*Finally, a real man of God, with an obedient heart for God!* I'd rather stand with God and against the world, rather than with the world and against God.
My son is gay and almost married his lover. I was sick at heart and torn because we believe it is wrong. We keep praying none of his relationships will last. He was raised in Christian home but has left his faith and is angry that God made him gay. His name is Aaron. Please pray for him. We love him so. Our arms are open wide too but he has also left us.
Why are you sick at heart ? There is not one of us without sin ...your son you say is angry at god for making him gay ..... understand please ...his anger is because man judges him so called Christians judge him ...n yet ...whom of us can say we no longer sin ,? If the lord met with him n he will .his response to him would be very very different from the response of the church that he was brought up in ....pray for him ....yes but also I pray for all those whom made him feel the worst ..and excluded.. actually Paul said he was the worst of sinners ....don't worry ...his ways are not our ways neither his thoughts ours ....my prayers are for healing for you ...nnin so too healing for him
Unconditional love ...that is the lord's way ...I sense in your heart your inclined to that ...n it is right ...do not do not say look your wrong it's against God ...unless you yourself are totally without sin ....because even a thought a passion a small sin is still against God ....n we all fall short...but the problem is your telling him he falls way shorter than you ....missing the mark is missing the mark ....that's why he came ...for all of us n that's why Saint Paul in the new testiment said he was the cheif of sinners ...may God bless you n trust he hears the heart of man humbled xxxxccmuch love ...ask God to deal with you .n me ...n then once that happens healing will come....I can tell you this because me n my family have been thru this
after hearing Alistair Begg tell a grandma to go to her grandson transgender wedding & take a gift !I am so thankful to hear Pastor Piper stick with the Bible says...Brother Begg needs to repent...
But you have to be fair to him, by that he did not mean she should affirm the wedding, but he only meant she should do it as a demonstration of love. His advice is still disagreeable, but we should be accurate about what he precisely meant
This whole debate boils down to whether you believe in what the bible says or not. If you do, then you'll agree with Piper, otherwise go with the flow. My personal opinion is to agree with him, but I want to emphasize that this doesn't justify any kind of hate towards anyone. You may disagree with or hate their acts, but Jesus teaches us to always love and wisely serve everyone as they are.
@@mnight207 No. It would be unloving to condemn them though. It would also be unloving to condone their sin which would ultimately destroy them (unless they repent).
But if you believe in the bible then you're contradicting yourself it is a sin to follow false prophets right so how do you know these were the prophets of god who wrote this bullshit you don't because no man can claim theyre the prophet of god I listen to god not men #Getwoke
Your son was lucky then. Hope he and his husband had a lovely day. You are the one that missed out on one of the most important days in his life and he was better off without you there.
Being a ‘Christian ‘ is hard in a satanic world, going through this now, and have had many a difficult discussions in my family. Dealing with a prodigal is most heart wrenching, but remember God honors the commitment to His word, be strong in the Lord.
@@ToninoterRessort We put our complete trust in Christ, turn from our sin and to His righteousness and He will change us! I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me.
Almost 3 years ago, I attended my male cousin's wedding to another man. Coming from a Catholic family, some of my family members did not agree with nor attend the wedding, but I went even though I didn't agree with homosexuality. I was still a young Christian and I never felt like it was my place to directly tell them they were wrong, since my cousin is quite a few years older than I am and we were never really that close growing up. But I can say that at the wedding, I did not really enjoy myself. I felt like a huge part of what marriage is meant to be was missing and it just didn't feel real. I ended up dancing for one song and then sat at the table and wanted to go to bed. I feel sad for my cousin and I don't really know how to help him. And now, he and the guy he calls his husband have created 2 beautiful baby girls via in-vitro fertilization and a surrogate mother, and I also don't know how to react to this process. They are innocent babies created in the image of God and I am trying to celebrate their lives. But at the same time I am heartbroken that they aren't being raised by their mother and instead have two fathers. Also I'm scared that they won't teach these precious babies about Jesus and that when they grow up, they will only see a god who is against their fathers. Please pray for my family and these baby girls. Thank you!
Im sure those baby girls are going to grow up loved and free to find Jesus just the same. I have several friends of same sex marriage raising children and those children are precious and perfect and doing perfectly fine. Celebrate their life as much as you can without judging their circumstance because that’s the true way to love others in the face of disagreement
Perverse and mentally sick world we live in, when we even consider the abomination of 2 men getting married as even close to legitimate. Marriage is for a man and woman. Adam and Eve, NOT Adam and Steve.
So it's okay and not foolish if you sell your Daughter as a sex slave, who can then sell her to his son when he is bored with her too as per Exodus 21:7?
@@msladymack1960 She's making a hypocritical point on a public comment forum, I'm calling it out. SIMPLE. What point are you making other than posting a useless question?
@@j.n.3577 You have to understand the Bible and the sequence of events. Old Testament deals with Israel being under "The Law". They were far from perfect people, but they were chosen by God. For them, God issued 10 commandments and 600+ laws because they were so corrupted in their hearts that no one would survive if every sin was punishable by death. Those laws were made for Israel and they are not to be taken out of context. Those laws don't reflect the personality of God, they just reflect the corruption of Israel. Jesus on the other hand reflects the personality of God, He gave the 2 commandments that overwrite all 600 of them. Matthew 22:37-40 Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself. 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments. People try too hard to depict God anything else but love. You have to study the Bible and see for yourself.
@@Ovinski Those evil laws cannot be dismissed since it was cruel behavior condoned. There isn't any context that makes it morally acceptable unless you condone/passively endorse human (sex) trafficking which the Scripture there clearly does. I'm not claiming it reflects any god, esp. since the Bible was written by men. Ceremonial laws may have been abolished, but that is the only thing I've seen, such as certain dietary and clothing restrictions.
Love is NOT accepting EVERYTHING about a person. There are things that I will not accept even in my own children. That does not mean I don't love them. My love FOR THEM is unconditional. However, I don't have to love everything they do... just them. I'm sure that most of you calling this man a bigot or whatever would not and do not accept certain behaviors from people that you love. They cannot do whatever they want to do to you or around you. That does not mean that you do not love them. It just means that some of their behaviors go against something you believe in. If you don't want to be a Christian, then don't be. You don't have to believe in the Bible. But as in every type of organization there are rules you must adhere to to be a part of that organization. If you want to actively participate in that lifestyle, then you cannot be a Christian. We are talking about a lifestyle... there are certain lifestyles, homosexuality is one of them, that I do not support. That does not mean that I don't love the people who say they are. It just means that I don't /won't support what I don't believe in. I don't have to love homosexuality to love them as individuals. I love my God more than I love sin. I have friends that love the New York Giants. I HATE the Giants and all that goes into supporting them. But I love my friends that support them. Same premise. So stop calling people names when they don't love EVERYTHING you do. That is not a prerequisite for love. Love should be unconditional. Also remember that everything you "LOVE" is not always good for you... Just because two adults find common ground in something doesn't make it the right thing to do, especially as it pertains to the Bible. If you don't want to be Christian, then don't be. But don't level dispersions at those of us that want to be. Something to think about.
It really doesn't apply. While he quotes 1 Cor 6 he forgets 1 Cor 5:9-12 I wonder how many people invite unbelieving friends to their Christian weddings, does that then make their wedding acceptable and unbelieving, well looking at the divorce rate maybe they are unbelieving to begin with, or valid why would we think our attendance in some way means affirmation. When you protest something you can do it in many ways I would have taken a Bible as a gift and highlight every passage. We are to make disciples use your opportunities as you can. Maybe it would be good to sit and cry at these physicalist humanist "weddings" or "marriages" or "unions" because it is truly a sad occasion. It should be attended as anyone attends a funeral.
@SavioursWon but what you're saying when you state, "use your opportunities as you can" is that the end justifies the means. But we know that we have to do what is pleasing in the eyes of the Lord. Just because we we might be able to "disciple" them by showing love at their wedding (if we can call it that), doesn't mean it's the right thing.
@@mhwt565 ("use your opportunities as you can" is that the end justifies the means) that is clearly a false equivalence, making disciples is pleasing to the Lord. It is the duty of all Christians. Further "17But, dear friends, remember what the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ foretold. 18They said to you, “In the last times there will be scoffers who will follow their own ungodly desires.” 19These are the people who divide you, who follow mere natural instincts and do not have the Spirit. 20But you, dear friends, by building yourselves up in your most holy faith and praying in the Holy Spirit, 21keep yourselves in God’s love as you wait for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ to bring you to eternal life. 22Be merciful to those who doubt; 23save others by snatching them from the fire; to others show mercy, mixed with fear-hating even the clothing stained by corrupted flesh." Try to understand, Christians are like people who have a cold and are contagious and they go around to others who also have a cold and they sit there giving each other c cold when what we are supposed to do is be contagious to others. You cannot live in isolation and be effective in the ministry. This is the reason I previously posted 1 Cor 5. God bless.
@@SavioursWon Watch Justin Peter's pastoral response to Beggs. This should help to unpack the deeper principles of what is acceptable/unacceptable and why according to the Bible as long as you are one of us that follow that, not our own understandings or feelings
@@KNIGHTFOX80 yeah long winded and sorry they never once show why going to this event was actually sinful, they just make weak analogies and make up things about what Jesus would or would not doand try and say that the gospel accounts for everything that Jesus did, they poison the well, make strawman arguments about what the sermon was about and I get they felt offended by his response but he really never needed to respond to begin with or apologise, nor should the church act like cancel culture thugs we see running around, what they have to do is show the sinfulness of being in attendance is sinful and this they are unable to do, the only reason I would not send someone to this event is because it may affect them seeing the degradation but not everyone is so thin skinned that they are unable to stand firm on the truth in the face of evil and show God's love that He came down and walked among filthy disgusting constantly sinning sinners in all their daily and constant filth and hatred and blasphemy of God. Please we really need to see God's love clearly and not invent this idea to not infiltrate and influence the culture the world or the church will become irrelevant. Hey but maybe I'm just not so bright and all these clever people are just far too smart. You have to deal with 1 Cor 5 and other passages which tell us to influence the culture. Please notice not once didBegg and neither have I affirmed this marriage as such or claimed it tobe a valid marriage/wedding etc.
An easy search: BIBLE + FREEMASONRY, through which lies and truth becomes easy listed. So far i have listed 28 lies and 28 truth. Have you started to dig? What have you found? What do you know about masonry club? About the evil rulers of this world, masons, what you know about them?
I understand his answer, I think it is a logically consistent, and loving response response. But I have a question - don't we, as Christians, do the same thing when we celebrate the marriages of heterosexual couples who aren't getting married under God, or who are living in lifestyles of sin? How can we separate the two? Thanks.
LINDSAY BENITEZ you’re right on, it’s the same thing! Marriage is a covenant & when you attend a wedding you are being a witness to the covenant. So it’s definitely important for us to be in prayer and have discernment about whether or not to attend a wedding!
Just a quick thought but I disagree. Whenever a marriage occurs with one man and one woman, God recognizes that as a marriage whether they attribute it to Him or not. Versus a "same-sex marriage" is more just a worldy ritual and doesn't have any Biblical support whatsoever.
@@ayoiawe Ahh, I see. If that's the case then it depends on the life status of the other divorcee (if the former spouse is dead then the marriage covenant is broken). But otherwise I would treat it the same as the same-sex ritual.
Whether it uses the term or not, the meaning is still the same. The original text was translated so all can read it and understand it, not to change the meaning. If we are going to follow your logic then maybe stealing and all the other sins should be thrown out as well because it was originally written in a different language.
imdaboss426 He never used a word that said or means homosexual - that is the point. It has been re and mistranslated to say something that is not in the original text. Homosexuality is not a sin in the original text of the Bible.
I am in a difficult situation because I got saved 5 years ago and from the age of 4 I’ve known my dad to be homosexual, I had always grown up knowing it wasn’t ‘normal’ but I loved and still love my dad a lot I used to celebrate his sexuality and if anyone spoke against him or made fun of him because of it o would get very angry. My dad announced he was getting married last year and I couldn’t celebrate it, I couldn’t go to it or wish him congratulations because I know what I didn’t know before, I love my dad and I was bold enough to tell him why I couldn’t go or celebrate it, I tried to tell him in the gentle and kindest way I could and explained that we are all sinners in need of saving and gossip or lying is no greater than homosexuality, it has completely ruined our relationship I’m heartbroken and hurt because dad has taken this as a rejection from me and I’m a bigoted Christian labelled as hateful towards the gay community. I have tried to explain to him but I can’t do anymore he lives abroad so I never see him which makes it worse. This had been a testing time for me these past 3 years. But I know he needs saving I know he needs Jesus so I can’t celebrate what god calls sin and watch my dad walk into hell, I love him and want to tell him the truth even if that means our relationship is fractured. Please pray for me for wisdom and understanding and please pray for my dad Neil, thank you
Charlene Bains:stay the course, run the race, endure. We are to love God more than man, even our very own family. If your Dad truly loved with the agape love he should have for his child, then your opinion of his lifestyle would not stop him loving you. Sadly the human heart is more wicked, more deceptive than most of us begin to acknowledge. Sexual preference is not something we are born with. This one of the greatest lies of the devil. If people were born 'gay' then people are born 'pedophile'. Taste for certain things is not what we are, it is simply we get a taste and a liking and so have preferences through experiences and by how our minds process these experiences. Love your Dad, pray for him daily, never give up hope. Being reborn in the spirit changes not only hearts (love of evil) but changes mind (having the mind of Christ in us) and we turn from sin which is essentially everything that harms us and separates us from God.
I really have sympathy for what u going through with ur father. But also i praise u for standing so strong and so bold in ur faith. U can do exactly what our Lord has warn us in Matthew 10:34-39. i doubt that i can do the same if i were in ur place. so cheer up and always look to our Lord Jesus face, let the holy spirit comfort u n give u strength. u have experience what a follower of Jesus must experience. Let's what is said in acts 5:41 comfort u, that u were counted worthy to suffer shame for His name. Keep pray for the work of Holy Spirit so ur father can know and accept the truth n changed.
Charlene Bains good for you Charlene! What you did was actually much more loving and caring than attending would have been. Love is seldom about going along with what looks good, sounds good, or feels good.
You did NOT do anything wrong. I pray that your dad will see the error of his ways and repent knowing that God loves him very much but not his sin. Most of all I pray that you are alright and that you never ever give up...give in...or compromise because those who are in sin have a tendency to make those who are obedient to God feel bad. And make you feel the emotional blackmail. But you are not alone. Know that there are other ppl facing the same test and trials in their walk with God. Amen.
I am not a Christian but I hope my thoughts are welcomed here. I thought Pastor John presented an empassioned case for what naturally follows if one accepts the tenets of Christianity. For me, my means of empathising with this is to liken Christian tenets to mathematical axioms in that, if they are accepted, what follows can be internally consistent. But what struck me more and what motivated me to comment is not necessarily this consistency, but more that I discerned an earnest compassion and a heartfelt remorse in John's voice imagining his son spending an eternity in hellfire for following a path towards a sincere, if axiomatically misguided, conception of love. This must be a struggle for Christians when love is invoked in support of acceptance of LBG+ lifestyles for, of course, who would dare argue against love? That's the definition of hate. But if one wholeheartedly accepts the tenets of Christianity, the most loving thing one can do for a loved one is to guide them on a pathway away from eternal damnation. That must be so tough to grapple with day-to-day. I do feel for you. I know we're all just trying to do what we think is best for ourselves and our loved ones.
Well, sexuality and relationships derived from it are not analogous to math. Secondly, a belief system that does not distinguish between consenting adults and what they do and people transgressing others in some way isn't one I have any interest in at all.
Jesus responds differently ...if you recall ..he went to the house of the tax collector ...the sinful ...n ate n dined with them ....which the Pharisee s of the time spoke the same things yo...I wee....
Please may I share my testimony with you. I always knew that I was gay, and from a very young age I prayed to God asking Him to take these tendencies away. Many years later on one particularly bad night, I believed I was going to die. In the depth of my despair, I asked Lord Jesus for forgiveness and to my surprise He answered me. My spirit has burst into such powerful flames of love and mercy that it has seemed as if I was totally dissolved in Him. By this stage I was already in a loving relationship with my partner, and when I asked Jesus if I should leave my partner. Jesus told me to regard him as my husband.
@@jean-pauldebeer8151 Jesus, who rejects the unrepentant, does not accept your union. Your position is not supported in the Bible, regardless of your preferences.
@@dab7963 Let me ask you this,can they have children natural ever,never,it wasn't meant to be,the bigger issue is knowing Jesus and obeying Him or not!!!
@@t-squared6406 I prefer to focus on love and what is possible not your judgmental negative beliefs. You also show how much you don't know. I have several gay friends two had children naturally from a prior marriage before they came out and four used a serrogate and the men used their own sperm so the children are also natural. Science is an amazing thing and your closed minded beliefs are old and outdated. Also there are many children that need a family and adoption is also a loving and wonderful thing. I think you may be a good person but obviously you just don't understand that you should not judge others. It's for God to judge and if he is a loving caring God then homosexuals have nothing to fear. Homosexuality is like Heterosexuality and is not a choice. It appears in nature and it's not evil it's part of natural selection which Darwin proved is how we all evolved. Only hatred (usually fueled by religious morals) think it is bad. Love is Love regardless of the gender and I am 100 percent certain Jesus and God would agree.
Sarah Flara If you say Piper is not wrong - then you are saying God is wrong. God never said 1 word about homosexuality why is Piper. God said many kinds of relationships, marriage was ok. Fact is the Bible does not say or mean homosexuality is a sin - in the original text - why do you and Piper thing otherwise. It is not Christian to go against God. Its time real Christian step up and stop the crap dogma this is not Christ Like.
Sarah Flara If you believe homosexuality is a sin - then yep you are not with Christ; you are not a true Christian. Like Piper you twist and turn God's Word. Just like when you say read Rom. In the original text homosexuality was not a sin - so how it is a sin in your Bible?
Sarah Flara There is no argument - Biblical fact - original text - homosexuality is not a sin. Yes, God gave you free will, believe as you wish. What I, and many others are doing and will continue to do is untwist what has been twisted. Know God loves you no matter, same as God loves me. Bye
Hearing pastor's voice make me believe again that there are still people in this world who will pay the highest price to tell the truth. I thank God for it.
sad to see a young lady indoctrinated with this kind of hatred. I hope you will spend time to think about the evidence for your specific God and the inexistence of the thousands of others you just happen to not have been born into.
Amen. My two gay friends invited me to their wedding. I declined because of the reasons JP gave. BTW, I was a lesbian for over 30 years and had two dom. partnerships, but never felt marriage was right. Then I became a Christian and repented and am SAVED. The is what I want for these friends, not their so-caled wedding that insults God.
YOU ONLY ATTEND A WEDDING IF YOU AGREE WITH AND SUPPORT THE UNION OF THE 2 PEOPLE. As Christians we can not attend a gay marriage. They might be married in man’s eyes but they are not married in God’s eyes. You attend you are sinning.
Hey Craig, Wow. Someone's done some research here. I'll reply to this but I really can't let it turn into a debate. As for it being my opinion, the Scriptures say what they say. It's pretty clear. Leviticus 18:22, Leviticus 20:13, Judges 19: 22-23, 1 Corinthians 6: 9-10, and there are a couple of others. The scriptures never use the word "homosexual" in the original languages because the word wasn't used then, just as it wasn't in many of the earlier English translations. But the truth is there. As for them being "unchanged by man," they were translated into English. But that doesn't invalidate the meaning. God intended man to be with woman in marriage and sexual intimacy (which is only within marriage). I highly recommend reading the scriptures I listed above in many of the translations you listed. Read them in light of both Romans chapter 1 and Jude vs. 7. And also search out the meanings of the words in the Greek and Hebrew, including the moods, tenses, etc. Honestly, I doubt either of us will be able to change the opinions of the other but as I said in my previous comment, if the scriptures contradict what I've listed or said here, I'm certainly open to seeing them. And please understand, as I said, it's not about opinions. I follow Jesus Christ as my King. He is the Word of God. And if God says something is against His will, I must line up with it. Thanks for the comments Craig.
@@SuperFreeamerican And what were marriages, in Deuteronomy 21:13, and Numbers 31:18, intended to be there, and executed how, and how consensually, also? Expansion potentially desired, here. Also, what was His will, during the blood libel, Inquisition, and the slave trade, within past Christendom? That was explicit, I mean? Rather than inferred.
Can we go to a wedding where the couple was living together before marriage? Can we go to a wedding where the couple was sleeping together before they got married? Seems like it is the same issue.
To make it even more general, would Piper say that a Christian should not attend the wedding of a non-believer? How is their union (or perhaps he would say "union") as unrepentant sinners, any different than a gay couple marrying? Equally, would he claim that sitting down to dinner at a gay couple's home is sinful because it "blesses" their sin? I think his approach to this question leaves a gaping hole regarding how Christians love sinners even in the midst of their sin. Which is, of course, exactly what Christ did for us.
@Ann As a devout christian, I see no problem with attending a marriage where the couple sinned before their union they will have together with themselves and with the Lord. Sinning or making a mistake does not make their marriage any less valid or beautiful or real in God's eyes. But when talking about a gay "marriage" the whole thing is an absolute fraud and a rebellion against God's holy created order. God defines marriage because he created it, we have absolutely no right to change it or practice it in any other way then he decreed.
I agree with you @swtor. Paraphrase the bi le if you are burning you should get married. That means to correct all wrong. So if you are in fornication you get married. Marriage is still to create union, if they marry then it is a repentance because they will have sex the way it was meant.
Please may I share my testimony with you. I always knew that I was gay, and from a very young age I prayed to God asking Him to take these tendencies away. Many years later on one particularly bad night, I believed I was going to die. In the depth of my despair, I asked Lord Jesus for forgiveness and to my surprise He answered me. My spirit has burst into such powerful flames of love and mercy that it has seemed as if I was totally dissolved in Him. By this stage I was already in a loving relationship with my partner, and when I asked Jesus if I should leave my partner. The Lord told me to regard him as my husband
@@jasonhockly8655 Unfortunately many do not possess the correct orthodox understanding on scripture and Christians feel that repentance is a once off act. Repentance is a life long struggle, one that continually demands that we analyse the sinfulness within our selves and seek the mercy of God to overcome these sinful tendencies. Pointing out the sinfulness in others is a judgmental sinful tendency that needs to be repentances of. The Pharisees were very happy to point out the sinfulness and shortcomings in others but failed to see their own. Jesus condemned this behavior. By pointing out the sinfulness in others we become like the Pharisees who were very happy to have St Mary Madelaine stoned. We behave the same way when we throw scripture to others to highlight their sinfulness. But Jesus said that those are are free from sin may cast the first stone. I always find it helpful to regard myself as the worst of all sinners. As this puts me in a position of humility and powers where it makes it easier to never judge others.
@Mason Moore Hes saying if followers of Christ really truly hated the LGBT community we would not warn them of the coming danger and salvation is only through Christ.
What a great answer: thorough, Biblical, loving, humble. When I became a new believer in Jesus Christ in the early 1980's, my mother invited me to attend "an exchange of vows" between two women. Of course, it was not "legal" then, but some homosaxuals were exchanging vows. I gave similar reasoning for not attending, and my mother exploded with profanity and accusation. I think her reason for inviting me in the first place, was so that she'd have a reason to unload this animosity against Christ, primarily. How sad. But as a new believer, it was difficult for me to choose loyalty to Christ first, since she was the only (birth) family that I had. There is sufficient reward in Christ for choosing what honors Him, and of course the whole body of Christ is my spiritual family. But I can certainly empathize with believers who are put into this circumstance, and the family implications that surround it. Thank God for the clarity of His Word. And thank God for Pastors who are courageous and do not cave in to the world and society.
Isn't it awful to have a mother who doesn't share or at least understand your reverence to God's will? The Bible says that He will come between a father and son, a mother and daughter...etc. and that we are to choose God first over everyone, including ourselves and our families. I hope all is well with you since that day 40 years ago. The reward for your faithfulness is waiting for you!
I came across your comment as i was watching the video. Currently my fiance is in a similar situation, his sister is getting "married" she invited us both, in which i say thanks for the invite but i can't attend. But his mother said he needs to go, even though she knows he does not agree with this union to begin with, she "believes in God' but she is not a firm believer. My mother in law is permitting this, and she is okay with it or seems like it, and i think her way of showing love is by going and being present. My fiance's dad is more of a solid believer and sound in scripture but he pretty much does what the wife says or feels obligated to go because is his daughter and also bc my mother in law makes it seem like a "you must go" My mother in law even told my fiance that she wouldn't come to our wedding if he doesn't go to his sisters, that broke my heart tbh. We both know we would not feel comfortable at all attending and pretending to be okay with it and how piper mentioned "lying" about it being okay. I can see he is very hurt by this because is his family and to be put in a situation like this "if you dont go... then i wont.." especially from his mother. I just pray the Lord continue to give him the strength to stay firm and faithful to the Lord and do what honors him.
@@saturn722 However, after 2 Samuel 24, and Hosea 9, why on Earth should I do that? And how do you view 'marriages' such as in Deuteronomy 21:13, and Numbers 31:18, also?
Your probably right, if you can't go to a wedding with love and respect in your understanding for the couple, you shouldn't go. it would be disingenuous and disrespectful to them.
Amos 3:3 Can two walk together, except they be agreed? 1 tim 5:22 Lay hands suddenly on no man, neither be partaker of other men's sins: keep thyself pure. First is God and his ways, than anybody else. Even is your close relative. Mat 10:37 “He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me. And he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me.
Let's alter the question. Would you attend your friend's Muslim/Hindu/Baha'i/Mormon/Zoroastrian/Jehovah's Witness/neo-pagan wedding? Whichever ceremony you attend, it constitutes an endorsement. The question is not so fanciful as you might think, given the diversity in the workplace.
Apples and oranges. It’s not the same thing. For example, a Muslim man and woman joining together in marriage is not a sin, is it? This is the standard. To live for the glory of God in a dark and sinful world is not easy. We want to be at peace with everyone, as much as possible. We want to love everyone. But, more importantly, we want to honor and serve the God who created and saved us from all our sins, and this requires living a holy life which will be in stark contrast to the world. Affirming sin is to deny the God who makes the standard for what is sinful.
Im sincerely curious why or why not JP would attend a non-Christian heterosexual wedding who remove God/Christ/Spirit from their celebration, covenant and marriage?
Because in every wedding there is a ceremony of procreation, but in a gays function, there is no such procreation ceremony and so it cannot be called wedding.
If an all BUT “Baby Christian” couldn’t give this answer they, and/or their pastor are guilty of inadequate or poor Bible study and teaching. Maranatha!
Really? It just seemed nasty and full of hate. Oddly the bible does not mention lesbianism, although obviously this represents the patriarchal time in which it was written.
Actually paster I think if you read the words of Jesus he said in heaven no man or woman will be given unto marriage so maybe you may not know him ..as you think you do we should all be careful to not make god in our own image or understanding ....now I know the typical protestant answer ...but we have the mind of Christ .....so we can say n declare ....jesus wrote on the sand when the prostirute stood accused ...turned to the pharacies n said let the first among you without sin cast first stone ...n then he turned to her n said woman were are your accusers ...? So therefore you have none ..neither do I ....go n sin no more .....sin ? What is sin ? .it's the act of selfishness ..doing something to put yourself n own needs before another ..or God ....when you judge these people paster ...be careful ...you do not know what is within there hearts ..n trust that in many hetrosexual relationships there is the seed of terrible self gratification ...
@@93Current Oh but it does. "That is why God abandoned them to their shameful desires. Even the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other." - Romans 1:26
Steven Mcleish lol it seems full of hate... sheesh. Someone is overly obsessed with modern living and doesn’t understand the Biblical literature. He said it as politely and calmly as possible, just clarifying that it is a sin based on the information found in the Bible. That, to God, a marriage is between a man and a woman. So while the “marriage” is a cultural, or lawful marriage in the eyes of the culture or government, it is not a Marriage as defined by the Old Testament nor New Testament. In fact, both Testaments define it as sin, so to attend and pretend it isn’t sinful in accordance to the Word of God is just that, it would be pretending.
I have to ask about your ideology. Do you believe that there is a difference between the soul of a women and the soul of a man? If the answer is yes, do you believe that it is possible for a women to be born in the body of a man? Personally I don't think that there is a difference. If the answer is no, why is it wrong if the union is joined in heaven? When you go to heaven will it matter, or do you even believe marriage carries into heaven? Do you believe if a women can not have babies that she can never marry someone? What is your definition of biblically moralized sex? What is the purpose of sex if procreation is no longer possible for an individual? Do you believe that people who are unable to have babies must become eunuchs? Do you believe that divorce is wrong? Do you believe that the reason God created women was solely for sexual enjoyment? What do you believe the Bible is talking about when it says that he made man and women in his image? Did God make man and women physically in his image or spiritually? Why would God create a difference in gender in the first place, considering that some animals reproduce with only one gender and sometimes even asexually? I mean I'm not someone who can easily answer all these questions by myself. I think these questions are very complex and require an understanding that only multiple people can truly answer. I do know that Paul also wrote to look at the principles of the Bible and not get hung up on specific lines. Keep in mind that the word homosexuality wasn't invented until at least a millennium after Paul had written parts of the new testament and even then, what they would have defined that term as would be closer to adultery than monogamy. Unfortunately, we can't go ask Paul what he thinks about modern day homosexuality. We can, however, follow translation throughout the centuries. People used to translate those parts as child molester. It seems to me that further study is needed to verify that this is the case. There are documents from the ancient Roman era that explain how men of status would raise the status of young boys in exchange for sexual favors. Is this the abomination that Paul is referring to? Again, I believe multiple people have to dig into this and come up with more arguments. There's a lot of evidence and some of it makes sense while others don't. It's hard to make an argument because we don't really have a definition for love. Sure, you can find it in a dictionary, but believe me I've tried to define love and it still never quite grasps what the words really means. I supposed it's because you can't tell someone what love is without first feeling it in some way. It's like explaining what the color blue looks like to a blind man. I think we should let people decide for themselves if they truly love someone, and hope to God that they'll listen to God. It is not our place to judge someone based on their beliefs. If it is a family member and it means a lot to them, I think you should go. It's not to approve of the couple being together, it's to be there for someone because it matters to them that you're there. Ultimately, you have to be the bigger man and do what's right even if you disapprove of what someone else is doing.
I truly don't understand how so many dismiss the Bible and boldly live in sin anymore. There use to b shame over sin and people hid but now.....Lord help us
While it should be obvious, so many have been deluded & are afraid of “offending” anyone. There are so many who fall for the lies of the devil & bow to the desires of man.
One of the pastors at our church said she went to one to let the people know she loved them, right where they were. I had a hard time understanding her because just showing up is affirmation.
This reply is most apt and based on the Word of God. Thank you, I'm certainly going to use this reply to teach this fundamental truth about marriage to the unlearned.
Yes!!! Finally someone not afraid to tell the absolute truth! I have honestly never heard many pastors speak about this topic so honest and raw...so there is NO confusion about what he believes. I honestly think some of these high profile pastors should take notes. Imagine the deliverance and salvation as a result.
@@pastorbri Not sure what you mean here but I see you are all over the comments with this homophobic rhetoric. Either way, I still stand by what I said. Praise God for the undiluted word of God!!! Hallelujah!! I guess the truth makes people feel uncomfortable. 🤷♀️🤷♀️🤷♀️
I was at work and a work,m ate asked me to sign a card for one of the others lesbian wedding. I politely refused because by signing the card I felt I would be technically speaking a blessing over it. It wasn’t easy to do and I felt the social pressure but I’m glad I made a simple low key stand.
Romans 1:31 addresses this head on: "they not only do them but give approval to those who practice them". Attending would be giving approval, something we are commanded not to do.
I just want to say that I love my two lesbian sisters and I have zero respect for anybody who would discriminate against them even if they use religion as an excuse. I'm aware that many people will hate this comment and those people are not going to change my mind.
Gays celebrating a wedding is like a pair of communists coming to america to celebrate marx's manifest. The point of this message is why would you do that? I dont think anybody talked about discrimination
Holy Experience no it doesn’t I didn’t just wake up one day and say I wanna be gay. I’ve always felt this way. And from what I can understand under the eyes of the law it’s legal so Imma live my life as a homosexual. Period.
I totally agree with Pastor John and I thank him for listings the reasons. I have to say the thought of it made made me feel sick. Keep up the good work Pastor John.
@Mason Moore yeah but if you are wrong about this whole god thing, then you are wrong for eternity. If the believers were wrong, well, then it would have only mattered to them for the life they lived, for how many years, but it wouldn't have mattered anyway because their existence doesn't exist anymore.
Absolutely yes. Without hesitation. Think about the change you have among all those people at the wedding sharing the truth about a transformed divine life. Epic! www.anewcreationinchrist.nl/english
Just contemplating the idea that so-called pastor John is a decent human being, but is really quite hateful in his sense of certainty in his ability to interpret a book, is heart-breaking. This lifestyle of deciding that a book, written by men, interpreting what other men said, is quite destructive, defiling the beauty of human beings. There is such a weight of sorrow that someone like this human being does so much to hurt people who listen to him.
i remember seeing this video when i was young and struggling with my sexuality. i knew i was not a christian, but could not for the life of me figure out how my mother, a very devout christian, would respond to my coming out. and this video shattered me. i knew that john piper was one of the pastors that my mother truly loved, and i could only assume that my mother would take on this same cold, distanced attitude towards me as a lesbian that john piper models in this video. i am not overexaggerating here - it was something that played in my mind for years as i internally weighed how she might react. i was terrified that this would be her attitude. i am grateful that this ended up not being her attitude. i am grateful that i was able to come out to her because she sat down and told me, verbatim, that she would be happy to attend a future same-sex wedding i may have. it shocked me, and it made me so joyful. for years this video deluded me into thinking my mother could be so cold and callous as to see me or the relationships i may one day be a part of as broken, flawed, sinful, and ultimately something she would not condone. that was not the case. this woman found a way to both love and obey her god and love me as a lesbian. i hope that many of the christians who view this video go on to do the same. and i hope that john piper understands the fear this kind of talk can strike in the hearts of young gay people who are uncertain of how their christian family members will react. i am not bitter or resentful, and i harbor no ill will towards christians or christianity as a whole. i only wish that christians may understand the gravity of their words which may seem like another trivial opinion.
Your mom is awesome! She put her love for you above who you choose to be. Her's is a reflection of the Father, you know that. Father God doesn't look negatively on you. Rather He still waits for you to return. You know the story of how Jesus dined with the drunks, prostitutes, tax collectors, etc. Makes you wonder why.
Ps is not preaching the truth, he is preaching his truth, not God's truth. No where in the Bible does it say - two of the same sex in a loving and committed relationship are sinning. Homosexuality is not a sin, love is love, and God is love
@@bil.johnson_ Truth may hurt, but if you are talking about homosexuality its not a sin, and therefore, not hurtful in the least. Be who God created you to be, not what someone whats you to be.
My best guess is he will never have to face this dilemma. Who the heck is going to invite THIS guy to their gay wedding. The question posed is like asking a member of the kkk if they would attend their daughter’s interracial wedding.
There is nothing brave and nothing loving about associating loving relationships between two people and ceremonies to represent that love with theft and greed. I have dear dear friends who are gay and who are married. One of them does absolutely brilliant and tireless and gruelling work for a charity that is just down the road from me. He loves his partner very very dearly and many other people have benefitted from the warmth and from the strength of their relationship. They love each other and are devoted to each other and as yet no major disaster has happened because they have sex together and are married to each other. But as soon as they cause an earthquake or one of them goes onto the local university campus and starts shooting people I will let you know. After all these events are just as hideous as the marriage this sinful hell bound pair have initiated themselves in. The charity in question saves lives by offering a loving and listening service for people who are so broken and mentally ill or have so many problems they have run from their own homes. Perhaps pastor John would like to meet some of the people that my friend has helped away from suicide and into safety before he tells him his relationship is an abomination and his marriage no better than a celebration of lust or greed. We can give him a tour of the place and he can meet the other gay people who tirelessly work there too.
This pastor has every right to believe as he does. My question to the reader of this comment is this: What is more important to you, the purity of your witness (which makes it all about you), or the redemption of the two souls you believe are in deadly peril. If I were your brother, or your son, or your father, and you distance yourself from me, and refused to welcome my beloved into the family, and dare to presume that you are closer to God and more righteous than the two of us, then all you would accomplish is to convince me that you are mistaken and that God is to be found elsewhere. However, if you tell the truth once about your convictions, then proceed to show us all the love and welcome that you would to any other members of the family, I might begin to suspect that the Spirit of God is actually speaking through you after all. I speak from personal experience.
pastor brian if you’re saying we should support gay marriage I would ask where? It says it finds no joy in unrighteousness but rejoices in truth. And chapter 6 speaks of this
@@williamkilgore6899 should we support people who are left handed? If so Id ask where? Don't laugh as religious folk also condemned the left handed too.....so we should condemn homophobia yes.
well done mr. piper. i thought this guy would go soft on this but he nailed it. no one has nor ever will attend a gay marriage as they simply don't exist.
Amen. he means they do not exist because it is not considered a marriage, but a funeral. Very well said. It it a shame that in todays "Christianity" this is still a question asked.
atheistsrnumber1 Interesting I am married - Iowa - married in a Christian Church before God. A trio of Iowa-based religious scholars penned an op-ed, reminding readers that despite popular opinion, the Bible does not simply define marriage as between one man and one woman. The argument against same-sex marriage is wholly unsustainable debate about marriage equality often centers, however discretely, on an appeal to the Bible. Unfortunately, such appeals often reflect a lack of biblical literacy on the part of those who use that complex collection of texts as an authority to enact modern social policy. The Bible's definition of marriage can be confusing and contradictory. A primary example of this is the religious book's stance on polygamy, a practice that was embraced by prominent biblical figures Abraham and David. Various Bible passages mention not only traditional monogamy, but also self-induced castration and celibacy, as well as the practice of wedding rape victims to their rapists. There are some people he may never be able to convince. Many politicians have made a career out of using the Bible to justify opposition to hot-button topics like same sex marriage. Those that use the Bible aren't necessarily interested in the truth or the complexity of the Bible. They are looking for one ancient sound bite to convince people what they already believe. Anyone who argues that "the Bible speaks plainly on one issue, especially something as complicated as marriage ... haven't take the time to read all of it.
kate shk A trio of Iowa-based religious scholars penned an op-ed, reminding readers that despite popular opinion, the Bible does not simply define marriage as between one man and one woman. The argument against same-sex marriage is wholly unsustainable debate about marriage equality often centers, however discretely, on an appeal to the Bible. Unfortunately, such appeals often reflect a lack of biblical literacy on the part of those who use that complex collection of texts as an authority to enact modern social policy. The Bible's definition of marriage can be confusing and contradictory. A primary example of this is the religious book's stance on polygamy, a practice that was embraced by prominent biblical figures Abraham and David. Various Bible passages mention not only traditional monogamy, but also self-induced castration and celibacy, as well as the practice of wedding rape victims to their rapists. There are some people he may never be able to convince. Many politicians have made a career out of using the Bible to justify opposition to hot-button topics like same sex marriage. Those that use the Bible aren't necessarily interested in the truth or the complexity of the Bible. They are looking for one ancient sound bite to convince people what they already believe. Anyone who argues that "the Bible speaks plainly on one issue, especially something as complicated as marriage ... haven't take the time to read all of it.
@just repelsteeltje My point was God made them, one man one woman. He was here way before the Greeks, the Romans, etc. He invented this thing we call marriage. What makes you so certain that its just a false story? 😊
@just repelsteeltje God (Jesus) existed before the existence of the universe. Its the law, the commandment, his idea. He is King. He says whats, what. Followers of Jesus get it from him. Yeah, I think marriage is a privilege, is their a problem with that? You said all these things (geology, archeology, etc) disprove the Bible but you didnt give many any examples whatsoever.😊
Absolutely, as we are living under the new covenant and not the old. Anyone with an ounce of biblical understanding knows that Christians are not yoked to mosaic law. However, even under the new covenant, the Bible is clear on sexual immorality.
@@Vwilks23 So in the old covenant your god is ok with slavery and making you marry your rapist and having multiple wives but you're ok with him because he sacrificed himself to himself and now your'e forgiven? Why should we care what the new covenent says - it gave you eternal damnation. Did your God make a mistake in the Old Testament or is it a different God you now worship?
Donniebrasco he wasn’t okay those things. Those things happened because people have always been pretty terrible and he told them how to deal with it. Slavery in the Old Testament looked nothing like the slavery that happened in America. People would sell themselves into slavery bc they were poor and there were rules on how to treat them, when to set them free, and they were given money when they left. They didn’t leave empty handed. If a woman was raped back then, her chances of marriage were ruined, and she would probably die alone. The man being forced to marry her was a way to ensure she wouldn’t end up starving to death. It’s amazing that people can honestly believe they’re more righteous than God. If you want to understand it, study it. God was never “okay” with evil. People have just always sucked and he loved them anyway.
George Penton Imagine the good I could do in the world if I had that amount wealth to actually make a change. Provide life saving medicine to those who need it. Send youths to college to get an education and better themselves. Feed and re-house the homeless. Provide underprivileged children with access to technology that helps them learn. That’s what it would profit.
Love and approval are not the same If you have a gay family member or friend never stop loving them One day they will need this love when they turn their lives to God ❤️🙏
Its hard for them to understand that unfortunately. Love is no approving of someones self destruction but they see it as us destroying them by not going along with it. The normalization of this prevents people from taking a proper stance.
@@enriqued8220 The truth that God sent His sinless Son into a sinful world you would think that we be enough to convince people that with drawing our (God's people) presence from those who are still dead in their as we once where would be enough to show that God's mercy triumphs over judgment and that if we truly hope for the absence of evil in a person's life them we as God's people must bring the Presence of God into their lives Yes God's love and Him Presence is certainly not approval for our sins Where would be now if God had abandoned us when we were once lost in our sins My brother died 12 years ago he was gay but because of God's love shown through God's people and their prayer's of faith hope and love for him he repented and turned back to Jesus Christ before he died If we totally reject the sinner who will they turn to when they begin to reach out to God 🙏❤️ The prodigal son left the father the father never left the prodigal son I will never leave you or forsake you is God's promise to us If only we could be more like God Jesus Christ is Alive 🙏❤️
@@satellitesurfrockanthonyak5738 God hates the sinner not the sin. This isn't personal I try to tell people but people are so attached to their sin that it becomes personal to them unfortunately. We need to teach grace before judgment but if we reject grace judgement does come eventually and im happy your brother was able to repent from his lifestyle. Sin at the end of the day is just selfishness. People have becomes lovers of pleasure more than lovers of God. Theres a fine line between being graceful with people and being cowardly. If there's a hole in front of your brother or sister it is your duty to tell them about that hole in front of them and not let them think that you agree with the lifestyle. The reality is some people just haven't had their ideas challenged and we shouldn't sacrifice telling the truth in order to appease a lifestyle we know is wrong for fear of offending someone. The worlds normalization of this lifestyle has really blurred peoples lines of whats acceptable and not when just a couple decades ago the answer was clear but now people are too politicaly correct to rebuke the LGBT religion. They've moved the overten window and im not moving with it.This is bigger than all of us and the sooner people realize that the better. Grace is important but just as important is the fear of God and thats the key element thats missing from people that live this lifestyle. We don't want people to deal with God's wrath because it is the worst thing that can be upon you. We want them to remember to appreciate God's grace and let those things go so they don't have to deal with that wrath that's coming. People are too shortsighted to see this thats why its our job to remind them because if you don't then you have blood on your hands but only God can change someone's heart. Its our job to remind people of God's grace but also his judgement. And if you understand God's judgement then it leads you right into his grace. Scares you straight so to speak no pun intended lol thankfully God's grace is amazing and people still have time to repent and im thankful for that and thankful your brother had one last shot before it was time to leave from here. Long story short you either get convicted of your sin in this world and repent from it or you'll face God with it when you leave and we all know thats a recipe for disaster. This is why Jesus said to forgive them for they do not know what they do. Because if they did know then they wouldn't be doing what their doing but let's hope and pray more people see the error in their ways so they may too be apart of eternity with God and not sacrifice is for temporary wicked pleasure.
For judgment without mercy will be shown to anyone who has not been merciful. Mercy triumphs over judgment James 2:13 Take notice, therefore, of the kindness and severity of God: severity to those who fell, but kindness to you, if you continue in His kindness. Otherwise you also will be cut off Romans 11:22 Whether saint or sinner we all desperately need God Lest we forget ❤ Jesus Christ is God
@@satellitesurfrockanthonyak5738 thank you for those verses they were edifying to me. This verse from Matthew chapter 10 really spoke to me id like to share it with you. Its something I truly feel at this time and its the words of the Lord Jesus Christ who is God.Amen. ssage Resources Hebrew/Greek Your Content Matthew 10 King James Version 10 And when he had called unto him his twelve disciples, he gave them power against unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all manner of sickness and all manner of disease. 2 Now the names of the twelve apostles are these; The first, Simon, who is called Peter, and Andrew his brother; James the son of Zebedee, and John his brother; 3 Philip, and Bartholomew; Thomas, and Matthew the publican; James the son of Alphaeus, and Lebbaeus, whose surname was Thaddaeus; 4 Simon the Canaanite, and Judas Iscariot, who also betrayed him. 5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: 6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. 7 And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand. 8 Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give. 9 Provide neither gold, nor silver, nor brass in your purses, 10 Nor scrip for your journey, neither two coats, neither shoes, nor yet staves: for the workman is worthy of his meat. 11 And into whatsoever city or town ye shall enter, enquire who in it is worthy; and there abide till ye go thence. 12 And when ye come into an house, salute it. 13 And if the house be worthy, let your peace come upon it: but if it be not worthy, let your peace return to you. 14 And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet. 15 Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city. 16 Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves. 17 But beware of men: for they will deliver you up to the councils, and they will scourge you in their synagogues; 18 And ye shall be brought before governors and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them and the Gentiles. 19 But when they deliver you up, take no thought how or what ye shall speak: for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak. 20 For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you. 21 And the brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death. 22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved. 23 But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come. 24 The disciple is not above his master, nor the servant above his lord. 25 It is enough for the disciple that he be as his master, and the servant as his lord. If they have called the master of the house Beelzebub, how much more shall they call them of his household? 26 Fear them not therefore: for there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; and hid, that shall not be known. 27 What I tell you in darkness, that speak ye in light: and what ye hear in the ear, that preach ye upon the housetops. 28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. 29 Are not two sparrows sold for a farthing? and one of them shall not fall on the ground without your Father. 30 But the very hairs of your head are all numbered. 31 Fear ye not therefore, ye are of more value than many sparrows. 32 Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven. 33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven. 34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. 35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. 36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household. 37 He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. 38 And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me. 39 He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life for my sake shall find it. 40 He that receiveth you receiveth me, and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me. 41 He that receiveth a prophet in the name of a prophet shall receive a prophet's reward; and he that receiveth a righteous man in the name of a righteous man shall receive a righteous man's reward. 42 And whosoever shall give to drink unto one of these little ones a cup of cold water only in the name of a disciple, verily I say unto you, he shall in no wise lose his reward. God bless you and thank you for the verses. Mercy truly great thanks to God. It is one of many and maybe the most important gift of them all. With that being said may God have mercy on all of us. And we may he wise enough to ask for it.
@@colinmatts I bet HE could and HE could also stop you or anyone else at any time HE Wanted to. HALLELUJAH!! PRAISE THE LORD GOD of ABRAHAM, ISAAC, AND JACOB FOREVER MORE!!!!
colinmatts yeah that’s because they want to. Why would God stop people from going to a wedding that they want to go to. If someone really doesn’t want to go to a gay wedding I feel like God would provide them a way to not go.
Nope. Coming to such an event would mean that I was in agreement with it (Amos 3:3), and I'm not. I won't judge because Christ didn't come to judge but to save. I'd love them in Christ and try to lead them to the truth.
Fair Point 1 second ago The usual unoriginal thoughts of those inured in Bronze Age fairy tales. Not one iota of tangible evidence to support their flatulent musings.
Because the gay person is a person and if they are marrying they are christian and God is love not preference and 1 of the commandments actually says you should treat your neighbor as you would wish for yourself to be treated. That's that.
That's a perverted interpretation. The Bible warns us of you false idol dummies. The only reason a Christian would go is to protest and try to save them from [Hell. It's that simple.
Who said Christianity promoted pride? That's a s deadly sin as well. We don't think we are better than you. We're just trying to morally guide you away from suffering.
@Pax are you gonna go to a prison party where they are celebrating that they murdered someone? It's u conditional love no? You're just there with them. In their sin. Celebrating their sin and completely condoning it. Nothing wrong with that right? (sarcasm)
@@vchow6749 no you're right it's not rude, it's wrong. which is my point. and yes harming and killing people for their lifestyle is also wrong so stop disagreeing and try to do something about it.
His ability to speak without moving his lips is truly miraculous.
fred smith Thank you for being the comic relief in this comment section. LOL
Your ability to hate is what impresses me even more!
fred smith 😂😂
YouAreNotCool 😂👏🏼
Lmao u funny
"Anyone who joins in celebrating sin is sinning." This man just preached and spoke on "pride month" without even having to mention it
Amen.
Yes, you're right.I just came across Pastor John now , as one does on this platform..Bless you.May God keep you in good stead
Nice story lol
Exactly!!!
Modern day Pharisee ..when jesus went to the home of the tax collector they said exactly the same thing to him ......
*Finally, a real man of God, with an obedient heart for God!*
I'd rather stand with God and against the world, rather than with the world and against God.
Aren't you *so* brave?
Nik L amen I'm with you I'm tired of cowards and people that's not standing up for truth
This pastor believes Catholics will go to heaven
@@mayacharrat6401 Why would God call them out of Babylon if there were none to be saved there?🤔
A real man of God....??? Really
My son is gay and almost married his lover. I was sick at heart and torn because we believe it is wrong. We keep praying none of his relationships will last. He was raised in Christian home but has left his faith and is angry that God made him gay. His name is Aaron. Please pray for him. We love him so. Our arms are open wide too but he has also left us.
My sympathy for you.
Please don't stop praying and loving on your son!
Why are you sick at heart ? There is not one of us without sin ...your son you say is angry at god for making him gay ..... understand please ...his anger is because man judges him so called Christians judge him ...n yet ...whom of us can say we no longer sin ,? If the lord met with him n he will .his response to him would be very very different from the response of the church that he was brought up in ....pray for him ....yes but also I pray for all those whom made him feel the worst ..and excluded.. actually Paul said he was the worst of sinners ....don't worry ...his ways are not our ways neither his thoughts ours ....my prayers are for healing for you ...nnin so too healing for him
Unconditional love ...that is the lord's way ...I sense in your heart your inclined to that ...n it is right ...do not do not say look your wrong it's against God ...unless you yourself are totally without sin ....because even a thought a passion a small sin is still against God ....n we all fall short...but the problem is your telling him he falls way shorter than you ....missing the mark is missing the mark ....that's why he came ...for all of us n that's why Saint Paul in the new testiment said he was the cheif of sinners ...may God bless you n trust he hears the heart of man humbled xxxxccmuch love ...ask God to deal with you .n me ...n then once that happens healing will come....I can tell you this because me n my family have been thru this
Unconditional love that is the lord's way
after hearing Alistair Begg tell a grandma to go to her grandson transgender wedding & take a gift !I am so thankful to hear Pastor Piper stick with the Bible says...Brother Begg needs to repent...
But you have to be fair to him, by that he did not mean she should affirm the wedding, but he only meant she should do it as a demonstration of love. His advice is still disagreeable, but we should be accurate about what he precisely meant
@@ead630 agreed and thats a fair point. however, showing up is affirmation in and of itself which would not be a demonstration of love.
This whole debate boils down to whether you believe in what the bible says or not. If you do, then you'll agree with Piper, otherwise go with the flow. My personal opinion is to agree with him, but I want to emphasize that this doesn't justify any kind of hate towards anyone. You may disagree with or hate their acts, but Jesus teaches us to always love and wisely serve everyone as they are.
I didn't go to my sons either.I couldn't pretend I am happy with it....
Brick Shots TV is it unloving to not attend because of their orientation?
@@mnight207 No. It would be unloving to condemn them though. It would also be unloving to condone their sin which would ultimately destroy them (unless they repent).
But if you believe in the bible then you're contradicting yourself it is a sin to follow false prophets right so how do you know these were the prophets of god who wrote this bullshit you don't because no man can claim theyre the prophet of god I listen to god not men #Getwoke
Your son was lucky then. Hope he and his husband had a lovely day. You are the one that missed out on one of the most important days in his life and he was better off without you there.
Being a ‘Christian ‘ is hard in a satanic world, going through this now, and have had many a difficult discussions in my family. Dealing with a prodigal is most heart wrenching, but remember God honors the commitment to His word, be strong in the Lord.
Walking with Christ as He commands will only get harder, but the cost of falling away is just too great to go any other way
Amen
@@josephzanes7334 So true and when you love God and are in a relationship with Him, being without Him is not an option...
It is really tough I also have a prodigal cousin, and No did not attend, but love him with all my heart❤
@@ToninoterRessort We put our complete trust in Christ, turn from our sin and to His righteousness and He will change us! I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me.
Almost 3 years ago, I attended my male cousin's wedding to another man. Coming from a Catholic family, some of my family members did not agree with nor attend the wedding, but I went even though I didn't agree with homosexuality. I was still a young Christian and I never felt like it was my place to directly tell them they were wrong, since my cousin is quite a few years older than I am and we were never really that close growing up. But I can say that at the wedding, I did not really enjoy myself. I felt like a huge part of what marriage is meant to be was missing and it just didn't feel real. I ended up dancing for one song and then sat at the table and wanted to go to bed. I feel sad for my cousin and I don't really know how to help him. And now, he and the guy he calls his husband have created 2 beautiful baby girls via in-vitro fertilization and a surrogate mother, and I also don't know how to react to this process. They are innocent babies created in the image of God and I am trying to celebrate their lives. But at the same time I am heartbroken that they aren't being raised by their mother and instead have two fathers. Also I'm scared that they won't teach these precious babies about Jesus and that when they grow up, they will only see a god who is against their fathers. Please pray for my family and these baby girls. Thank you!
All you can do is share the Word of GOD with them. After that your job is done, it is now their decision to make
Good Grief….
Im sure those baby girls are going to grow up loved and free to find Jesus just the same. I have several friends of same sex marriage raising children and those children are precious and perfect and doing perfectly fine. Celebrate their life as much as you can without judging their circumstance because that’s the true way to love others in the face of disagreement
Perverse and mentally sick world we live in, when we even consider the abomination of 2 men getting married as even close to legitimate. Marriage is for a man and woman. Adam and Eve, NOT Adam and Steve.
I encourage you piper to speak the truth no matter what people say about the matter. The Gospel is only foolish to those who are perishing.
So it's okay and not foolish if you sell your Daughter as a sex slave, who can then sell her to his son when he is bored with her too as per Exodus 21:7?
@@j.n.3577 Why does it matter ro "you" what she takes literally...? 🤔
@@msladymack1960 She's making a hypocritical point on a public comment forum, I'm calling it out. SIMPLE. What point are you making other than posting a useless question?
@@j.n.3577 You have to understand the Bible and the sequence of events. Old Testament deals with Israel being under "The Law". They were far from perfect people, but they were chosen by God. For them, God issued 10 commandments and 600+ laws because they were so corrupted in their hearts that no one would survive if every sin was punishable by death. Those laws were made for Israel and they are not to be taken out of context. Those laws don't reflect the personality of God, they just reflect the corruption of Israel. Jesus on the other hand reflects the personality of God, He gave the 2 commandments that overwrite all 600 of them.
Matthew 22:37-40
Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself. 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.
People try too hard to depict God anything else but love. You have to study the Bible and see for yourself.
@@Ovinski Those evil laws cannot be dismissed since it was cruel behavior condoned. There isn't any context that makes it morally acceptable unless you condone/passively endorse human (sex) trafficking which the Scripture there clearly does. I'm not claiming it reflects any god, esp. since the Bible was written by men. Ceremonial laws may have been abolished, but that is the only thing I've seen, such as certain dietary and clothing restrictions.
Love is NOT accepting EVERYTHING about a person. There are things that I will not accept even in my own children. That does not mean I don't love them. My love FOR THEM is unconditional. However, I don't have to love everything they do... just them. I'm sure that most of you calling this man a bigot or whatever would not and do not accept certain behaviors from people that you love. They cannot do whatever they want to do to you or around you. That does not mean that you do not love them. It just means that some of their behaviors go against something you believe in.
If you don't want to be a Christian, then don't be. You don't have to believe in the Bible. But as in every type of organization there are rules you must adhere to to be a part of that organization. If you want to actively participate in that lifestyle, then you cannot be a Christian. We are talking about a lifestyle... there are certain lifestyles, homosexuality is one of them, that I do not support. That does not mean that I don't love the people who say they are. It just means that I don't /won't support what I don't believe in. I don't have to love homosexuality to love them as individuals. I love my God more than I love sin.
I have friends that love the New York Giants. I HATE the Giants and all that goes into supporting them. But I love my friends that support them. Same premise. So stop calling people names when they don't love EVERYTHING you do. That is not a prerequisite for love. Love should be unconditional.
Also remember that everything you "LOVE" is not always good for you... Just because two adults find common ground in something doesn't make it the right thing to do, especially as it pertains to the Bible. If you don't want to be Christian, then don't be. But don't level dispersions at those of us that want to be. Something to think about.
Great, well articulated response.
Greg Miller Thank you... You have a blessed and wonderful day.
Well said!
I totally agree! Well said!
ORIGINAL MAN CONCEPTS / DIATRIBE
Your kids are gay
This has great value today in light of the Alistair Begg controversy. I like Piper's answer.
It really doesn't apply. While he quotes 1 Cor 6 he forgets 1 Cor 5:9-12 I wonder how many people invite unbelieving friends to their Christian weddings, does that then make their wedding acceptable and unbelieving, well looking at the divorce rate maybe they are unbelieving to begin with, or valid why would we think our attendance in some way means affirmation. When you protest something you can do it in many ways I would have taken a Bible as a gift and highlight every passage. We are to make disciples use your opportunities as you can. Maybe it would be good to sit and cry at these physicalist humanist "weddings" or "marriages" or "unions" because it is truly a sad occasion. It should be attended as anyone attends a funeral.
@SavioursWon but what you're saying when you state, "use your opportunities as you can" is that the end justifies the means. But we know that we have to do what is pleasing in the eyes of the Lord. Just because we we might be able to "disciple" them by showing love at their wedding (if we can call it that), doesn't mean it's the right thing.
@@mhwt565 ("use your opportunities as you can" is that the end justifies the means) that is clearly a false equivalence, making disciples is pleasing to the Lord. It is the duty of all Christians. Further "17But, dear friends, remember what the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ foretold. 18They said to you, “In the last times there will be scoffers who will follow their own ungodly desires.” 19These are the people who divide you, who follow mere natural instincts and do not have the Spirit.
20But you, dear friends, by building yourselves up in your most holy faith and praying in the Holy Spirit, 21keep yourselves in God’s love as you wait for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ to bring you to eternal life.
22Be merciful to those who doubt; 23save others by snatching them from the fire; to others show mercy, mixed with fear-hating even the clothing stained by corrupted flesh." Try to understand, Christians are like people who have a cold and are contagious and they go around to others who also have a cold and they sit there giving each other c cold when what we are supposed to do is be contagious to others. You cannot live in isolation and be effective in the ministry. This is the reason I previously posted 1 Cor 5. God bless.
@@SavioursWon Watch Justin Peter's pastoral response to Beggs. This should help to unpack the deeper principles of what is acceptable/unacceptable and why according to the Bible as long as you are one of us that follow that, not our own understandings or feelings
@@KNIGHTFOX80 yeah long winded and sorry they never once show why going to this event was actually sinful, they just make weak analogies and make up things about what Jesus would or would not doand try and say that the gospel accounts for everything that Jesus did, they poison the well, make strawman arguments about what the sermon was about and I get they felt offended by his response but he really never needed to respond to begin with or apologise, nor should the church act like cancel culture thugs we see running around, what they have to do is show the sinfulness of being in attendance is sinful and this they are unable to do, the only reason I would not send someone to this event is because it may affect them seeing the degradation but not everyone is so thin skinned that they are unable to stand firm on the truth in the face of evil and show God's love that He came down and walked among filthy disgusting constantly sinning sinners in all their daily and constant filth and hatred and blasphemy of God. Please we really need to see God's love clearly and not invent this idea to not infiltrate and influence the culture the world or the church will become irrelevant. Hey but maybe I'm just not so bright and all these clever people are just far too smart. You have to deal with 1 Cor 5 and other passages which tell us to influence the culture. Please notice not once didBegg and neither have I affirmed this marriage as such or claimed it tobe a valid marriage/wedding etc.
That's such a good answer. Thank you for your honesty and for not caving into the current politically correct culture. You are a man of integrity.
An easy search: BIBLE + FREEMASONRY, through which lies and truth becomes easy listed.
So far i have listed 28 lies and 28 truth.
Have you started to dig? What have you found?
What do you know about masonry club?
About the evil rulers of this world, masons, what you know about them?
I understand his answer, I think it is a logically consistent, and loving response response. But I have a question - don't we, as Christians, do the same thing when we celebrate the marriages of heterosexual couples who aren't getting married under God, or who are living in lifestyles of sin? How can we separate the two? Thanks.
LINDSAY BENITEZ you’re right on, it’s the same thing! Marriage is a covenant & when you attend a wedding you are being a witness to the covenant. So it’s definitely important for us to be in prayer and have discernment about whether or not to attend a wedding!
Yes exactly. I agree with everything he says but your question is so valid too.
Just a quick thought but I disagree. Whenever a marriage occurs with one man and one woman, God recognizes that as a marriage whether they attribute it to Him or not.
Versus a "same-sex marriage" is more just a worldy ritual and doesn't have any Biblical support whatsoever.
@@wengel_eth I think theyre referring to cases like say a divorcee who is remarrying.
@@ayoiawe Ahh, I see. If that's the case then it depends on the life status of the other divorcee (if the former spouse is dead then the marriage covenant is broken). But otherwise I would treat it the same as the same-sex ritual.
I just love anyone who is not afraid to speak the truth!
+Cindy w Thanks - the truth is homosexuality is not in the original text of the Bible, its not a sin to be homosexual
Whether it uses the term or not, the meaning is still the same. The original text was translated so all can read it and understand it, not to change the meaning. If we are going to follow your logic then maybe stealing and all the other sins should be thrown out as well because it was originally written in a different language.
+imdaboss426 Amen! That's true!
+imdaboss426 Amen! That's true!
imdaboss426 He never used a word that said or means homosexual - that is the point. It has been re and mistranslated to say something that is not in the original text.
Homosexuality is not a sin in the original text of the Bible.
I am in a difficult situation because I got saved 5 years ago and from the age of 4 I’ve known my dad to be homosexual, I had always grown up knowing it wasn’t ‘normal’ but I loved and still love my dad a lot I used to celebrate his sexuality and if anyone spoke against him or made fun of him because of it o would get very angry. My dad announced he was getting married last year and I couldn’t celebrate it, I couldn’t go to it or wish him congratulations because I know what I didn’t know before, I love my dad and I was bold enough to tell him why I couldn’t go or celebrate it, I tried to tell him in the gentle and kindest way I could and explained that we are all sinners in need of saving and gossip or lying is no greater than homosexuality, it has completely ruined our relationship I’m heartbroken and hurt because dad has taken this as a rejection from me and I’m a bigoted Christian labelled as hateful towards the gay community. I have tried to explain to him but I can’t do anymore he lives abroad so I never see him which makes it worse. This had been a testing time for me these past 3 years. But I know he needs saving I know he needs Jesus so I can’t celebrate what god calls sin and watch my dad walk into hell, I love him and want to tell him the truth even if that means our relationship is fractured. Please pray for me for wisdom and understanding and please pray for my dad Neil, thank you
Charlene Bains:stay the course, run the race, endure. We are to love God more than man, even our very own family. If your Dad truly loved with the agape love he should have for his child, then your opinion of his lifestyle would not stop him loving you. Sadly the human heart is more wicked, more deceptive than most of us begin to acknowledge. Sexual preference is not something we are born with. This one of the greatest lies of the devil.
If people were born 'gay' then people are born 'pedophile'. Taste for certain things is not what we are, it is simply we get a taste and a liking and so have preferences through experiences and by how our minds process these experiences. Love your Dad, pray for him daily, never give up hope. Being reborn in the spirit changes not only hearts (love of evil) but changes mind (having the mind of Christ in us) and we turn from sin which is essentially everything that harms us and separates us from God.
I really have sympathy for what u going through with ur father.
But also i praise u for standing so strong and so bold in ur faith.
U can do exactly what our Lord has warn us in Matthew 10:34-39.
i doubt that i can do the same if i were in ur place.
so cheer up and always look to our Lord Jesus face, let the holy spirit comfort u n give u strength.
u have experience what a follower of Jesus must experience.
Let's what is said in acts 5:41 comfort u, that u were counted worthy to suffer shame for His name.
Keep pray for the work of Holy Spirit so ur father can know and accept the truth n changed.
Charlene Bains good for you Charlene! What you did was actually much more loving and caring than attending would have been. Love is seldom about going along with what looks good, sounds good, or feels good.
Praying for you and your father. Hoping that the relationship may not sever any deeper and that reconciliation may happen.
You did NOT do anything wrong. I pray that your dad will see the error of his ways and repent knowing that God loves him very much but not his sin. Most of all I pray that you are alright and that you never ever give up...give in...or compromise because those who are in sin have a tendency to make those who are obedient to God feel bad. And make you feel the emotional blackmail. But you are not alone. Know that there are other ppl facing the same test and trials in their walk with God. Amen.
I am not a Christian but I hope my thoughts are welcomed here. I thought Pastor John presented an empassioned case for what naturally follows if one accepts the tenets of Christianity. For me, my means of empathising with this is to liken Christian tenets to mathematical axioms in that, if they are accepted, what follows can be internally consistent.
But what struck me more and what motivated me to comment is not necessarily this consistency, but more that I discerned an earnest compassion and a heartfelt remorse in John's voice imagining his son spending an eternity in hellfire for following a path towards a sincere, if axiomatically misguided, conception of love.
This must be a struggle for Christians when love is invoked in support of acceptance of LBG+ lifestyles for, of course, who would dare argue against love? That's the definition of hate. But if one wholeheartedly accepts the tenets of Christianity, the most loving thing one can do for a loved one is to guide them on a pathway away from eternal damnation.
That must be so tough to grapple with day-to-day. I do feel for you. I know we're all just trying to do what we think is best for ourselves and our loved ones.
That's the best insight into the Christian view of this topic I have read, and it didn't come from a Christian either.
You’re so right. Thank you
The way you explained it was beautiful!
Well, sexuality and relationships derived from it are not analogous to math. Secondly, a belief system that does not distinguish between consenting adults and what they do and people transgressing others in some way isn't one I have any interest in at all.
Amazing response, don't be like the other Christians that have gone against the word because of what society says, well done Pastor John
Amen
He is right though! I am conflicted by attending one myself so I think I will stay at home.
He is a clown
@@cfoodsmella1041 i think you are
@@blossom86branche70 I bet you do, I think your full of hate
That last part almost got a tear out of me. I am such a prodigal son. And can have no pride or boasting in such a thing. God bless you, Pastor John.
Don't celebrate Sin and something that curupt in God's eyes
Jesus responds differently ...if you recall ..he went to the house of the tax collector ...the sinful ...n ate n dined with them ....which the Pharisee s of the time spoke the same things yo...I wee....
Which Jesus you talking about?
Please may I share my testimony with you. I always knew that I was gay, and from a very young age I prayed to God asking Him to take these tendencies away.
Many years later on one particularly bad night, I believed I was going to die. In the depth of my despair, I asked Lord Jesus for forgiveness and to my surprise He answered me.
My spirit has burst into such powerful flames of love and mercy that it has seemed as if I was totally dissolved in Him.
By this stage I was already in a loving relationship with my partner, and when I asked Jesus if I should leave my partner.
Jesus told me to regard him as my husband.
@@jean-pauldebeer8151 Jesus, who rejects the unrepentant, does not accept your union. Your position is not supported in the Bible, regardless of your preferences.
Homosexual and marriage cannot be put together. Sorry, what happens at such a ceremony is not in anyway, shape or form, marriage.
Wow, when he said that I know this truth wrecked some people's (even some Christians) belief system.
Exactly,totally agree,not a real marriage!!
@@t-squared6406 so glad your opinion does not really matter and it's legal in America and many other countries too.
@@dab7963 Let me ask you this,can they have children natural ever,never,it wasn't meant to be,the bigger issue is knowing Jesus and obeying Him or not!!!
@@t-squared6406 I prefer to focus on love and what is possible not your judgmental negative beliefs. You also show how much you don't know. I have several gay friends two had children naturally from a prior marriage before they came out and four used a serrogate and the men used their own sperm so the children are also natural. Science is an amazing thing and your closed minded beliefs are old and outdated. Also there are many children that need a family and adoption is also a loving and wonderful thing. I think you may be a good person but obviously you just don't understand that you should not judge others. It's for God to judge and if he is a loving caring God then homosexuals have nothing to fear. Homosexuality is like Heterosexuality and is not a choice. It appears in nature and it's not evil it's part of natural selection which Darwin proved is how we all evolved. Only hatred (usually fueled by religious morals) think it is bad. Love is Love regardless of the gender and I am 100 percent certain Jesus and God would agree.
Joel Osteen needs to take notes. Somebody send him this video, so he can learn what a christianity is about.
+Claudia Romanov Biblical fact - homosexuality is not wrong. Piper needs to repent for spreading false Gospel
Sarah Flara If you say Piper is not wrong - then you are saying God is wrong.
God never said 1 word about homosexuality why is Piper. God said many kinds of relationships, marriage was ok.
Fact is the Bible does not say or mean homosexuality is a sin - in the original text - why do you and Piper thing otherwise. It is not Christian to go against God. Its time real Christian step up and stop the crap dogma this is not Christ Like.
Sarah Flara If you believe homosexuality is a sin - then yep you are not with Christ; you are not a true Christian. Like Piper you twist and turn God's Word. Just like when you say read Rom. In the original text homosexuality was not a sin - so how it is a sin in your Bible?
Sarah Flara There is no argument - Biblical fact - original text - homosexuality is not a sin.
Yes, God gave you free will, believe as you wish. What I, and many others are doing and will continue to do is untwist what has been twisted.
Know God loves you no matter, same as God loves me.
Bye
***** Homosexuality is not a sin in the original text of the Bible. If you knew the Word of God like you claim - you would know the truth.
Hearing pastor's voice make me believe again that there are still people in this world who will pay the highest price to tell the truth. I thank God for it.
Just like in Elijahs time God is showing us that there’s many still out there who have not bowed their knee to the false gods of this generation
Okay Karen
Lucarara you're welcome, Karen 😆
sad to see a young lady indoctrinated with this kind of hatred. I hope you will spend time to think about the evidence for your specific God and the inexistence of the thousands of others you just happen to not have been born into.
you're gonna have to explain to the big man one day why you had so much hate in your heart during your time here
Amen. My two gay friends invited me to their wedding. I declined because of the reasons JP gave. BTW, I was a lesbian for over 30 years and had two dom. partnerships, but never felt marriage was right. Then I became a Christian and repented and am SAVED. The is what I want for these friends, not their so-caled wedding that insults God.
Amen! God bless you!
SO LOVE IS AN EVIL SIN FOR U NOW UR CHRISTIAN? WOW
Wow!!! Awesomeness
@@Chanel5-q5o homophobia isn't awesome
@pastor brian out here spreading true love and peace in this comments,
YOU ONLY ATTEND A WEDDING IF YOU AGREE WITH AND SUPPORT THE UNION OF THE 2 PEOPLE. As Christians we can not attend a gay marriage. They might be married in man’s eyes but they are not married in God’s eyes. You attend you are sinning.
Wow! God bless this faithful Brother. This man truly has a heart for God in him.
Hey Craig,
Wow. Someone's done some research here. I'll reply to this but I really can't let it turn into a debate.
As for it being my opinion, the Scriptures say what they say. It's pretty clear. Leviticus 18:22, Leviticus 20:13, Judges 19: 22-23, 1 Corinthians 6: 9-10, and there are a couple of others.
The scriptures never use the word "homosexual" in the original languages because the word wasn't used then, just as it wasn't in many of the earlier English translations. But the truth is there. As for them being "unchanged by man," they were translated into English. But that doesn't invalidate the meaning. God intended man to be with woman in marriage and sexual intimacy (which is only within marriage).
I highly recommend reading the scriptures I listed above in many of the translations you listed. Read them in light of both Romans chapter 1 and Jude vs. 7. And also search out the meanings of the words in the Greek and Hebrew, including the moods, tenses, etc.
Honestly, I doubt either of us will be able to change the opinions of the other but as I said in my previous comment, if the scriptures contradict what I've listed or said here, I'm certainly open to seeing them.
And please understand, as I said, it's not about opinions. I follow Jesus Christ as my King. He is the Word of God. And if God says something is against His will, I must line up with it.
Thanks for the comments Craig.
@@SuperFreeamerican And what were marriages, in Deuteronomy 21:13, and Numbers 31:18, intended to be there, and executed how, and how consensually, also?
Expansion potentially desired, here.
Also, what was His will, during the blood libel, Inquisition, and the slave trade, within past Christendom? That was explicit, I mean? Rather than inferred.
Can we go to a wedding where the couple was living together before marriage? Can we go to a wedding where the couple was sleeping together before they got married?
Seems like it is the same issue.
I'd like to hear a response to this
To make it even more general, would Piper say that a Christian should not attend the wedding of a non-believer? How is their union (or perhaps he would say "union") as unrepentant sinners, any different than a gay couple marrying? Equally, would he claim that sitting down to dinner at a gay couple's home is sinful because it "blesses" their sin?
I think his approach to this question leaves a gaping hole regarding how Christians love sinners even in the midst of their sin. Which is, of course, exactly what Christ did for us.
@Ann
As a devout christian, I see no problem with attending a marriage where the couple sinned before their union they will have together with themselves and with the Lord. Sinning or making a mistake does not make their marriage any less valid or beautiful or real in God's eyes.
But when talking about a gay "marriage" the whole thing is an absolute fraud and a rebellion against God's holy created order. God defines marriage because he created it, we have absolutely no right to change it or practice it in any other way then he decreed.
Morlovitch that is exactly how I see it too, but I am open to being corrected.
I agree with you @swtor. Paraphrase the bi le if you are burning you should get married. That means to correct all wrong. So if you are in fornication you get married. Marriage is still to create union, if they marry then it is a repentance because they will have sex the way it was meant.
Yeah - God defines marriage. It does not need to be re-defined.
Please may I share my testimony with you. I always knew that I was gay, and from a very young age I prayed to God asking Him to take these tendencies away.
Many years later on one particularly bad night, I believed I was going to die. In the depth of my despair, I asked Lord Jesus for forgiveness and to my surprise He answered me.
My spirit has burst into such powerful flames of love and mercy that it has seemed as if I was totally dissolved in Him.
By this stage I was already in a loving relationship with my partner, and when I asked Jesus if I should leave my partner.
The Lord told me to regard him as my husband
@@jean-pauldebeer8151 God can not more clearer on teaching of sexual immortality.
@@jasonhockly8655 Unfortunately many do not possess the correct orthodox understanding on scripture and Christians feel that repentance is a once off act.
Repentance is a life long struggle, one that continually demands that we analyse the sinfulness within our selves and seek the mercy of God to overcome these sinful tendencies.
Pointing out the sinfulness in others is a judgmental sinful tendency that needs to be repentances of.
The Pharisees were very happy to point out the sinfulness and shortcomings in others but failed to see their own. Jesus condemned this behavior.
By pointing out the sinfulness in others we become like the Pharisees who were very happy to have St Mary Madelaine stoned. We behave the same way when we throw scripture to others to highlight their sinfulness.
But Jesus said that those are are free from sin may cast the first stone.
I always find it helpful to regard myself as the worst of all sinners. As this puts me in a position of humility and powers where it makes it easier to never judge others.
Mesopotamians defined marriage as they had the first documented marriage thousands of years before Christianity even existed.
@@sjoperdje God is technically before the age of Christianity.
You know what I love about Him speaking, the humility in his voice backed up by scripture is everything!!!
Thank you for using Scripture, truth, and kindness to answer the question.
even though u should go to a friends same sex wedding eh
pastor brian Who even said that? You must have been listening to an entirely different video.
@@drdianneLc on this video.
You seem like a Karen
Kindness? Fuck off
The best answer, concise & hearfelt, based on the truth of the Bible. Thank you for your profound answer Pastor John
God doesn't exist
I wonder why they call not condoning gay marriage a hate crime. If we really hated them, we'd let them keep doing it.
Thats actually so true, unique way to think about it.
@Mason Moore
Hes saying if followers of Christ really truly hated the LGBT community we would not warn them of the coming danger and salvation is only through Christ.
@Mason Moore Can you elaborate?
What a great answer: thorough, Biblical, loving, humble. When I became a new believer in Jesus Christ in the early 1980's, my mother invited me to attend "an exchange of vows"
between two women. Of course, it was not "legal" then, but some homosaxuals were exchanging vows. I gave similar reasoning for not attending, and my mother exploded with
profanity and accusation. I think her reason for inviting me in the first place, was so that she'd have a reason to unload this animosity against Christ, primarily. How sad. But as
a new believer, it was difficult for me to choose loyalty to Christ first, since she was the only (birth) family that I had. There is sufficient reward in Christ for choosing what honors
Him, and of course the whole body of Christ is my spiritual family. But I can certainly empathize with believers who are put into this circumstance, and the family implications that
surround it. Thank God for the clarity of His Word. And thank God for Pastors who are courageous and do not cave in to the world and society.
Thank you for sharing your experience. New-ish to Christ 🙏 and this comment helped me. Gracias
Isn't it awful to have a mother who doesn't share or at least understand your reverence to God's will? The Bible says that He will come between a father and son, a mother and daughter...etc. and that we are to choose God first over everyone, including ourselves and our families. I hope all is well with you since that day 40 years ago. The reward for your faithfulness is waiting for you!
I came across your comment as i was watching the video. Currently my fiance is in a similar situation, his sister is getting "married" she invited us both, in which i say thanks for the invite but i can't attend. But his mother said he needs to go, even though she knows he does not agree with this union to begin with, she "believes in God' but she is not a firm believer. My mother in law is permitting this, and she is okay with it or seems like it, and i think her way of showing love is by going and being present. My fiance's dad is more of a solid believer and sound in scripture but he pretty much does what the wife says or feels obligated to go because is his daughter and also bc my mother in law makes it seem like a "you must go" My mother in law even told my fiance that she wouldn't come to our wedding if he doesn't go to his sisters, that broke my heart tbh. We both know we would not feel comfortable at all attending and pretending to be okay with it and how piper mentioned "lying" about it being okay. I can see he is very hurt by this because is his family and to be put in a situation like this "if you dont go... then i wont.." especially from his mother. I just pray the Lord continue to give him the strength to stay firm and faithful to the Lord and do what honors him.
@@saturn722 However, after 2 Samuel 24, and Hosea 9, why on Earth should I do that?
And how do you view 'marriages' such as in Deuteronomy 21:13, and Numbers 31:18, also?
@@chrissonofpear1384 Why don’t you just ask me your question?
Your probably right, if you can't go to a wedding with love and respect in your understanding for the couple, you shouldn't go. it would be disingenuous and disrespectful to them.
You obviously missed the point.
Who cares about disrespecting “man”. Respect God’s truth
@@thevulture5750 When did he say that? Just curious I genuinely have yet to see where Jesus has said anything like that in the Bible.
Amos 3:3
Can two walk together, except they be agreed?
1 tim 5:22
Lay hands suddenly on no man,
neither be partaker of other men's sins:
keep thyself pure.
First is God and his ways, than anybody else. Even is your close relative.
Mat 10:37 “He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me.
And he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me.
"I am where I have always been" is so incredibly true. Thank you.
Let's alter the question. Would you attend your friend's Muslim/Hindu/Baha'i/Mormon/Zoroastrian/Jehovah's Witness/neo-pagan wedding? Whichever ceremony you attend, it constitutes an endorsement. The question is not so fanciful as you might think, given the diversity in the workplace.
Apples and oranges. It’s not the same thing. For example, a Muslim man and woman joining together in marriage is not a sin, is it? This is the standard. To live for the glory of God in a dark and sinful world is not easy. We want to be at peace with everyone, as much as possible. We want to love everyone. But, more importantly, we want to honor and serve the God who created and saved us from all our sins, and this requires living a holy life which will be in stark contrast to the world. Affirming sin is to deny the God who makes the standard for what is sinful.
Im sincerely curious why or why not JP would attend a non-Christian heterosexual wedding who remove God/Christ/Spirit from their celebration, covenant and marriage?
Because in every wedding there is a ceremony of procreation, but in a gays function, there is no such procreation ceremony and so it cannot be called wedding.
Because of love. People can get bornagain anytime.
www.anewcreationinchrist.nl/english
One of the best responses I have ever heard...
If an all BUT “Baby Christian” couldn’t give this answer they, and/or their pastor are guilty of inadequate or poor Bible study and teaching. Maranatha!
Really? It just seemed nasty and full of hate. Oddly the bible does not mention lesbianism, although obviously this represents the patriarchal time in which it was written.
Actually paster I think if you read the words of Jesus he said in heaven no man or woman will be given unto marriage so maybe you may not know him ..as you think you do we should all be careful to not make god in our own image or understanding ....now I know the typical protestant answer ...but we have the mind of Christ .....so we can say n declare ....jesus wrote on the sand when the prostirute stood accused ...turned to the pharacies n said let the first among you without sin cast first stone ...n then he turned to her n said woman were are your accusers ...? So therefore you have none ..neither do I ....go n sin no more .....sin ? What is sin ? .it's the act of selfishness ..doing something to put yourself n own needs before another ..or God ....when you judge these people paster ...be careful ...you do not know what is within there hearts ..n trust that in many hetrosexual relationships there is the seed of terrible self gratification ...
@@93Current Oh but it does.
"That is why God abandoned them to their shameful desires. Even the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other." - Romans 1:26
Steven Mcleish lol it seems full of hate... sheesh. Someone is overly obsessed with modern living and doesn’t understand the Biblical literature. He said it as politely and calmly as possible, just clarifying that it is a sin based on the information found in the Bible. That, to God, a marriage is between a man and a woman. So while the “marriage” is a cultural, or lawful marriage in the eyes of the culture or government, it is not a Marriage as defined by the Old Testament nor New Testament. In fact, both Testaments define it as sin, so to attend and pretend it isn’t sinful in accordance to the Word of God is just that, it would be pretending.
I have to ask about your ideology. Do you believe that there is a difference between the soul of a women and the soul of a man? If the answer is yes, do you believe that it is possible for a women to be born in the body of a man? Personally I don't think that there is a difference. If the answer is no, why is it wrong if the union is joined in heaven? When you go to heaven will it matter, or do you even believe marriage carries into heaven? Do you believe if a women can not have babies that she can never marry someone? What is your definition of biblically moralized sex? What is the purpose of sex if procreation is no longer possible for an individual? Do you believe that people who are unable to have babies must become eunuchs? Do you believe that divorce is wrong? Do you believe that the reason God created women was solely for sexual enjoyment? What do you believe the Bible is talking about when it says that he made man and women in his image? Did God make man and women physically in his image or spiritually? Why would God create a difference in gender in the first place, considering that some animals reproduce with only one gender and sometimes even asexually? I mean I'm not someone who can easily answer all these questions by myself. I think these questions are very complex and require an understanding that only multiple people can truly answer. I do know that Paul also wrote to look at the principles of the Bible and not get hung up on specific lines. Keep in mind that the word homosexuality wasn't invented until at least a millennium after Paul had written parts of the new testament and even then, what they would have defined that term as would be closer to adultery than monogamy. Unfortunately, we can't go ask Paul what he thinks about modern day homosexuality. We can, however, follow translation throughout the centuries. People used to translate those parts as child molester. It seems to me that further study is needed to verify that this is the case. There are documents from the ancient Roman era that explain how men of status would raise the status of young boys in exchange for sexual favors. Is this the abomination that Paul is referring to? Again, I believe multiple people have to dig into this and come up with more arguments. There's a lot of evidence and some of it makes sense while others don't. It's hard to make an argument because we don't really have a definition for love. Sure, you can find it in a dictionary, but believe me I've tried to define love and it still never quite grasps what the words really means. I supposed it's because you can't tell someone what love is without first feeling it in some way. It's like explaining what the color blue looks like to a blind man. I think we should let people decide for themselves if they truly love someone, and hope to God that they'll listen to God. It is not our place to judge someone based on their beliefs. If it is a family member and it means a lot to them, I think you should go. It's not to approve of the couple being together, it's to be there for someone because it matters to them that you're there. Ultimately, you have to be the bigger man and do what's right even if you disapprove of what someone else is doing.
I truly don't understand how so many dismiss the Bible and boldly live in sin anymore. There use to b shame over sin and people hid but now.....Lord help us
I think Alistair Begg should listen in.
This question does not need to be asked by anyone who is a Christian. The answer is so obvious.
While it should be obvious, so many have been deluded & are afraid of “offending” anyone. There are so many who fall for the lies of the devil & bow to the desires of man.
I think they ask the question so that non believers can understand why we think the way we think.
@@drdianneLc yes i agree.
@@truth-Hurts375 true and good point.
One of the pastors at our church said she went to one to let the people know she loved them, right where they were. I had a hard time understanding her because just showing up is affirmation.
This reply is most apt and based on the Word of God.
Thank you, I'm certainly going to use this reply to teach this fundamental truth about marriage to the unlearned.
A wedding is a celebration. Attending a gay wedding is celebrating something my Lord is against.
Finally someone on this Internet to believe and be PROUD OF! THANK YOU ..
hate and homophobia doesn't make me feel pride
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣.
Yes!!! Finally someone not afraid to tell the absolute truth! I have honestly never heard many pastors speak about this topic so honest and raw...so there is NO confusion about what he believes. I honestly think some of these high profile pastors should take notes. Imagine the deliverance and salvation as a result.
@@Natasha-kg1zw assume lies are truth then for u?
@@pastorbri Not sure what you mean here but I see you are all over the comments with this homophobic rhetoric. Either way, I still stand by what I said. Praise God for the undiluted word of God!!! Hallelujah!! I guess the truth makes people feel uncomfortable. 🤷♀️🤷♀️🤷♀️
I would most certainly go to a gay wedding. The food is good and your drink is always full and the girls are spectacular.
You weren't asked.
@@tofunwatoyinbo Yes I was, the question is the title.
Kenny Johnson lol true
I was at work and a work,m
ate asked me to sign a card for one of the others lesbian wedding. I politely refused because by signing the card I felt I would be technically speaking a blessing over it. It wasn’t easy to do and I felt the social pressure but I’m glad I made a simple low key stand.
Romans 1:31 addresses this head on: "they not only do them but give approval to those who practice them". Attending would be giving approval, something we are commanded not to do.
I just want to say that I love my two lesbian sisters and I have zero respect for anybody who would discriminate against them even if they use religion as an excuse. I'm aware that many people will hate this comment and those people are not going to change my mind.
glad to see someone with compassion in this comment section :)
@@MV-wn6kc :)
thank you!!!! finally a reasonable person
Oh good some common sense.
Gays celebrating a wedding is like a pair of communists coming to america to celebrate marx's manifest. The point of this message is why would you do that? I dont think anybody talked about discrimination
I’m gay and I honestly have no idea what to do. I’m aggravated and frustrated
Same
What would you even do?
You'll love who you love when you love them, there's not much else you can do.
Just go. You will 100% regret not going,
A very well thought out response actually.
Why do people have same sex feelings . That is what I don't understand.
Watch Jackie hill Perrys videos on sexual identity
It comes from Satan. Point blank. Very awesome question, though.
Nurture. Most come from broken homes is my understanding but lust of the flesh is the same sin no matter which way
Walt Lonsdale I don’t come from a broken home and I’m gay lol
Holy Experience no it doesn’t I didn’t just wake up one day and say I wanna be gay. I’ve always felt this way. And from what I can understand under the eyes of the law it’s legal so Imma live my life as a homosexual. Period.
Pastor John is speaking truth!
Sorry, he is not speaking Biblical fact.
Yes, he is and you know it
N.... No
@@erinisatree9970 y...yes and if you read the bible you would know it to.
its rare for homophobics to speak truth
I totally agree with Pastor John and I thank him for listings the reasons. I have to say the thought of it made made me feel sick. Keep up the good work Pastor John.
You will hated by everyone because of me, but the who stands firm to the end will be saved. Matthew 10: 22 🙏
Absolutely not. Attending such an event would very disrespectful to God.
I’d rather care about the respect you give to existing people such as your friends or family than a man in the clouds.
@@sjoperdje I believe God exists. And I'll respect the creator over the creation any day 💯
no actually, being happy for someone is not a sin, and nor is homosexuality you undercooked hotdog.
@@arbana.boowomp Sodom and Gomorrah says otherwise. Would that make them overcooked hotdogs?
@@speedythirteen6627 😁
mans knowledge < Gods knowledge
I doubt it is healthy to automatically assume that someone is more important than you
@Mason Moore yeah but if you are wrong about this whole god thing, then you are wrong for eternity. If the believers were wrong, well, then it would have only mattered to them for the life they lived, for how many years, but it wouldn't have mattered anyway because their existence doesn't exist anymore.
mans love > god's love apparently if people are able to accept homosexual love but god isn't
@@jmalta2 Where do you think, we have a sense to love? Where do you think it comes from lol
Given that there is no god, this comparison is false.
That’s my dads name!
His name was Pastor John too. I miss him terribly.
He would have also answered the question the same way.
Awwww, so sorry ☹☹
Sounds like your dad was the man. I believe you’ll see him again.
The Answer is Absolutely NOT without Hesitation!!!!!
you have an issue with love?
pastor brian We have an issue with going against God!
@@Pbs-xs4xk then repent of ur homophobic lifestyle, as its against Gods word. SIMPLE.
Absolutely yes. Without hesitation. Think about the change you have among all those people at the wedding sharing the truth about a transformed divine life. Epic!
www.anewcreationinchrist.nl/english
@@ToninoterRessort well said, christians should support love.
Just contemplating the idea that so-called pastor John is a decent human being, but is really quite hateful in his sense of certainty in his ability to interpret a book, is heart-breaking. This lifestyle of deciding that a book, written by men, interpreting what other men said, is quite destructive, defiling the beauty of human beings. There is such a weight of sorrow that someone like this human being does so much to hurt people who listen to him.
Of course I would, why the hell wouldn't I?
This man is the real deal.. A true man of God! I have nothing but respect for him!
i remember seeing this video when i was young and struggling with my sexuality. i knew i was not a christian, but could not for the life of me figure out how my mother, a very devout christian, would respond to my coming out. and this video shattered me. i knew that john piper was one of the pastors that my mother truly loved, and i could only assume that my mother would take on this same cold, distanced attitude towards me as a lesbian that john piper models in this video. i am not overexaggerating here - it was something that played in my mind for years as i internally weighed how she might react. i was terrified that this would be her attitude.
i am grateful that this ended up not being her attitude. i am grateful that i was able to come out to her because she sat down and told me, verbatim, that she would be happy to attend a future same-sex wedding i may have. it shocked me, and it made me so joyful. for years this video deluded me into thinking my mother could be so cold and callous as to see me or the relationships i may one day be a part of as broken, flawed, sinful, and ultimately something she would not condone. that was not the case. this woman found a way to both love and obey her god and love me as a lesbian. i hope that many of the christians who view this video go on to do the same. and i hope that john piper understands the fear this kind of talk can strike in the hearts of young gay people who are uncertain of how their christian family members will react. i am not bitter or resentful, and i harbor no ill will towards christians or christianity as a whole. i only wish that christians may understand the gravity of their words which may seem like another trivial opinion.
Your mom is awesome! She put her love for you above who you choose to be. Her's is a reflection of the Father, you know that. Father God doesn't look negatively on you. Rather He still waits for you to return.
You know the story of how Jesus dined with the drunks, prostitutes, tax collectors, etc. Makes you wonder why.
Just like I couldn’t attend a loveless wedding I don’t want to attend any manmade substitute for a God-blessed union.
Very will said sir, God bless you for taking a stand for truth
So much truth and so much grace! The glory of God on display.
This is why i love john Piper!
Truth, truth? From who’s perspective.
@@davidmeyers8230 the Bible
Thank you Ps , Keep preaching the truth !!!
Ps is not preaching the truth, he is preaching his truth, not God's truth. No where in the Bible does it say - two of the same sex in a loving and committed relationship are sinning. Homosexuality is not a sin, love is love, and God is love
@@craigd9896 Exactly!
YEAH! Tell him to preach shit!
The truth hurts them
@@bil.johnson_ Truth may hurt, but if you are talking about homosexuality its not a sin, and therefore, not hurtful in the least.
Be who God created you to be, not what someone whats you to be.
My best guess is he will never have to face this dilemma.
Who the heck is going to invite THIS guy to their gay wedding.
The question posed is like asking a member of the kkk if they would attend their daughter’s interracial wedding.
NO!! NEVER AND NO!! NOT IN THIS LIFE OR THE NEXT.
No as in what? What are you saying no to? The video?
@@JesusisLOVEJohn- I would never attend a gay wedding. no. never and no!
@@justtony21 Oh, yeah agreed. I just didn't know what you were saying "no" to.
@@JesusisLOVEJohn- its all good!!!
It is sad that we've got to point that America is so unrepentant that people are prideful about it.
Thank you for being bold to express God's heart
You are a brave, brave, brave and loving man John Piper! Bless you.
+Lorna Seneiya Sempele And Piper needs to repent for spreading false Gospel. Fact - homosexuality is not a sin in the original text of the Bible.
+Craig D IT IS A SIN WHETHER YOU LKE IT OR NOT!
VICKY SAKELLARIOU Homosexuality is not a sin in the original text of the Bible,
There is nothing brave and nothing loving about associating loving relationships between two people and ceremonies to represent that love with theft and greed. I have dear dear friends who are gay and who are married. One of them does absolutely brilliant and tireless and gruelling work for a charity that is just down the road from me. He loves his partner very very dearly and many other people have benefitted from the warmth and from the strength of their relationship. They love each other and are devoted to each other and as yet no major disaster has happened because they have sex together and are married to each other. But as soon as they cause an earthquake or one of them goes onto the local university campus and starts shooting people I will let you know. After all these events are just as hideous as the marriage this sinful hell bound pair have initiated themselves in. The charity in question saves lives by offering a loving and listening service for people who are so broken and mentally ill or have so many problems they have run from their own homes. Perhaps pastor John would like to meet some of the people that my friend has helped away from suicide and into safety before he tells him his relationship is an abomination and his marriage no better than a celebration of lust or greed. We can give him a tour of the place and he can meet the other gay people who tirelessly work there too.
This pastor has every right to believe as he does. My question to the reader of this comment is this: What is more important to you, the purity of your witness (which makes it all about you), or the redemption of the two souls you believe are in deadly peril. If I were your brother, or your son, or your father, and you distance yourself from me, and refused to welcome my beloved into the family, and dare to presume that you are closer to God and more righteous than the two of us, then all you would accomplish is to convince me that you are mistaken and that God is to be found elsewhere. However, if you tell the truth once about your convictions, then proceed to show us all the love and welcome that you would to any other members of the family, I might begin to suspect that the Spirit of God is actually speaking through you after all. I speak from personal experience.
God bless you, Pastor John. Thanks for being a rock solid man of God and speaking thr truth.
It’s not exactly the same as celebrating theft or adultery. Sexual orientation isn’t a choice.
Elijah sexual orientation is a choice ? I don’t remember the day I decided to be straight.
Thank you for speaking truth in a loving way. For being bold and forthright.
homophobis is not truth
Just because you do not join in to other peoples activities does not make you prejudice . Its called keeping yourself unspotted from the world.
Is it different from attending a wedding between two non-Christians? Are they joined by God even if they were living in sexual immorality?
Thank you Piper for passionately answering this question
but we should support love
pastor brian what do you mean by love?
@@williamkilgore6899 try 1 cor 13;4-7!
pastor brian if you’re saying we should support gay marriage I would ask where? It says it finds no joy in unrighteousness but rejoices in truth. And chapter 6 speaks of this
@@williamkilgore6899 should we support people who are left handed? If so Id ask where?
Don't laugh as religious folk also condemned the left handed too.....so we should condemn homophobia yes.
Absolutely not! And though you love your children, we love God more. And must adhere to what his word says, period..
And love speaks the truth? 🎚♥️⚓️
well done mr. piper. i thought this guy would go soft on this but he nailed it.
no one has nor ever will attend a gay marriage as they simply don't exist.
Yep Piper the bigot lies really well.
gay marriages do exist
Amen. he means they do not exist because it is not considered a marriage, but a funeral. Very well said. It it a shame that in todays "Christianity" this is still a question asked.
atheistsrnumber1 Interesting I am married - Iowa - married in a Christian Church before God.
A trio of Iowa-based religious scholars penned an op-ed, reminding readers that despite popular opinion, the Bible does not simply define marriage as between one man and one woman.
The argument against same-sex marriage is wholly unsustainable debate about marriage equality often centers, however discretely, on an appeal to the Bible. Unfortunately, such appeals often reflect a lack of biblical literacy on the part of those who use that complex collection of texts as an authority to enact modern social policy.
The Bible's definition of marriage can be confusing and contradictory. A primary example of this is the religious book's stance on polygamy, a practice that was embraced by prominent biblical figures Abraham and David. Various Bible passages mention not only traditional monogamy, but also self-induced castration and celibacy, as well as the practice of wedding rape victims to their rapists.
There are some people he may never be able to convince.
Many politicians have made a career out of using the Bible to justify opposition to hot-button topics like same sex marriage.
Those that use the Bible aren't necessarily interested in the truth or the complexity of the Bible. They are looking for one ancient sound bite to convince people what they already believe. Anyone who argues that "the Bible speaks plainly on one issue, especially something as complicated as marriage ... haven't take the time to read all of it.
kate shk A trio of Iowa-based religious scholars penned an op-ed, reminding readers that despite popular opinion, the Bible does not simply define marriage as between one man and one woman.
The argument against same-sex marriage is wholly unsustainable debate about marriage equality often centers, however discretely, on an appeal to the Bible. Unfortunately, such appeals often reflect a lack of biblical literacy on the part of those who use that complex collection of texts as an authority to enact modern social policy.
The Bible's definition of marriage can be confusing and contradictory. A primary example of this is the religious book's stance on polygamy, a practice that was embraced by prominent biblical figures Abraham and David. Various Bible passages mention not only traditional monogamy, but also self-induced castration and celibacy, as well as the practice of wedding rape victims to their rapists.
There are some people he may never be able to convince.
Many politicians have made a career out of using the Bible to justify opposition to hot-button topics like same sex marriage.
Those that use the Bible aren't necessarily interested in the truth or the complexity of the Bible. They are looking for one ancient sound bite to convince people what they already believe. Anyone who argues that "the Bible speaks plainly on one issue, especially something as complicated as marriage ... haven't take the time to read all of it.
0:45 really pastor? so 2 atheists who go to a justice of the peace and get married is not a real marriage?
I wouldn't go attend or even support it.
I agree with you pastor John. God bless
God invented marriage, hes the one that says it must be between one man and one woman.
@just repelsteeltje God made the world, he was here before the world existed, so what you just said is impossible.
@just repelsteeltje What about Adam and Eve?
@just repelsteeltje My point was God made them, one man one woman. He was here way before the Greeks, the Romans, etc. He invented this thing we call marriage.
What makes you so certain that its just a false story? 😊
@just repelsteeltje God (Jesus) existed before the existence of the universe. Its the law, the commandment, his idea. He is King. He says whats, what. Followers of Jesus get it from him.
Yeah, I think marriage is a privilege, is their a problem with that?
You said all these things (geology, archeology, etc) disprove the Bible but you didnt give many any examples whatsoever.😊
@just repelsteeltje I never said that.
Would you attend a straight wedding where shellfish was served - wearing mixed fabrics?
question of the day that selena, I am guessing you wont get many answers!
Donniebrasco Thanks for that, Donnie - not many takers so far lol
Absolutely, as we are living under the new covenant and not the old. Anyone with an ounce of biblical understanding knows that Christians are not yoked to mosaic law. However, even under the new covenant, the Bible is clear on sexual immorality.
@@Vwilks23 So in the old covenant your god is ok with slavery and making you marry your rapist and having multiple wives but you're ok with him because he sacrificed himself to himself and now your'e forgiven? Why should we care what the new covenent says - it gave you eternal damnation. Did your God make a mistake in the Old Testament or is it a different God you now worship?
Donniebrasco he wasn’t okay those things. Those things happened because people have always been pretty terrible and he told them how to deal with it. Slavery in the Old Testament looked nothing like the slavery that happened in America. People would sell themselves into slavery bc they were poor and there were rules on how to treat them, when to set them free, and they were given money when they left. They didn’t leave empty handed. If a woman was raped back then, her chances of marriage were ruined, and she would probably die alone. The man being forced to marry her was a way to ensure she wouldn’t end up starving to death. It’s amazing that people can honestly believe they’re more righteous than God. If you want to understand it, study it. God was never “okay” with evil. People have just always sucked and he loved them anyway.
Spoken with so much love and grace. This is the truth! Thank you Pastor John for being God’s beacon in this dark world.
Please counsel Begg.
I wouldn't attend a gay wedding for 50 billion dollars.
Haha! That’s just you lying to yourself
I’m as straight as can be, but I’d BE in a gay wedding for 50 billion dollars!!
@@MCMasterChef What does it profit a man to gain 50 billion dollars only to suffer the loss of his soul?
George Penton Imagine the good I could do in the world if I had that amount wealth to actually make a change. Provide life saving medicine to those who need it. Send youths to college to get an education and better themselves. Feed and re-house the homeless. Provide underprivileged children with access to technology that helps them learn. That’s what it would profit.
@@MCMasterChef That's a worldly and materialistic way of seeing things. Nothing is worth losing your soul over.
where do people get these ideas from? where and when did Jesus say anything about homosexuality?
Love and approval are not the same
If you have a gay family member or friend never stop loving them
One day they will need this love when they turn their lives to God ❤️🙏
Its hard for them to understand that unfortunately. Love is no approving of someones self destruction but they see it as us destroying them by not going along with it. The normalization of this prevents people from taking a proper stance.
@@enriqued8220 The truth that God sent His sinless Son into a sinful world you would think that we be enough to convince people that with drawing our (God's people) presence from those who are still dead in their as we once where would be enough to show that God's mercy triumphs over judgment and that if we truly hope for the absence of evil in a person's life them we as God's people must bring the Presence of God into their lives
Yes God's love and Him Presence is certainly not approval for our sins
Where would be now if God had abandoned us when we were once lost in our sins
My brother died 12 years ago he was gay but because of God's love shown through God's people and their prayer's of faith hope and love for him he repented and turned back to Jesus Christ before he died
If we totally reject the sinner who will they turn to when they begin to reach out to God 🙏❤️
The prodigal son left the father the father never left the prodigal son
I will never leave you or forsake you is God's promise to us
If only we could be more like God
Jesus Christ is Alive 🙏❤️
@@satellitesurfrockanthonyak5738 God hates the sinner not the sin. This isn't personal I try to tell people but people are so attached to their sin that it becomes personal to them unfortunately. We need to teach grace before judgment but if we reject grace judgement does come eventually and im happy your brother was able to repent from his lifestyle. Sin at the end of the day is just selfishness. People have becomes lovers of pleasure more than lovers of God. Theres a fine line between being graceful with people and being cowardly. If there's a hole in front of your brother or sister it is your duty to tell them about that hole in front of them and not let them think that you agree with the lifestyle. The reality is some people just haven't had their ideas challenged and we shouldn't sacrifice telling the truth in order to appease a lifestyle we know is wrong for fear of offending someone. The worlds normalization of this lifestyle has really blurred peoples lines of whats acceptable and not when just a couple decades ago the answer was clear but now people are too politicaly correct to rebuke the LGBT religion. They've moved the overten window and im not moving with it.This is bigger than all of us and the sooner people realize that the better. Grace is important but just as important is the fear of God and thats the key element thats missing from people that live this lifestyle. We don't want people to deal with God's wrath because it is the worst thing that can be upon you. We want them to remember to appreciate God's grace and let those things go so they don't have to deal with that wrath that's coming. People are too shortsighted to see this thats why its our job to remind them because if you don't then you have blood on your hands but only God can change someone's heart. Its our job to remind people of God's grace but also his judgement. And if you understand God's judgement then it leads you right into his grace. Scares you straight so to speak no pun intended lol thankfully God's grace is amazing and people still have time to repent and im thankful for that and thankful your brother had one last shot before it was time to leave from here. Long story short you either get convicted of your sin in this world and repent from it or you'll face God with it when you leave and we all know thats a recipe for disaster. This is why Jesus said to forgive them for they do not know what they do. Because if they did know then they wouldn't be doing what their doing but let's hope and pray more people see the error in their ways so they may too be apart of eternity with God and not sacrifice is for temporary wicked pleasure.
For judgment without mercy will be shown to anyone who has not been merciful. Mercy triumphs over judgment
James 2:13
Take notice, therefore, of the kindness and severity of God: severity to those who fell, but kindness to you, if you continue in His kindness. Otherwise you also will be cut off
Romans 11:22
Whether saint or sinner we all desperately need God
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@@satellitesurfrockanthonyak5738 thank you for those verses they were edifying to me. This verse from Matthew chapter 10 really spoke to me id like to share it with you. Its something I truly feel at this time and its the words of the Lord Jesus Christ who is God.Amen.
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10 And when he had called unto him his twelve disciples, he gave them power against unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all manner of sickness and all manner of disease.
2 Now the names of the twelve apostles are these; The first, Simon, who is called Peter, and Andrew his brother; James the son of Zebedee, and John his brother;
3 Philip, and Bartholomew; Thomas, and Matthew the publican; James the son of Alphaeus, and Lebbaeus, whose surname was Thaddaeus;
4 Simon the Canaanite, and Judas Iscariot, who also betrayed him.
5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:
6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
7 And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.
8 Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.
9 Provide neither gold, nor silver, nor brass in your purses,
10 Nor scrip for your journey, neither two coats, neither shoes, nor yet staves: for the workman is worthy of his meat.
11 And into whatsoever city or town ye shall enter, enquire who in it is worthy; and there abide till ye go thence.
12 And when ye come into an house, salute it.
13 And if the house be worthy, let your peace come upon it: but if it be not worthy, let your peace return to you.
14 And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.
15 Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.
16 Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.
17 But beware of men: for they will deliver you up to the councils, and they will scourge you in their synagogues;
18 And ye shall be brought before governors and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them and the Gentiles.
19 But when they deliver you up, take no thought how or what ye shall speak: for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak.
20 For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.
21 And the brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death.
22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.
23 But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come.
24 The disciple is not above his master, nor the servant above his lord.
25 It is enough for the disciple that he be as his master, and the servant as his lord. If they have called the master of the house Beelzebub, how much more shall they call them of his household?
26 Fear them not therefore: for there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; and hid, that shall not be known.
27 What I tell you in darkness, that speak ye in light: and what ye hear in the ear, that preach ye upon the housetops.
28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
29 Are not two sparrows sold for a farthing? and one of them shall not fall on the ground without your Father.
30 But the very hairs of your head are all numbered.
31 Fear ye not therefore, ye are of more value than many sparrows.
32 Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven.
33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.
34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.
36 And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.
37 He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.
38 And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.
39 He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life for my sake shall find it.
40 He that receiveth you receiveth me, and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.
41 He that receiveth a prophet in the name of a prophet shall receive a prophet's reward; and he that receiveth a righteous man in the name of a righteous man shall receive a righteous man's reward.
42 And whosoever shall give to drink unto one of these little ones a cup of cold water only in the name of a disciple, verily I say unto you, he shall in no wise lose his reward.
God bless you and thank you for the verses. Mercy truly great thanks to God. It is one of many and maybe the most important gift of them all. With that being said may God have mercy on all of us. And we may he wise enough to ask for it.
NO!! ABSOLUTELY NOT...THE LORD GOD WOULD NOT LET ME PARTAKE IN THAT.
I bet he couldn't stop you if you really wanted to
@@colinmatts I bet HE could and HE could also stop you or anyone else at any time HE Wanted to. HALLELUJAH!! PRAISE THE LORD GOD of ABRAHAM, ISAAC, AND JACOB FOREVER MORE!!!!
@@Gena777-r95 Well thousands of people attend gay weddings all over the world every year and he hasn't stopped one of them yet
@@colinmatts your right God gives free will to humans if you want to choose hell he will hand you over to it!
colinmatts yeah that’s because they want to. Why would God stop people from going to a wedding that they want to go to. If someone really doesn’t want to go to a gay wedding I feel like God would provide them a way to not go.
It's no different from attending an unequally yoked marriage or a remarriage when the ex still lives
So much truth and wisdom filled in John Piper’s response. We love, in Truth! God bless you 💓
Nope. Coming to such an event would mean that I was in agreement with it (Amos 3:3), and I'm not. I won't judge because Christ didn't come to judge but to save. I'd love them in Christ and try to lead them to the truth.
Amazing...he hit the nail by the head......beautiful
but we should go to a friends wedding
Fair Point
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The usual unoriginal thoughts of those inured in Bronze Age fairy tales. Not one iota of tangible evidence to support their flatulent musings.
Why would any Christian go to a gay wedding?
Reasons please....
Because the gay person is a person and if they are marrying they are christian and God is love not preference and 1 of the commandments actually says you should treat your neighbor as you would wish for yourself to be treated. That's that.
That's a perverted interpretation. The Bible warns us of you false idol dummies. The only reason a Christian would go is to protest and try to save them from [Hell. It's that simple.
Who said Christianity promoted pride? That's a s deadly sin as well. We don't think we are better than you. We're just trying to morally guide you away from suffering.
@@Woodfekker nice answer i completly agree with you most people should be oppen minded like you i belive god love us all no matter who we are
@Pax are you gonna go to a prison party where they are celebrating that they murdered someone? It's u conditional love no? You're just there with them. In their sin. Celebrating their sin and completely condoning it. Nothing wrong with that right? (sarcasm)
Jesus said that marriage is between 1 man and 1 woman.
Humans change, but Jesus does not.@Quint-ib4nf
He isn't bigoted, but having homosexual relations is doing things God did not make the body for, and that's a sin.@Quint-ib4nf
No, he said that men and women get married. that's not the same thing.
Ready to forgive anything..... wow.... that last line gave me goosebumps...
+Coby Vance he is not bronze age, you're the bullshit
Wow! It will be hard to beat Pastor John's perfect answer. The best answer ever on this with convincing reasons!
God bless John Piper for his wisdom!
Yup
Amen!
@@asterkuriko585 well said.
@@asterkuriko585 disagreeing with a lifestyle isn't being rude. Abusing people for their lifestyle is.
@@vchow6749 no you're right it's not rude, it's wrong. which is my point. and yes harming and killing people for their lifestyle is also wrong so stop disagreeing and try to do something about it.
Thank you, Dr. Piper, for this concise and loving response.