TMM spent the whole time saying (whining) that Lidia was weak, that you beat him with ff2, hopkicks and anti Kazuya fundamental gameplay. What is your take on Lidia and the character contribution in these games?
@@Nallenbot once she will be studied, she is not SUPER strong, but she has clear strengths. She also has a lot of weaknesses, so in the end the character feels pretty solid but balanced. We'll see on the long term
Nah tbh her frames are pretty bad, you can jab her out of every stance and the one option that might beat jab is pretty mid. I agree that she makes you scared when she goes into stance but there isn't really anything threatening that you can't block or jab her out of
@@cybersteel8 I ve seen many high Rank fights against Lydia and I ve barely if any, seen anyone jabbing her out of a stance after they blocked her moves that transition to a stance. I don't know. This looks like a significantly less risky, high rewarding execution compared to the likes of Jin's Zensushin. Even TheMainMan who is one of the top Kazuya players was almost helpless in this video. Almost all his options were eliminated
Hearing all these things about spamming FF2 and how she's boring and lame but.. It's safe on block and she gets a mixup. Its like her best move. As a Kazuya player i see this as an absolute big brain decision. (Also you can just sidestep)
It's almost like......she's a new addition or something lol Everyone was screaming about how eddy was for...what? A week before they found out how trash he is?
When I played her 2 days ago and played against another Lidia I learned that grappling works really good against her stance transition especially ff2 on block. Atleast that's what worked against me and the other player xD
She seems to be a rush down character with strong pressure that wants and needs to be in your face at all times, nasty at the wall but with no real poking or action at anywhere further than close range, her main tool to close the gap being ff2. Her forced stance transitions also (should) make her predictable enough to spot when to interrupt her, so at extremely high levels she would have to rely on fundamentals first like her jab. I think the best way to counter her is to keep her away with long mids, exploiting her transitions to cheap away at her and land big launches and counter hits when she gets careless.
Lidia just got released you can’t expect people to beat her that easily in the first 2 days of release. Give it time she will just be another mashing character to learn
i'm getting lidia when she releases on the 25 but i won't play her until i finish training my ling and Lily. By then i am sure she will have her nerfs and buffs that i know are coming.
@@Doublejho Thats a stupid argument considering a competent player probably wont use it on an opponent that late into the match. Additionally if the said competent player were to do it against an opponent with rage its also something you would be watching out for. But lets say our main character, the Lidia player, regrettably falls for the rage art. The opponent could pretty much only do it once until it gets predictable and guarantees death. You cant compare a baby stance like Heaven's Wrath to Heaven and Earth. On block Lidia gets a Polish power or whatever that install is Can get a 50/50 with an unseeable unblockable which deals a million damage, a normal hit launcher on anyone who tries to block it (which is a power crush and only -11 on block) Or a hard wall-stun mid with a lot of chip damage which leaves you at +6!!!! The rage art example is so one dimensional and situational. There is no downside to this as you could choose to not press anything (like you can in a non stance forcing heat smash) except now you get 3 super powered moves and an install charge. Theres a reason this stance costs half your heat bar and then getting it on block on your heat smash is extremely generous. Im not saying a rage art isnt good counterplay as a last resort, but it does not excuse how good this heat smash is on block.
@@縣 you do realise that an automatic stance transition stops her from blocking, right? maybe she won't be stuck in it like HWR but it can still backfire
@@Doublejho risk eating a hell sweep and losing 34-48 damage...or eating a WS2 which can lead up to at least 90. 1+2 which puts you on the ground again and here we go again. Or delayed hopkick...or ff2 which HE into another 50-50. Or DF1,2 which HE and puts you in yet another.....you get the point. Risking Getting hit by a mid from kazuya is far worse then getting HellSweeped. He is a walking 50-50 which is not even a true 50-50. More like 25-75 lmao. I am glad they buffed him, but sheeesh man. Especially that 1+4 in heat being almost as brain-dead as Yoshi's flash.
@@Doublejho correct. And players weigh their choices and blocking a mid and eating a low is less riskier than blocking low and eating a mid. But his HS keeps putting you in a hard knockdown, so you're constantly making that decision.
Mixture of the wall burst damage scaling and her not having any of her installs which increases her damage. She doesn't do nearly as much without the install.
Kazuya your lunch is ready 😂😂😂😂😂 they gotta give my boy either a hop or another quick cheap low man he’s always blocking no matter what while other people are mashing and going into stances it’s like what do you want me to do my god 😂😂😂😂😂
Why you crying about your dumb move, Reina has plenty of good moves but you want to be so extra carried, you don’t want to use your brain or having to be actual good at tekken. That character is still oppressive without that move.
Black Heart : Fighter in : _ Marvel Super Heroes _ Marvel vs Street Fighter _ Marvel vs Capcom 2 : New Age of Heroes Lidia is Polish. Prime Minister. "The Prime Minister Warrior " ! 😊
Este juego esta guapísimo pero no pago 30€ por la edición básica ni loco y menos aun 70€ o mas para tener el 100% del contenido, esta clase de juegos no se porque son estafas con patas siempre... En fin a ver si algún día baja cuando a no lo juegue nadie XD
She has a launcher where she does 91 dmg without resources, and the hopkick combo here was the T7 staple. Too early to tell. Combo videos will be out soon.
I get why they say she is weak..she requires skill, timing and commitment..you cant just button mash with her..she isnt brain dead like Reina…Lidia bout to save tekken8!!!
Weak lol yeah i wish my devil jins ff2 was +5 on block and went into stance mix up. It looks so easy to apply pressure with lidia. Also calling reina braindead when she has one of the highest skill ceilings in the game is crazy af lol.
That's the only way Kazuya scares people into ducking. If you don't do that, people rarely will duck, which means you'll never get anything with Kaz. He doesn't have a string game, good throws or good pokes, so that's what we gotta do.
I approve this gameplay
You are best with Lidia bro
I am Italian tho, can you please change thumbnail? @@tekken8replaystelly
@@blackheart59_ sorry for my mistake bro . Let me correct the flag thank you for telling
TMM spent the whole time saying (whining) that Lidia was weak, that you beat him with ff2, hopkicks and anti Kazuya fundamental gameplay. What is your take on Lidia and the character contribution in these games?
@@Nallenbot once she will be studied, she is not SUPER strong, but she has clear strengths. She also has a lot of weaknesses, so in the end the character feels pretty solid but balanced. We'll see on the long term
Born to mixup 😜
Forced to eat 50/50 😢
2:57 surely he wont do again ahh moment 😂
was that a Kazuya "Hack Tuah" at 0:33 ???
🤣🤣🤣🤣
Both Kazuya and Bryan have their own hawk tuah's lol
lmfao get some help
LMAO
He definitely spit on that thang
Her mix ups and frame traps are beyond crazy
Was thinking the same. Reminds me of Leo a bit
Very Leo
mixup, yes. frame traps, idk... too many auto stance transitions
Nah tbh her frames are pretty bad, you can jab her out of every stance and the one option that might beat jab is pretty mid. I agree that she makes you scared when she goes into stance but there isn't really anything threatening that you can't block or jab her out of
@@cybersteel8 I ve seen many high Rank fights against Lydia and I ve barely if any, seen anyone jabbing her out of a stance after they blocked her moves that transition to a stance. I don't know. This looks like a significantly less risky, high rewarding execution compared to the likes of Jin's Zensushin. Even TheMainMan who is one of the top Kazuya players was almost helpless in this video. Almost all his options were eliminated
Wanna hear kazuya say Hack Tuah? 0:33
15:40 that wakeup interrupt was so weird xd
a bug to fix im sure
Damn, that was quick af
it's called instant while rising, and it only happens when you're face down and head first. ua-cam.com/video/Sps3T2axNqw/v-deo.htmlsi=pBj_6g_O3JKtbhiu
reached a mile away
It's because Lidia was face down on oki. If you press up to stand, you can do either of your while standing kicks. Only from face down though.
Hearing all these things about spamming FF2 and how she's boring and lame but.. It's safe on block and she gets a mixup. Its like her best move. As a Kazuya player i see this as an absolute big brain decision. (Also you can just sidestep)
The last time I heard this argument was about victor
@@seenmess3228 K. argument still stands, just practice. Every character in Tekken is beatable.
It looks way too easy to use and not very fun to watch either
@@bilbot-baggins6965 Makes sense, goal is to win the match not win pretty.
my way to counter this is just 1 jab when they do it on me if i block it to disorient their momentum and it works that is her weakness
TMM getting schmixed after saying this character is bad lol
Either its gonna be a while to get used to a gameplan to easily beat her
Or she is pretty strong because of funny ff2 into crazy mix shenanigans
Once people know her bs she'll get blitzed
It's almost like......she's a new addition or something lol
Everyone was screaming about how eddy was for...what? A week before they found out how trash he is?
He never said anything close to the truth in all his videos, I really don't get why people watch him😂
tis cause ur statement is wrong
This is the match up I've been waiting for 🔥🔥
Bro got knowledge checked
Lidia is fantastic
0:50 ULTRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA COMBOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Tekken 7 Lidia seems a bit stronger to me 😅
True Tekken 7 Lidia
Is stronger in the neutral game
That hopkick gon be trooouble!
Been trouble smdh
Them boys fighting like it's Evo ! I love it
T7 ptsd coming back
When I played her 2 days ago and played against another Lidia I learned that grappling works really good against her stance transition especially ff2 on block. Atleast that's what worked against me and the other player xD
That first perfect was like a shoulder check.
Respect to blackheart for cooking a player like main man he's the real deal
Thanks!
Seems even Mainman needs some time to adapt to a new character. But of course she's not half as confusing as Eddy was.
She seems to be a rush down character with strong pressure that wants and needs to be in your face at all times, nasty at the wall but with no real poking or action at anywhere further than close range, her main tool to close the gap being ff2. Her forced stance transitions also (should) make her predictable enough to spot when to interrupt her, so at extremely high levels she would have to rely on fundamentals first like her jab. I think the best way to counter her is to keep her away with long mids, exploiting her transitions to cheap away at her and land big launches and counter hits when she gets careless.
Harada what are we doing man.
Lidia just got released you can’t expect people to beat her that easily in the first 2 days of release. Give it time she will just be another mashing character to learn
armor on his F+2 or F1+2 counter punch woulda won SWE so many rounds
i'm getting lidia when she releases on the 25 but i won't play her until i finish training my ling and Lily. By then i am sure she will have her nerfs and buffs that i know are coming.
Her heat smash is S tier, heaven and earth after block seems so strong
nah, as a reina main having a forced stance after heat smash actually backfires really hard, they can p much just rage art every time
@@Doublejho have you seen Lidia's options in stance
@@縣 yes, unless she has a secret butterfly edge they're not going to save her from getting rage arted when trying to use it on-block for pressure
@@Doublejho
Thats a stupid argument considering a competent player probably wont use it on an opponent that late into the match. Additionally if the said competent player were to do it against an opponent with rage its also something you would be watching out for.
But lets say our main character, the Lidia player, regrettably falls for the rage art. The opponent could pretty much only do it once until it gets predictable and guarantees death.
You cant compare a baby stance like Heaven's Wrath to Heaven and Earth.
On block Lidia gets a Polish power or whatever that install is
Can get a 50/50 with an unseeable unblockable which deals a million damage, a normal hit launcher on anyone who tries to block it (which is a power crush and only -11 on block)
Or a hard wall-stun mid with a lot of chip damage which leaves you at +6!!!!
The rage art example is so one dimensional and situational. There is no downside to this as you could choose to not press anything (like you can in a non stance forcing heat smash) except now you get 3 super powered moves and an install charge. Theres a reason this stance costs half your heat bar and then getting it on block on your heat smash is extremely generous.
Im not saying a rage art isnt good counterplay as a last resort, but it does not excuse how good this heat smash is on block.
@@縣 you do realise that an automatic stance transition stops her from blocking, right? maybe she won't be stuck in it like HWR but it can still backfire
2:58 Kazuya player using 100% of their brain power (2 Cells total) and winning the game lmao
and yet if lidia blocked one they'd have won the game off of it, can't say there isn't risk involved
@@Doublejho risk eating a hell sweep and losing 34-48 damage...or eating a WS2 which can lead up to at least 90. 1+2 which puts you on the ground again and here we go again. Or delayed hopkick...or ff2 which HE into another 50-50. Or DF1,2 which HE and puts you in yet another.....you get the point. Risking Getting hit by a mid from kazuya is far worse then getting HellSweeped. He is a walking 50-50 which is not even a true 50-50. More like 25-75 lmao. I am glad they buffed him, but sheeesh man. Especially that 1+4 in heat being almost as brain-dead as Yoshi's flash.
@@CelestialReaper all i'm saying is, both options are very punishable on read and it was clutch that none of them got blocked
@@Doublejho correct. And players weigh their choices and blocking a mid and eating a low is less riskier than blocking low and eating a mid. But his HS keeps putting you in a hard knockdown, so you're constantly making that decision.
0:10 what is that move? is this FF 2? she makes a different sound and has blue sparks, how do you do that
Probably just frame ff2
It’s FFF3 instead of FF2
It is indeed some kind of frame FF2, I pulled it off twice after writing this comment but no idea how
@@MerrStudio happens when you do fff2 instead of just ff2 i believe
It's similar to how drags running 2 works. If you do it really fast it will blue spark
Played ranked last night and it was literally 90% Lidias all spamming that demo man like string.
The launch punishable one?
Thank god ranks are already adjusted, I don't wanna meet Tekken God Lidia on mid-ranks
In Tekken7 a lot of y’all forget or didn’t know Lidia and Fauk were made for tekken 8 in that game. Kazuya is in T7 now smdh
As a kazuya player I feel the frustration
She’s going to be a problem until the next update, her 50/50 & mix ups are crazy
Im hoping for josie to be back. I really liked the sway stance on her
she has good backdash.. above average.
2:57 was my favorite part of this entire set
Fr 😂
This Blackheart is awesome considering that he's on Raijin yet Mainman couldn't really do anything against him lol!
He has 31 characters on GoD rank...
fake Raijin, i got GoD today with the character ^^
6:30 im shocked that did so little dmg. all the work and it doesnt kill...
Mixture of the wall burst damage scaling and her not having any of her installs which increases her damage. She doesn't do nearly as much without the install.
Kazuya your lunch is ready 😂😂😂😂😂 they gotta give my boy either a hop or another quick cheap low man he’s always blocking no matter what while other people are mashing and going into stances it’s like what do you want me to do my god 😂😂😂😂😂
he already has good moves, he's in a fine spot
Who after tmm launch a 20min video talking bs about Lidia?
I like how devs nerf Reina's raiden so that Lidia can get her own one move spam what a cash grab of a character
Bro Raiden is ten times better than her ff2
To be fair we wouldn’t have Reina without Lidia as a foundation.
Lidia quite literally came first. Reina is just a modified Lidia.
Raiden came second and Raiden is still way better
Why you crying about your dumb move, Reina has plenty of good moves but you want to be so extra carried, you don’t want to use your brain or having to be actual good at tekken. That character is still oppressive without that move.
thx for combo video
Black Heart :
Fighter in :
_ Marvel Super Heroes
_ Marvel vs Street Fighter
_ Marvel vs Capcom 2 : New Age of Heroes
Lidia is Polish.
Prime Minister.
"The Prime Minister Warrior " ! 😊
Este juego esta guapísimo pero no pago 30€ por la edición básica ni loco y menos aun 70€ o mas para tener el 100% del contenido, esta clase de juegos no se porque son estafas con patas siempre... En fin a ver si algún día baja cuando a no lo juegue nadie XD
Lidia is so cool lol
Spammeroni Pizza
Pineapple
Mainmen doesn't know the match up. Lydia looks a little unpredictable sometimes
Man, these two do not like blocking low...
Looks like miss "boring" just clowned on you mainman
boy MainMan got schooled
No one going to mention the typo in the title card?
"Main Ma*i*nSWE"?
Hes still full of it.
The latency is palpable.
Yo haider bhau
OMG Lidia!
11:00
I’m noticing she doesn’t take much damage with her combos
She has a launcher where she does 91 dmg without resources, and the hopkick combo here was the T7 staple.
Too early to tell. Combo videos will be out soon.
Absolutely rekt. Let his fans tell it he could win Evo😂
6:32-6:41what the actual f-... why did she do like at least 10 moves here and they all did only like 20 damage in total? Lmao
scaled down after both wall bounce and heat dash
2:57 I can see trottolino
Masku
Oh god another character about pressing ff2 into guess every 3 secs. Who enjoys that
Yeah this character is a hard pass for me,boring and bland
Me
You really enjoy this boring version of reina?@@amarribrown2799
Cry more
@@dujekrneta7154someone couldn’t afford it
Black heart- lidia is pretty good. Mainman-lidia is terrible. lol gameplay speaks volumes.
After playing her more, she seems mid
7:54 ???
I get why they say she is weak..she requires skill, timing and commitment..you cant just button mash with her..she isnt brain dead like Reina…Lidia bout to save tekken8!!!
Weak lol yeah i wish my devil jins ff2 was +5 on block and went into stance mix up. It looks so easy to apply pressure with lidia. Also calling reina braindead when she has one of the highest skill ceilings in the game is crazy af lol.
She’s brain dead. EZ as fuck precanned mixups. Sorry to pop your bubble.
she is basically a faster short range leo
braindead like reina, yeah ok lol
"Lidia is B tier" - TMM
Whats the point on playing reina now that Lidia is out? She is similar but stronger and easier
nah reina will probably be stronger, and apparently lidia feels kinda clunky
at 12:06 WTF IS THIS SH*T? EMAIL HARADA NOW!
MainManSwe here! I'm going rant for 25 minutes downplaying Kazuya and why Lidia is a war crime and why Tekken 8 is garbage this week.
Let's go mainmain!
Xd no fck him
Just mash bruh. It's Tekken.
dey tho
Lidia is a problem lol
TMM... certainly a talented technical player, but just doesn't understand how to properly apply frame data.
Wat are u on bout😂😂
@@nx_s calling him a technical player then saying he doesn’t know how to apply frame data in one sentence is so odd LOL
Lidia is for random noob players
He got tekken of destruction with all characters
6:32 goddamn they really need to buff her damage by AT LEAST 30%, this shit is inexcusable, a wall to wall combo that did what, 50 damage?
Instantly burns heat dash into jab, it's normal damage in this regard
Yea shes another spam ff2 cheap character
Without Lidia, Reina is not there LMAOO
@@MrNoorIskandar yea both are cheap trash cans imo, Reina replacing Heihachi? Nah glad he's coming back
Ff2,ff2,ff3,ff2,ff2,ff2…omg what a stupid and boaring gameplay
Kudos to anyone who would buy or play this boring character
leave the boars out of this you monster
Braindead easy mode character.
Right… cos Mishima 1,1,2 and hell sweep are more interesting 😂😂
And what about spamming of hellsweeps and 1, 1, 2 Stfu and stop complaining
Not fun... yawn
She makes very nasty noises.... worse then steve
Can't be any worse than the anime crys of Xiaoyu
@@LouSassol69er Jun sounds like she's having orgasms lmao.
The worst are Alisa and Jun
Tmm only wins when he spams hell sweeps
If he spamming it it should be predictable right?
how does this even make sense?😂😂😂😂😂😂
That's the only way Kazuya scares people into ducking.
If you don't do that, people rarely will duck, which means you'll never get anything with Kaz.
He doesn't have a string game, good throws or good pokes, so that's what we gotta do.
Low rank tmm hater spotted
@@princekanbatsu2301 Facts.
subman T.T
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