Don't Buy Adblue DEF From Places Like This! Shops & Petrol Stations Storing Adblue Incorrectly
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- Опубліковано 3 жов 2024
- Too many companies are storing adblue incorrectly.
almost every pterol station in the UK are storing adblue containers outside in direct sunlight and at temperatures way above 25°c
it states on there own bottles not to use it if its been in direct sunlight or stored above 25 degrees Celsius
this month has seen temperatures up to 41° with adblue left outside.
some containers showing signs of leaking so not sealed correctly.
some stations I've seen dust covered and sun faded cans that suggest they have been there way past the 12 month shelf life and even had the production or expiry dates removed 😲
ADBLU , saving the planet one plastic container at a time!!!!
A lot better than buying an EV. To manufacture each EV battery, you must process 25,000 pounds of brine for the lithium 30,000 pounds of ore for the cobalt 5,000 pounds of ore for the nickel, 25,000 pounds of ore for copper Diging up 500,000 pounds of the earth's crust For just - one - battery
You can recycle plastic nit your lungs 😂
@@kamikazekaos Most plastics can't be recycled
@@kamikazekaos,naive.
ADBLUE is like one of those things that an old bloke told me about when I started work 50 years back, he said to me "Today's new materials are tomorrow's new problems"
he was talking about plastics being used instead of metals but it applies to everything,
Great advice Jimmy. I bet that 99% of the so called motor trade will not know this !
That’s because 99% of the motor trade know it’s this nonsense
In Australia we mix it freshly the day before we top up. I use 6kg of Urea in a 20L plastic Fuel can (~30%) with no issues in last 10yrs. Urea costs me $34 for 20kg, Filtered water is free, ie: cost is about AU$10.20 [51c/Litre] for 20Litres. I get my Urea (98.9% pure) from a Rural Supplier just down the road, they use it for fertilizer.
Well done
Amazing they tell you it can't be done
I won't own any thing that has this
Old school fitter in Australia 🇦🇺
Happy Australia Day
I don’t use Adblue, but this is the first time I’ve heard about this. So well done “O’Rileys Autos” for highlighting something that the rest of the auto trade “and” the relevant authorities should be telling us. 👍
Great advice for all motorists out there 👍 👍, no one take note to read all printing on the label,,another helpful advice 👏
Well done Jimmy Good honest mechanics like you are absolute gems thanks for calling out these cowboys. Well done my good friend👍
Thanks 👍
The only thing that is wrong Jimmy is, once it's in the vehicles storage tank, it's outside in all weathers and temperatures !
Temp might be up there but every tank on a vehicle is underneath and not in a transparent container taking on full sunlight
Butnot in direct sun light.
Well I knew it had a temp storage range but didn't know it only had about 12 months shelf life. Every day is a school day
I've seen a chart where the shelf life drops to under 6 months @
Container I've just bought says 18 months. Usually these shelf lives are quite conservative, but it does seem that temps over 25C may make it degrade faster. It should be easy enough to measure if the fluid is still within spec.
Good shout. Bought mine at a shell garage near Carlisle. Cost me £500 at Jaguar dealer to have it fixed after DEF came on. Properly rinsed yet again by Jag.
Thanks for sharing
Adblue pump at fuel station is where I go.
Fair play to you Jimmy. Just honest straight forward Irishman. Telling people what is causing the problem even if it is taking work away from you love it.❤❤❤
Wondering what your thoughts are on AdBlue from the pump? I’m thinking if it’s used by the HGVs there would be more throughout of the liquid stored - I.e. shorter shelf life?
Crazy that garages are so stupid with storage.
100% no issues with NOX exceedance since I started using pump for adblue at large garage. The containers at the garage are sitting in sunlight
‘That’s not a good sign’ great technical knowledge there mate… I also like how you provide studies to support your claims and didn’t just use nonsense anecdotal evidence without any proof that storage makes any difference to the performance of the vehicle
For those of us not doing a high mileage I would suggest that the adblue in the car tank will be there for more than 12 months and if not garaged will regularly see temperatures well above 25C in summer and well below 0C in winter. Surely if it were that temperature and time sensitive they'd not do that?
You should be ok with the heat as the tank isn't in direct sunlight. It's surprising how cool it stays.
Yes it can 'drop out' over time. Having said that, we had a customer who did little mileage and never had any issues with it.
@@mistsmogguru8378 If it's scorchio then it stands to reason that all fluids will see the same temperature just like your washer fluid freezes in winter. When they say its 30C outside that's in the shade, not full sun.
@@aib0160it doesn’t freeze in the washer bottle it freezes in the tiny nozzles/tubes that are very close to the bonnet which are affected much more by ambient temperatures
@@JayGee6996 Trust me, fresh water freezes at below temperatures of 0C irrespective of where it is.
@@aib0160 only if it’s exposed for long enough which is why the nozzles and tubes are always the first to go; it’s also why the surface of a lake freezes but not necessarily the entire body of water.
Adblue is primarily urea or CO(NH2)2, which breaks down to ammonia (NH3). It is the ammonia that is the main reactant that neutralizes NOx. The fact you can smell ammonia is an indicator that the product contains the primary reactant, if you can't smell ammonia then then the product contains far too much water.
That is what nobody knows, i always add fresh yellow instead. But Most of the time just 500ml per refillment!
I try to buy mine from B & Q. They store it inside, & they’re half the price of a gas station. Having said that, I buy a new one as soon as I use the older one, then leave it in the back of my pick up. I obviously need to stop doing this. Thanks for the info. I never knew this.
B&M also sells adblue. It's the same manufacturer as B&Q, but it's cheaper.
Actually my car uses so little ADBlue I am going to start buying 5L rather than 10L. I always shake mine very well before topping up, and I keep it under the bench in the dark and cool...
I think I'll be getting it out the pump from now on
I was worried that I had put expired adblue in my car. I had a feeling that the date on the container was in fact the date of manufacture... your video is the only thing that cleared it up for me. 😁
They should make it more clear but I think prd means production date
Thanks a lot for your advice
It is very hard to fnd good information about adblue. Begs the question as to if it goes off in the vehicle tank too; I took no chances recently and drained my tank (vehicle idle for over a year) and refilled with fresh stuff from a motorfactors.
Fair play to you, i never knew.
Hi Jimmy, great video, and some good advice. For information, I have been in the AdBlue industry since 2005 and have seen the product's development and expansion. As a responsible supplier, we also try to give best advice to customers on storage etc, but you are correct - the advice does not seem to reach either the retailers nor the consumers.
To address your points, and corroborate what has been said in some of the comments:
1. Storage temperature is more important than whether it is kept in direct sunlight - as has been said elsewhere, the higher the storage temperature, the faster the product degrades. The 12 month "shelf life" is applied by the VDA, the German authority who licences AdBlue, and it isn't a hard and fast figure. Their advice is to have it tested after 12 months to confirm it still meets the spec, but nobody ever does that. Urea solution is stable, and sunlight does not directly affect its concentration, but of course being stored in sunlight does mean it is likely to have been stored at a consistently higher temperature.
2. Smell is a very vague guide. Some AdBlue smells quite strongly of Ammonia, other batches don't smell at all. I would say that this isn't really an indication of product specification. If it smells REALLY strong, though, maybe avoid it. You shouldn't really stick your nose into a can or too closely, as ammonia vapour at high strengths can be fatal. Instead, sniff from a sensible height above the aperture, or wave your hand across the open can and sniff the wafted air.
3. Beware crystallisation around the neck of containers. If you do see this, check the tamper-proof seal is intact, as it might mean that containers have been refilled from a bigger one and resealed. If the tamper-proof seal is gone, DO NOT BUY. Technically, any container that has been refilled by anyone other than a licenced supplier is not AdBlue, even if it has been refilled with AdBlue. If the tamper-proof is intact but there's crystallisation around it, there probably won't be an issue with the product. Airtight just means no contaminants can get into it, and the likelihood of dust and dirt getting into a closed lid, even if not fully sealed, is quite low. So I'd say check for any bits floating in it when you open it, before using. If there are none, it should be okay.
4. Remember HGV pumps are not suitable for use with cars, as the flow rate wis usually too high and the nozzle will keep cutting out. Trucks use a slightly larger aperture in the filler neck, too.
5. If at all possible, avoid using small packs - as people have stated, single-use plastic (they cannot be refilled for use with AdBlue) is not a good thing. Go to the pump if you can. Cleaner as well - no spills or waste. Quick advert - we designed and built a dispenser especially for cars, it is called the COSSU. Look out for them, or tell your service station you want them to put one in. commercialfuelsolutions.co.uk/COSSU Gives a timed dispense, should be sited in the service bay with the air and water, no mess, no waste, no plastic.
6. If it has "AdBlue" on the label, it will be licenced product and therefore is suitable for use. (Unless it is a refilled container as above). If it says anything other than AdBlue on the label, do not use it. Adding water to Urea does not make AdBlue as the Urea used as fertilizer, whilst chemically the same, is a different grade - it is usually coated with another chemical to stop it turning into a big solid lump when it gets moist.
7. Turning off the SCR system to avoid AdBlue issues is ILLEGAL as your emissions will be illegal - you would fail the next MOT as well.
Hope all this advice and information is useful!
Sean
Thank you for bringing this up. What do you think is better to get adblue from containers or from the pump?
Hi matey, have just bought my first diesel that uses Urea (adblue) your video os just what i needed and has answered lots of my questions that i had niggling in my mind lol
I suppose Halfords and or eurocars would be a good place to look ?? Seen the stuff in aldi too which to be fair was stored inside the store and in a clean environment??
Thanks for some really good tips i will definitely look for the producttion dates and use by dates so 👍👍👍 👍
I know some might not agree but motorist are getting ripped off left right a centre, when I took my peugeot 3008 2016 for it's last MOT to my trusted go to garage he showed me a car who's adblue had major problems and cost a fortune to put right , we talked about adblue delete which I decided to have done , I had the delete done with a stage two map for fuel economy, been done for over a year now no problems what so ever and no future adblue problems.
I know, let's add piss to lower emissions. Don't call it piss though or they won't fall for it.
I keep an extra spout in my van to make it easier to fill cleaned my van out yesterday and the crap that came out of just the spout was unbelievable i won't buy a car that uses it I can't see how its anything but trouble
Excellent advice and will note for next time 👍
Thank you I had no idea 👍🏻😉👏👏👏👏
No problem 👍
My Previous Diesel. Ford Bmax didn't use Adblue. Current car is petrol. But will keep it in mind should my next vehicle be a Diesel, needing Adblue. Great Information. Shame on retailers and others who don't correctly follow the manufacturers recommendations. See you in the next one. 👍👍
Just don't buy a diesel that requires add blue. The stuff is a giant pain.
Good advice thanks 👍🍻
No problem 👍
Berlingos had a recall on the Adblue filler cap but it is difficult to find information on this and whether you have the upgraded cap fitted.
I get mine from pump now. Cheaper too
I bookmarked this chart a while back showing the importance of temperature during storage of adblue - Prolonged storage above 25 °C will cause hydrolysis to occur, with the consequent formation of ammonia and pressure rise, and will reduce shelf life.
The shelf life of AdBlue® is the period of time, starting with the completion of the production of the batch, in which this product, stored under specific conditions, remains within the specifications defined in ISO 22241-1:2006. The shelf life as function of the average product temperature is given in the following table:
Average product temperature °C Minimum shelf life Months
≤10 36
≤25 18
≤30 12
≤35 6
So once the Adblu is in the Vehicle and the ambient temp is say 41c does the Adblu still go OFF!.
It’s the new rip off for diesel drivers. When I first started using it it was about £8 for a big tub but now it’s more in the region of £25-£30
£36 at my local petrol station 😮
@@ORileysAutosgo to b and q
more than crystals around filler neck, it can cause crystals on the injector in exhaust aswell and pretty much close it up...
how about the pumped type at the station?
Is it best to use a filter with mesh when pouring it into your vehicle?
⚠️Even better advice.
Don't buy vehicles requiring Adblue.
Crazy concept
Adblu 😂 car manufacturers won't ad a hydrogen generator for a cleaner quieter, more economical vehicle
ALDI is a good source, rapid stock turnover, air conditioned storage in store, no direct sunlight, cheap.
Learn something new everyday !
Some great advice.
Thank you 🙏
Thanks Jimmy, just got a car with an adblue engine, great tip.
Does the adblue tank need removal to clean it ?
No you just pay the manufacturer for a new one.
cheers jim pity you didn't do this video sooner.
All the guys i know with vans got rid of the ad blue system and guess what they stopped having problems
The message on LRs for 'incorrect Adblue quality' is a mystery to me. What is the 'quality' that fails ? Does this really mean that the nozzles injecting it are clogged and there is a sensor that can tell not enough of the chemical is finding it's way into the exhaust? Perhaps the reading from NoX sensor that is referenced quite often? What is it Jimmy, do you think?
Query: what about draining the tank of all the old fluid and putting a gallon of very hot water, start the car and let it pump hot water through the crystallized injector? Seems like that would melt away the salt crystals and then you're back in business. You've already got the error code, so let that inject for a few minutes, perhaps repeat with more hot water - I mean it would have to get super hot to act quickly in my estimation. Do that 2 or 3 or 4 times, then add the good stuff. Reset your codes. Anybody try this? I'm looking at a 2017 US ver. Range Rover sport with this message, need to tackle it.
Hello, I have a 2019 sprinter, ad blue consumes it slowly, i.e. I have driven 2000 kilometers and in the adblue calculator, 400 kilometers have been reduced.
Is this normal or is it some kind of defect ?
There is an anti-crystallization fluid that can be added 25ml per 10l of AdBlue.
Have you a name for it ?
@@davemcnish4235 3RG, eventually my AdBlue pump on my Peugeot 308 collapsed, whole reservoir had to be replaced (1400 Eur) so I deactivated that shi* electronically.
Have you had success with the anti crystalizing fluid for Adblue? What is the name, do you know? Any help appreciated. Wondering if it will unclog a clogged DEF injector also. That would be marvelous extraordinaire!
@@horacesawyer2487 in Poland they recommend Tunap for that purpose.
Unfortunately in my case the pump stopped working, and since it’s costly to replace it with the whole AdBlue tank, I had to switch this shit off.
Another good video - thank you. If you have time a video on the different fluids would be good. Adblue, eolys, FAP, PAT, etc. Can I just put Launch DPF cleaner in the Adblue tank and call it good as they are both water-based :o)? What are the differences, how do I tell what I need and where do I get it from? Keep up the videos! Cheers.
Thanks for the heads up. Very useful.
Why can't we just use [edit filtered] diluted piss with blue dye added for free 😂
So are you telling me that in places like the South of France adblue needs to be stored in temperature controlled environments?
Indeed
@@ORileysAutos I can somewhat understand the rise in price then.
So if isn't good enough what's the problem using it?
See my question on Adblue quality and introducing very hot water into an empty DEF tank. Attack on the crystalizing !
So is it best to get it from the pump on a gas station? I got my last one from Costco, had manufacturers date 30 days before I bought it.
What about when it’s in your car ? -o c. or + 25 c ?
Cold does not degrade the fluid. Heat does. So yes total lifetime goes down with higher storage temp (36 months under 10C, 18 months under 25C, 6 months under 35C). Same will be true under the car. It's not going to be over 25C much of the year in the UK, so the combined time in the tub and in the adblue tank will be fine up to about 18 months. In practice it'll be OK longer than than - exactly how much longer is hard to say.
What is happening to ad Blue in a car’s ad Blue tank parked or driven in Australia in summer when temperatures hit over 35 degrees for day or weeks during our hot summers? I just got my new Fiat Ducao motor home,it will be parked in open space in direct sunlight? I wonder?
Does it deteriorate once it’s inside the car or will it last ok until it needs to be refilled?
Great video mate is it OK to buy from an actual ad blue pump at my local BP station. Thanks in advance
Yes, absolutely
Never have been a fan of diesel engines in cars, had four over a period of 16 years when they were supplied as part of my job. It made sense then as it saved many £'s on income tax, also they were before the advent of pdf's & adblue. HM Government did a great job of conning, IMHO, the general car buying public in to buying diesels as they were 'clean'. My experience from the last two cars that covered lowish mileage and a lot of stop-start city driving is they were not suited to that type of use, giving very poor fuel consumption. From the videos Jimmy has posted I am certain that I would have needed his services by now if I had gone for diesel, probably after some very expensive 'repairs' done elsewhere. Current car is 7 years old 2L petrol with turbo, no issues at all with fuel/ignition/exhaust system, mileage not high at 43,000.
I am having issues with my adblue system.
Why dose the 497 refill message, not change, when I drive my van for 100 miles, the same message is on dashboard 497 to refill.
I would appreciate your feedback and advice. Thanks
Never gave it any thought before 🤔 great information/advise
great info! thanks. what about buying it from the pumps in certain service stations?
So the answer is, DON'T BUY A CAR THAT NEEDS ADBLUE
Good advice, filling my T6 always puts me on edge as they are so particular about amount and when to top up. Currently mine is saying 2500 miles left and I have a long trip coming up in a couple of months, waiting for it to drop and tell me to top it up which I hope it does it before the trip.
Would you recommend using the ad blue pumps instead of using gallons
Yes definitely
Just wondering what if I top up the ad blue tank with DPF cleaner, rather than spray it in the ad blue injector place
Idea
ad blue is for use with the SCR Cat not the DPF. its normally after the DPF and also most adblue systems on modern vehicles have a quality sensor in the system so will shut down the system bring a management light on and possibly put you in a reduced power/limp mode.
DPF: what about super hot water in the tank to clean the DEF nozzles? Empty the tank first then hot water, run it, repeat. Maybe add some solvent - as you suggest - but what? I'm thinking DPF cleaner may be too strong for the wimpy adblue injection system. Did you try this? Please share. I'm looking at having to play with the tank and injector on an RR Sport 2017 US ver.
You need to adjust your camera settings, as image when you're in cab is MIRRORED!
Also seems to have doubled in price since it first come out
2 years ago £8 now £36 near me
B&Q/screwfix/wolseley plumbers merchants to name a few are selling this …around £16 for 10 litres and it’s kept inside the building… that’s where I get mine and never had a problem, half the price of the mainstream garages..😉
@@stephen2304 Thanks mate its for my work van I can only get it on fuel card from bp luckily the one i get it from seems to sell alot and it isn't stored incorrectly for to long if that makes a difference.
Fair play.
It's not cheap either....I used to buy mine from a local motor factors which stored the drums in a warehouse correctly.
Any idea if the Adblue additives help? (Like Wynns Crystal Clear and Protect, or any other you may recommend)
Just got a new car, adblue fault, in getting fixed as I type. My parents car had an adblue fault twice, new tank, new sensor and €2,000 lighter.
did you try that and is it works?
Great as ever Jimmy!! I saw a documentary on this some while ago, and please correct me if I am wrong but ADBLUE IS diluted urea which is plain old urine!! so it's bound to crystallize if left in extreme temperatures. Thanks Jimmy
Never knew there was a documentary. Do you know how to find it? I've heard it's made from urine lol but never really looked into it
Yes it was just something I saw one night, I can't remember if it was on the box, or on UA-cam! One thing's for sure it's the people like us that buy theses vehicles that are the real guinea pigs. Steady with that Jack 💗your channel Thanks.
it's not urine, it's made from ammonia from a bi product of gas processing@@ORileysAutos
The Air1 in your video was filled in my factory in Stoke.
It is synthetic urea, IE, man made, not human or animal urine.
Thanks for that bud✌️
No problem 👍
Just turn off ad blue then you not have to buy it any way
Someone is making a fortune selling that crap
A garage near me has adblue in a pump like petrol or diesel the use a lot of it they have 25 trucks. would that be alright to use this in my mercedes
Yes it would be ok
And they are also ripping you off, adblue is more expensive than fuel!
I’m often thought this, Halfords near me do it also!
Great tip. Thanks for posting 👏👍
Brilliant advise, thankyou. Just need the retailers to get the message and store it correctly.
Jimmy is the man 😎
Interesting tip this. Thank you.
I had a little from last summer that I stored in my shed so not in direct sunlight. We've had a very cold winter...Will it be OK to use?
Safer to use a fresh one
Can't you just put distilled water in instead of adblue? Just curious 🤔
No
now that's an idea...., dilute with DI water a bit at a time until get first warning code and compare ratio with other makes
Top man for sharing this vital info 👍👍👍
Your intro music is upsetting
Is it UK ?
Yes
I would never touch it without gloves too 👌
Add blue in Australia is $1.74 per litre
More POULITION to make the One time use container than what it saves
They are different sorts of pollution so you can't just net them out like that. The plastic container can be recycled. NOx ends up in the atmosphere, making smog and doing harm to people (and animals), if it's not treated. The embedded emissions in the plastic tub will be tiny.
@@xxwookey
You think
@@garreysellars5525 LDPE has embodied emissions of about 1Kg/Kg. So 10l adblue tub will be ~0.3Kg CO2e. That's the same as driving about 2km in an average car. NOx (which adblue removes) is not a global warming gas, so again, one can't just net one sort of pollution against another as they are apples and oranges.
Better still , don’t buy add blue, screw the climate
It's not the climate, it is the quality of the air you are breathing that AdBlue affects. Stops you breathing in poisonous NoX
Sound advice, thanks for posting!
Glad it was helpful!
So are we supposed to keep it in the fridge in the summer???
it will last longer if you do.
Many thanks for your advice.
You are welcome!
Well said👍