Why XTAL is the king of VR headsets for Flight and Racing Simulators
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- Опубліковано 6 жов 2024
- Last weekend I tested the XTAL VR headset with Flight Simulators and Racing Simulators, and compared it to the Pimax VR range and also other VR HMD brands. Is XTAL really the best VR headset for VR simulator enthusiast and fanatics? In this hands-on XTAL video, I will tell you everything you need to know in-depth, about the current XTAL version and it's latest improvements.
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As of now, the XTAL headset is available for orders in EU and US.
XTAL is the most sophisticated VR headset on the market today, aimed mainly for professional work due to it's specifications and production costs. But the unit has now proved that it also can serve as a very potential high-end VR headset for Virtual Reality simulator training and gameplays on home consumer level. Todays hands-on review of XTAL, I'm going in deep on the functionality, the outstanding image quality and all the advantages a high-end headset can bring you, compared to the existing consumer grade products such as Pimax 5K+, Pimax 5K XR and the 8K.
Is XTAL the king of VR headsets for Flight and Racing Simulators? Let me know your thoughts in the comments down below.
#XTAL #VR #flightsimulator #racingsimulator #VRSimulator
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If the price was 1500€, I'd buy one right now. Even at 2000€, I'd seriously consider getting one. But 4900€ is just insane.
Same
Indeed but €4900 is without VAT and transport tax. It is actually a little over €6000.
It's good to know the tech is there though, prices will come down.
They havent announced the price of the consumer version yet - www.roadtovr.com/vrgineers-wants-build-cheaper-xtal-headset-consumers/ You're talking the enterprise price.
y same.. i dont know why they set that price tag...(how many they sell to rich contractors and avarage peoples).but any ways want to say .. when you have not competitors you dictate price
This is amazing news for VR. Maybe we don't need 4K per eye after all to get rid of the SDE. This gives me great hope for the Valve index.
Uuuh duh of course not. Odyssey+ and even the psvr.. yes that PSVR which has the lowest res in aaaall headsets have NO sde at all.
Resolution got nothing to do with it
heyjeySigma haha psvr has lots of SDE what are you talking about.
@@heyjeySigma lmaooo are you trolling?
@@underflip2 I haven't tried it but I've heard similar things.
ua-cam.com/video/AcL__bv5cpY/v-deo.html It looks pretty damn good, in that video at least.
@@underflip2 no it doesnt you idiot. Did u actually play on a psvr??
Dont confuse sde with lower resolution and visible pixels.
Go play psvr and occulus rift back to back and then talk
When the price reaches 2,000 Euro this thing will be flying off the shelf.
Im sure this day will come :)
Hello! Here is David from VRgineers (manufacturers of XTAL).
2000 Eur is unfortunately out of our capabilities. But sometimes we offer XTALs on favorable terms. If you're interested in getting more information on that, let me know on my email; david.fiedler@vrgineers.com
Thanks! David
Sim Racing enthusiast here, already paid 2K in the DD FFB Wheel, 1K in the pedal set, 300 in the shifter, 2K in the GC, if I'd want to race IRL it would cost me 100K, so yeah in the end 5K doesnt seem that much !
Yeah thats so true! In the end, we are spending these dollars anyway lol.
In four-five years i think i spend 15000 usd on fishing gear im my past. But I never counted the costs. Hobbies are hobbies :)
Track day is like $550 a day, more or less. So 100k is like 182 days. Could be a lot less than $550 as well depending but not more (unless you are traveling hundreds of miles to get there). If you get a Lotus or light porsche, then tyres and breaks are going to be reusable over many sessions. Also, with a second hand Lotus or Porsche you can get 500 hp for like 30-40k.
@@casparharte I did track days with my car and my motorbikes, brake caliper , tires and gaz are melting like butter under the sun. I just throw a number like this, but of 5y it wouldnt be so far , maybe :)
"if I'd want to race IRL it would cost me 100K" WTF are you talking about...you can run Formula Vee or FF for anywhere from $10k to $20K for a car and season.
@@martinblank1484 as long as he doesn't crash ha ha.
Time to sell that kidney... NEED IT! (the headset I mean)
I would wait a year before the operation, I think some developers will go under that price sooner or later. Many VR users like to play seated with sims, so there is a market for these kind of headsets!
R/wooooooosh
Tell me your GFR, BUN, and Creatinine, and I will consider it.
You may not need to sell your kidney! Sometimes we offer XTALs on favorable terms. If you're interested in getting more information, let me know on my email; david.fiedler@vrgineers.com
Thanks! David
These lenses show how much great potential there is in the tech. look forward to it coming down in price in the future
Indeed! And imagine same tech with 4K panels :)
@@SweViver That thing with full 4K panels per eye would be insane. Does it also support VR SLI like the StarVR with its two separate inputs for the panels?
Concerned friend: Why did you sell your motorcycle, mountain bike and kidney and why have I not seen you outside in months?
Me: XTAL son.
It must feel like neo in the matrix but instead of kung fu "I know how to fly an f-14"
Yes, I could sell my bike. Very good idea friend.
Maybe you don't have to sell your mtb! Sometimes we offer XTALs on favorable terms. If you're interested in getting more information, let me know on my email; david.fiedler@vrgineers.com
Thanks! David
I would’ve killed for some elite dangerous footage in this haha
Same! I wish my Rift would look as good as my screen. But the price... Guess I'll have to live with the crawling staircase!
Any "footage" is not through the lens so...
Its so good to know there are another path than just increase more and more the screen resolution! That is a great new! I hope in two years we have another companies going this way. Thank you for the video.
trouble is spend 5k and in 8 months something comes along for 700 that beats it. its just not viable. 2k and ill take one
Tech will always get cheaper but not everyone is ready to wait for it. Some peope can simply afford it and im sure they wont wait. I wish i could afford it :)
@@karoo_bushman6880 Ti cards have never been faster than the Titan of the same series. Unless you mean the next gen Ti over the old gen Titan, which takes a lot longer to come out than a couple of months.
@@karoo_bushman6880 watercool that titan and overclock it to hell. Have one watercooled myself and it does everything I need at 3440x1440 100hz.
8 months is utterly unrealistic. MAYBE in 2 - 3 years you'll have this kind of a headset for 700. Just think how Rift and Vive are already more than 3 years old and we didn't get far in that time.
The price is fine for commercial use though. IF you have a flight-sim shop - you make that $$ in a week in an average location. At a carnival you make that in a day EASY. Staying ahead of the curve when you get a return for it presents incredibly good value for ALL of these headsets that come out nowadays.
Now, if you have an R+D budget like an F1 team... even for single-use that big $$ is nothing to them!
Loved it until the frequency. 70hertz is not enough. :( I hope they make a 90hz unit then it's the unit to buy.
@@PRiMETECHAU 100% incorrect. OLED has nothing to do with a refresh rate limitation. In fact, the faster OLED is driven, the better it is.
Personally I cant see any difference in 70 or 90Hz but thats only me. Been testing Pimax on 72 and 64Hz mode also and it was totally fine without flicker or lag. But I totally understand some ppl are more sensitive to this.
@@PRiMETECHAU Not sure where you got that information from. Both the original Vive and Rift are OLED panels. As is the Vive Pro. All of those run at 90 Hz.
@@SweViver Really you cannot notice 64 Hz flicker? That is really low. Old CRT's used to run at 60 Hz and caused massive eye-strain. In my testing, 80 Hz is the bare minimum not to stress my eyes and 90 Hz min is ideal. 120 Hz should be the goal.
90hz can you get gpu which will support them on ultra?answer no that's why its 70hz!Until Sli is not supported its useless
XTAL told me that all SweViver Patrons get a 200 Euro discount on purchasing their superb VR headset. I became a Patron today. I've relied on your excellent IL2 (my use) comments about the Pimax and I'm glad you showed DCS. Can you comment or email me about how the XTAX might benefit distant aircraft type recognition in IL2? Currently, it seems that flat-screen users can more easily see the small characteristics of distant contacts and identify friend or foe in time to set up or avoid an attack. Even with my Vive Pro, even zoom images are so fuzzy it's hard to see the shape of wing taper or tips, location of radiator/cooler scoops, etc. that identify an aircraft as a Yak or a MiG or a 109 or 190 or an La-5 [or hopefully soon, a P-51!].
Hi Steve! Here is David from VRgineers (manufacturers of XTAL).
If you're interested in getting more information on XTAL benefits & comparison to other headsets, let me please know on my email; david.fiedler@vrgineers.com
Thanks! David
I'm buying two..one for each eye.
Get 3, may as well have one for your dog too
Hahah, no problem! Sometimes we offer XTALs on favorable terms. If you're interested in getting more information, let me know on my email; david.fiedler@vrgineers.com
Thanks! David
Thanks for your great review about the Xtal! I have been in touch with VRGineers and am waiting for my invoice to order the headset. Your review made the difference for what VR 2.0 headset I was going to buy. I know it's a lot of money but I just can't see anything else out there that will give me exactly what I want out of DCS and IL-2. Keep those reviews coming! They are invaluable for people like me who just don't have access to all those headsets to make the right decision.
This should be a $1500us headset and they would make a killing. The other headset makers should take notice and i'm sure they have. This is what consumers want and quite frankly this is pretty much where all headsets should be at or close to at this stage in VR timeline. I really think they all are quite capable of making these screen doorless, sharp headsets but gain more money from consumers taking baby steps and getting everyone on the upgrade bandwagon.
I'm looking forward to seeing what Valve bring to the table and also think StarVR One is looking like a more palatable option for the high-end side but still overpriced for my wallet.
I think the problem is the cost of all the included feutures (remember - this is an enterprise, not a consumer product), and I think that the manufacturing (and development) cost of optics is making this product expensive for the company as well. And they have to pay for everything that comes with being a company. I would not say they are making huge profits (yet).
OK, I found out why the Xtal Oleds look better than Pimax, beside panel utilisation. Xtal used 'OLED RGB at 24bit'. That is a far superior and expensive display compared to the Pimax XR
Are you surprised? Everyone knew Pimax would be extremely cheap... Given it's specification. If it was high quality display and materials, it would cost twice as much.
@@michalvalta5231 Yep!
0:00 Introduction
2:06 vrgineers company
3:55 XTAL headset hardware and features
5:54 Price
6:22 What makes the XTAL headset special
8:40 XTAL display panel utilization and technology (XTAL, Pimax)
12:06 Through the lens image comparisons (XTAL, Pimax 5K XR / 5K+ / 8K)
12:41 Rendering resolution comparison (XTAL, Pimax)
14:25 Game testing experience
17:40 Summary
Thank you! This guy talks wayyyy too much and isn't concise at all.
Hope you will find this interesting guys 😎 Btw sorry for the somehow poor microphone sound. I screwed up the profile while recording, tried to fix it in post, but yeah... Im still learning! 😜
Sounded perfectly fine to me Martin.
Thanks for the in depth comparison between the optics on the Pimax vs the XTAL; was very informative.
Shows that there are still huge improvements to be had with better lens optics, NOT just higher resolutions.
Perhaps the Valve Index lens design, will blow us all away with its different approach.
Fingers Crossed! ;0)
Need to encoyrage them to gwt this to pc gamer markets its worth billions just need to partner with samsung or alienware ans gwr mass production to all px vr gamers needs to be 400 /500
Maybe less the more users they can get wearing a consumer version for gamers the better and will help bring on the VR world which will be next level
8k PS5 coming out imagine 8k pc game with an 8k Xtal optimised graphics as best as possible it be next level. The technology is there we just need the right partnerships might start a 8K VR Partnership Programme. You know the xtal team and xtal if your listening you need to send the kit and expert and legal and go get those big partnerships with samsung etc be awesome we all love VR so why not make history next yr release why next 2months for early birds
Get the big company to take a loss on first batch doesn't matter its about being the Mercedes-Benz of VR Headsets eg number 1 but can afford it
This isn't ahead of everyone else, everyone else just wants to make something people can actually afford. You really can't justify that price tag for gaming, this thing really is just for devs and serious simulators.
Nice review. Wish you talked about the FOV experience more, especially regarding sense of speed in sim racing
I never mind when you get geeky :)
Now I know how the pimax renders the image.
I hope 4-5 years onward every headset is gonna be on this level!
Im with you need that xtal headset on every pc gamers desk
4 to 5 years?
As always great video:) I just want to thank for all those pimax videos! I recently just got a pimax 5K and your videos have helped me so much.:) I know voodoode, Sebastian and you put a lot of effort in the videos. Thanks again.
Thanks man, Im happy to hear that :) And congrats to your new Pimax, Im sure u will have lots of fun. And much more Pimax videos coming! Enjoy :)
Received my 8K XTAL last month, holy hell it’s amazing! The VR Link is essential. Just incredible fidelity.
Hi! That's amazing to hear. Have great fun!
David, VRgineers
4900EUR!!? No,Thx.
But the product is on the right track.
Hope one day these headset can be much affordable.
I may buy one even for $2000(when totally lose my mind), but 4900 is way over.
I totally agree with you.
For that kind of money I would get abyss 1266
Hi Shubin, sometimes we offer XTALs on favorable terms. If you're interested in getting more information, let me know on my email; david.fiedler@vrgineers.com
Thanks! David
16:24 Can read everything, no zooming guys... "zooms"
;)
Great job on the video my friend. Long, yes, but incredibly informative! :)
I think I'll stick with the 5K+ though :P
5k+ is a good choice. If you're interested in XTAL & Pimax comparison, let me know. Sometimes we offer XTALs on favorable terms. If you're interested in getting more information on that, let me know on my email; david.fiedler@vrgineers.com
Thanks! David
You're saying it's a pentile OLED panel, but a few months back I talked to Ms. Kuklová of VRgineers, and asked about whether the subpixel matrix was pentile or full RGB. She said that it's actually a full RGB matrix. That would explain some of the resultion advantage and maybe also the reduced SDE.
I would buy this to play DCS, XPlane, Il-2, PC2 etc. for about 2500-3000$ with some cheaper variant without i.e. automatic IPD adjustment or other features usefull mostly for profesional usage. More than 5000$ is just a little bit too much, but quality is fantastic for sure, incomparable with detail customer oriented Vive, Pimax or Rift.
Thanks for the video.
Hello! Here is David from VRgineers (manufacturers of XTAL).
Sometimes we offer XTALs on favorable terms. If you're interested in getting more information on that, let me know on my email; david.fiedler@vrgineers.com
Thanks! David
Martin, really appreciate the deep dive on XTal optics + screen and especially key differences between XTal and Pimax. If Pimax used similar lens to XTal, couldn't they close the gap in terms of perceived picture quality without warping at the extremes of the FOV?
I going to buy Pimax 5K Plus or XR anyway but I happy we don't need 4K resolution for each eye to improve sharpness and get rid of SDE effect, everything is about screen utilization and lenses.
"roughtly 7x more expensive than the Pima--" STOP right there! im done. thank you for your time.
Same, stopped video at 06:00 minute mark. I'll stick with Valve Index
I dont understand people nowdays. Price matters more than quality?
@@mikkihintikka7273 for something as experimental as VR, the answer is yes. always. IF we were talking car tires or mattresses or even toilet paper that would be a different issue.,
@@Holret i mean 6k isnt even that much. one week income
Only 5000€ how I didnt buy before??? XD
Plus VAT, that's 6000
Oops, I accidentally bought it. It was so cheap!
I'd buy it
@@DaltonLayne you got it already?
@@x32i77 I got a $1000 camera instead, I might buy It in a couple years or something, theres a lot of other things I need first including a computer.
I ordered mine!
As soon as I take out a second mortgage I will be picking one up. Man! The fidelity is insane.
Hello Marcus! Here is David from VRgineers (manufacturers of XTAL).
Sometimes we offer XTALs on favorable terms. If you're interested in getting more information on that, let me know on my email; david.fiedler@vrgineers.com
Thanks! David
Price pushes it way out of reach for most but its encouraging the technology is out there to make VR better. I'd also have weight concerns. It looks big. Not sure my neck would thank me.
All that i wanted to know about VR is well explained here .. Well made ..
Thanks for the video. Since I cannot afford such amount of money, I think Ill wait for the HP reverb.
XTOL: "You cannot afford me"
Me: "Shut up!!! I know that!"
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Good stuff, I'm looking forward to trying this. Will there be other tracking options other than lighthouses (please say yes)? In class room environments, lighthouses can be very problematic.
Also, it would look a lot nicer in DCS if you enable shadows.
Matt Wagner Hiya Matt! XTAL supports light house as well as two other tracking sources I believe. They are listed on the www.vrgineers.com website :)
Hey Matt I totally missed your comment, Im sorry for that..
Yes XTAL supports ART tracking and OptiTrack besides SteamVR tracking. These two are more reliable for professional work, but probably also more expensive.
Fantastic video SweViver, as usual very thorough and brilliantly put together.
Where's the commercially cheaper version for the masses. XTAL xomw on waiting for a fair price need to team up with alienware or similar
They will announce once they have any news :) Im under NDA so i can't say much as of today..
@@SweViver this is the key getting the pc gamer market to adopt Xtal Consumer Headset
@@SweViver Should we wait for the consumer version? Or pay 5K for this one. What do you think?
Sooner or later we might see a consumer version. But probably not until mid-next year (my guess only) so it all depends if u want to wait or can afford to skip waiting :)
Yes today the high res panels and especially optics are expensive to develop. Things will get better for sure!
main question is, why pimax engineer are not able to set a proper render resolution that respect AT LEAST the screen aspect ratio? the fact that those guys at Xtal have been able to set resolution at EXACTLY 2560*1440 demonstrates that is possible, and it doesn't look they have any problem with games compatbility, cmon Pimax get the best out from your device!!
Can't see myself spending €6k including VAT, but a consumer version with the same panel and lenses, without AutoEye and Leap Motion for 3K ... I'd be crazy enough for that.
Hello Here is David from VRgineers (manufacturers of XTAL).
Sometimes we offer XTALs on favorable terms. If you're interested in getting more information on that, let me know on my email; david.fiedler@vrgineers.com
Thanks! David
What is interesting about this headset is how well just a standard RTX2080 can drive those 2k screens, it means that the tech that is available right now is all that is needed to get a superb VR experience, and that is good news for VR gamers.
Very nice BUT 7900.00 Canadian no thanks
i think that's the point. It's for the people willing to spend multiple thousands on flight sim cockpits
@@myztklk3v If you spend multiple thousands on a flight sim cockpit why would you need this crap
@@doseofboost4509 I said "for the people willing to spend thousands"
@@myztklk3v Those flight sim cockpit at least have tactile user interfaces.
Hello Phil! Here is David from VRgineers (manufacturers of XTAL).
Sometimes we offer XTALs on favorable terms. If you're interested in getting more information on that, let me know on my email; david.fiedler@vrgineers.com
Thanks! David
I would actually buy it if it was half the price - 3000€ with VAT included.
Hello! Here is David from VRgineers (manufacturers of XTAL).
Sometimes we offer XTALs on favorable terms. If you're interested in getting more information on that, let me know on my email; david.fiedler@vrgineers.com
Thanks! David
That thing is massive...looks like the weight of the unit would be an uncomfortable experience.
Hello! Here is David from VRgineers (manufacturers of XTAL).
Thanks to the new head strap with a perfectly balanced weight it is much easier for a user to wear!
Sometimes we offer XTALs on favorable terms. If you're interested in getting more information on that, let me know on my email; david.fiedler@vrgineers.com
Thanks! David
intro: You got me :)
(really great to have you back Martin)
This shows what is possible and one day at one point it will be cheap enough to be available to the general public.. how expensive were the first LCD Tv's? Or computers? I remember my first laptop was around 13.000 German Marks, which is roughly the same like now 13000 Euro is... Now any laptop costs a fraction of it and is way better then this expensive one.
I hope the Major VR manufacturers will catch up and do something similar at the commercial grade level.
Well. Just answered yes to all your questions at the end. Went straight to their website and it now costs over 6000 Euros. 2000 euro price hike in 8 months? What a shame
I've had my XTAL 4 days now. OMG.
Just amazing the clarity. In Project Cars it doesn't feel or look like a VR headset. It looks like I'm wearing a racing helmet. The FOV is almost identical to my Simpson track helmet I use when I track.
Super expensive but this shits all over everything out there. There is still a FOV limitation but for simmers it's like wearing a racing helmet instead of a pair of ski goggles or scuba goggles.
You'll see a consumer version probably in a year and a half. Oh, I have the AR camera edition. You're going to shit when you see what this can do.
ohhh.. I'm thinking you are the first man have it? (For game) Can you explain about fov? Is lower then pimax? Will you make a review for as?
stefano bean horizontal is about the same as PiMax, vertical I can’t tell, seems PiMax may have 2 degree or so more but could be the face pad needs to be adjusted. The image is no contest, the XTAL is mind blowing good. NO DISTORTION!
It is heavy, definitely not a toy like PiMax, especially with the AR camera attachment I have, but AR is what I’m developing for with this product.
ua-cam.com/video/4qHgCgnYRe4/v-deo.html
XTAL consumer version in a year or two is going to destroy everything. No fresnel nonsense, no distortion, just crystal clear awesomeness.
@@Gorilla_Jones Thank you.. the problem is the price or wait 1 or 2 year for the other version.. Maybe I can think about it only after touch with my hand, but here in Italy is like impossible. I'm curious about 8k X ok the distortion problem but for me is very little, I prefer very big fov. but maybe in 8k x the long distant car like in project cars in real 4k panel are good too or better then older panel of xtal. For me the maximun price was the starvr one, not more. I'm curious now how many people order xtal for gaming. Maybe if we must wait 1 year for a consumer version... in 1 year pimax or the other can make a better with big lower price. So ofcourse at moment you have the best !!.. Please if you can make review video ecc. As I remember Sweviver or maybe Mrtv in one post has wrote that pimax 8k x look better then xtal or starwar... don't remember where.
stefano bean You should wait, or get the 8K X if you dare, PiMax is not a good company. VRGINEERS have been awesome. I wouldn’t buy the XTAL though, its too heavy. It is literally more than twice the weight of the PiMax, its heavy. The weight comes from the tracking clip and the AR cameras. Wait till XTAl release a version with built in tracking, the tracking clip is like 300 grams on its own and adds weight.
How is the SDE when viewing VR video and also can you see pixels when viewing VR video? Thanks
I would pay 3k, not more since apparently StarVR One still even better and it is coming to market and cheaper
Nobody knows anything abour StarVR release today. Its rumors. But yeah its possible of course.
@@karoo_bushman6880 it was going to be 3200
Hello! Here is David from VRgineers (manufacturers of XTAL).
I've made a comparison of StarVR and XTAL. And sometimes we offer XTALs on favorable terms. If you're interested in getting more information on that, let me know on my email; david.fiedler@vrgineers.com
Thanks! David
@@davidfiedler2007 Interesting. What do you consider favorable terms? I'll send u an email
Nice step forward. I guess that technology, performance and hopefully high quality optics will all come together in next 3-5 years to give us 4k per eye native resolution at affordable price. Until we get those to a good balance, VR will be either delegated to simple games or not affordable for most users. Until then, I hope I can persuade my boss to get one and borrow it on weekends :)
Hello Giap! Here is David from VRgineers (manufacturers of XTAL).
Sometimes we offer XTALs on favorable terms. If you're interested in getting more information on that, let me know on my email; david.fiedler@vrgineers.com
Thanks! David
id really like to know what the costs of this are in the manufacture, not saying that Xtal marked the headset up absurdly to make it 5 grand, but because its the lenses that are making me interested. from how I understand it the reason that VR headsets look soo pixilated and low resolution is that the lenses are zooming in on the screen, it something that should be pretty obvious but it seems that a lot of the good VR headsets are not doing this, so id love to know how much they cost, if the lenses are 3K to make then the price is brutal but given some time we can get it down (but in a year or two maybe more). that said if this costs a lot of money because its a bunch of lesser cost items that are getting combined to cost a crap ton, well it may be nice to see a "budget" version of this headset. clearly, we don't need that high of a resolution in the headset because we don't have to fight the pixel magnification in the zoom of the lenses so a headset that only had 1080p or even 720p would be much clearer than a 2k panel which does have the zoom. as it stands i feel that 5 grand is just too much for the headset, something that really only exists to be bought by the corporate world.
I guess camera lenses cost a lot too, and it must be tricky to get a lense that minimises "rainbows" and also suits many eye-shapes.
Perfekt Video! Please make more ! And keep them at the maximum technical geek level as possible
this machine technology normally gets passed down to the lower level headsets (hopefully) in time......VR gunna be the way forward soon👍...
You got me on Minute 12:06!
But in the end... I was just frustrated, because they made so many things much better than Pimax. ;-(
Thank you! So the tech is here, we just need it to filter down to consumer pricing. It's really not using tech that the big guys can't implement.
I'll wait a couple of years and get for under $1000.
Yep exactly. Meanwhile I'll be happy with my affordable 5k+.
Great presentation. Informative and funny!
I will enjoy my Pimax 5k+ 3-5 years and hope that the price tag goes way Down.
Wow! that image through the lens was Amazing
Great video. Just wanted to know ist new or should I wait for the second version? Cheers
Hi Saleh, here is David from VRgineers (manufacturers of XTAL).
We've released 8K version with updates during January 2020. If you're interested in getting more information on XTAL benefits & comparison to other headsets, let me please know on my email; david.fiedler@vrgineers.com
Thanks! David
Great Vid! The technical background about the usable resolution and its benefits are great! Thats gives me also great hope for new headsets (xtal consumer) with insane clarity and performance in near future... It does not seem to be a witchcraft. It looks like to be the IPD adjustment of moveable displays and lenses in XTAL to have more usable resolution of the displays.
Ok, so what can it do better than the StarVR that last did cost 3200 EU excl tax?
And how does it compare to the StarVR?
Also, would it perhaps be even better if it used an RGB stripe panel?
Well first of all everyone at Xtal has not been put in jail and the company has not been shut down and had to be revived from the dead ;) /s
Yeah the main thing is that you actually CAN order XTAL now and get it. While Star VR so far is only a dream for all of us.. :)
@@SweViver Didn't know the XTAL can be bought already! Well then I will wait for StarVR to drop and look forward to your review and comparison of both! I have no problem spending big bucks if the performance is there but at this point in time it would imho be silly to spend 5 grand when something equal or possibly better could be on the horizon for significantly less. Did you test the StarVR together with Sebastian and Markus as well?
@@Mike-bg3cf True, but the fact that it HAS been revived is something we all should be rather happy about? Also, is there more reading material about the jail thing? I haven't heard of it until now but I can't follow the developments as closely as I'd like to due to time constraints.
love the youtube jab at 10:41 :)
I will give my opinion on what the XTAL gamer version will be. This is just my viewpoint from being involved in the prototyping/patenting process.
1. They don’t have the economies of scale to bring this out on their own. So I’m pretty sure they are partnering with a much larger “gaming centric” company, Razer for instance. This new “gamer” centric headset will be branded as a Razer with maybe sub branding by VRGineers. This is just my educated guess.
2. The gamer version of the XTAL will offer similar or even greater FOV than the commercial version. This is because XTAL doesn’t rely strictly on panel resolution for its image. XTALs strength is its lenses. By the time this gamer version is available the lens technology will have increased by leaps and bounds hence it will have greater FOV than the commercial one I’m buying.
3. It will be price in the $900 to $1500 range. I’m considering this to be the sweet spot for “High end” PC gaming gear. This is right on the threshold, but I believe this will be an exponential leap in VR and hence it will receive crazy amounts of PR.
4. I think this “gamer” version will be available sometime in 2020, more than likely spring to be entered into financial quarter of the beginning of the year, or fall to be entered into last quarter of financial year. It all depends on what Razer needs to boost its share prices.
5. To cut costs more than likely this headset will have inside out tracking of some sort. It might not have the built in hand tracking. It probably will have a mechanical IPD adjustment as this is just flat out cheaper to do.
6. I believe it will make use of foveated rendering of some sort but not 100% on that. Since XTAL seem to be masters of maximizing panel technology, it might not be needed.
So IMO the XTAL/Razer gaming version of this headset will truly be a generational leap. I expect it probably fall of 2020. I think VoodooDE/MRTV/Sweviver will have their beta headsets sometime in late fall of 2019.
We’ll circle back to this post in a year and see how close I was. 😉
Maybe the screen is little more distant from the lens than the Pimax. That could be why higher pixel density perception. But then the screen would have to be larger than the Pimax. And that could explain the bigger size of Xtal compare to Pimax headset.
i don't understand why Pimax would go through all that trouble with the rendering pipeline and the distortion through the lesnes. It would make sense if they were able to get significatly more performance from the same GPU vs the XTAL. But according to this test, this is not the case.
That said, I know the XTAL is aimed at the pro market which has different needs to the consumer market, but there is no reason they could not release this at an affordable consumer price with some minor modications to the external hardware, while keeping the same lenses and screens.
THANK YOU so much for this video! Almost dropped $$ on a Pimax, now this beats the competition. By the way, which fighter jet sim is that, DCS?
Hi! Here is David from VRgineers (manufacturers of XTAL).
If you're interested in getting more information on XTAL benefits & comparison to other headsets, let me please know on my email; david.fiedler@vrgineers.com
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exciting stuff, will be great to see some of the technology in the XTAL trickle down to consumer grade VR headsets
Why don't companies just decrease the resolution in the peripheral vision and focus all the resolution in the place that we're actually looking at using eye-tracking? Surely that would decrease the performance demands (and thus price) significantly.
Price is 4900 euro for the basic HMD plus another 200 euro for the steam vr tracking clip on module making 5100 euro. Compare that to StarVR One which was 3200 USD, about 2900 euro with steam VR tracking built in. In both cases you then need the base stations and controllers/wands. If you want steam VR 2.0 base stations, you can't get them yet without a Vive pro. I hope it will be possible to get them from Pimax or Valve soon.
Swweviver, how did you find it it X plane 11 compared to DCS. Was the clarity worse in X plane than DCS? Did you try the X plane Cessna 172 with Garmin 1000 EFIS and if so could you read the airspeed and altitude clearly on the PFD?
VRgineers have teased there will be 3 "breakthrough" upgrades to Xtal coming soon. Did they give any clue about these?
I think we should not buy Xtal now but wait for these new upgrades. I also want to try out StarVR one to compare with Xtal if it becomes available in the next few months.
Maybe I've missed it some where but has anyone done a side by side comparison between XTAL and StarVR one? or is STARVR dead?
indeed! I need to see this review /comparison. Especially because the star VR is around £2000 CHEAPER!!!!.
Hello! Here is David from VRgineers (manufacturers of XTAL).
I've made a comparison of StarVR and XTAL. And sometimes we offer XTALs on favorable terms. If you're interested in getting more information on that, let me know on my email; david.fiedler@vrgineers.com
Thanks! David
This VR with Star Citizen has to be an experience... :D
sc doesnt support vr till 2025 at earliest
I hope specs like his will be consumer grade in the future.
I'm actually really interested in the new valve index, if their new lenses can help eliminate SDE like I've heard then its a buy for me. It will be time to ditch the old oculus and upgrade, I wanted to move on from oculus anyway as I feel their going in the wrong direction.
Dam this headset is what I wish was the standard for all headsets. it's gonna take years for that to happen tho 😔
How would you say this compares to the StarVR one? Especially for SDE? Is the rendering done similarly on the StarVR?
It's great that this thing exists... If only it makes me less of a douche for wanting the Pimax! Hey, there are more expensive snobier things out there!
Then as you say... People pay thousands for flat tv screens... This seems way more worth the painful amount.
How does wanting a Pimax make you a douche? Thinking that is stupid. It's a great headset.
Hello! If you're interested in XTAL & Pimax comparison, let me know. Sometimes we offer XTALs on favorable terms. If you're interested in getting more information on that, let me know on my email; david.fiedler@vrgineers.com
Thanks! David
Congrats on the 30k subs!
Thanks man :)
Wow this still holds up by todays standards! I wonder if you can see pixels or SDE when viewing VR video??
Nice video martin, Xtal really is a great company! wish we could get a consume hopefully early next year. oh ya ok next coming up video VR Gameplay! xD
Thanks man! Yep, I think sooner or later we might see it coming hehe ;)
Indeed, I need to play some games for a change. Any suggestions?
@@SweViver Hehe umm let me see, maybe some Triple A game with mod on? Fallout VR or Skyrim VR? Some Racing Sim with mod too? AC OR PC2, if speaking about a game that you didnt upload before i think blades and sorcery... also viveport infinity tones of game you can try if some you didnt own, like Final Assault.
I wish my college education was only $5,000...
Amazing! Hopefully the tech will trickle down at some point in the future ;)
It of course looks amazing; but this 6000 Euro (inc VAT) VR headset of today will be the standard 400 Euro VR head set of tomorrow - or in a few years time anyway.
Sure. The question is. If someone can afford it, are they willing to wait a few years? :)
@@SweViver Yes, that is so very much true ;)
This, along with the VR body suit, will be released to companies, military, and government for simulations and training before commercial use. I can already say, it will take the US military 10-15 years to adopt these forms of training while the rest of the world has it.
A great video, thank you. The resolution is amazing! I don’t use a VR headset for my sim racing, but why is the FOV so distorted? I like an extended FOV as I enjoy seeing the interior of the car, but on my curved screen I don’t have the cigar-shape appearance and spindly arms.
Thanks man. Its only distorted when viewed at a flat monitor of course. In VR there is no distortion, not even in the peripheral edges!
SweViver Aah yes, I should have thought of that. Thanks for the prompt response and clarification ... Much appreciated.
I thoroughly enjoyed (excl. the price) the XTAL headset, when I tried it on (behind the XTAL booth) at VR Days in Amsterdam in 2018! Best quality! I assume the one you tried has a newer and improved firmware as well as display/lens.
Thanks for the well made in-depth video. Specially including the details about the screen and lens difference between Pimax and XTAL... If I could afford this XTAL headset, I'd probably need a bigger room with it too! xD
Hi Armin! Here is David from VRgineers. Thanks for a positive comment on XTAL. :) We're doing our best. If you'd like to know more about getting XTAL on more favorable terms, let me know on my email; david.fiedler@vrgineers.com
Thanks!
David
Fantastic review! I'll be looking into this.
Great Compliment- Sweviver- this was the BEST video -I ever saw - the clearness and contrast by fluent movement-fantastic.. not fore everybody-but for eye-gourmets by special games -events - presentations - also the future of viewing-that we never will get on standard ways.. that is it - and it could make more fun than Hololens - AR - IMAX or something other . you - Sweviver have the most important promotion for an 3 Gen - Headset ..
One thing about what you said is not surprising. Even on a regular monitor, rendering in Native to the monitor is a MUCH sharper image than interpolating pixels by up/down scaling so looks like XTAL has taken the correct approach here and not the wrong one (Pimax). Also, I'm not sure why you mentioned "sweet spot" earlier in the video since you said it has Leap Motion eye tracking? Sweet spot would be wherever you look?
Thank you for another awesome video! I'm impatiently waiting for what Valve is going to offer to us.
Funny intro!!! Watched it twice. And considering the price of Xtal, it is not even exaggerated. What is also interesting is that the Xtal boys managed to reach such high clarity, low SDE and high FOV without using a very high resolution, eliminating the need for foveated rendering. The Oculus team should really look into this...and else i hope they manage to get the price down to consumer level. Very promising thechnology so far (except the size and weight then)
Now the question is which one is better XTAL or StarVR One?
Hi! Here is David from VRgineers (manufacturers of XTAL).
If you'd like to see some benchmark + latest info about XTAL, let me know on my email; david.fiedler@vrgineers.com
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I'm no VR expert, but it seems like the real difference in this headset is in the quality of the lenses. Regardless of advances in technology (panel tech, gfx rendering etc) good lenses are always going to be expensive to produce - just ask a Leica owner. Feels like this grade of quality is still a way off for the consumer market.
Dude this intro was perfect. (even though I'm not that much of a sim fan...yet)
Hi Martin! Could you do a comparative benchmark between RTX 2080 and GTX 1080 Ti? From what I've seen (very limited info everywhere) the RTX 2080 should have much higher VR performance (based on various steam VR benchmarks like cyan room etc) but in reality it seems to perform considerably worse than the 1080 Ti.
U have totally stepped up your game, was a blast to watch ur video, so much more entertaining. Can not afford an Xtal though :-) Really happy to see you back like this! Keep it up
How does the clarity compare to the $650 USD HP Reverb at 2160 X 2160 per eye?
Good question
Good question as I havent tried HP yet. Although, the FOV...
screen door effect removal is definitly possible if you see how little (almost none) screen door the "inferior" psvr has compared to the first iteration rift (havent tried the second so cannot compare)