Budget Dual Sport Tire review
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- Опубліковано 26 лип 2024
- Dino’s Tinker Shed, S3 Ep6, Budget Dual Sport Tire review.
In this episode, I will give you my opinion of the Shinko 705 front and rear tire that I have on my 2009 Suzuki DR650. These tires are known to be a budget friendly 70/30 dual sport tire, that many use and enjoy. My review is a bit on the lighter side as Karl comes over to visit and give his opinion on riding the same roads with his DR fitted with another brand of tire.
Overall if you primarily ride paved roads or hard pack dirt these may be a tire to consider, however my experience with them on logging roads and some mud proved less than confidence inspiring.
Stick around to the end to see if I would buy these again or choose a different tire for the riding I do.
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TIME CODE CHAPTERS:
00:00- Cold opening
00:50- Introduction
01:10- Karl arrives
01:46- Overview of the tires
03:33- Initial impressions
06:35- General opinion
07:07- Final thoughts and rating
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Thank you for the excellent review on the Shinko 705s on the DR650. !
Glad you enjoyed it, thank you for the comment
Dino
I have 2 sets of wheels with 705's on one and knobbies on the other set. My experience with the 705's is very good. I ride pavement and dirt, no gravel. I will repurchase the 705's when the time comes. Another great video Dino.
Thank you Jon, I'm glad yours are working well for you and your set up. not sure why mine are not living up to my expectations. Again Ill try to re balance them.
Dino
I bought my bike with 705's on it, I agree with everything Dino said, I don't like how they felt on gravel. I swapped them out for the shinko 244's and are much happier with them!
Wow, another vote for the 244's. They are looking more and more like my next tire.
Thank you for the feedback.
Dino
Keep at it Dino! You rock! Love from WI, USA
Thanks! Will do!
Dino
Nice video Dino, I inherited the 705's on a DR I purchased and I thought they were decent tires on the road, but off road they didn't give me the grip that I wanted. I have been using the Shinko 244's and am very happy with them.
Thank you for the feedback RJ, the 244s seem to be a popular tire for sure and very friendly to the pocket book.
Thanks again for your input.
Dino
G’day Dino, thanks again for your informative video. I’m currently using the Dunlop 607 on my DR650 with excellent results. I can’t wait to see the CAD program of your dashboard 👍
Thank you for the feed back. The CAD is coming along.
Dino
I find running a front tire that is a notch more aggressive towards the dirt side compared to the rear works well for a lot of situations. My buddy’s DR 650 has a 705 on the rear and a 244 on the front. I don’t think you should go much more towards the street side than a 244 on the front unless you are riding almost exclusively on the street.
Great information, thank you for sharing
Dino
Let me first applaud your bravery for going down the tire review rabbit hole.👏 I guess if you're doing mostly street and hard packed, darn near any tire would suffice. I prefer to have confidence in my front tire in loose/muddy stuff and have used the MT-21 for years on many different bikes. They're a popular choice for a reason but to each their own. Cheers to you and Carl!😃
LOL, oh I know what reviews can be like lol. I think if I did not have the free rear tire from Karl I would have gone another route, and many still swear by Shinko 705's, many of those I have great respect for. My experience thus far is not what I expected however as you said, to each there own.
Thank you for your thoughts and feedback. 👍
Dino
I have the 705's on my V-Strom 1000 2nd Gen and I would agree with everything you said. The front tire has a distinct bounce for lack of a better word at low speeds however I find them very good on pavement regardless of the condition. I live and ride near the Muskoka area and even if a tire slips on broken and chip sealed pavement they hook right back up which I don't think a full road tire would. Gravel unless really hard packed is a different story. They don't inspire confidence at all. They perform well in hardpacked dirt well but I agree that they leave a lot to be desired on gravel roads
Thank you for the feed back on the tires. I seem to get mixed comments on these tires on their performance. sounds like you have the same experiences with yours, thank you again for sharing.
Dino
Reminds me of a time, on my RD... Pirelli super sports and hitting a patch of freshly laid gravel on a concession road. JEEZUS!
You basically go where the bike wants to go as you try to keep it up right. Lol
And usually the direction the bike wants to go is into the ditch! 😊
Yes sometimes its a bit of an adventure when the terrain changes, at those times the bike seems more like it has a mind of its own and your just along for the.....a.......ride?
Dino
I'm currently running some aggressive Shinko 244's on my KLR. Once those wear out (which probably won't take long), my plan is to try some Shinko 700's. They seem a tad more aggressive than the 705's and have a different knobby pattern. P.S. Howdy from the other end of Lake Ontario - I'm in the Kingston area.
I've looked at the 244's and they look like a nice tire. I will need tires at some point this summer if I can get out enough lol.
Thanks for the great feedback
Dino
Just found your channel and I enjoy it. I plan to work my way through your videos over the next while. I ride a 2023 KLR650 and I had the dealer fit a set of Shinko 705s on it before I took delivery. I didn't like the looks of the stock tires, so off they went. Most of my riding here in the lower mainland of B.C. is hard surface, as in paved roads. I find them very good for that purpose. Before this KLR I had a 2009 model with the Kendas and I must say I like the Shinkos on the new bike better. As an older guy, in my early 70s, I generally stick to paved roads not being as adventurous as I was a few years ago. I have little or no experience with the new tires, so far, on loose surfaces. By the way, I bought the tires through Pete's Superbike in Quebec and an well pleased with that supplier. Tires were cheaper, even with shipping all the way across Canada, than tire stores in this area, or mail order anywhere else I looked at.
Thank you so much for your feedback and I am happy you find the content enjoyable. I am finding the Shinkos are starting to feel better as they break in a bit and for my next set I may look at their 244's.
Tires are such a personal thing as they all make the bike ride a bit different and each rider enjoys the feeling from them differently. It is great to hear others opinion on them and I think anyone looking at new tires should get as much info as they can about any brand before they make a choice.
Dino
Thanks! I am always interested in another data point for tires.
Glad you found it useful.
Dino
Good to hear your perspective. I love shinkos, ride alot of similar roads to yourself. I only ever use the 705 rear, I use the e700 front. It is slightly chunkier. I get 22000KMS from a front and around 12000kms from the rear. Would definitely buy again. Wonder if it is just your front tyre is the issue? Mud is my only issue with this setup but I don't ride it to often and if plan to I stick on my knobblie motoz tyres. Cheers Dino!
So interesting Dan, I cant wait until the spring so I can ride and see if the rebalancing pays off. The e700 looks like a good option, a lot of others recommend the 244's as well.
I like the idea of two set of rims and tires, for different terrains.
Thanks for taking the time to comment Dan.
Dino
For what it's worth, I have been quite happy with the Shinko 244's on my bikes - good on and off pavement and long wearing. Between the 3 bikes I have put them on, I've put about 6K probably 50/50 or maybe 60/40 P/U
The 244s look like a really nice tire and are a good price for sure. I have read that they may not be stout enough for heavier dual sports like the DR or KLR, I would be curious about your thoughts on this?
Thank you for your feedback, it is worth a lot.
Dino
@@DinosTinkerShed I used them on my Royal Enfield Himalayan for ~3300 miles riding the Great Continental Divide last summer which was about 50/50 on/off road. Worked great. The REH is a good bit heavier than the DR. On my DR I've had them on for about 1000 miles.
@@JohnnyPowRides thank you for the information, these may be a good choice for my next rubber.
Dino
@@DinosTinkerShed Now - I wouldn't use them on anything bigger than the REH. Most likely you would be in tubeless tire territory then
Totally agree. Had those tire on another bike and tire washed all over. Went to TKC 80s on my triumph.
I see a fellow in NZ built a dash like you. He even referred to your channel.
I would love to build one as well. Can’t wait for the dimensions. Like ok’ing forward to them. Thanks again and say
hey to Carl.
Thank you for the feed back, yes Dan at Mottodans contacted me about the dash, I do not believe he has yet finished it though. I am working on the CAD model but it seems to be fighting me , it will succumb to my will though lol.
Dino
I have a cad expert at my disposal. Best friend. Going out to see him on Monday. You could Pm my with pics and dimensions and he can 3d model it for you or at lease get you a cad drawing. Orrrr we can chat on phone. Just in the shop cleaning my new to me DR
@@chasinggeckos8843 I will keep that in mind. I have a proto type laid out in tinkercad now. And I am going to have a friend 3d print it so I can check fitment ect. If I run into issues I will reach out for sure. It may go through a number of revisions as I work though it. Thank you so much for the offer, it is appreciated.
Dino
@@DinosTinkerShed okie dokie. I am at his place for a bit. Hope to do some riding. Just reach out
Dino I have just fitted a 705 rear in a 130/90-17. It replaced a well worn out Pirelli Scorpion Trail 130/80-17. The Scopion Trail is a great tyre and its expensive. I went with the 705 size as it is 22mm larger diameter which gives it a little higher speed, saves about 400 rpm @ 100km/hr and should get some more range out of the fuel without changing sprocket sizes. I have a new 705 90/90-21 front but have not fitted it yet as the front Scorpion Trail has plenty of tread left in it With balancing tyres, I use ABC balancing beads. They are a very hard ceramic 2mm bead that you put inside the tube through the valve stem with the schrader valve out. Without rim locks you need 1to 2 oz in the front and 2 to 3 oz in the rear. They can also be re-used. You dont have any problems with loosing balance weights. There are some cheaper glass balance bead opyions available but they are not as hard as the ABC ceramic ones. The ABC beads will cost about $15 AUD for front and back. Glad you found your dash mount template. Looking forward to it 👍
Thank you for the idea on balancing beads, I will have to look into these, I learned something new today thank you.
I'm working on the Dash CAD now lol.
Dino
I have a DR with a large tank also Dino, Run it with a lower tyre pressure. I use the heidinau K60 scout. Wont change. Ive done 6k+ and will still get a summer out of them. I drive on the Tar ,logging & dirt roads.
Interesting, Ill try the lower pressure but it seems counter intuitive. Karl seems to have lots of friends in the K60 camp, they really do seem like great tires.
Thank you for the comment
Dino
Hi Dino, I have had several sets of Shinko sets of 705 and 700 tires on my DR650 without any issues and feel they are a great value for the money. I was wondering if you had a chance to rebalance the front tire yet and if so, what was the outcome.
Not yet, I have not had the time and there is still snow and ice around so it will most likely not be until the end of March that I get out. I will update on the tire when I do.
Thank you for the question.
Dino
Hello Dino. I have ran two sets of 705 tires. I was not very impressed with them either. Both sets i had the same repeditive roar. The whoo whoo whoo kind of sound that continually got worse with wear. I also had the same shimmy in the bars that got worse as they wore. As the tread wore they kind of cupped and the offset treads would cause the shimmy. I also had balancing issues. If i made long interstate runs the front would come out of balance. The back was better for me. It was good till the tread wore flat. I like the cheap price but i have gone to other tires. Great video and it is nice to hear others thoughts on things i have tried as well.
Thank you so much for sharing your experience, it sounds like I am having similar riding experiences. I'll have to burn through these quickly so I can try another make. Thank you again,
Dino
Great video Dino. I run 705's on my XT250 and like them. Just put K761's on my DR650 to try something different. For your DR, would you rate the K761's higher than the 705's? Thanks!
Thank you for the questions. For me I found the K761's more sure footed off road and mine had any KM on them. the tread on both looks similar and I thought the Shinko's would preform more like the Kenda tires however for me they are not as nimble in the looser gravel I often ride on.
Again this is just my experience, many say their 705's work great.
Dino
Hi Dino, the shinko 804/805 is much better on dirt and off road conditions. What tyre pressures are you running? Another excellent video :)
Thank you for the comment, I think if I did not get the rear for free I would have went with the 804/805 combo. I run around 24-25 psi in the front due to the oversized tank and my .....um.....belly 😖. In the rear I usually run about 27psi.
K60's are the closest thing I've seen to a "true 50/50" tire. Great on the highway, and okay(ish) in the loose stuff. There's just no replacement for a knobby, IMO. I run D606 all the time now and just use ear plugs for the highway sections! 🙉.
Karl really loves his K60's and they really do seam like a great 50/50 tire. Thank you for teh feedback.
Dino
What would be a good place to get dual sport tires in Ontario Canada?
Thanks for the question, I have found Royal Distributing to have the best prices and selection, Fortnine is also good. Both ship to your door.
Dino
Also, and if you don't mind me bringing it up... Lol
You're a touch heavier than Karl... I wonder if the lightness of the front end feel has to do with a bit of weight distribution?
Karl and I weight exactly the same, I don't know what you are talking about Bahhaaaaa. I would agree other than my old Kenda's did not display this trait. Its odd for sure.
Put a set of shinko 700 on that bike and you want use any other tire. All I ever use on my klr 650
Hello what windshield is that? And do you like it? Thanks
Thank you for the comment, my windshield is off a BMW Dakar 650. I like it but it is a bit heavier than I would like and may change out to a parrabelum at some point.
Dino
@@DinosTinkerShed thank you.I watched your video of you installing the parrabelum windshield on your Friends bike do you get a lot of wind buffering or wind noise from the parrabelum windshield?
@@davidrivera1727 Karl says that it is pretty good, still some buffering but acceptable.
Dino
am absolute disaster on my bike horrible all speeds wobble. 2 warrantied tired now i can't even sell the things! i put scoripains on runs fine
Thank you very much for the feedback, it sounds like mine are doing what yours are. Again, I don't think I would buy these again.
Dino
Huge fan of Shinko tires. I've gone through probably 15 sets (804/805, 705, 244, etc) already, they are the best bang for the buck, hands down. IMHO, the Heidenau K60s are too expensive for what they are, the front tire wears like iron and works great, but the rear squared off in no time and handling was impacted after. I've heard some good and bad about the 705, but I've had only good experiences with them. You might prefer the 244 if you want to do more gravel:
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Thank you for taking the time to comment, I really want to like these tires for sure, many have suggested the 244's and at the price point (about $200 Canadian for the set) I may be able to try these even before I need a tire change.
Dino
But I don't understand why reviewing a tire that is intended for pavement on a off road situation. 80/20.
Just put shinko 244s on my dr650 two weeks ago, 1000k in already on road and offroad all conditions here in Vancouver/Squamish. If they last long they will be my top choice of tire.
Thank you for the feedback.
Dino
Hi freind..why not available tubeless wheel for Suzuki DR650..I don't like tube inner..to much time if something happens with you in desert 🏜️.
Tubeless would be nice for sure and if Suzuki ever replaces the DR650 that would be something I think would be a nice upgrade. I know there are some methods out there to convert your wheels using silicone but I just carry a patch kit, spare tube and lately the slime 2 in 1 which is supposed to work with tubed tires and tubeless.
Thank you for your question.
Dino
@@DinosTinkerShed convert not safe.. I think..need you make vlogs about that ..mate.