As I understood it, Arkhipov knew the real situation and just refused to obey his orders, while Petrov was just going on faith that he was getting wrong information. But: Odds are good that I got it all wrong.
@@KevinSproul His training was good and he trusted it over the computers. The US wouldn't attack with one missile or with 4 missiles. France on the other hand has come up with the concept of a warning shot with nukes.
26th September is Stanislav Petrov day. It is very easy to observe it: "Wherever you are, whatever you're doing, take a minute to not destroy the world."
Yet he is still not truly recognised and honoured for his willingness to risk everything to prevent humanities destruction on belief in his own intuition.
@@noppornwongrassamee8941yes it did. A computer at NORAD began running a sim of a first strike scenario without warning. Either a faulty command or timer for training went wrong. 😢. On the Russian side it was a Swedish weather rocket. Reported to Soviet authorities correctly but not passed down the chain. Incrediable people stopped the chain of events by pure thought , will and humanity. Sanity prevailed over fear. Scary as hell
@@noppornwongrassamee8941 If it did happen, the US isn't talking about it. Basically, our societies haven't matured to the point where we can look at ourselves and admit to our failings and mistakes so we can move past them and make sure we don't repeat them. Only then will people like Stanislav actively be remembered and others who did terrible things barely footnotes.
Tells the story of a man saving the world from MAD because he didn't trust a computer and in the same breath states blind trust in tech... we know how this ends: Skynet.
I would have preferred the Father saying „yes, they do“ as well. Computers are built, programmed and used by humans so there is always a margin for error. If you like to counter with AI, true Sentience, I say sentience comes with thinking and oppinions.Which s the basis of most errors
The incident itself is detailed in the Wikipedia entry "1983 Soviet nuclear false alarm incident". Soviet paranoia was exacerbated by the Able Archer 83 NATO exercise conducted over a month later. A month prior is when KAL flight 007 was shot down. We are really very lucky to all be here. Stanislov Petrov did indeed save mankind on that day.
Good story, however I am not convinced that a nuclear war would actually wipe out humanity let alone all life on earth unless that was the actual goal of the people who launched the bombs. It would still be like really bad but it seems very unlikely that it would kill of humanity let alone all life on earth. I mean even in Chernobyl life still thrives.
You really need to read up on the realities of the cold war. While you are right that the bombs' direct effects would not kill humanity, it is proven that even a "minor" to medium exchange of nuclear weapons (take India vs. Pakistan with their arsenals) would cause a nuclear winter lasting several years to decades. This may be survivable for well equipped individual groups of humans, but it would certainly kill human culture as a whole and 90% of all land species, let alone those species' individuals. Pure starvation,etc.would likewise affect 99% of humanity. The figures are all what came to my fingers, you can easily look up scientific studies yourself. This is really grim reading. We ARE f*cking lucky to be alive after the cold war.
Would a nuclear war kill ALL life? Probably not. Would it be enough to destroy civilization and send what's left of humanity back to nearly the stone age? Almost certainly.
It omitted the important part of the lesson, that socialism was the ideology that almost led to the destruction of the world and if this ends up being true and nuclear war is the great filter there's almost a guaranteed chance that socialism will have been the cause each and every time. That's the real lesson everyone needs to learn, that the desire for other people's stuff is the ultimate road to destruction, and wrapping the pretty bow that Society voted for theft to feed the poor doesn't make anyone survived the nuclear war that it causes. A very important lesson, socialism should always be stopped as quickly as possible.
This happened twice.
The story refers to Stanislav Petrov.
Also Vasili Arkhipov refused to use a nuclear torpedo during the Cuban missile crisis.
As I understood it, Arkhipov knew the real situation and just refused to obey his orders, while Petrov was just going on faith that he was getting wrong information.
But: Odds are good that I got it all wrong.
I came down here to say this
@@KevinSproul His training was good and he trusted it over the computers. The US wouldn't attack with one missile or with 4 missiles. France on the other hand has come up with the concept of a warning shot with nukes.
26th September is Stanislav Petrov day. It is very easy to observe it: "Wherever you are, whatever you're doing, take a minute to not destroy the world."
Yet he is still not truly recognised and honoured for his willingness to risk everything to prevent humanities destruction on belief in his own intuition.
I agree, if any person really deserves to be remembered, he is certainly one of them.
Didn't a similar event happen on the USA side, or was that just a movie?
@@noppornwongrassamee8941yes it did. A computer at NORAD began running a sim of a first strike scenario without warning. Either a faulty command or timer for training went wrong. 😢. On the Russian side it was a Swedish weather rocket. Reported to Soviet authorities correctly but not passed down the chain. Incrediable people stopped the chain of events by pure thought , will and humanity. Sanity prevailed over fear. Scary as hell
@@noppornwongrassamee8941 If it did happen, the US isn't talking about it. Basically, our societies haven't matured to the point where we can look at ourselves and admit to our failings and mistakes so we can move past them and make sure we don't repeat them. Only then will people like Stanislav actively be remembered and others who did terrible things barely footnotes.
Tells the story of a man saving the world from MAD because he didn't trust a computer and in the same breath states blind trust in tech... we know how this ends: Skynet.
Intel at the time said that the dude was asleep and missed the alarm. Wasn't until command called that he woke up
I would have preferred the Father saying „yes, they do“ as well.
Computers are built, programmed and used by humans so there is always a margin for error.
If you like to counter with AI, true Sentience, I say sentience comes with thinking and oppinions.Which s the basis of most errors
Good story. One day we might find out this is one of the solutions to the Fermi Paradox. ( I think there are multiple answers not just 1)
Great story; Excellent narration! The best stories are those that include enough "true" information in them to make them believable!
The incident itself is detailed in the Wikipedia entry "1983 Soviet nuclear false alarm incident". Soviet paranoia was exacerbated by the Able Archer 83 NATO exercise conducted over a month later. A month prior is when KAL flight 007 was shot down. We are really very lucky to all be here. Stanislov Petrov did indeed save mankind on that day.
Why is this not taught to everyone in school?!
Politics.
It's explained in the story: We haven't discovered all the dead worlds yet.
For the Algorithm, for the Author(s), for the Disembodied Voice!
A damn fine reading, thank you.
Greetings, Mentlegent!
For the Rhyhtm that is Algo
One man can make a difference.
It's always been the small miracles.
The Great Filter.
Here's hoping for a future where we do reach the stars... and find new friends.
Interesting take on "the great filter"
This happend several timestamp, the russians with the norwegian science rocket, the US with a training program...
omg ive never heard of this! shows how horrible american schools can be! this dude should have his own holiday
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Good story, however I am not convinced that a nuclear war would actually wipe out humanity let alone all life on earth unless that was the actual goal of the people who launched the bombs. It would still be like really bad but it seems very unlikely that it would kill of humanity let alone all life on earth. I mean even in Chernobyl life still thrives.
You really need to read up on the realities of the cold war. While you are right that the bombs' direct effects would not kill humanity, it is proven that even a "minor" to medium exchange of nuclear weapons (take India vs. Pakistan with their arsenals) would cause a nuclear winter lasting several years to decades.
This may be survivable for well equipped individual groups of humans, but it would certainly kill human culture as a whole and 90% of all land species, let alone those species' individuals. Pure starvation,etc.would likewise affect 99% of humanity.
The figures are all what came to my fingers, you can easily look up scientific studies yourself. This is really grim reading. We ARE f*cking lucky to be alive after the cold war.
Would a nuclear war kill ALL life? Probably not. Would it be enough to destroy civilization and send what's left of humanity back to nearly the stone age? Almost certainly.
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"Computer's don't make mistakes."
Sounds like they are living with some Pro-Computer propaganda. ;)
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It omitted the important part of the lesson, that socialism was the ideology that almost led to the destruction of the world and if this ends up being true and nuclear war is the great filter there's almost a guaranteed chance that socialism will have been the cause each and every time.
That's the real lesson everyone needs to learn, that the desire for other people's stuff is the ultimate road to destruction, and wrapping the pretty bow that Society voted for theft to feed the poor doesn't make anyone survived the nuclear war that it causes.
A very important lesson, socialism should always be stopped as quickly as possible.
2nd, 23 January 2025