Buyer Beware: Chuangzheng-Model Copper Metal Tracks (eBay Surprise) - CZ35001 KV/IS Track
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- Опубліковано 18 вер 2024
- I ordered R-Model Metal Tracks on eBay. I got these instead. I still want R-Model tracks.
Also, Chuangzheng-Model has zero online presence at the time of me filming this video. I presume this is their first release, being kit number CZ35001 (1/35 scale, 1st product). That, or this is some very elaborate scam.
Well, since they are here, I decided I would review these very odd copper-plated metal tracks...before I ship them back for replacements. R-Model, please.
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Update: Seller offered me a ...13% refund? Apparently "only the box was different, the tracks are the same". The fuck?
Well eBay gave me a full refund since the seller took too long. This means I get to keep the tracks too, so maybe I'll find use in the pins down the line.
Seller was "peaceful2018".
I bought from them before in late 2019 and my kit still haven't arrived got full refund from ebay last week when I remembered that I even ordered the kit.
i dont see what's the problem plus copper plating makes more realistic used tracks effect with blackening solution now i will actually buy those for my self
@@Deathbyreality1 i've never had any problems buying from China ... many reliable sellers like dawngrocerystore
Like you said, I too have had several successful purchases from Peaceful so that is surprising(and sad) to hear. At least eBay did the right thing and im not 100% but I believe Yanworld and Honey, both with numbers after them I just don't recall, are the same sellers as Peaceful. All of which I have had all successful sales and never a problem. Ive actually NEVER had an issue with Asian Sellers and save a TON of money. Some of my model friends seem to like to pay almost double to NOT have to wait 10 to 15 days for delivery.
But just keep an eye out as even great sellers are people that are only human and can all of a sudden act in INhuman ways haha. Keep up the vids brother!!
Usually with the Chinese, the more professional the presentation, the more shoddy the workmanship. And I guarantee that the pin mark is because they copied someone else's plastic track link.
Trumpeter KVs have the pin mark exactly there.
@@krautreport202 Trumpeter KV-1 tracks were what I had in mind too
@@Panzermeister36but they are much more detailed
@@___j____6643 you loose a lot of detail in re-casting
Only had to fill the damn thing!
Daym, you should've titled this video I BOUGHT CURSED METAL TRACKS FROM THE DEEP WEB (SPOOKY)
😱😱😱 (not clickbait) 2020
Chinese garage company...nuff said.
Yeah, we will see what happens now. I submitted a return form to ebay.
I’m guessing they’re diecast or pressure sintered zinc (or the cheap zinc alloy sometimes called “pot metal”). Either process can leave pin marks. They’re probably light weight and hard because there’s no lead in them and probably no or very little tin either. The pins look like standard industrial engineering split pins that haven’t had the final production stage where one end is enlarged to prevent it passing through the hole the pin is supposed to fit and one leg is often cut off short to make it easier to fold the legs around whatever cylindrical fitting or drilled nut and bolt the pin is pushed through.
The copper’s probably electroplated on to make them look shiny. Shiny = “quality” = better sales in some parts of the world.
To be fair, from what this video shows, they’ve not done a bad job regarding consistency and lack of flash etc. but what they are not is what was actually ordered. Think I’ll be sticking to Friul though, that way I can be sure of what I’m getting.
Such a weird thing to happen, and copper...wtf. hopefully you get this sorted and quicker than it took to get those in the first place.
Well my KV project is not urgent so I can afford to wait a little while before I get the proper tracks. Can't wait to see what the seller says after he gets the photos I sent of what I received instead of the R-Model tracks.
Metallic casted products like the these tracks, despite the fact that they are metallic, they are produced through molds like the plastic ones and the pin mark is from an injection pin that is used to inject the part out of the mold’s cavity. The material is melted aluminum (zamak) and they are not copper coated. It´s just chemical colorization that is used in a post production process to harden the material. The color could be any metallic color. They just chose the copper look. I hope I helped with my expertise.
Thank you!
Good job.
It really grinds my gears when a seller does that. 10 out of 10 on the annoying AF scale.
If you send these back be sure to get tracking and post the link. Boom boom!
They appear to be diecast zinc, than would also account for the pin marks.
Yep, they look diecast to me. IIRC there was a company that produced diecast track links a couple of years ago.
Good heads up for your viewers. Three deal killers here. 1) The ejector pin marks. Most plastic tracks, these days; don't have them. 2) The heavy copper plating. That's part of the entire reason for metal tracks. The buffed shiny surface after blackening. This is the real killer here. 3) Return shipping and down time hassle. I'm passing on these, for the time being. Three strikes before they ever get to the plate.
Thank you for the comment Stephen. I agree entirely.
The weight difference is probably because it's aluminium.
The copper coating is to make you not question why they are so light. It would also look far more shiny than white metal.
Isn't aluminum also expensive? The weight difference is due to the copper coating; copper is much lighter than white metal.
@@Panzermeister36 Are they magnetic? Sure way to see if it is aluminum as it wont stick to a magnet. They could be Magnesium. It's used alot in auto industry for casting parts. Just a thought.
I'll check if it's magnetic and get back to you.
@@Panzermeister36 Right on!!
Its simple the took the tracks from an old plastic model kit , thats why they have pin marks!
And the mold line around. You can see it on the sides of the tracks.
Yes I agree.
! hopefully you will get this sorted out as soon as possible! good luck 👍 😊
Thank you!
Thank you for highlighting this, I've looked at metal tracks from China before coming to the conclusion rightly or wrongly they are a knock off of Friuls. Rather like a certain Russian Figure companys products that appear on a certain Chinese site at half the price of the former . I'd rather pay the full price from a reputable seller here in the UK or Europe. Buyer Beware indeed .
*Good luck for the return of this set, once i bought a figure in a Chinese online shop with some broken parts, they answered me in ... mandarin! So i stopped dealing with them. Other comments indicated a plastic or a less quality metal copy, that's nearly the truth. Thank you for warning the others modelers. 👍*
You can just use Google translate.
After one of your earlier R Model reviews I bought a set of their KT tracks c/w brass turned pins, at a very cheap price ~£23. The other RModel tracks from the same supplier were all more expensive so it’s almost as if they were a loss leader of some sort. They came in a slightly rounded clear plastic box (not printed cardboard) very similar to what you have there and with a very similar printed paper graphic insert. But they are branded R Model. They are plain white metal and they also have pin marks (2). I wasn’t too bothered as these were my first set of metal tracks so I just gave them a bit of filing down. I also got a pair of white metal KT sprockets in the box! So in some respects similar to your experience.
From what I learned about ur and some people's experiences buying stuff online from chinese suppliers on ebay, I think their marketing is kinda inconsistent. At times they'd include bonus on your purchases, other times they'd send you something completely different from what u paid for.
Pin marks are probably copied as you mentioned. They saw the marks on what they copied and thought they were part of the real track so they included them. That means they did zero research, they just copied them.
Those tracks are spooky.
I'd wear gloves if you're going to touch them.
I did wash my hands after this yeah. I don't want the 'rona or anything else...
Yea, could've been covered in covid
Interesting. I just checked EBay and they are now selling the R-Model CZ35001 and show copper plated tracks around a drive sprocket so you can't see the pin marks. They are also being sold by 3 different seller with various numbers of comments.
Pinmarks on them mean they have badly fitted push pin on mould. Metal tracks usually dont have pinmarks cause metal is harder than plastic, so if they are fitted properly during casting process they leave no marks while form is opened and parts pushed out.
All "cold bluing" solutions are basically covering your parts in copper and darkening it, so OFC it will work on pure copper. :)
Injection molding is not a plastic only procedure. Metals can injection molded too.
thanks for pointing it out as my experience with ebay is not good but what I wanted to say is that in the most recent years while doing home wiring I found that a bix if electric wire 12/3 garage wire it had come from China it was copper coated with inner steal core and after using I ripped out a few runs and bought pure copper wire so buyer beware look at ends for pure wire!
Panzermeister the original was a plastic injection moulded part, they have almost certainly taken a moulding from that original track and created the metal versions from it.
A mould ejector pin on a metal mould you dont have it, you dont need it and even if you did you wouldnt mark the part with it.
Its a metal copy of a plastic original
What price of Friul do you have? :O
R-models from ebay have same price like Friuils in Polish shop 🤔
$70 CAD for Friuls here. Shipping costs a lot.
yes exactly, I see these chinese copy tracks going for 30-35 euros, I would rather give the money to a european company
Good luck ever getting your money back... the only time I ever ordered directly from China, I paid $60 for a pair of boots and received a *comb* valued at $1 on the label... vendor went silent, and PayPal denied my claim because "the package was delivered" (evidently, whatever is in the package was irrelevant to the dispute team). I eventually had to file a complaint with my credit card company, and received a refund. Morale of the story: don't EVER by ANYTHING directly from China...
My experience with PayPal as well. Just another scam organization.
PayPal & eBay have the same ownership, so it's not surprising that one will back up the other. I got royally screwed-over by eBay when a guitar amplifier didn't arrive & they refused my claim, so I only deal with eBay if the product cannot be purchased anywhere else.
eBay spun off PayPal in 2015... refunds are not so easy to get from China... but, it is still possible with the proper documentation.
Those mastercraft pliers at the start!!! Love it
I don't order from China anymore because Ive been burned twice. Once on a kit, the second on Detail sets. Then when you try to contact some sellers, they either act like they can't speak or write any English or they just don't answer at all, which forced my hand to get eBay involved. Good luck.
I really think that we should be avoiding buying Chinese products where possible, particularly given the covid they gifted to the world.
Fruil tracks are a good product, made with European quality. I’ll be sticking with them.
@OriginalYithian there may be very early examples of those items found in China, but I disagree that thry "gifted thrm upon the world" lmfao. Fuck china
The Chuangzheng model tracks came from Hong Kong, as shown on the shipping label. Treating HK poorly because of Covid would be like avoiding South Korean products because the other Korea is a terrible country...it's unfair and it's assigning blame incorrectly.
@OriginalYithian Idiot
OriginalYithian and I say again, “wherever possible”. (Who on earth drinks Chinese alcohol?!)
If you have a soldering iron you could try filling the ejector pin marks with solder & filing the excess off. If it is indeed copper it should take solder. The only issue you might have is if your tip holds enough heat to heat the track enough. Try it on the *cough* *cough* one that arrived broken.
Probably garage aluminium casting ,electroplated in a washing up bowl.Easier than hard white metal.Pezaz in the packaging.After 3 dml PzKw IV 'superkits i built Ryefields new mk IV,its much better and cheaper,only toolclamp's and metal muzzle brake could be added.So many factory options you can use on other mk IV's,III's and stugs,3 cupolas,4 types return rollers...lights,lifting hooks,7 ariels and mounts....largest 'useful' spares haul in a kit so far.
Good luck with the return. Do let us know if you get the run-around. It's hard to know who to trust and hobby money doesn't grow on trees, as you well know (and my sainted wife reminds me on the regular 😄).
I’m looking to get the R-Model 35159 1/35 Metal Track For British A39 Tank destroyer.
Do you have to get all the R model tracks from eBay? Also can you recommend the person you get them from as there’s multiple sellers :)
Plot twist : the copper material the tracks are coated over was made of stolen copper bars and the dodgy company was trying to make money off of the stolen goods.
I like the white metal tracks they look like they have more of a cast texture , the brass track seams to clean the lines
I would keep them. Knock out pin marks are easy to remove especially when you don't have to do all 9of turntable
The copper plating it incredibly tough. You can't file them conventionally to remove the marks.
I don't know why your tracks are copper. But I do know ,because I've done it years ago.. one can use a chemical application with low heat that will leave small amounts of copper on the white metal..( lead /tin) If done a few times the metal will look like copper..ish . SO I'm guessing the tracks were give some sort of chemical bath and the cooper tint is the result...... possibly to avoid importing a "lead" product. ?
Should have tried to burnish one see if the copper flaked! There cast from a plastic tracks! Yeah totally accidental eh crossing out the batch number and putting in the Cz 35001 code! Must been sleeping when doing it lol
Was just looking at tracks on ebay and there are several CZ35001 copper looking tracks that are listed as r-model tracks all from sellers from China.
Yeah I just looked too. The second photo on those listings, showing the box on a grey cutting mat....that photo they took from my Facebook page.
Those are all from a different seller though. The seller I bought from still shows the R-Model box.
The pin marks are easily explained by simply making a low temperature vulcanising silicone white metal mould of plastic tracks or even making brass sub masters by spruing up and burning out plastic tracks by the lost wax casting method (I've done both myself in work experiments with plastic masters) then making a conventional white metal mould from the brass subs. Exactly what metal they've used here though I don't know but the pin marks and any mould lines would defo indicate that that's what this company have done. Bit of a shame really cos it's basically both piracy and an otherwise well presented and packaged looking product... until you open them lol.
Yeah its pretty low quality. Thank you for your input Stuart!
@@Panzermeister36 I'm still trying to remember how I know that name though, I could swear it's from something modelling related but it's just not coming back to me and a Google search has let me down 🤔
Since we are sort of on the subject, I have a question for you, or anyone else who follows you channel. This question is specific to Dragon Models, and kit number 6698, the M4A3 W Sherman. I am at step 11, build of the main gun and install in the turret.
Is there an error in the instructions at this point? Is there a piece missing? Am I doing something wrong? B10, the gun barrel, B13 and 14 the mantlet are way too small to get glued into the turret. Help....
Sammy if it's a Dragon kit I'm not the least surprised , well known for their vauge and badly numbered instructions. I've had part no's that are transposed and once not even mentioned on instructions atall .Hope you manage to figure it out.
@@tomatoes3 CRAP!!! You are not the first to tell me this. I have gone to several other sites and I get the same response. I went to the Dragon website in the hope there would be something like a "tech support desk".....all they have is something like a bulletin board, post you r question/comment and MAYBE someone, somewhere in the world has had the same experience and will get back to you.
Great detail on their kits, quality etc, but build 3 or 4 of them and your "spares box" is overflowing with un-used parts. Parts for the kit you are building are sprinkled through 8 or 9 sprues in the box.......sigh.
Thanks. :)
Thank You for your great videos ;) This one is very informative. Hope you wont have problem w sending back. Btw, you are one of the biggest inspiration for me to start my own youtube channel, so thank you so so much! Keep it up! :)
Thank you! I'm glad to be of inspiration
At a glance, it seems to be a good track. But does it easy to erase ejection mark ?
No, the copper coating makes the tracks incredibly durable and so it will be impossible to sand off the mark.
Would it be wrong to say the name of the ebay seller?
Well if they don't end up offering me a refund...then yes I'll tell everyone who it is.
That broken link looks like copper plated antimonium. An absolute $hit of a light, cheap material to work with. Used to deactivate Bagual branded revolvers, the frames were made with antimonium and broke just like that. Go ahead and ask for a refund.
Can you tell me where i can get metal tracks for my Hobby Boss 38t Ausf. G ?
So, there's a pin mark on the track is there? That really bugs you, doesn't it?
Yes because it's unacceptable since it cannot be repaired. I can't sand copper...it's too durable.
@@Panzermeister36 You did go on about it a bit, though.
...Because it was incredibly surprising to me, since no other metal tracks have it. Pretty sure I explained it in the video.
Can I ask you whom you ordered the Tracks from ????
The individual seller isn't the issue. All those sellers get the tracks from the same suppliers. Apparently the suppliers are now sending the sellers these instead of R-Model.
The seller will be an issue if they don't agree I should get a refund though...
Hi
I want to buy a new airbrush, better quality, precision, easy to clean, what de you use and recommand ?
I have a cheap one, for the learnimg period, but now it's time to change.
Thank you, learning a lot with your vidéo!
Badger 105 Patriot! That's my recommendation.
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Can’t return now as you have broken a track and order is not full, the company will send the package out again to another customer and they will be short supplied.
Just watch me.
Track sets give plenty of extras since it is common for links to be broken or mismolded.
You sure they're copper and not brass? I've heard of brass pins but can't recall hearing about copper pins.
Copper engineering split pins exist and are sometimes used where a steel or soft iron pin isn’t appropriate. The ones with the tracks look remarkably like part-finished split pins to me. Ones pulled off the production line before the final shaping and trimming was done.
Now was your damn hands! LOL.
Under eBay Buyer Protections buyer can request for refund for reason, "Wrong Item Sent." Ebay will guarantee buyer eventually receives full refund.
Why so is broken ? Bad Material ?
and they propablly are from an old tamiya kit
which ebay seller please? because R-Model are available from a number of different ebay sellers.
The individual seller isn't the issue. All those sellers get the tracks from the same suppliers. Apparently the suppliers are now sending the sellers these instead of R-Model.
The seller will be an issue if they don't agree I should get a refund though...
The pinmark is there because the mold is a knock off of a plastic trackmold and the chemical progress in the blackening solution might destroy the aluminium!Try to avoid chinese products from small companys directly marketed by chinese!Its something differnet with the big chinese companys!
I know, and I wouldn't have bought this had I known what I was going to get. It was a well known ebay seller from Hong Kong and the product shown was the great R-Model tracks.
btw i recently bought some Sanxin Tiger I Early tracks complete with brass pins - they are cheaper than R-Model and very good in quality; much cleaner than Friuls re hole going all the way through etc. Anyone else tried these?
Ive bought ONE set of Fruils in my life, upon finding I had to re-drill nearly EVERY track pin hole on every piece, that was my 1st & last set!...Still sitting loose in the original bag!...;)
Yup, bought Tiger E/1 earlys, panther & T34 tracks from Sanxin, all were EXCELLENT. Full length brass pins, no pin holes to re-drill on not a single track block on all 3 sets...
(Although the T34 example had brass full length pins, the surface finish of the tracks were a bit too smooth & highly polished, so when blued, they look good, but are a bit too smooth/shiny).....
-GREAT value though for the tiger/panther tracks. I'd def purchase again....
I usually purchase "R-Model" & sometimes UKR's "Sector35" tracks for all my models....
Take care...
Was it made in China?
Those don't look cast, they look MiM'd
Mim parts are just disgusting.
@@madcowrebel4216 if done right MiM parts can look pretty good.
They look like a copy in metal from Kaizen, they also have pins🤔
I didn't think Kaizen did KV tracks.
Damn it Mommy,you left the crust on my PB&J sandwich again...
If I had paid $50 for that sandwich and I had also paid for a completely different sandwich....it would be a valid complaint.
Что то новое в мире наборных траков
🍻🍺
Next time try to buy in Taobao
It's very sad you had to make this video and then others took advantage of the situation to sell more product? Wtf is wrong with people?
inform paypal,not the item shown,get money back
It's getting sorted out. The seller seems to be cooperating.
I would use them anyway....
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What do you expect ! It's made in China....
Is it just me or does this remind you of a penny? Coin shortage solved!!!!
hang on ..you want to replace the kit item tracks , you buy these , but won't put the minor work needed .. If at all ..to mount them on the tank ! it is not likely you will see the pin marks after painting and mounting.. still - a little sand down ( as you would normally do with pin marks on a model) , blackening/ painting up and then weathering.. and i dare say they would look fine.. Is that not the point of the hobby ..rather then shake the box and out comes a perfect KV1 with no work involved... hmmm
You can't sand these. They are copper plated and extremely durable. Also...you can see the pin marks very obviously due to KV suspension. If they could work I would use them. But these are knockoffs and they're not what I paid for.
If you paid for a brand new car and got a broken old one that could work if you put in a lot of work, would you not complain?
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Use Friul-model tracks ! Allways ! Made in Hungary, Europe
Very hard and expensive now that he no longer sells to distributors and model shops.