An Election Post-Mortem With Tim Miller
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- Опубліковано 24 лис 2024
- What exactly happened to the Kamala Harris campaign in this year’s presidential election? Host Jerusalem Demsas and Tim Miller (podcast.thebul...) , a former Republican strategist and the host of The Bulwark Podcast, tick through the competing narratives about why the Democrats lost and which ones actually hold up.
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Biden did speak of being a "bridge" president. That means one term. The young voters who showed up in 2020 didn't in 2024.
How dare you remember the words that came out of his own mouth
Haha
they were too busy voting for trump
It’s a Big Tent party that lacks the unity of the Republican..but for those who voted for candidates other than Harris..or chose not to vote at all will most certainly regret it sooner than later
@@jewlzbulls trump got the same number of votes in 2020 and 2024. 74 million? The only difference is millions of Dems didn't show in 2024. Or their votes were suppressed.
Honestly I’m done with news, however Tim Miller is another story. Love him so much❤️
Tim Miller should no longer have a career. What?
Serious question, how many chromosomes do you have?
@@droptableaccount1820why?
He sucks. He goes on every liberal podcast and wears pearls. He’s so out of touch.
Live by identity politics, die by identity politics.
Republicans were the party campaigning on identity politics.
The abortion measures hurt Dems because women could tell themselves they would fix it in their state + didn't need to vote top of ticket to protect abortion rights. Trump did a great job of mudding the water
which sucks that they weren't thinking about the millions of women in deep red states who will NEVER have those same rights. Freedoms for me, but not for thee!
well is is going to be a *federal* ban now.....
Shakes head no. This was a grocery bill election. Period. DEMs caused 9% inflation with a reckless stimulus bill giving Americans trillions to buy the world and hacking g up prices. Bread is double. Eggs is double. Don’t even try to buy a steak. Or go out to eat. You see this in your face so many times a week when you go to the grocery store. And of course Biden flooded US with 10 million illegals. Smh.
Even if Trump doesn't sign an official ban, allowing the Comstock Act to be enforced will act as a de facto ban.
They might do but if your state is red and abortion is health care. the red states will be get round it. it is a complete shit show for many women now.
The ads I received in AZ were mostly asking for money. You Tube gave me almost none of the good ads I saw on Lincoln Project or that Tim reviewed. Most of the UA-cam ads pushed to me were requests for money. 🤦♀️ Why? That needs to be looked at.
Same in Utah. Ads from both sides were, give me money. No policy or differentiating. Give me money so I can ask for more money. Hmm
The ironic part was that it was common knowledge they had pulled in a billion dollars, yet they kept asking like they were hurting for money. Last thing I need are multi-millionaires asking for my money
Today is the day, not tomorrow, not the next day....
@@markroberts8051 Because her campaign overspent and ended up 20 million dollars in debt...
All of the political ads I saw were begging for money. I blocked every one of the MAGA ads as soon as they popped up. At least the democrat ads were not full of lies like Ted Cruz's ads. I really can't understand why so many people believe the straight up lies he peddled.
Jon Stewart/Tim Miller 2028. Because the election is a popularity contest, and we need candidates who call out BS immediately and effectively with humor when possible.
You might want somebody with bipartisan appeal, Tim Miller is extremely hateable to anybody with any conservative sensibilities
@@JM-ic9yx Being extremely hateable doesn’t appear to be a disqualifier.
Hell no
As a former communications guy, you should be much more focused on those people who are saying the asymmetrical nature of the media infrastructure is handicapping Dems so much they can't win. How can this not be one of your primary foci? Listen to Keith Olbermann yesterday.
No that guy has the mental faculties of a child
For real. The social media (especially tiktok, twitter and joe f*cking rogan) have poisoned the public debate by dismissing liability for propagating ouotright lies and idiotic propaganda. It doesn't help that fox news help legitimize the quackery.
The US are particularly vulnerable to this and have a huge societal problem in their hands. I don't see this fixed before generational change and without a deep educational reform
Cass
Thank you
Democrats have won several times regardless of all of the propaganda coming out of the Fox propaganda machine.
On the other side we have??
MSNBC... Half of their hosts are pretty conservative.
The left media is about 5% of the whole pie
Has anyone ever heard of the fairness doctrine?
If our media doesn't start to reflect what is actually happening, the outcome is going to be something like Sarajevo.
At some point people will just get fed up and start burning things down.
Yes I totally agree. The moderate and left wing have no voice to speak of in main stream media. And serious journalism has taken a huge hit with the advent and increase of influencers who may be no more informed than any conspiracy theorist nut case.
What idiots listen to Keith anymore?
IF the general mood of the country is nearly 80% wrong direction, NOT to come up with a couple of changes you would make just seems like political malpractice
Trump didn't get 80%
"We've got a former staffer from Kamala Harris' disastrous 2020 run to interview a campaign manager from Jeb Bush's disastrous 2020 run." Do the people who watch this show realize the people their listening to are quite literally the most out of touch people in the world?
The people in the world are one step away from eating rocks for breakfast, but have the righteous indignation of a misunderstood genius. The fact that they consciously crave a big, strong father-figure and subconsciously crave a would-be dictator is not shocking considering they desperately need a caretaker.
Maybe they learned something from their past experiences that help them understand the present conditions better
Tim hosted Jerusalem on the Bulwark's the Next Level podcast maybe last year.... really good conversation about the housing crisis, for anyone who'd like a more feelgood topic.
Latino here. My entire family really cared about the economy and the border. They not exactly pro weed either. These are Catholics. Masculinity is celebrated and applauded. Not shame. So there is a lot of issue with the democratic message. Also Venezuelan and Argentina’s are running away from socialist, progressive governments. Those type of words really scare them. It doesn’t matter how you make it sound they already lived it. These family members were Obama Clinton Biden voters that got further and further turned off by the democrats
No one in the Democratic party shames men being masculine. The Democrats feel that that someones expression of maleness should not be a political issue.
I am curious why you think that.
Venezuela's government is in no way similar to the US government under Democrats or anyone else. Again I am quite curious why you think anything about Venezuela's economic system would have any similarities to the US system?
Interesting that your family voted for the other Democrats and not Harris. None of the policies under Harris would have changed.
What was it about this campaign that changed your mind?
I understand why they lost faith in the Democratic Party..and they’re to blame for this loss imo
That being said ..I’m not sure i can put a finer point on this but they will regret their vote sooner than later..as will all working class Americans..good luck
Enjoy your win!
@@mikeoveli1028curious you even have to ask
You can’t be a bridge president if you bridge 8 years and the maximum allowed is 8 years
Demanding people vote for a candidate who wasn't even on a single primary ballot in order to "save democracy" was not a winning strategy.
His point that voters thought "yeah, republicans are anti-abortion, but Trump isn't" is spot on. He managed to overcome his party's "brand". Biden did the same in 2020 with voters "yeah, the Democrats are woke, but Joe Biden isn't"
My take...Trump is a bully. Like a bully in the classroom, some kids line up and get strength supporting a bull, some take on the bully, some cower and make themselves small so as to survive a bully. All are distracted and off task because of the bully. A bully and his minions have the media and power. As a teacher, I had to take on and control the bully in my classroom in order to provide a safe space to learn. I could handle the bully, and then all could learn, relax, and focus. A teacher is an adult and can take on a child bully. We need a strong leader(s) to break the hold of our bully. It takes restoring the mental health of the population, shutting off the bully's access to intimidation. The teacher in me sees America as an upset classroom with a bully in charge. We need a strong unifying leader(s) to settle us down.
Could media preempt the next elections with some CPTSD pods, UA-cam shorts, IG etc bits relating to and targeting all groups (males, females, religiouscultural,and minority groups) with mental health tips etc that talks to each group specifically and "hears" them for the foreseeable future. Not ads exactly. Then, we could run a candidate that can speak to the fact that we have all felt marginalized and bullied. We all carry that trauma. Trump has campaigned for years straight. We need to quietly "campaign" all thr time.
The "teacher" in your story is usually The ? Party! Todays GOP has abdicated its own power to Trump, which has made GOP organisation redundant and impotent. It's turned into an organisation justifying and supporting any Trump statements, without ANY policy development competence. GOP as a political party is gone as an organistion and should be disbanded!
DNC has become an academic fantasy league which mostly discusses intra-group interests, with marginal interests in denying GOP statements. The DNC should go out and speak WITH people, and change their policy development to support Poor People and through them improve America. The language must be relateable to poor people.
The bully is now a king, that's the real problem.
Welp have fun figuring out your new theory come 2028…. There will be no Trump but I feel like you guys will be doubling down on your mistakes and going even harder in the identity politics while ignoring the economic issues
Bread is more than double price. Eggs are double. Don’t even try to buy a steak. DEMs caused massive inflation. And let in 10 million illegals. This is why DEMs lost. Period.
Corporate landlords in large cities are changing the reality for working people.
The fact that abortion rights passed and still voted against dems demonstrates how unpopular the Democratic Brand is
why is the atlantic asking a jeb bush strategist how to win? lmfao
Yep. Now i know why you are known as the deplorable. Maga just always gotta be hating on someone.
Because they refuse to platform MAGA firebrands who may win the argument
Your argument that states without any campaign ads swung 6% to Trump, whereas battleground states with ads "only" swung 3% to Trump shows that without any propaganda from either side, voters were more likely to reject Democrats.
Very good and thanks to you both! I agree entirely with Tim’s opinion that we may be at the end of the American exceptionalism era from a political/philosophical perspective and am happy about that. I’m pretty sure that is the sentiment that Obama was expressing. America is, for many reasons, the economic and military powerhouse of the world. Let’s accept that with humility and exercise it accordingly.
One of the most significant measures taken in the 2024 polling was 'is the country headed in the right direction?' It might be interesting to dig into the top 5-10 issues/policies given/cited for why voters reported disagreement with that assertion. Take this pod's title seriously.
Tim Miller is the same cat lady who thought Liz Cheney campaigning with Harris was going to win the election, for sure.
So you know a lot about Tim Miller?
@@trishagg he's a whiny soy, pretending to be a anti trump "conservative"...lecturing and insulting the American public on his podcast failing to understand what happened and why. very smug
@@timburr4453 You are a treat.
Defund The Police, Bulwark, Lincoln Project.. should all see SUNSET on the horizons. I don't doubt he is panicking and speaking to every platform to save his grift. Their takes were objectively wrong. They had zero pulse on the electorates.
@@nourishday6247 interesting that you listen and comment
I disagree about the liberal media. We don’t have enough outlets to make our voices heard.
"all those other demographics" that is exactly why they lost
I'd suggest adding "Good On Paper" to the title of this video.
If you want to break down what happened, avoid introspection, extend your conversation beyond the anti-Trump boundary.
Pretty sure you meant postmortem, not moratorium...
That's a pretty big flub. I suspect they'll change the title.
Oh.. it's fixed now
Harris was 4 points ahead in the polls until she said on The View that she couldn't think of anything she'd have done differently and then pivoted to the Right. Harris should have focused on appealing to the base, instead of trying to win voters from the Right. Harris didn't need to reject Biden policies, just highlight a few clear differences.
She was never ahead in the polls. They are designed to deceive people into donating. Keep the billionaires writing checks. The DNC, even knowing Harris had no chance, needed all that money to promote down ballot campaigns. They spent 68 million trying to beat Ted Cruz. The only thing they managed to do was keep the republicans from getting a super majority in the senate. In two years they’ll get it anyway.
@@jamescampbell9533Correct. Polls have underestimated Trump by at least three points in all three elections.
What base? The AOC lunatic crowd?
All she did was appeal to her base.
@@donaldbulloch9426 Harris was campaigning with Liz Cheney and touting endorsements from Dick Cheney, CEOs, and a long list of Republicans. No, Harris didn't appeal to the Left for the last month of her campaign.
Heres a tissue😂 for your loss : shock anger bargaining depression acceptance
Split ticket doesn't support the argument unless you're argument is that the down ticket gained real votes or share of votes from 2020
I thought this podcast would have talked about the split tickets. There's a lot of people who would rather believe Russia and Musk hacked the election rather than contemplate the double think there.
A.G.
Great intro...be careful of certainty
I will be reading your article about Kamala Harris because I thought she was grt in the Senate (questioning Kavanaugh during his confirmation hearings). However, her selection as VP to run with Biden I didn't like. Her campaign for President, run by her sister was my problem, coupled with the fact, I believed that anyone, especially a woman in the position she was going into if she agreed to be Biden's VP I found very alarming for her, a politician I had/have great respect for, and because my gut told me that person -- now her -- would likely be ground up. And, when all the dust clears, that's exactly what has happened to Harris. Very sad loss to the Senate, my home state, and the country.
First, some attorneys are trial attorneys. She is great with young people, especially encouraging and supporting young 20 somethings. But she is a judge-type. She's very charming, she can be very entertaining, but not when serious matters are on the table. She's serious, a consequential person, and under attack she can't naturally do what Buttigieg did on Jimmy Falon to take Trump down for calling him, Mayor Pete, Alfred E. Newman. And, that needed to be a major hammer in the tool kit for any Democrat through this era. Shapiro has his height and good looks, and Big Gretch is a beautiful hammer.
Biden grabbed Harris, I believe in his grief over Beau's death -- they shared that loss and are similarly sensitive especially in this current environment. Don't read this and turn away because Biden is particularly vulnerable in this family area because of his first wife and daughter's death, which seriously injured his sons, too. Further, I attribute his poor debate performance to Hunter's conviction, barely a week b4 the debate.
His age was the factor in his poor debate-anything else was secondary.
Her campaign raised over 1 billion dollars, but ended up 20 million dollars in debt. $450k were spent each day on the sphere. That's IN NO WAY a good campaign.
Knowing how they spend their hard-earned money, who's ever gonna donate to the democrat candidates after this?? Who's gonna trust them with their money and the economy??
@@nickyb3800
Have you looked into Trump's account?
He brings it in landers is and puts it in his personal account.
There are a few names for that.
Fraud and embezzlement are two names.
What do you think the Paris team spent the money on?
He landered it in Paris.
@@mikeoveli1028 How is your comment related to the, to put it lightly, mismanagement of the Harris campaign spendings? Have you not seen how the "binary choice" argument spectacularly failed in this election?
This obssession with money is killing US politics-its obscene the amount of money,that is spent ,a new record every election year.
@robertosborne7542
You can thank our less than Supreme Court decision on citizens united.
We have a Supreme Court that is paying their handlers.
College indoctrinated, not educated
You seem nice.
@@trishagg
Did you read something I didn't 😀
Says guy with the tiniest brain who couldn’t get into college and is therefore easily brainwashed and gaslighted by the felon who saw no law as unbreakable. Go troll somewhere else.
@@mikeoveli1028 People who don't go to college say college indoctrinates kids. It's absurd.
@trishagg
Yes it is most teachers are far too busy to do anything beyond their work.
Let's go Trump
Too much introduction, I’d suggest. It took 4.5 minutes to get to Tim M speaking.
Why is a ten year old narrating this?
Any younger and the dems would try to abort them.
She does sound young, doesn't she? She graduated from William & Mary in 2017, so she's pushing 30.
She’s older than she sounds, but you’re right, it’s much more fun to insult people based on assumptions that are easily looked up and dismissed.
@@s-c.. I take no pleasure in saying this, but this is why the Dems lost, and why the Reps are cheering fascism.
its not that deep, its an inoffensive lighthearted joke at someone who who served in office and is doing well in life. You're right, its pretty easy... wasnt really trying to push culture forward with this one
@@PeterZeekecalling an adult a ten year old can easily be interpreted as “this person knows nothing”-can you see now how that’s not exactly lighthearted?
When you have Tim Miller on, don't try to impress him/us with how smart you are, let Tim talk for God's sake.
What do you mean?
Tim is a gay neocon. His input is worth less than toilet paper given what's just happened in the election.
Hoooly shit Atlantic. Do you know YT is playing two 30 second commercials every 2.5 minutes on average through this on top of your already inborn video ads? It's unlistenable.
Maybe you do know and tirned the dial to 11 yourself, but maybe you don't.
Why are people STILL ASKING soft-conservatives what they think, when their entire strategy just failed spectacularly on the largest possible stage??
There weren't any moderate conservatives on the ballot.
@ If capitulating entirely to the far-right on immigration, proudly campaigning with literally the Cheneys, cozying up to tech and crypto people and billionaires like Mark Cuban, and touting your biggest break from Biden to be “having more republicans in my cabinet” isn’t soft conservative, I’m truly not sure what is.
@@quickhands7008 You're right. You don't know what soft conservatism is.
Fortunately for me, I'm placing a lot of blame on woke progressives rather than my neighbors and family that voted primarily for Trump. But no matter what after being a Democrat for many decades, I'm done, I'm out, I'm not a socialist, woke or a pro hamas person, so I can't be a Democrat.
So, what did you like about being a Democratic voter?
A.G.
These Cope sessions have been delightful to me as a person
So true. When I’m down I watch 2016 meltdown videos - now I have even more.
The democrats have moved to fat right, people are hurting 😮
uh...dems have fallen off a cliff to the left
This host is clearly the problem with the DNC…too many big words, lofty delivery and even an accent that comes off condensing. Even the part on the data with FNC sounded very technical. Tim Miller OTTH knows how to talk to different audiences.
“Big words”. Lol
@@Jilla0559 a good percentage of gen Z didn't know what "demure" means and it's not even a big word. Nobody sympathizes with educated people who laugh at the unwashed masses
I'm so sick of hearing that people don't understand big words. Maybe they should LOOK THEM UP. The dumbing down of American needs to stop.
Can you give an example of the “big words” you’re referring to?
@@niklet9246 it’s not about dumbing down that’s a you issue lacking tolerance
Same old finger pointing and nonsense
Who reads the ATLANTIC? No one in the working class does. The donor class reads it to justify their smugness and elitism.
Interesting you feel that way yet still listened. Or maybe you didn't listen and just felt the need to comment without knowledge of the content. Either way...
Wow. I read a bunch of the comments. And this audience sounds really maga: HATEFUL.
Wont be listening to this again. YUCK!!
Thriving on anger….addicted to hate, MAGA is sad
@@RobinHawkland We are supposed to go along with disastrous Democrat policies just so you don't call us haters?
I cannot listen to this girl. Did she say her name was Jerusalem? Really?
If I had a Time Machine I’d say that if she chose Bernie as her VP she might have been able to run a successful anti-administration campaign but I would have thought she was crazy for that without the benefit of hindsight.
If that happened Trump would have one in a landslide.
@ Losing by a lot has the same outcome as losing by a little. If she went hard on “eat the rich” she would have lost the votes of the 14 Americans who still believe in the system but she might have gotten more of the disgruntled masses to vote for her.
Two people referring to the economic suffering of millions as “an inflationary episode” have lost the plot I think.
Tim, dont go back on this podcast. It really doesnt deserve your opinions and expertise. I’ll stick to listening to you on the bulwark.
Tim miller such a phony
Part of me voted for Trump in response to the Atlantic’s never ending BS.
Never heard of Tim Miller but him being less openly transphobic than Dem party members has my head in my hands
How exactly are Dem party members transphobic ? That ‘s honestly laughable
15:59 identity politics is how Trump got elected twice. Everybody pretends to hate identity politics, but in the end, the Latino men, the white men, and the white women all ran back to the patriarchy and voted for the white man over the white woman in 2016 and the multi racial woman in 2024. So I love the way the country pretends it hates identity politics but in the end it votes on identity politics. Otherwise explain Gallegos winning in Arizona. He didn’t have a stricter immigration policy than Keri Lake so it wasn’t about immigration at all. It was about the Latino men going for a Latino man. And then they all pretend that they hate identity politics afterwards. Don’t get me wrong, I’m thrilled that he won but gender ruled the day in 2016 and in 2024.
Meds now.
Identity politics is a game both sides can play. Sorry you just discovered this. Did you know by the way that despite some claims, the earth is not flat.
TLWL: A DEI loser and a plain weird loser. They lost. No surprise.
Harsh but basically true. I’d add - empty suit burdened by Biden and woke baggage.
Please define woke-an expression tossed around as an insult but rarely backed up with examples as to why its a bad thing,if thats what you believe it is.
@ woke is the idea that certain groups are fundamentally victimized because of their immutable characteristics and are therefore not responsible for the consequences of their decisions and deserving of special treatment. It is also the belief that white males are the perpetrators of such perceived injustices and collectively bear the guilt associated with such past victimization. It is also the belief that certain groups are not entitled to express certain opinions on certain topics because of their immutable characteristics. Wokeness is performative virtue signaling. Some obvious examples of wokeness are minority only groups on college campuses, safe spaces, and pronouns in email signature blocks. Biden’s selection of Harris because of her race and gender rather than her qualifications is a prime example of wokeness. Of course, if he selected her because of other reasons- then the selection would not be because of wokeness. Given his statements and her obvious flaws - combined with her unfair attacks against him during the 2020 primary debate - it’s highly likely that he selected her for woke reasons - but who knows.
Is the presenter 14 years old?
I still voted begrudgingly for Trump doesn't cost and that's my biggest issue and Kamala had a good talking game about it but I don't see anywhere in the country that's run by Democrats that has reasonable housing costs. I am from Massachusetts or the average house now cost about 700 grand if you can even find one And yes you can say Massachusetts has a good economy but it's nowhere near good enough of a wage premium to afford a house The only reason why all these workers still do those jobs is because they bought homes at much lower prices and locked in 30-year rate at about 3%. I'm 32 I didn't get a chance to buy a house so I moved from Massachusetts and went back to work on my friend's farm in northern New York or the average cost of a house is 100 grand and that's about what I make. I think at this point it's financial malpractice to live in a blue state with ridiculously high cost of living The wage premium is just not enough because you pay too much tax and you pay too much for everything else.
Probably about the best place in the country for normal people to live is in North Dakota or the average truck driver can make a hundred grand a year in the average nurse can make hundred grand a year and in a little over a year they could pay off their house. This is why you see millions of people leaving Blue cities and blue states especially native born Americans. The only reason why it's not much worse is because you do have a lot of high skilled immigrants from places like India that can still make $400,000 or more being a doctor in the Boston area and that's still well worth it.
I just don't see any evidence that Democrats will do what needs to be done by taking control at the state level and getting rid of a lot of these land use regulations and not allowing local homeowners to veto everything.
maga 4eva
failed state
complete tds derangement
Why do Republicans fail to ever understand what things actually mean.
TDS applies only to people who don't see the damage the man is doing to the country.
Buy the time you understand it will be too late.
May God have mercy on your soul.
How does Tim Miller still have a career?
Pathetic convo
L
OK I need to know....how old is the presenter here? 12?
How old is the interviewer, 6?
For a 12 year old, the kid is very bright.
Workers: we need increased wages, housing & affordable healthcare? DNC: all we can offer is identity politics, vibes & Cheney instead of what you actually want or need.
Trump wins.......
Liberals: WHAT HAPPENED?!?! (While knowing full well who they intended to blame regardless of the facts!)
DNC Answer: throw trans people under the bus or immigrants, completely ignoring the literal 100's of thousands of non-commited voters, Muslims or young people who were beaten up by DNC mayor's police departments and universities to deny them their first amendment rights for protesting the USA's slaughter of tens of thousands of innocent children in Palestine. The DNC pro genocide policy that completely undermines American interests in the middle East without a single benefit unless you think propping up a Netanyahu government that clearly wanted Republicans?!?! Let alone the fact that they're genocidal lunatics, it just didn't make any electoral sense, unless winning was not as important as maintaining the security establishments strangle hold on both parties!?!?
The system works........
Don’t worry they’ve got……
Never trumpers on the case!!