effectively 0.05 buffable -> 0.017 unbuffable, due to each "tick" in game being 1/60th of a non-fastforwarded second, no optimization to smooth things out), pierce 3 -> 5, projectile speed _nerfed_ 720 -> 500, projectile cutoff distance _nerfed_ 400 > 210. oh, and uh, arm firing positions shifted 7 units outward. -- 1/4: Laser Blasts upgrades Robo (+1 pierce, 5 total) but not Tech Terror (5 pierce). -- 2/4: +1 pierce to both Robo (5) and TT (6), -0.028571428 attack cooldown, so 0.0114 for Robo and 0 for TT (effectively 0.017 unbuffable for both) -- tldr: 2/4 gets +1 pierce and slower, less-travelling projectiles compared to 2/3. 0/4 and 1/4 are identical, with identical strength to 2/3 but its projectiles are slow and travel less far, and are fired from further to the side. - Summon Phoenix: firing position shifted up 5 units. Wow! - MIB Call to Arms: +25 passive buff range. (...the CTA ability only has the range of a 0/0 Village) - Banana Investments Advisory: literally not even an ability upgrade, description says it all) - Artillery Battery: total cooldown 1.61 -> 0.52, slightly more than 3x attack speed. - Bloon Area Denial System: triple projectiles, projectile speed _nerfed_ 1225 -> 875, projectile cutoff _nerfed_ 1250 -> 1000 (both well more than full screen travel, difference is unobservable), explosion range _nerfed_ 60 -> 50, MaxTargets (AoE "pierce", never buffable) _nerfed_ 40 -> 23. note: ability rockets have 1000 speed, but are otherwise identical to the base BADS rockets. - First Strike: dart firing positions shift 4 units outward and 2 units up, missile firing position shifts 11 units down. riveting.
I was able to beat round 47 and 48 with mortars at only intermediate lab upgrades, and got all the round 49 moabs down to just bloons, but lost. I'm sure it's possible to get at least slightly further with max lab. I used mostly 0-0 and 0-1 mortars. The attack speed offset can help stun bloons, especially if you buy an upgrade or tower mid-round.
7:08 A problem with your Ninja’s may be that you got 4-2 Bloonjitsu’s. A reason why I never get upgrades like Distraction, Wizard Tornado, Corrosive Glue, and upgrades like that is because they end up causing MASSIVE Regrow Farms from being pushed back on the track, or by being slowly chipped away at. 4-1 Bloonjistu’s may make a difference, but I’m not so sure, you may need a few Flash Bombs or Sabo’s just to be safe.
I don't think snipers would have finished anyways, but if your problem was ceramics, you should have tried 3-1, it has lower dps, but it compensates with that insane laywer skipping.
I'm pretty certain they can't really do much based on my previous testing on regular Impoppable. The bomb fires much more slowly than the fire ball from the destroyer
Dang mastery is hard as chimps mode. I actually go crazy with normal troops on it if one troop I will farm faster to be fair and boost them. If we had in BTD5 DDT this will heart but don’t worry they are just fast and camo ( I think) in mobile and steam like in Bloons monkey city. I did do a few videos and.
Perhaps the towers that cannot be afforded on round 1 can have the help of a dart monkey or two until they can be afforded, just to see how they can do in the later rounds
There definitely is a chance it could work and I should've tried that, I honestly didn't even realize I could've afforded it until I was voicing over the footage
I will try win with ninja express shipping or different map Edit: U could use with portable lake some bomb attack cuz it splashes Note: Weak against ceramics and MOAB class
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i played btd5 flash game long time ago and skiped the paid version as a kid but now after not having anything to do in btd6 because of this series i bought the btd5 and trying to remember all the things
I upload a lot of BTD5 content, so I hope that can help!
I went back to bloons td 5 after getting bored of black bordering on bloons td 6 and you videos are always fun to watch keep it up man💪
I'm so glad to hear that, and I really appreciate you!
24:19 I apologize for the blunder, yes, i am playing a VERSION of the steam version but not directly from steam. And i was playing with some of my mods on.
I gotcha bro and I appreciate you responding 🙏
I saw someone already said something about distraction but that upgrade probably made your regrow farm way worse
That's a great point I didn't really consider that while working on the challenge
Yeah it does when i got distraction on my ninja monkeys i accidently made a regrow farm and died
@@myvalekcz6656I have a strat with only ninja (4-2) and village (2-3)and I don't die at round 76 and 79 dartling is worse
Also early game with wizzard
I don't even have mastery mode unlocked lmao
Lol
Me neither lol
That was insane, cool to see all the monkeys that could do it
Even though it was only a few it is definitely cool to know!
Dart Monkey Mastery Impoppable is the real meta of BTD5
I love how this guy is still making fresh BTD5 content several years after the release of BTD6. It's always nice to see more BTD5 content, this game was my childhood
I really appreciate your comment! It's awesome that people still enjoy BTD5 content in 2024
Good video, but I would like to see you try the expensive towers on fastrack mode if possible.
So unfortunately, FastTrack doesn't work on Mastery Mode, but I'll definitely do a version where I use CheatEngine to test all the towers that failed because of a money issue
Lets go 🙏 Always love watching your vids
Thank you so much!
Seeing Submarine Stacking reminded me of the time I tried to do Solo Tower runs.
BTD5 was very silly in terms of tower balance.
And it still is lol
Another banger coming in 🔥🔥🔥
For the towers which cannot hit camo bloons, I know this may be scuffed, but use meerkat spies to allow them to hit camo. This will make the challenge a lot more interesting, and will make the results less predictable.
I could definitely do a follow up with towers that you can't afford on round 1 and towers that normally fail because of camo detection
Please do it makes these videos way more interesting @@Phenomix
If you do expensive towers with fast track, you can set the helicopters to pursuit
I definitely will try that eventually and you're right, that would make them more powerful than lock in place
1:40 From my testing, it seems the Super Monkey Fanclub Ability converts the dart monkey that used it plus the last/newest 9 dart monkeys into Super Dart Monkeys and not the closest like in BTD6
That makes sense, and honestly, upgraded 4,2's are probably more powerful than 2,3's
from what i recall, it's actually the uppermost dart monkeys, not the newest ones
You should make a video on how fast you can get all mastery modes from a brand new account😂 ofc I'm not saying all at the same time
That is a great idea!
Here's a few odd-topic reasons BTD5 is the game that runs how it does currently:
-transformation abilities like SMFC will begin affecting the topmost monkeys before it gets towards the bottom. Even if you modify the affect range to be limited, it will still count the topmost towers inside said range.
-The Bomb's Speciality building ability sadly only affects up to 10 Bomb Shooters, not infinite, which 1) is misleading info, and 2) has the same result with SMFC.
-Stronger Sabo Bombs is a Battles-only thing, which would just stun more bloons for longer.
-Aircraft Carrier is a downgrade for the reason that it loses its main dart attack affected by the Speciality building.
-The Big One blasts can pop 5 layers, not the "written" 3 (supposed to say in the other Impoppable solo vid but I may have forgot to)
-The engineer super sentry spawn weapon not increasing deploy rate as 2-0 must have been due to an old version of BTD5 where enginners deployed super sentries at similar rate to the regular ones. I haven't played the old versions but I have a hunch that happened and the reason why 2-0 doesnt increase super sentry deploy speed
-The comment of Chipper targeting camo was refering to the Battles Chipper (0-1 Long Range Suck grants camo)
-The "40%" popping power is actually "Double Pierce Chance" as described in the game's code. The first shot of any tower on the field will always have double pierce, then it will go down to a RNG based chance on wether or not a tower's attack will pop twice as many bloons. That sadly only affects piercing towers, as aoe towers are being shafted by this..
I've heard that the long range for bomb towers isn't even a good ability either because it leads to them missing more often. I really appreciate you sharing all this information, it's always cool learning new stuff about a game you really enjoy
ay, thanks david! and, yeah, Sabotage Supply Lines, as well as most ability upgrades in BTD5, do absolutely nothing to the base tower, Battles added a bunch of stuff but it never got ported back to BTD5. the only x/4s that actually affect the base tower in anything beyond a visual way are
- Tech Terror, upgrades from Robo as follows:
-- 0/4: attack cooldown 0.04 -> 0.012 (effectively 0.05 buffable -> 0.017 unbuffable, due to each "tick" in game being 1/60th of a non-fastforwarded second, no optimization to smooth things out), pierce 3 -> 5, projectile speed _nerfed_ 720 -> 500, projectile cutoff distance _nerfed_ 400 > 210. oh, and uh, arm firing positions shifted 7 units outward.
-- 1/4: Laser Blasts upgrades Robo (+1 pierce, 5 total) but not Tech Terror (5 pierce).
-- 2/4: +1 pierce to both Robo (5) and TT (6), -0.028571428 attack cooldown, so 0.0114 for Robo and 0 for TT (effectively 0.017 unbuffable for both)
-- tldr: 2/4 gets +1 pierce and slower, less-travelling projectiles compared to 2/3. 0/4 and 1/4 are identical, with identical strength to 2/3 but its projectiles are slow and travel less far, and are fired from further to the side.
- Summon Phoenix: firing position shifted up 5 units. Wow!
- MIB Call to Arms: +25 passive buff range. (...the CTA ability only has the range of a 0/0 Village)
- Banana Investments Advisory: literally not even an ability upgrade, description says it all)
- Artillery Battery: total cooldown 1.61 -> 0.52, slightly more than 3x attack speed.
- Bloon Area Denial System: triple projectiles, projectile speed _nerfed_ 1225 -> 875, projectile cutoff _nerfed_ 1250 -> 1000 (both well more than full screen travel, difference is unobservable), explosion range _nerfed_ 60 -> 50, MaxTargets (AoE "pierce", never buffable) _nerfed_ 40 -> 23. note: ability rockets have 1000 speed, but are otherwise identical to the base BADS rockets.
- First Strike: dart firing positions shift 4 units outward and 2 units up, missile firing position shifts 11 units down. riveting.
Round 82 is as far as I could get with only Spike Factories on Over-Throne Impoppable Mastery
Get the popcorn babe we got a new Phenomix video on our hands
i just so happened to watch the first part of this yesterday, didnt even realize this came out recently lol
That's really cool I appreciate you watching both parts!
You are the reason I installed this game c:
That's really awesome! How have you been enjoying it so far?
I was able to beat round 47 and 48 with mortars at only intermediate lab upgrades, and got all the round 49 moabs down to just bloons, but lost. I'm sure it's possible to get at least slightly further with max lab. I used mostly 0-0 and 0-1 mortars. The attack speed offset can help stun bloons, especially if you buy an upgrade or tower mid-round.
Yeah that definitely makes sense, the overall damage per second is better with lower tier mortars most likely
*slides 5 bananas across the table to an ace*
It’s alright buddy, we all knew you woulda made it, you don’t need to fly around and prove yourself
Rest in piece my membership :( (i love the space truckin music)
7:08 A problem with your Ninja’s may be that you got 4-2 Bloonjitsu’s. A reason why I never get upgrades like Distraction, Wizard Tornado, Corrosive Glue, and upgrades like that is because they end up causing MASSIVE Regrow Farms from being pushed back on the track, or by being slowly chipped away at. 4-1 Bloonjistu’s may make a difference, but I’m not so sure, you may need a few Flash Bombs or Sabo’s just to be safe.
I think you're right about the distraction upgrade so I'm definitely gonna test it again
@@Phenomixalso you never used the specialty ability. The shadow clone literally doubles the dps
@@godslayer139it does not. It only makes an unupgraded shadow that is basically useless
Best btd ytber in my opinion hands down
Thank you so much for leaving this comment, it really means a ton!
I don't think snipers would have finished anyways, but if your problem was ceramics, you should have tried 3-1, it has lower dps, but it compensates with that insane laywer skipping.
That's a great point for sure
youre goated preciate
I appreciate you as well!
I am so early!!!
13:20 Wouldn't bottom path work better? It has bombs, they are surely good at popping crowds.
I'm pretty certain they can't really do much based on my previous testing on regular Impoppable. The bomb fires much more slowly than the fire ball from the destroyer
I need to come back to BTD5
Dang mastery is hard as chimps mode.
I actually go crazy with normal troops on it if one troop I will farm faster to be fair and boost them.
If we had in BTD5 DDT this will heart but don’t worry they are just fast and camo ( I think) in mobile and steam like in Bloons monkey city.
I did do a few videos and.
Perhaps the towers that cannot be afforded on round 1 can have the help of a dart monkey or two until they can be afforded, just to see how they can do in the later rounds
I'm thinking I'll do a separate video testing them all with the exact amount of starting money they need
Awesome video.
Thank you!
@@Phenomix no problem I guess...
I beat Impoppable Mastery with only Ninjas
I put the Bloonjitsus in the back on Round 82
That's really interesting I wonder if having them back there made them more effective somehow
DART MONKEY SPAM RULES!!! 🔥🔥🔥
As always, the 2,3 dart monkey reigns surpreme
If it was me playing no towers could do this
(I'm bad at the game)
I somehow made it to Round 79 with only Mortars
I used a bunch of unupgraded Mortars and lost to the spaced ZOMGs
What was your strategy?
@@Phenomix 0-0 Mortar spam and Pop & Awe micro
Shouldn't spike storm work for the spike factory to beat round 49?
There definitely is a chance it could work and I should've tried that, I honestly didn't even realize I could've afforded it until I was voicing over the footage
Phenomix is falling on⬆️
Fr tho
dartling gunner is insanely powerful but he cost alot to place
dartilng gunner goes to S tier
It's definitely an S tier tower!
I have a question, why are you stacking burny stuff on mortars?
That's a good point I probably was wasting money by doing that.
I will try win with ninja express shipping or different map
Edit: U could use with portable lake some bomb attack cuz it splashes
Note: Weak against ceramics and MOAB class
Mastery mode vs BMC bloons on Volcano tile who wins?
What if you used 1-2 lead snipers and the rest being 0,0?
I can definitely try more alternatives to make sure I didn't miss anything
@@Phenomix I forget btw, is double cash enabled or disabled for this?
Do you use double cash?
Nah I wouldn't use that unless it was specified
Why are we still on btd5 again
That's kinda my whole channel haha
Just put the dart in the ammo dump lil bro
Hmm
Wheres 2 towers btd5
I could definitely try that for my next video
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