C.H. Spurgeon was the first first place I came across the phrase, 'If you can do anything else, by all means do it.' And that is in his "Lectures to my Students". It was reading that line in his lectures that gave me the confidence to 'do something else.' Also, Dallimore's "Whitefield" is likely one of the most compelling encouragements to ministry. Great segment.
Thank you so much for explaining this. I am interested in the ministry, and I have felt moved by the Gospel, and I really just want to burst because of all I could say about it. It is truly exciting to me when someone asks me about something Biblical, or about our theology. I am about to talk with my elders in my church about this and ask where to go from here, if at all. Anyway, thank you for presenting this topic.
I would add as a first priority see if this man truly cares for God's sheep. I have seen more than one pastor/elder who can talk the talk with the best of them but whose walk is amazingly self-exalting. In the pastoral epistles most of the qualifying traits are about character.
"We are not all called to the same work, but we're all called to the same faith." I think, I'm pretty sure that was Dr. Martyn Loyd Jones who said that, as well.
This is all good advice but doesn’t touch the one big problem I see. The church in many ages, including this one, has been saddled with an abundance of poor leadership. And even when you have good leadership, generally speaking, they can be horrendous at choosing their successors. I think there are times and places when young men may feel the call of reform, and they may well feel totally isolated like Elijah, and they may need to go out into the fray without anyone’s blessing. Of course, this is normally a recipe for disaster. And one would need to discern between being an actual “Elijah” and just another thick-headed Lone Ranger.
Sometimes what people look for in a leader (teaching elder, church planter, etc.) is not necessarily what is actually helpful. I doubt most Christians are really looking for godly spiritual oversight and good discernment with the word. But maybe I'm just a pessimist.
Preaching the gospel is a responsible position Not all are qualified In today's climate with bibles books Tapes CDs it's not the same situation So many schools of thought on doctrine it's better to read bible Ones self and trust holy spirit to guide and teach All the preacher can do is give his interpretation After all unregenerated people can preach 2cor11v14.15!
I know I'm called, as like a mystery, I'm constantly having to correct, ordained ministers. It's not like I'm trying to, it's just a matter of catching them in a lie. Just like the gospel. It is according to Christ, not about Christ. Moses didn't give the Jews the ten commandments, God gave the Israelites, the commandments. The Jews, are but one of the 12 tribes, that recieved them. What's going on, when ordained ministers, can't even get the basics? Sunday keepers, not that there's anything wrong with it?
@@captainrogers2790 Small Problem. The Jews are but ONE tribe of the 12. Judah, (the Jews), is the 4th son of Jacob. Not even Moses was a Jew. Moses was the son of Amram, a LEVITE, the 3rd son of Jacob. It is IMPOSSIBLE for the Sabbath to be Jewish, or even exclusively Jewish. When you can name the 12 tribes in order of their birth, you will learn something. Samson wasn't a Jew. He was descended from the tribe of DAN. The 12 tribes of Israel, aren't Jews, only one tribe is Jews, which is why they are called ISRAELITES, NOT JEWS. Want to have a clear understanding of the Bible? Stop calling the Israelites JEWS.
@@eltonron1558 Actually, the Southern Kingdom (Judah) was made up of the tribes of Judah & Benjamin, plus a good number of Levites (who didn’t have a territory). It’s unclear, but probably, a portion of the tribe of Simeon was subsumed into the tribe of Judah. So there’s that, as well. Simply being a “fact checker” doesn’t call you to anything. (And being a bad “fact checker” certainly doesn’t.)
@Eric Carlson I know about the tribes that stayed in Judah. Benjamites are not Jews. Neither Levites, or Josephites. The blanket calling them Jews is for convenience, not technically true. In any case, the important thing, is that the ten commandments didn't come from, nor through Moses. He only documented the event of God speaking to the great crowd of Israelites.
@@eltonron1558 I’m kind of clueless what you’re trying to say. Are you claiming that the Apostle Paul wasn’t a Jew? Philippians 3: “For we are the circumcision, who worship by the Spirit of God and glory in Christ Jesus and put no confidence in the flesh-though I myself have reason for confidence in the flesh also. If anyone else thinks he has reason for confidence in the flesh, I have more: circumcised on the eighth day, of the people of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, a Hebrew of Hebrews; as to the law, a Pharisee; as to zeal, a persecutor of the church; as to righteousness under the law, blameless.” Romans 9: “For I could wish that I myself were accursed and cut off from Christ for the sake of my brothers, my kinsmen according to the flesh. They are Israelites, and to them belong the adoption, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the worship, and the promises. To them belong the patriarchs, and from their race, according to the flesh, is the Christ, who is God over all, blessed forever. Amen.” Are you saying that any modern-day Jew with the last name of Cohen (and thus Levite) aren’t genuinely Jewish? Why exactly are you restricting the term to the descendants of Judahites? I don’t know of anybody who does that. And, as far as Moses goes, God gave the tablets directly into his hands on Mt. Sinai. So your statement makes no real sense. Care to explain?
C.H. Spurgeon was the first first place I came across the phrase, 'If you can do anything else, by all means do it.' And that is in his "Lectures to my Students". It was reading that line in his lectures that gave me the confidence to 'do something else.' Also, Dallimore's "Whitefield" is likely one of the most compelling encouragements to ministry. Great segment.
Thank you so much for explaining this. I am interested in the ministry, and I have felt moved by the Gospel, and I really just want to burst because of all I could say about it. It is truly exciting to me when someone asks me about something Biblical, or about our theology. I am about to talk with my elders in my church about this and ask where to go from here, if at all. Anyway, thank you for presenting this topic.
This was helpful, thank you.
Thank you, pastor Doug!
I would add as a first priority see if this man truly cares for God's sheep. I have seen more than one pastor/elder who can talk the talk with the best of them but whose walk is amazingly self-exalting. In the pastoral epistles most of the qualifying traits are about character.
"We are not all called to the same work, but we're all called to the same faith." I think, I'm pretty sure that was Dr. Martyn Loyd Jones who said that, as well.
A biography of Jonathan Edwards by George Marsden might've been what he was searching for around 6:30?
This is all good advice but doesn’t touch the one big problem I see. The church in many ages, including this one, has been saddled with an abundance of poor leadership. And even when you have good leadership, generally speaking, they can be horrendous at choosing their successors.
I think there are times and places when young men may feel the call of reform, and they may well feel totally isolated like Elijah, and they may need to go out into the fray without anyone’s blessing.
Of course, this is normally a recipe for disaster. And one would need to discern between being an actual “Elijah” and just another thick-headed Lone Ranger.
That's a good point.
Sometimes what people look for in a leader (teaching elder, church planter, etc.) is not necessarily what is actually helpful. I doubt most Christians are really looking for godly spiritual oversight and good discernment with the word. But maybe I'm just a pessimist.
Nice opinion, but he just gave us that, his opinion. Zero quotes from the Bible.
And so?
He literally quoted Jeremiah
Preaching the gospel is a responsible position
Not all are qualified
In today's climate with bibles books
Tapes CDs it's not the same situation
So many schools of thought on doctrine it's better to read bible
Ones self and trust holy spirit to guide and teach
All the preacher can do is give his interpretation
After all unregenerated people can preach 2cor11v14.15!
I know I'm called, as like a mystery, I'm constantly having to correct, ordained ministers. It's not like I'm trying to, it's just a matter of catching them in a lie. Just like the gospel. It is according to Christ, not about Christ.
Moses didn't give the Jews the ten commandments, God gave the Israelites, the commandments. The Jews, are but one of the 12 tribes, that recieved them. What's going on, when ordained ministers, can't even get the basics?
Sunday keepers, not that there's anything wrong with it?
The Jews were made up of 12 tribes, the Jews weren’t one of 12 tribes
@@captainrogers2790 Small Problem. The Jews are but ONE tribe of the 12. Judah, (the Jews), is the 4th son of Jacob.
Not even Moses was a Jew. Moses was the son of Amram, a LEVITE, the 3rd son of Jacob. It is IMPOSSIBLE for the Sabbath to be Jewish, or even exclusively Jewish. When you can name the 12 tribes in order of their birth, you will learn something. Samson wasn't a Jew. He was descended from the tribe of DAN. The 12 tribes of Israel, aren't Jews, only one tribe is Jews, which is why they are called ISRAELITES, NOT JEWS. Want to have a clear understanding of the Bible? Stop calling the Israelites JEWS.
@@eltonron1558 Actually, the Southern Kingdom (Judah) was made up of the tribes of Judah & Benjamin, plus a good number of Levites (who didn’t have a territory).
It’s unclear, but probably, a portion of the tribe of Simeon was subsumed into the tribe of Judah. So there’s that, as well.
Simply being a “fact checker” doesn’t call you to anything. (And being a bad “fact checker” certainly doesn’t.)
@Eric Carlson I know about the tribes that stayed in Judah.
Benjamites are not Jews. Neither Levites, or Josephites. The blanket calling them Jews is for convenience, not technically true. In any case, the important thing, is that the ten commandments didn't come from, nor through Moses. He only documented the event of God speaking to the great crowd of Israelites.
@@eltonron1558 I’m kind of clueless what you’re trying to say. Are you claiming that the Apostle Paul wasn’t a Jew?
Philippians 3:
“For we are the circumcision, who worship by the Spirit of God and glory in Christ Jesus and put no confidence in the flesh-though I myself have reason for confidence in the flesh also. If anyone else thinks he has reason for confidence in the flesh, I have more: circumcised on the eighth day, of the people of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, a Hebrew of Hebrews; as to the law, a Pharisee; as to zeal, a persecutor of the church; as to righteousness under the law, blameless.”
Romans 9:
“For I could wish that I myself were accursed and cut off from Christ for the sake of my brothers, my kinsmen according to the flesh. They are Israelites, and to them belong the adoption, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the worship, and the promises. To them belong the patriarchs, and from their race, according to the flesh, is the Christ, who is God over all, blessed forever. Amen.”
Are you saying that any modern-day Jew with the last name of Cohen (and thus Levite) aren’t genuinely Jewish? Why exactly are you restricting the term to the descendants of Judahites? I don’t know of anybody who does that.
And, as far as Moses goes, God gave the tablets directly into his hands on Mt. Sinai. So your statement makes no real sense. Care to explain?