A bishop or an overseer is not the same thing as being a pastor in charge of a local church. The apostles designated bishops, (plural), in all the local churches to oversee the activities and keep order in the local churches. They never called one person to be in charge as a pastor of a local church. This pastoral call is the most fake thing I have ever heard in church history.
God blessed me with oratory skills and outside in the secular public, people have approached me to give their lives to Jesus. Am I a pastor? Nope. Have I thought about being a pastor? Yup. Have people told me I should be a pastor? Yup. Did seasoned pastors suggest that I be a pastor? Nope. Was that the right choice? Yup. Why? Because I can share the gospel to a special segment of people who may not actually go to a church. Do I have peace about it? Absolutely. Can I still serve and love God with all my heart, soul, and strength? Yes and Amen. May God direct you to fulfill your calling on your life. We are pastors but not all of us deliver sermons every week. I can’t wait to do all that He has called me to do so that in the end, I can say “Praise be to God! What a ride!”
Thanks for this. I went to seminary and was in full-time ministry for the last three years convinced that I was called. But a few months ago a pastor told me that I had a good heart and knowledge and good teaching gifts but that I should not be a pastor. At first I didn't want accept what he told me, but then I realized he was right, so I quit ministry and now I have a secular job. I still cooperate with the church but I now understand that I am not called to be a pastor.
Titus Perhaps the other pastor recognized that you should be teacher, either at a seminary or some other venue? What convinced you that the other pastor was correct?
@@SolidRockAndCo your right but most men havent heard from The LORD that they are pastor's. Is a call and a gift and very few have it very few indeed. We have read the disasters consequences of someone who is self appointed who thought in his delusional corrupt depraved mind that he was called. Do you not see today's Christianity? It's far from Biblical Christianity ! And all mostly because we have usurper,s hirelings in the pulpits that claim they were and are called AND THEY WEREN'T....
Jeremiah 20:9-10 Then I said, “I will not make mention of Him, Nor speak anymore in His name.” But His word was in my heart like a burning fire Shut up in my bones; I was weary of holding it back, And I could not. For I heard many mocking: “Fear on every side!” “Report,” they say, “and we will report it!” All my acquaintances watched for my stumbling, saying, “Perhaps he can be induced; Then we will prevail against him, And we will take our revenge on him.” Perhaps there are many who become pastors because they seek the admiration of the congregation or they enjoy being the one with answers or being seen as close to God. But it is a servant's role and a serious one which should not be entered into lightly because pastors will give an account before God (James 3:1My brethren, let not many of you become teachers, knowing that we shall receive a stricter judgment.). Having a talent, skill, gift, or even a heart that's in the right place is no substitute for a calling from God. If you have that calling you will be like the prophet Jeremiah who could not keep his mouth closed.
Strongly disagree. I have seen excessive “cultural” bias and politics applied in churches over my 20 years of moving around with the Army. Some of our great Christian leaders of today would never have been lauded/ approved by some churches and elders. Go get after it. Learn and teach. The Lord will provide. Just have an open humble heart. I wish more Christians approached their faith from an educational perspective and learned the Bible in a wholistic way. We need more Christians on the street, as organizational Chaplains, in prisons, and just willing to teach to the people around them.
Thanks. I live mouth to mouth food. It's so crazy to me he finds himself more important than anyone's life. Me for one has always been a free thinker. I don't idolize church or so called elders. I had no clue what thst word meant. Self serving man
I'm crying as I listen to this because I'm called to be a preacher and everything he says makes complete sense to me even though I understand the difference between being a pastor and a preacher and he's talking about being a pastor
People need to read the book, "Biblical Eldership, an urgent call to restore biblical church leadership " by Alexander Strauch. You wont find any other source that brings such a precise and clear scriptural breakdown on the topic of elders/pastors. Please read it people.
@@urbanvoice5323 It sure is. I wish all churches and their leaders would have it on their bookshelves. Because I tell you, it would definetly benefit the church and its health
He forgot to mention the holy spirit, he's the one that convinces us to do GOD'S will!!! The flesh is weak, but the SPIRIT is willing!!! But we can all agree it's good to have an Elder or better yet Elder's as mentors!!!
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Amen to knowing for certain whether or not you are called! Yet either way, build up the church body. From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love.
I'd say find one, like look for a church and just remember that no church is perfect, but I feel your pain - it's hard to find a good church with biblically sound elders as you say.
I think that MANY Reformed churches mistakenly conflate the office of Pastor and the office of the Evangelist. Do you have a heart for the lost and reach them with the Good News? Then you are an evangelist. Also, a Pastor is not someone who teaches but also is adept at counseling. I think the Church has an unbliblical understanding at what the true role of a pastor and an evangelist is. They are NOT THE SAME! There is widespread "pastor burnout" because we have made two roles which are biblical distinct into one.
Well Jesus told Peter in John 21 to shepherd and feed his flock. And Jesus tells him and the other disciples in Acts 1 to "be my witnesses in Jerusalem and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth."
This makes sense to me. James 3:1 says “Not many of you should become teachers, my fellow believers, because you know that we who teach will be judged more strictly.” There are so many unfit pastors leading the flock because they “felt” called. The heart is deceitful above all things. Who can know it?(Jer 17:9). Being confirmed by elders and pastors having witnessed the person’s ability to lead a flock is a sure sign of leadership. The bible is full of “eye witness” testimonies. I would personally prefer a pastor who has been affirmed by many other pastors for their leadership ability over credentials or history of family pastors. I personally believe they should get affirmation by 3 or more. More witnesses, the better. I don’t think this is being narrow minded at all. Being a pastor is a serious job and one that should not be taken lightly. The road to eternal life is already narrow. The call to pastoralship I would believe is also narrow.
How do you know you're called? The BIBLE has it .. This person didn't even quote his Scriptural Basis for saying those words . 1 Timothy 3: The Qualification is written and has already been set for a PASTOR (ELDER, BISHOP, used interchangeably) (Sigh)
For my biblical understanding over the last 5-10 years or so reminds me of a sieve or funnel. The funnel is where a mans life experience and subjective opinion are verified over time through circumstances in either an increasing or decreasing manner both inside the church through leadership/congregation and outside, ie a nack for computer programming or an opportunity seemingly from nowhere that gives peace and joy in believing you are ultimately doing what you are supposed to. One thing not mentioned in this video is how God -prepares- different men in different ways at different times the same way there are different species of animals, planet sizes and shapes etc. I don’t believe it is ever “black and white” in that sense and scripture verifies that. It’s also helpful to look at church history to throw a little more light on the shade. I doubt many believe that John Calvin was “called” but could have been just as an effective lawyer as a theologian. It would be ridiculous to think, “What if Spurgeon was actually supposed to be a grocer who got to share the gospel at work everyday.” For some it’s so obvious that it’s impossible to even put a subjective barometer to it, others not so much but still potentially called nonetheless. For me, the funnel works like this, Do you feel called to ministry? Great! Praise the Lord. Follow Paul, are you married? Ever divorced? Kids? Addicted? Do you naturally gravitate toward teaching, theology and “rightly dividing the word of God?” For some, this may not be as obvious in their twenties as it may in 30’s and 40’s etc. as they mature simply as spirit filled believers.But if you are truly called, as Burke also alluded to, the difficulty of the work is the passion and necessity to your soul and -over time- cannot fathom doing anything else in this life and world and finally the funnel end with opportunity, verification and fruit. Repeat.
I feel I am called me a pastor but I don’t feel it’s the right time for me yet. I think part of it is mainly because I don’t have my name quite out there and I don’t know many pastors. I also don’t know many elders at all either. One of the things I’m learning through seminary books that I am reading on my own is you were born to be a pastor. It’s not something you choose but it’s something you become because God makes it so. I do think the elders are a good indicator that you are called but also it’s if God really is calling you in your heart. The reason why the Bible says have a good reputation is not your outside image but rather what the church thinks of you and if they see it in you. I do feel like I’m gonna be a pastor one day but not anytime soon. I don’t feel the timing is right in my life and I feel like I have to mature more in my face and who I am as a person. I fully intend to teach but right now I’m learning how to learn. My pastor has told me what I needed to do which is take five years and go from there. And so my Pastor is telling me the timing isn’t quite right to determine if I am going to be a pastor or not. So, he’s not saying that I’m not going to be but he saying right now the timing is not your time. I just like how straightforward you are about it because it really is straightforward. I can be the wisest most educated person at a seminary but it doesn’t make me qualified to be a pastor. However, I have dreams of preaching even before I was a Christian and I know dreams are a confirmation. But dreams I feel like God gives us to show us our desires, actually subconsciously dream show how you feel. So I have the desire to be at the pulpit but I understand I need to focus on my studies as a person. Not everyone should be a pastor and not everyone should go in the ministry the way that leaders are. Like Dr. Steven Lawson said, there’s two kinds of pastors. You’re either good at the pulpit or you should quit. I’m not the greatest at making friends and I’m not the greatest relationships but that means absolutely nothing to God because God creates pastors. He has complete sovereignty over who he gives authority to in a church and you never know I could become an elder in the future. 🤷🏻♂️ either way I trust in God‘s timing for my calling and I trusting God for the things that I’m doing now. I’m actually realizing how much I need to grow before pursuing being a pastor.
Can anybody give me one verse in the Bible where the Lord or an apostle called someone to be a head pastor in charge of a local church? As a matter of fact, where in the Bible is there any calling from the Lord to someone to be a minister to serve in a local church?
I agree, I am not a preacher yet but I hear the Lords voice calling me to do it. I can feel the intense emotion in my heart and the arms of Jesus around me, telling me to go for it and not to fear, the He is with me every step of the way. That is how I know it is the right road, God will tell you.
This is not biblical. This is only human wisdom and what makes sense in his context. Man’s approval is NOT in the criteria. Gifts of the spirit are to be desired and asked for. Sure, God gives to those who don’t ask, but the scripture says to ask. Most men, even pastors will not approve and try to discourage you. Seek Godly council, but make sure they are counseling you along your path, not advising against it. Recognition of your gift and calling maybe from those you minister to. Also, if you are ministering on the streets, consider the difference in Evangelism and Pastoring. Both are different gifts. 1Corinthians 12:27 “Now you are Christ’s body, and individually parts of it. 28And God has appointed in the church, first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, administrations, and various kinds of tongues. 29All are not apostles, are they? All are not prophets, are they? All are not teachers, are they? All are not workers of miracles, are they? 30All do not have gifts of healings, do they? All do not speak with tongues, do they? All do not interpret, do they? 31But earnestly desire the greater gifts. And yet, I am going to show you a far better way.” Again desire is stated here, as well as criteria; 1Timothy 3 “1This is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work. 2A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach; 3Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous; 4One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity; 5(For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?) 6Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil. 7Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.”
You know, I agree with most of what was said; the exception would be if the box that your current elders are in, or maybe even a wider group of men, is not outside of their circle of influence, it can be devastating for a man who has different culture or teaching approach. there are a lot of mini biblical world views that won't allow; lets say, a truck driver who lacks the language knowledge to take a small congregation because "he can't do anything else".
I thought I was gonna be a pastor, but nobody approves not one person of my family or friend said I’d be good. Oof man Ima just preach a lot I guess ima keep preaching and serve God
I was actually running away from my calling to be a Pastor because I did not fully understand the voice and calling of God on my life. I struggled with this calling and God sent a Prophet whom I did not know to confirm in the Presence of my Sr Pastor and Elders I am called to be a Pastor . I did not want God to call me a 2nd time and then graduated from Bible College got ordained left and Pioneered a Church with my family who were very supportive for 25 years. We are in transition with the Pandemic for God to take me to the next level .
Hello. I have questions. I recently received God in my heart and have stepped aside to let him fully consume me. I woke up at 3am the other day and prayed so that I could fall back to sleep. When I prayed I received a vision that I was holding a microphone and praying over someone. I was afraid, started crying, and began to pray. It's not something I would want to do. As I was praying, there was an earthquake nearby. I looked for "earthquakes during prayer" in the bible and was lead to Acts 16:25-26in the kjv which read "And at midnight Paul and Silas prayed, and sang praises unto God: and the prisoners heard them. And suddenly there was a great earthquake, so that the foundations of the prison were shaken: and immediately all the doors were opened, and every one's bands were loosed." Is this a calling? Or am I looking too deep into this?
Hello. Sometimes I feel like I am called, but I’m gonna be honest. I truly don’t think the pastor calling is for me. I’m not very passionate in preaching, but I do like spreading the word then and there. Sometimes I feel like God is forcing me, and if I don’t, I will be punished. Do you think I’m called, or is it just thoughts messing with me? I’m not passionate in being a pastor, and I do not have the ministry skills. I know God only wants people who want to do the work, but I still have these scary thoughts my mind dwells on, that I will be punished if I don’t choose the pastor path. Am I called, even though I am not passionate? Give me an honest answer. Thank you.
Hey I'm just a teen that loves serving God, but what struck me reading your comment is how you described God punishing you if you don't reach others. Here's the deal, the punishment has been paid for. The reason we do anything as a freed Christian is out of the abundance of our hearts. Genuine joy over the price Christ has paid for his church should move you to want to share that grace with others. It should be out of an overflow of the fruit God has been planting in your heart that you do anything. I hope any of my words help brother :)
@@happywak110 yeah. I actually wanna do this out of my love for God. I now truly believe that I am called to be an evangelist. And I’m not doing this out of being forced, but I’m doing this because of my strong love for God. Thanks for the reply bro 🙏
@@happywak110 also I remember when I was praying when I was younger, I accidentally said “I want to go to Hell”, but I meant to say “I want to go to Heaven”, so I cleared it up by saying “I want to go to Heaven” right after saying “I want to go to Hell”. Will I go to Hell for what I accidentally said? Also I don’t know why I prayed this. This was when I didn’t really know God and I was just scared of going to hell, but now I realized Jesus Christ sacrifice and his love. So my question is, am I going to hell for what I accidentally said?
@@phosphorescent1818 Of course you are saved and are going to heaven! I would turn to passages like Ephesians 1 that say: "Blessed by the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places, *even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world,* that we should be holy and blameless before him. *In love he predestined us for adoption to himself* as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will" (Ephesians 1:3-5) God chose you. If you are a part of his family, he chose you; he did this before the world even began and before you were even created. Romans 8:35 states, "Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or danger, or sword?" and then Paul goes on to say later in verse 38 that "For I am sure that neither death nor life, nor angels nor rulers, nor things present nor things to come, nor powers, nor height nor depth, nor anything else in creation, will be able to separate us from the love of god in Christ Jesus our Lord." No word you could have accidentally said is covered within that list Paul gives (probably under 'anything else in creation' lol) and it could never throw you away from your eternal inheritance. And hey, brother, I love that you have a heart to reach others and evangelize; that's an awesome first step. But I don't want you to neglect the power of knowing God's Word. READ THE BIBLE! If you are not already doing that, I plead with you that you start. For how can you claim that God loves us if you have no evidence for it? And when people come to you with questions like the one you asked me about you going to heaven or hell, you should be prepared or know where to look in the Bible. If we haven't got the Bible, we haven't got much at all. But anyways, much love brother I pray that the Lord would continue to bring you to his truth day in and day out. Keep up the good fight!
@@happywak110 thanks for clearing it up bro. I actually read the Bible everyday. I actually have read scripture and it says to trust Jesus Christ sacrifice that I am saved, but I’ve been having a feeling full of doubt. Even though the Word clearly says I am saved because Jesus Christ is my Lord and Savior. I just have this feeling where I’m going to hell for what I accidentally said even though Jesus Christ is my Lord and Savior. I actually had an evangelist tell me everything is fine and he even gave me some scripture to back it up, but I still doubt it. It’s just so much doubting my salvation, even though in the Bible it says I’m saved. I just gotta stop doubting. I literally am saved but I still doubt it for some reason. I gotta stop doubting. From what you told me, I’m done doubting my salvation. I’m done. Thank you bro. 🙏
What’s the difference between being a pastor and a preacher? What if you feel called to preach the word but not called to be a pastor? Can one be a preacher without being a pastor? Aren’t there itinerary preachers who are not pastors?
yes you can preach and not be a pastor...but you fall in one of the categories of leadership....you can be a deacon and preach....just look up the word preach...it's just meaning declaring, in this case, declaring the gospel...anyone can preach...my 12 year old can preach...or teach...and not be a pastor...
I've never been to seminary. Many of the results I've seen have been speculative at best. This practice of mere "men calling men" into Pastoring is part of the problem of this modern world. This is completely ignoring I Tim 1:3. If I Tim 1:3 is not in place all of the external confirmation in the world will not matter, and will only result in "angry young man" syndrome.
What if I feel called to be a pastor and elders around me all look to me as one anyway. I have no college education and am in a totally different line of work but I have an ability to Understand and make digestible some of the more esoteric teachings. I’m a soldier, I’m flawed but I’m strong in Gods Spirit. He walks with me always and I don’t see college or seminary as a prerequisite. I mean on one hand I do but at the end of the day we’re beating Satan over here all day every day with God. Therefore, I’m as far as my ministry continues to bear Gods Fruits I see no man telling me otherwise. I do appreciate the attempt to dissuade though, it is not easy and definitely not for anyone not literally willing to sacrifice it all to God at any given time. Not easy but like he said in the video when you are doing this already in your daily life it only makes sense to carry over to others.
Plz show this basis and definition of "calling" from scripture. Not interesting in any man's opinion. Nor am I interested claims of being "called by God" any more than I am interested in claims of "speaking in tongues." I've never heard a legit foreign language falling from unlearned lips; I've never heard of a verifiable instance of calling in the last two thousand years. Rather, I look back at the life of the man, at his devotion to accurately teaching the word, at his uncompromising stewardship of the flock. Then I think, "He was likely called." But this idea of unanimous elder confirmation is clearly extrabiblical, and thus utterly worthless.
Agreed. Except, you basing your analysis off of your experience or what you have and haven't 'heard of' - your on your own there. But, your examination of these statements compared to †he Holy Script of Our MASTER seems accurate. YHWH Bless and Keep You, Bro!!!†!!!
1 Corinthians 1:26 ESV / 50 helpful votes For consider your calling, brothers: not many of you were wise according to worldly standards, not many were powerful, not many were of noble birth. The notion of being called to do something for God is ALL throughout scripture. And it is not confined to just ecclesiastical work. Even your “secular” work should be considered a calling, and I don’t think it´s confined by the witness of elders. He also neglected to mention that many are called to be evangelists, which is NOT the same as a pastor.
I honestly believe that pastors are called by God. Who else would appoint Shepards over His flock? If a man is called and is not answering, he will be swallowed by a whale and spat out onto the shore. He won't be able to rest until he gets in the pulpit. He will be called and he will answer God in obedience. God is not ignored.
So that part about "not by constraint, but willingly" isn't correct? 1 The elders which are among you I exhort, who am also an elder, and a witness of the sufferings of Christ, and also a partaker of the glory that shall be revealed: 1 Peter 5:1 2 Feed the flock of God which is among you, taking the oversight thereof, not by constraint, but willingly; not for filthy lucre, but of a ready mind; 1 Peter 5:2 3 Neither as being lords over God's heritage, but being examples to the flock. 1 Peter 5:3
Too bad he confined the notion of calling to just pastors. What about those Christians who have a burden for the lost? What about those who have never been confronted with the Gospel much less know about the Gospel? Is there not a need for more evangelists? Did not Jesus say “Pray that the Lord send out more into the harvest”?
Yes, there are many other "callings". But, here, I think Pastor Burk was addressing the particular question asked, as given in the video title, about "pastoral calling".
The word Pastor is not a calling its a gift. There is no scripture in the bible that support direct the calling of a pastor. Jesus said to the disciples GO! That commission is for the body of Christ. One does not have to be the Leader of a church to be called pastor. A pastor's assignment is to teach, nurture, and to help in guiding the believers according to the word. From the beginning the Elders are the ones that were in authority or head of the local church.
i don't agree with this...this is not all together true...because god has spoken to me, in a clear voice...he calls me pastor. you pastor sometimes won't even see your talents...people keep calling me prophet...but there is a burden and a calling to lead and sheperd gods people on me...it's very heavy....the church calls me prophet...but people in the world calls me something else...they are looking to me to sheperd them...my professors in college keeps telling me i should teach them...my leader in my church didn't see the mantel on my life to preach the gospel. when i told him that god is calling me to preach...he said i didn't see that...but i knew i was called since i was a child...god told me that i was going grown pastors...and he's giving me instuctions...he has said he is going to morf me into an apostle...he is training me for that office. he has visited me three times...the first time visited me, he just laid my head in his lap...2nd time he visited me, he spoke to me...and the 3rd time he visited me...he spoke...he told me that i will be soon an apostle who pastors and he wants me to study that office...so i'm not fully in agreement with this that a leader has to tell you to do it...they can't see everything...my leader don't even let prophets go forth...but others do recognize who i am...and i been knowing since i was a little girl...so i don't fully agree with this...
This is just wrong. The general idea ias a good idea. But, prove what you are saying from YHWH'S Holy Word! GOD Calls whoever HE Pleases, whenever HE Pleases, however HE Pleases -through whatever means and process HE Chooses. Ahmein
No. There is a biblical way for the elders to elect and lay hands and the candidates are being made evident amongst us. As of today it looks that the reasoning for anointing new people in ministry is more subjective than objective and the obvious calling it is being disregarded in favour to those who obey theeade4s rather than those who follow tge Scriptures. This statement is highly irregular and it should be rephrased, but lot of prayer and fasting is needed. Very disappointing and saddening this video. Makes all the rest untrustworthy. Please reconsider.
No offense. But this should be a personal matter. There are so many factors thst effect pepple. I for one will never idolize any padtor. And the people thst need this may have missed the point. Honestly. My humble opinion is i dislike people making money on u tube and reaching culnerable people. No. Jesus calls to each person individually.
This is foul. Before we put restrictions on something, we should have clear Word from GOD. Let's refer to GOD in HIS Holy Script. This runs off of a lot of assumptions that are not true for everyone. If someone doesn't pass the torch as they should, The LORD still Chooses who HE Wants by whatever means HE Wants.
From the looks of it we have a lot of self-called "pastors" in the comments. God's way of affirming men in the ministry is through the elders of a local church. By your independent and rebellious reaction to God's ordained means you show why you're not fit for the pastorate.
Dylan as an Elder we believe you should stay off the internet and keep your subjective comments to yourself. Accept our wisdom and don’t be independent and rebellious
@@FactsNC300 Scripture is God's authority and He has told us to obey our leaders in the church. Obey your leaders and submit to them, for they keep watch over your souls as those who will give an account. Let them do this with joy and not with grief, for this would be unprofitable for you. - Hebrews 13:17 Rebellion against God's ordained authority IS rebellion against God. Maybe learn a little scripture before you comment next time.
@@1689solas You should do a word study on "Obey" (Peitho in greek) and utilize Systematic Theologic of Leadership. You leaders are not God and your elders today are not didactic in the same way as before. More importantly, men do not override God's will and word... #do better
I disagree because of James 3:1. There are so many unfit pastors leading the flock because they “felt” called. The heart is deceitful above all things. Who can know it?(Jer 17:9). Being confirmed by elders and pastors having witnessed the person’s ability to lead a flock is a sure sign of leadership. The bible is full of “eye witness” testimonies. I would personally prefer a pastor who has been confirmed by many other pastors for their leadership ability over credentials or history of family pastors.
I think you guys are reading into my words. Let me clarify I didn’t say people need to feel something to be called pastors, I am just saying affirmed by other means also can be valid reasons. For example, prophecy, dreams, mother’s dedication to God when the child was born, affirmed by seminaries, affirmed by Christian friends, affirmed by one’s situation, gift, Spirit’s guidance and so on. I am not denying you should be affirmed by pastors and elders, it surely is one of the many ways, but it is not the only way.
Susan Oh i totally agree with you. But my worry is that what if those pastors are the pastors that shouldn’t be pastors and you are affirmed by them? I think it is in the end, your life and calling and God’s guidance, and your life’s account and good example, that you will know by your life whether you should be pastors or not
This is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work.
1 Timothy 3:1 KJV
A bishop or an overseer is not the same thing as being a pastor in charge of a local church. The apostles designated bishops, (plural), in all the local churches to oversee the activities and keep order in the local churches. They never called one person to be in charge as a pastor of a local church. This pastoral call is the most fake thing I have ever heard in church history.
I’m entering ministry currently. My pastor said there are three things needed. A strong desire, the gifting, and the approval of the elders.
I had many ways to be assured in my calling. But what you said towards the end is so true.
God blessed me with oratory skills and outside in the secular public, people have approached me to give their lives to Jesus. Am I a pastor? Nope. Have I thought about being a pastor? Yup. Have people told me I should be a pastor? Yup. Did seasoned pastors suggest that I be a pastor? Nope. Was that the right choice? Yup. Why? Because I can share the gospel to a special segment of people who may not actually go to a church. Do I have peace about it? Absolutely. Can I still serve and love God with all my heart, soul, and strength? Yes and Amen. May God direct you to fulfill your calling on your life. We are pastors but not all of us deliver sermons every week. I can’t wait to do all that He has called me to do so that in the end, I can say “Praise be to God! What a ride!”
Anson Sat could you be wrong, Yup. Could your opinion be subjective and lacking, absolutely.
Thanks for this. I went to seminary and was in full-time ministry for the last three years convinced that I was called. But a few months ago a pastor told me that I had a good heart and knowledge and good teaching gifts but that I should not be a pastor. At first I didn't want accept what he told me, but then I realized he was right, so I quit ministry and now I have a secular job. I still cooperate with the church but I now understand that I am not called to be a pastor.
Titus why did he say you should not pastor?
Titus Perhaps the other pastor recognized that you should be teacher, either at a seminary or some other venue? What convinced you that the other pastor was correct?
@@TesterBoy Wellsaid...
God doesn't call you a pastor then take it away coz someone just said you shouldn't be this or that.
@@SolidRockAndCo your right but most men havent heard from The LORD that they are pastor's. Is a call and a gift and very few have it very few indeed. We have read the disasters consequences of someone who is self appointed who thought in his delusional corrupt depraved mind that he was called. Do you not see today's Christianity? It's far from Biblical Christianity ! And all mostly because we have usurper,s hirelings in the pulpits that claim they were and are called AND THEY WEREN'T....
Lets not forget the requirments founds in the Bible itself. The lettters to Timothy and Titus give such clear qualifications of such a role.
And the elders would be the one who use this requirements as the criteria.....
How about a body of believers with no elders?
@@johnwarren3789 assuming that's all you have but normal means is by the elders and affirmation by the church.
Jeremiah 20:9-10
Then I said, “I will not make mention of Him, Nor speak anymore in His name.” But His word was in my heart like a burning fire Shut up in my bones; I was weary of holding it back, And I could not. For I heard many mocking: “Fear on every side!” “Report,” they say, “and we will report it!” All my acquaintances watched for my stumbling, saying, “Perhaps he can be induced; Then we will prevail against him, And we will take our revenge on him.”
Perhaps there are many who become pastors because they seek the admiration of the congregation or they enjoy being the one with answers or being seen as close to God. But it is a servant's role and a serious one which should not be entered into lightly because pastors will give an account before God (James 3:1My brethren, let not many of you become teachers, knowing that we shall receive a stricter judgment.). Having a talent, skill, gift, or even a heart that's in the right place is no substitute for a calling from God. If you have that calling you will be like the prophet Jeremiah who could not keep his mouth closed.
Yes, it is not just a matter of gifting, it is not just a matter of learning. It is a matter of calling. Thanks for uploading :-)
And affirmation by the elders.
@@1689solas Oh yes, thanks, forgot to include
Thank you
Wise words from a wise and godly man.
The most important thing to be a pastor is to be redeemed ,born again. To love GOD, the word of GOD, to glorify Jesus Christ and to love His church.
Thank you for posting this video! It helped me understand some questions and concerns that I had in my spirit regarding my calling in this world.
Strongly disagree. I have seen excessive “cultural” bias and politics applied in churches over my 20 years of moving around with the Army. Some of our great Christian leaders of today would never have been lauded/ approved by some churches and elders. Go get after it. Learn and teach. The Lord will provide. Just have an open humble heart. I wish more Christians approached their faith from an educational perspective and learned the Bible in a wholistic way. We need more Christians on the street, as organizational Chaplains, in prisons, and just willing to teach to the people around them.
I couldn't agree more.
Thanks. I live mouth to mouth food. It's so crazy to me he finds himself more important than anyone's life. Me for one has always been a free thinker. I don't idolize church or so called elders. I had no clue what thst word meant. Self serving man
Amen amen I love how he broke that down he answered my questions. Glory be God.
I'm crying as I listen to this because I'm called to be a preacher and everything he says makes complete sense to me even though I understand the difference between being a pastor and a preacher and he's talking about being a pastor
People need to read the book, "Biblical Eldership, an urgent call to restore biblical church leadership " by Alexander Strauch. You wont find any other source that brings such a precise and clear scriptural breakdown on the topic of elders/pastors. Please read it people.
Its the best book I've read on it!
@@urbanvoice5323 It sure is. I wish all churches and their leaders would have it on their bookshelves. Because I tell you, it would definetly benefit the church and its health
Yes!
He forgot to mention the holy spirit, he's the one that convinces us to do GOD'S will!!! The flesh is weak, but the SPIRIT is willing!!! But we can all agree it's good to have an Elder or better yet Elder's as mentors!!!
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He says only to be a pastor if you keep hearing the call over and over again
我很认同，我可听懂但不会翻译，这个视频大概就是在讲你要有教会中的长者还有牧师的认可然后经常听到呼召才可以去当牧师。
Amen to knowing for certain whether or not you are called! Yet either way, build up the church body. From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love.
What if you don't have a biblical church with biblically sound elders?
I'd say find one, like look for a church and just remember that no church is perfect, but I feel your pain - it's hard to find a good church with biblically sound elders as you say.
This is a wise and well thought out bit of information, thank you
I think that MANY Reformed churches mistakenly conflate the office of Pastor and the office of the Evangelist. Do you have a heart for the lost and reach them with the Good News? Then you are an evangelist. Also, a Pastor is not someone who teaches but also is adept at counseling. I think the Church has an unbliblical understanding at what the true role of a pastor and an evangelist is. They are NOT THE SAME! There is widespread "pastor burnout" because we have made two roles which are biblical distinct into one.
Well Jesus told Peter in John 21 to shepherd and feed his flock. And Jesus tells him and the other disciples in Acts 1 to "be my witnesses in Jerusalem and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth."
This makes sense to me. James 3:1 says “Not many of you should become teachers, my fellow believers, because you know that we who teach will be judged more strictly.” There are so many unfit pastors leading the flock because they “felt” called. The heart is deceitful above all things. Who can know it?(Jer 17:9). Being confirmed by elders and pastors having witnessed the person’s ability to lead a flock is a sure sign of leadership. The bible is full of “eye witness” testimonies. I would personally prefer a pastor who has been affirmed by many other pastors for their leadership ability over credentials or history of family pastors. I personally believe they should get affirmation by 3 or more. More witnesses, the better. I don’t think this is being narrow minded at all. Being a pastor is a serious job and one that should not be taken lightly. The road to eternal life is already narrow. The call to pastoralship I would believe is also narrow.
How do you know you're called?
The BIBLE has it ..
This person didn't even quote his Scriptural Basis for saying those words .
1 Timothy 3: The Qualification is written and has already been set for a PASTOR (ELDER, BISHOP, used interchangeably)
(Sigh)
I wanted NO parts of being a pastor. But at least three told me I will be a pastor. I'm waiting on the Holy Spirit to call me to serve.
Has God called you to be a pastor as of recent?
I’ve been called to be a preacher.
@@ManofValor what exactly was the turning point for you to become a pastor? How did the Holy Spirit call you to serve as a pastor?
@@HIM27th Well, I'm not yet a pastor. I've been told by prophets that my calling is to be a preacher of the gospel.
For my biblical understanding over the last 5-10 years or so reminds me of a sieve or funnel. The funnel is where a mans life experience and subjective opinion are verified over time through circumstances in either an increasing or decreasing manner both inside the church through leadership/congregation and outside, ie a nack for computer programming or an opportunity seemingly from nowhere that gives peace and joy in believing you are ultimately doing what you are supposed to. One thing not mentioned in this video is how God -prepares- different men in different ways at different times the same way there are different species of animals, planet sizes and shapes etc. I don’t believe it is ever “black and white” in that sense and scripture verifies that. It’s also helpful to look at church history to throw a little more light on the shade. I doubt many believe that John Calvin was “called” but could have been just as an effective lawyer as a theologian. It would be ridiculous to think, “What if Spurgeon was actually supposed to be a grocer who got to share the gospel at work everyday.” For some it’s so obvious that it’s impossible to even put a subjective barometer to it, others not so much but still potentially called nonetheless. For me, the funnel works like this, Do you feel called to ministry? Great! Praise the Lord. Follow Paul, are you married? Ever divorced? Kids? Addicted? Do you naturally gravitate toward teaching, theology and “rightly dividing the word of God?” For some, this may not be as obvious in their twenties as it may in 30’s and 40’s etc. as they mature simply as spirit filled believers.But if you are truly called, as Burke also alluded to, the difficulty of the work is the passion and necessity to your soul and -over time- cannot fathom doing anything else in this life and world and finally the funnel end with opportunity, verification and fruit. Repeat.
I feel I am called me a pastor but I don’t feel it’s the right time for me yet. I think part of it is mainly because I don’t have my name quite out there and I don’t know many pastors. I also don’t know many elders at all either. One of the things I’m learning through seminary books that I am reading on my own is you were born to be a pastor. It’s not something you choose but it’s something you become because God makes it so. I do think the elders are a good indicator that you are called but also it’s if God really is calling you in your heart. The reason why the Bible says have a good reputation is not your outside image but rather what the church thinks of you and if they see it in you.
I do feel like I’m gonna be a pastor one day but not anytime soon. I don’t feel the timing is right in my life and I feel like I have to mature more in my face and who I am as a person. I fully intend to teach but right now I’m learning how to learn. My pastor has told me what I needed to do which is take five years and go from there. And so my Pastor is telling me the timing isn’t quite right to determine if I am going to be a pastor or not. So, he’s not saying that I’m not going to be but he saying right now the timing is not your time.
I just like how straightforward you are about it because it really is straightforward. I can be the wisest most educated person at a seminary but it doesn’t make me qualified to be a pastor. However, I have dreams of preaching even before I was a Christian and I know dreams are a confirmation. But dreams I feel like God gives us to show us our desires, actually subconsciously dream show how you feel. So I have the desire to be at the pulpit but I understand I need to focus on my studies as a person. Not everyone should be a pastor and not everyone should go in the ministry the way that leaders are.
Like Dr. Steven Lawson said, there’s two kinds of pastors. You’re either good at the pulpit or you should quit.
I’m not the greatest at making friends and I’m not the greatest relationships but that means absolutely nothing to God because God creates pastors. He has complete sovereignty over who he gives authority to in a church and you never know I could become an elder in the future. 🤷🏻♂️ either way I trust in God‘s timing for my calling and I trusting God for the things that I’m doing now. I’m actually realizing how much I need to grow before pursuing being a pastor.
What about being a Director of ministry?
I think this video would have been better if he gave more scriptures because some people are slow.
Can anybody give me one verse in the Bible where the Lord or an apostle called someone to be a head pastor in charge of a local church? As a matter of fact, where in the Bible is there any calling from the Lord to someone to be a minister to serve in a local church?
What about the Holy Spirit that’s calls you first and wise leaders.
Ya, I agree. I thought he was going to say if God calls you and the elders confirm God's calling. God always MUST come first in everything.
I agree, I am not a preacher yet but I hear the Lords voice calling me to do it. I can feel the intense emotion in my heart and the arms of Jesus around me, telling me to go for it and not to fear, the He is with me every step of the way. That is how I know it is the right road, God will tell you.
This is not biblical. This is only human wisdom and what makes sense in his context. Man’s approval is NOT in the criteria. Gifts of the spirit are to be desired and asked for. Sure, God gives to those who don’t ask, but the scripture says to ask.
Most men, even pastors will not approve and try to discourage you. Seek Godly council, but make sure they are counseling you along your path, not advising against it. Recognition of your gift and calling maybe from those you minister to. Also, if you are ministering on the streets, consider the difference in Evangelism and Pastoring. Both are different gifts.
1Corinthians 12:27 “Now you are Christ’s body, and individually parts of it. 28And God has appointed in the church, first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, administrations, and various kinds of tongues. 29All are not apostles, are they? All are not prophets, are they? All are not teachers, are they? All are not workers of miracles, are they? 30All do not have gifts of healings, do they? All do not speak with tongues, do they? All do not interpret, do they? 31But earnestly desire the greater gifts.
And yet, I am going to show you a far better way.”
Again desire is stated here, as well as criteria;
1Timothy 3
“1This is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work. 2A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach; 3Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous; 4One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity; 5(For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?) 6Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil. 7Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.”
You know, I agree with most of what was said; the exception would be if the box that your current elders are in, or maybe even a wider group of men, is not outside of their circle of influence, it can be devastating for a man who has different culture or teaching approach. there are a lot of mini biblical world views that won't allow; lets say, a truck driver who lacks the language knowledge to take a small congregation because "he can't do anything else".
I did not and still do not want to be a Pastor. But I had to answer the call
What if your pastor said you are going to replace him but you don't want to do it?
Run away!
I thought I was gonna be a pastor, but nobody approves not one person of my family or friend said I’d be good. Oof man Ima just preach a lot I guess ima keep preaching and serve God
I was actually running away from my calling to be a Pastor because I did not fully understand the voice and calling of God on my life. I struggled with this calling and God sent a Prophet whom I did not know to confirm in the Presence of my Sr Pastor and Elders I am called to be a Pastor . I did not want God to call me a 2nd time and then graduated from Bible College got ordained left and Pioneered a Church with my family who were very supportive for 25 years. We are in transition with the Pandemic for God to take me to the next level .
Hello. I have questions. I recently received God in my heart and have stepped aside to let him fully consume me. I woke up at 3am the other day and prayed so that I could fall back to sleep. When I prayed I received a vision that I was holding a microphone and praying over someone. I was afraid, started crying, and began to pray. It's not something I would want to do. As I was praying, there was an earthquake nearby. I looked for "earthquakes during prayer" in the bible and was lead to Acts 16:25-26in the kjv which read "And at midnight Paul and Silas prayed, and sang praises unto God: and the prisoners heard them. And suddenly there was a great earthquake, so that the foundations of the prison were shaken: and immediately all the doors were opened, and every one's bands were loosed." Is this a calling? Or am I looking too deep into this?
Hello. Sometimes I feel like I am called, but I’m gonna be honest. I truly don’t think the pastor calling is for me. I’m not very passionate in preaching, but I do like spreading the word then and there. Sometimes I feel like God is forcing me, and if I don’t, I will be punished. Do you think I’m called, or is it just thoughts messing with me? I’m not passionate in being a pastor, and I do not have the ministry skills. I know God only wants people who want to do the work, but I still have these scary thoughts my mind dwells on, that I will be punished if I don’t choose the pastor path. Am I called, even though I am not passionate? Give me an honest answer. Thank you.
Hey I'm just a teen that loves serving God, but what struck me reading your comment is how you described God punishing you if you don't reach others. Here's the deal, the punishment has been paid for. The reason we do anything as a freed Christian is out of the abundance of our hearts. Genuine joy over the price Christ has paid for his church should move you to want to share that grace with others. It should be out of an overflow of the fruit God has been planting in your heart that you do anything. I hope any of my words help brother :)
@@happywak110 yeah. I actually wanna do this out of my love for God. I now truly believe that I am called to be an evangelist. And I’m not doing this out of being forced, but I’m doing this because of my strong love for God. Thanks for the reply bro 🙏
@@happywak110 also I remember when I was praying when I was younger, I accidentally said “I want to go to Hell”, but I meant to say “I want to go to Heaven”, so I cleared it up by saying “I want to go to Heaven” right after saying “I want to go to Hell”. Will I go to Hell for what I accidentally said? Also I don’t know why I prayed this. This was when I didn’t really know God and I was just scared of going to hell, but now I realized Jesus Christ sacrifice and his love. So my question is, am I going to hell for what I accidentally said?
@@phosphorescent1818 Of course you are saved and are going to heaven! I would turn to passages like Ephesians 1 that say:
"Blessed by the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places, *even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world,* that we should be holy and blameless before him. *In love he predestined us for adoption to himself* as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will" (Ephesians 1:3-5)
God chose you. If you are a part of his family, he chose you; he did this before the world even began and before you were even created. Romans 8:35 states, "Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or danger, or sword?" and then Paul goes on to say later in verse 38 that "For I am sure that neither death nor life, nor angels nor rulers, nor things present nor things to come, nor powers, nor height nor depth, nor anything else in creation, will be able to separate us from the love of god in Christ Jesus our Lord."
No word you could have accidentally said is covered within that list Paul gives (probably under 'anything else in creation' lol) and it could never throw you away from your eternal inheritance. And hey, brother, I love that you have a heart to reach others and evangelize; that's an awesome first step. But I don't want you to neglect the power of knowing God's Word. READ THE BIBLE! If you are not already doing that, I plead with you that you start. For how can you claim that God loves us if you have no evidence for it? And when people come to you with questions like the one you asked me about you going to heaven or hell, you should be prepared or know where to look in the Bible. If we haven't got the Bible, we haven't got much at all. But anyways, much love brother I pray that the Lord would continue to bring you to his truth day in and day out. Keep up the good fight!
@@happywak110 thanks for clearing it up bro. I actually read the Bible everyday. I actually have read scripture and it says to trust Jesus Christ sacrifice that I am saved, but I’ve been having a feeling full of doubt. Even though the Word clearly says I am saved because Jesus Christ is my Lord and Savior. I just have this feeling where I’m going to hell for what I accidentally said even though Jesus Christ is my Lord and Savior. I actually had an evangelist tell me everything is fine and he even gave me some scripture to back it up, but I still doubt it. It’s just so much doubting my salvation, even though in the Bible it says I’m saved. I just gotta stop doubting. I literally am saved but I still doubt it for some reason. I gotta stop doubting. From what you told me, I’m done doubting my salvation. I’m done. Thank you bro. 🙏
What’s the difference between being a pastor and a preacher? What if you feel called to preach the word but not called to be a pastor? Can one be a preacher without being a pastor? Aren’t there itinerary preachers who are not pastors?
yes you can preach and not be a pastor...but you fall in one of the categories of leadership....you can be a deacon and preach....just look up the word preach...it's just meaning declaring, in this case, declaring the gospel...anyone can preach...my 12 year old can preach...or teach...and not be a pastor...
Amen
Elohim called me Pastor/Prophetess/apostolic
God calls you
I've never been to seminary. Many of the results I've seen have been speculative at best. This practice of mere "men calling men" into Pastoring is part of the problem of this modern world. This is completely ignoring I Tim 1:3. If I Tim 1:3 is not in place all of the external confirmation in the world will not matter, and will only result in "angry young man" syndrome.
Now I'm clear,not a pastor.
Same.
What if I feel called to be a pastor and elders around me all look to me as one anyway. I have no college education and am in a totally different line of work but I have an ability to Understand and make digestible some of the more esoteric teachings. I’m a soldier, I’m flawed but I’m strong in Gods Spirit. He walks with me always and I don’t see college or seminary as a prerequisite. I mean on one hand I do but at the end of the day we’re beating Satan over here all day every day with God. Therefore, I’m as far as my ministry continues to bear Gods Fruits I see no man telling me otherwise. I do appreciate the attempt to dissuade though, it is not easy and definitely not for anyone not literally willing to sacrifice it all to God at any given time. Not easy but like he said in the video when you are doing this already in your daily life it only makes sense to carry over to others.
Plz show this basis and definition of "calling" from scripture. Not interesting in any man's opinion.
Nor am I interested claims of being "called by God" any more than I am interested in claims of "speaking in tongues." I've never heard a legit foreign language falling from unlearned lips; I've never heard of a verifiable instance of calling in the last two thousand years.
Rather, I look back at the life of the man, at his devotion to accurately teaching the word, at his uncompromising stewardship of the flock. Then I think, "He was likely called."
But this idea of unanimous elder confirmation is clearly extrabiblical, and thus utterly worthless.
Agreed. Except, you basing your analysis off of your experience or what you have and haven't 'heard of' - your on your own there. But, your examination of these statements compared to †he Holy Script of Our MASTER seems accurate. YHWH Bless and Keep You, Bro!!!†!!!
@@Chirhopher Chapter and verse plz.
Perhaps one of several ways a calling comes. Not entirely
1 Corinthians 1:26 ESV / 50 helpful votes
For consider your calling, brothers: not many of you were wise according to worldly standards, not many were powerful, not many were of noble birth.
The notion of being called to do something for God is ALL throughout scripture. And it is not confined to just ecclesiastical work. Even your “secular” work should be considered a calling, and I don’t think it´s confined by the witness of elders. He also neglected to mention that many are called to be evangelists, which is NOT the same as a pastor.
I honestly believe that pastors are called by God. Who else would appoint Shepards over His flock? If a man is called and is not answering, he will be swallowed by a whale and spat out onto the shore. He won't be able to rest until he gets in the pulpit. He will be called and he will answer God in obedience. God is not ignored.
So that part about "not by constraint, but willingly" isn't correct?
1 The elders which are among you I exhort, who am also an elder, and a witness of the sufferings of Christ, and also a partaker of the glory that shall be revealed:
1 Peter 5:1
2 Feed the flock of God which is among you, taking the oversight thereof, not by constraint, but willingly; not for filthy lucre, but of a ready mind;
1 Peter 5:2
3 Neither as being lords over God's heritage, but being examples to the flock.
1 Peter 5:3
Too bad he confined the notion of calling to just pastors. What about those Christians who have a burden for the lost? What about those who have never been confronted with the Gospel much less know about the Gospel? Is there not a need for more evangelists? Did not Jesus say “Pray that the Lord send out more into the harvest”?
Yes, there are many other "callings". But, here, I think Pastor Burk was addressing the particular question asked, as given in the video title, about "pastoral calling".
The word Pastor is not a calling its a gift. There is no scripture in the bible that support direct the calling of a pastor. Jesus said to the disciples GO! That commission is for the body of Christ. One does not have to be the Leader of a church to be called pastor. A pastor's assignment is to teach, nurture, and to help in guiding the believers according to the word. From the beginning the Elders are the ones that were in authority or head of the local church.
saying that the elders should determine this is absolutely wrong. GOD calls us, not our elders.
God chooses not Elders
i don't agree with this...this is not all together true...because god has spoken to me, in a clear voice...he calls me pastor. you pastor sometimes won't even see your talents...people keep calling me prophet...but there is a burden and a calling to lead and sheperd gods people on me...it's very heavy....the church calls me prophet...but people in the world calls me something else...they are looking to me to sheperd them...my professors in college keeps telling me i should teach them...my leader in my church didn't see the mantel on my life to preach the gospel. when i told him that god is calling me to preach...he said i didn't see that...but i knew i was called since i was a child...god told me that i was going grown pastors...and he's giving me instuctions...he has said he is going to morf me into an apostle...he is training me for that office. he has visited me three times...the first time visited me, he just laid my head in his lap...2nd time he visited me, he spoke to me...and the 3rd time he visited me...he spoke...he told me that i will be soon an apostle who pastors and he wants me to study that office...so i'm not fully in agreement with this that a leader has to tell you to do it...they can't see everything...my leader don't even let prophets go forth...but others do recognize who i am...and i been knowing since i was a little girl...so i don't fully agree with this...
Where in the NT God called a woman to be an Apostle? U r lying.
LORD HAVE MERCY PLEASE... Bruised and Burdened e.v.e.r.y hour of e.v.e.r.y day of your life... Sir...
This is just wrong. The general idea ias a good idea. But, prove what you are saying from YHWH'S Holy Word! GOD Calls whoever HE Pleases, whenever HE Pleases, however HE Pleases -through whatever means and process HE Chooses. Ahmein
I agree.
No. There is a biblical way for the elders to elect and lay hands and the candidates are being made evident amongst us. As of today it looks that the reasoning for anointing new people in ministry is more subjective than objective and the obvious calling it is being disregarded in favour to those who obey theeade4s rather than those who follow tge Scriptures. This statement is highly irregular and it should be rephrased, but lot of prayer and fasting is needed. Very disappointing and saddening this video. Makes all the rest untrustworthy. Please reconsider.
It’s a job.
No offense. But this should be a personal matter. There are so many factors thst effect pepple. I for one will never idolize any padtor. And the people thst need this may have missed the point. Honestly. My humble opinion is i dislike people making money on u tube and reaching culnerable people. No. Jesus calls to each person individually.
This isn't a answer, if this is true who called luther, or C.H.S
That call can only come from god
Hint #1: It has nothing to do with wearing a suit nor your love for ties.
I don't believe they said anything about suits and ties?
@@1689solas Yet they all wear them...
It is the greatest unspoken secret then?
@@zippymax1 what's wrong with that?
Like these two men are not wearing ties. It's tough being a pastor when even wearing a suit and tie is looked down upon.
@@zippymax1 You're acting like a child.
This is foul. Before we put restrictions on something, we should have clear Word from GOD. Let's refer to GOD in HIS Holy Script. This runs off of a lot of assumptions that are not true for everyone. If someone doesn't pass the torch as they should, The LORD still Chooses who HE Wants by whatever means HE Wants.
Find that in the New Testament.
Reformed theology believes EVERYTHING is predestined and, therefore, you will become a pastor, whether you like it not! Deal with it.
From the looks of it we have a lot of self-called "pastors" in the comments. God's way of affirming men in the ministry is through the elders of a local church. By your independent and rebellious reaction to God's ordained means you show why you're not fit for the pastorate.
Dylan as an Elder we believe you should stay off the internet and keep your subjective comments to yourself. Accept our wisdom and don’t be independent and rebellious
@@FactsNC300 I'm under the authority of the elders of my local church, not any elder.
Dylan sounds like you are in a cult. I pray you learn to be under Gods authority and not 👨
@@FactsNC300 Scripture is God's authority and He has told us to obey our leaders in the church.
Obey your leaders and submit to them, for they keep watch over your souls as those who will give an account. Let them do this with joy and not with grief, for this would be unprofitable for you.
- Hebrews 13:17
Rebellion against God's ordained authority IS rebellion against God. Maybe learn a little scripture before you comment next time.
@@1689solas You should do a word study on "Obey" (Peitho in greek) and utilize Systematic Theologic of Leadership. You leaders are not God and your elders today are not didactic in the same way as before. More importantly, men do not override God's will and word... #do better
for this reason, JESUS was a layman.... jajajajajaja lol!!!
I think this is a bit narrow minded, that you have to be affirmed by elders or pastors. That is just one way. But not only way.
You're right. This is just God's way but there are other ways that aren't his will for sure.
I disagree because of James 3:1. There are so many unfit pastors leading the flock because they “felt” called. The heart is deceitful above all things. Who can know it?(Jer 17:9). Being confirmed by elders and pastors having witnessed the person’s ability to lead a flock is a sure sign of leadership. The bible is full of “eye witness” testimonies. I would personally prefer a pastor who has been confirmed by many other pastors for their leadership ability over credentials or history of family pastors.
I think you guys are reading into my words. Let me clarify I didn’t say people need to feel something to be called pastors, I am just saying affirmed by other means also can be valid reasons. For example, prophecy, dreams, mother’s dedication to God when the child was born, affirmed by seminaries, affirmed by Christian friends, affirmed by one’s situation, gift, Spirit’s guidance and so on.
I am not denying you should be affirmed by pastors and elders, it surely is one of the many ways, but it is not the only way.
Susan Oh i totally agree with you. But my worry is that what if those pastors are the pastors that shouldn’t be pastors and you are affirmed by them? I think it is in the end, your life and calling and God’s guidance, and your life’s account and good example, that you will know by your life whether you should be pastors or not
Dylan i don’t know what you mean. You are just making a statement.
Good question, stupid answer.