literally got to diamond from silver because of this concept, which not only applies to top but mid as well in terms of knowing your level spikes. great vid, there def needs more discussion on these topics Keep it up!
@@thedanksoul this applies to adc as well, you can do literally everything he explained in this video other than the bwipo, although you can do that one too if your support is competent. Both you and your support getting level 2 first is a MASSIVE lead, and cheesing enemy botlane in tribrush is broken
For some reason i can't find the comment you sent about playing sett and getting ganked etc. It was pretty vague but generally if you're getting ganked and dying early game what you're messing up on is your early wave manipulation typically 3rd wave crashes into backing off to dodge gank windows. If you're getting ganked post lvl 6 onwards etc and dying then you need to acknowledge the concept of strongsiding/weaksiding. Unless you can 1v2 what I recommend you do is track where your jungler is, when your jungler is close you fight, when your jungler is on the other side of the map play passively. This gives you enough windows to fight while making sure you don't die while your team is trying to make plays elsewhere. The reason you track your jungler is because it's infinitely easier to see where your jungler is than enemy jg. Of course if you see the enemy jungler is bot then be aggressive too.
@@EragonUK I see, let me elaborate a little more. My problem is getting ganked really early, like in minute 3. I tend to play really aggressive to get ahead but I'm unable to understand the enemys jungle pathing, sometimes I get ganked in minute 2, sometimes I got ignored the whole game, I know that every jungle is a world but I want to find a way to defend myself a little bit more. That's way I'm trying to rely on my ward game but everytime I feel comfortable with the place I put them, I get ganked from a completely new opening. That's why I was asking for ward advice. Post 6 getting ganked isn't a problem couse I've already hitted my item spike or I can just ult away. Thanks for answering so quickly, I really appreciate it. :)
@@julianlucena4655 So, what I recommend is going into your games and paying attention to where the jungler starts is step 1 as well as seeing if they are a strong ganking jungler or not, then adapt how aggressive you are. After this what I recommend you do is you focus on wave management of specifically the first 3 waves of the lane. These are important and can determine if you're gankable or not at 3 minutes. Some games you need to let the enemy top push you in early, some games you have to push these 3 waves and then back off. If you're dying at 3 minutes consistently it's 100% this wave management letting you down. I can't really get more specific as there are too many vague things in this question unfortunately
Every single time I get baffled by discord pings. Every single time. Great information. Drives me crazy that content like this is buried so deep by youtube's clickbait favoring search.
Tysm! Great video. I had actually been doing this as both Gangplank and Mordekaiser in my climb recently. Most of the Bwipo at least. Except for the where to stand, I never thought about standing in the river there. Thanks you! I've lost some games recently even though I felt I played well early. So nice to get confirmation that I'm on the right path.
I’m glad I found your channel dude :) love your informative videos so much and I actually look forward to seeing more from you in the future! Also (kind of a me problem) I have problems closing out games when playing Camille (only her, other champs are fine). Why is that so? And what should I do to improve on it? Would love if you could help :) have a great day
Thank you I really appreciate the kind words. Unfortunately your question is a little impossible to answer without seeing gameplay because it's so vague you know? You could be doing so many different things wrong and I just have no idea, maybe you splitpush too much, maybe you die mid game too much, maybe you stop farming etc. I'm sorry it's a bit too hard to answer. What I can say is though I recommend you watch some really good Camille players and see what they do in the time you struggle. Then compare to your gameplay and you can come up with a fix so you learn!
Coach Eragon Yeah I understand haha it’s kinda impossible to really say without actual gameplay. But what should I think about when playing her? Because I just end up forcing fights and dying lol. I’m used to playing champs like wukong volibear kled, champs that just go full all in without a care, and that playstyle doesn’t really fit Camille’s. So what should I try to focus on doing?
@@gur9511 so from what you're saying it sounds like your roams aren't optimal or you aren't keeping up farming etc. A big thing on Camille is not overcomplicating your mid game and taking too many random fights just because she's so good at roaming. You want consistency so try to look for opportunities when they're there but don't force as hard while managing your resource income. Camille scales with gold so hard and if behind she really struggles way harder than those other champs. So being less flippy is important.
Coach Eragon hmm interesting. Tysm and i’ll try to focus on these things when playing her now. Keep making interesting content and have a great day man :)
Awesome content man! Keep the info videos coming. Would love to see some gameplay of you were you point out what anx why you are doing certain things!! Keep it up!
As an Illaoi onetrick that is around Diamond, I learnt the Bwipo on my own skin. The part that I dislike the most about it is that most of the times ( like in this video, for example ) the champions who do it are the ones who also scale better into the lategame. Many of the ones you listed in this video are lategame monsters. So doing this trims the carry window of other " normal " top laners by a lot. I wonder how old this trick is ( or rather when did this become popular ), because most of this is allowed by keystones and they have been a thing for many seasons now. Yet I had no problems with this in like season 7.
Nice video, really useful. I have a question about lv 1 wave management and maybe you could do a video about it. When should I push first wave? when should I let the wave even? and when to let enemy laner push?
Would like to suggets for Micro Guide, you do "the bush" concepts that TheShy abuses alot. You can see on his channel in his games with Vayne, Syndra and Kalista on SoloQ
Thank you so much for all the tips! Question though for the positioning part: if I stand where you said we should by the tri-bush in the river, doesn't that open up opportunities for invades from the other side in the river by mid-lane? Then I'd be vulnerable for attacks from behind through the tri-bush if they circled through.... Assuming the mid-laner decided not to cover that part, of course
Good video, man. But this make me question when im in the opposite side. If the enemy waits one the top bush level 1, what im supposed to do ? There's no good way that i can think that makes me be in a good position: i lose cs or xp, etc.
I fully understand what should be done if you don't need to leash, you have a poke ability, and your jungler equalizes the enemy jungler's gank. But what do you do if the scenario is averagely different... hell what if the jungler walks right out of red buff to gank you if he see's such aggresive behaviour? I'm asking cos it's not every game your jungler coincidentally matches and counterganks the enemy jungler.
That's the right question. I saw the video and immediately thought the same thing. If your jungler wasn't there, you'd be probably dead or forced to flash.
What do I do if I'm on the opposing side? I main nasus and I usually take resolve, will bone plating be enough to soak up the exp? Also thanks for all the informative content :D
Ah I missed that, so for level 1 safe positioning you're going to want to stand in the river in front of rift herald pit but at the entrance to your blue side jg to blue buff.
after you pull the wave lvl 1, when should you start last hitting. Does it ensure that as long as im careful with my last hits, it will push towards my tower?
Sure it happens in a Fnatic game but it won't happen consistently in soloq haha, of course this positioning isn't flawless but it's the most consistent in soloq.
Yo - could you do a video on macro? I've been having games where 1) If I win lane, I just roam and try to help my team but lose mostly because even if the gank goes well, then I will just have 5cs/min instead of 8cs/min minimum. 2) If I win lane, I just die because I perma force fights and they are much more ahead than my laners or even me sometimes. I'm probably ditching the sidelane too much
I have a question to the Cheese strat: I dont see how Volibear, Fiora and Wukong win ? Do you need a specific skill of their kit or do you just need your mentioned runes + their stats to win Lvl 1 ?
Their kits are inherantly really broken level 1. For Wukong it's his Passive that makes him win all ins, for Fiora she has loads of auto resets and alots of damage through passive too, then volibear's W gives him one of the strongest all ins in the game as well alongside his passive. Most champions just can't fight them if they know how to play their kits
Not many! I can't remember too many as I haven't mained Wu in a few months but I think Olaf does as an example. I think potentially Volibear with W start can too. But Wukong is really god tier level 1.
Ok, one thing that bothered me was the minionpull. You should have let that clip finish to show the minion death since it still looked like the damage got spread out evenly, but expect that, nice.
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Sorry for the loud discord notifications! I'll make sure to mute discord next time 😅
literally got to diamond from silver because of this concept, which not only applies to top but mid as well in terms of knowing your level spikes. great vid, there def needs more discussion on these topics
Keep it up!
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@@thedanksoul this applies to adc as well, you can do literally everything he explained in this video other than the bwipo, although you can do that one too if your support is competent. Both you and your support getting level 2 first is a MASSIVE lead, and cheesing enemy botlane in tribrush is broken
how do you know when u ca ndo this. their jg is there
@@cupidok2768tell your support to use his fing wards
I really like that ppt for the presentation purpose. Actually a great way to emphasise the key points. Please do more of those educational videos. :)
Thought that discord notif was mine xD Would be waiting for more informative vids
I really liked this ted-talk style video. Very informative and easy to understand. I would like to see more!
For some reason i can't find the comment you sent about playing sett and getting ganked etc. It was pretty vague but generally if you're getting ganked and dying early game what you're messing up on is your early wave manipulation typically 3rd wave crashes into backing off to dodge gank windows.
If you're getting ganked post lvl 6 onwards etc and dying then you need to acknowledge the concept of strongsiding/weaksiding. Unless you can 1v2 what I recommend you do is track where your jungler is, when your jungler is close you fight, when your jungler is on the other side of the map play passively. This gives you enough windows to fight while making sure you don't die while your team is trying to make plays elsewhere. The reason you track your jungler is because it's infinitely easier to see where your jungler is than enemy jg. Of course if you see the enemy jungler is bot then be aggressive too.
@@EragonUK I see, let me elaborate a little more. My problem is getting ganked really early, like in minute 3. I tend to play really aggressive to get ahead but I'm unable to understand the enemys jungle pathing, sometimes I get ganked in minute 2, sometimes I got ignored the whole game, I know that every jungle is a world but I want to find a way to defend myself a little bit more. That's way I'm trying to rely on my ward game but everytime I feel comfortable with the place I put them, I get ganked from a completely new opening. That's why I was asking for ward advice. Post 6 getting ganked isn't a problem couse I've already hitted my item spike or I can just ult away.
Thanks for answering so quickly, I really appreciate it. :)
@@julianlucena4655 So, what I recommend is going into your games and paying attention to where the jungler starts is step 1 as well as seeing if they are a strong ganking jungler or not, then adapt how aggressive you are.
After this what I recommend you do is you focus on wave management of specifically the first 3 waves of the lane. These are important and can determine if you're gankable or not at 3 minutes. Some games you need to let the enemy top push you in early, some games you have to push these 3 waves and then back off. If you're dying at 3 minutes consistently it's 100% this wave management letting you down.
I can't really get more specific as there are too many vague things in this question unfortunately
Hooohohohh man what a gem of a nugget of information. Thank you.
Every single time I get baffled by discord pings. Every single time.
Great information. Drives me crazy that content like this is buried so deep by youtube's clickbait favoring search.
"So, just to recap; to do this you need to know...." well that's me out then, I know nothing. :> Great vid, very informative.
Tysm! Great video. I had actually been doing this as both Gangplank and Mordekaiser in my climb recently. Most of the Bwipo at least. Except for the where to stand, I never thought about standing in the river there. Thanks you! I've lost some games recently even though I felt I played well early. So nice to get confirmation that I'm on the right path.
As a top laner, I find your videos super helpful! Keep up the awesome work!
Damn this is soo good. I just became a top laner from jungle and this really helped a lot. You just got a new sub. Please upload more of these!
Great tips, great advice, and great cats; overall solid and concise videos! You deserve more subs!
This is so great!! More videos like this!! This helps me a lot as a toplaner who got into this game couple months ago
Really appreciate these easy to watch easy to absorb videos. Keep them coming!!!
I’m glad I found your channel dude :) love your informative videos so much and I actually look forward to seeing more from you in the future!
Also (kind of a me problem) I have problems closing out games when playing Camille (only her, other champs are fine). Why is that so? And what should I do to improve on it? Would love if you could help :) have a great day
Thank you I really appreciate the kind words.
Unfortunately your question is a little impossible to answer without seeing gameplay because it's so vague you know? You could be doing so many different things wrong and I just have no idea, maybe you splitpush too much, maybe you die mid game too much, maybe you stop farming etc. I'm sorry it's a bit too hard to answer.
What I can say is though I recommend you watch some really good Camille players and see what they do in the time you struggle. Then compare to your gameplay and you can come up with a fix so you learn!
Coach Eragon Yeah I understand haha it’s kinda impossible to really say without actual gameplay. But what should I think about when playing her? Because I just end up forcing fights and dying lol. I’m used to playing champs like wukong volibear kled, champs that just go full all in without a care, and that playstyle doesn’t really fit Camille’s. So what should I try to focus on doing?
@@gur9511 so from what you're saying it sounds like your roams aren't optimal or you aren't keeping up farming etc. A big thing on Camille is not overcomplicating your mid game and taking too many random fights just because she's so good at roaming. You want consistency so try to look for opportunities when they're there but don't force as hard while managing your resource income.
Camille scales with gold so hard and if behind she really struggles way harder than those other champs. So being less flippy is important.
Coach Eragon hmm interesting. Tysm and i’ll try to focus on these things when playing her now. Keep making interesting content and have a great day man :)
This is crazy keep uploading
Awesome content man! Keep the info videos coming. Would love to see some gameplay of you were you point out what anx why you are doing certain things!!
Keep it up!
keep posting, these are fantastic.
Ty for the video, rly appreciated, keep going
Just discovered your channel. I needed these to finally reach master.
Thanks, very useful!
Dang the bwipo is nuts, id hate to be the jayce in that scenario
Great video keep it up bro
Hey Eragon, My names Aragon. Thank you for the guide :D
Really good!
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Thanks for the guide
You made me check my discord =D Great vid, thanks!
Amazing video
As an Illaoi onetrick that is around Diamond, I learnt the Bwipo on my own skin. The part that I dislike the most about it is that most of the times ( like in this video, for example ) the champions who do it are the ones who also scale better into the lategame. Many of the ones you listed in this video are lategame monsters. So doing this trims the carry window of other " normal " top laners by a lot. I wonder how old this trick is ( or rather when did this become popular ), because most of this is allowed by keystones and they have been a thing for many seasons now. Yet I had no problems with this in like season 7.
cool vid! thank you for the effort! you just gained one new sub! ;)
great video, i learned alot :)
Nice video, really useful. I have a question about lv 1 wave management and maybe you could do a video about it. When should I push first wave? when should I let the wave even? and when to let enemy laner push?
very good video bro, i like it too much thanks you
really good content
Very informative! Is your name from the book series?
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HOly shit this is really valuable knowledge thanks so much.
Nice vid, btw Your link to gamepedia in the description is broken.
Thank you. Will fix
Would like to suggets for Micro Guide, you do "the bush" concepts that TheShy abuses alot. You can see on his channel in his games with Vayne, Syndra and Kalista on SoloQ
great vid
Thank you so much for all the tips! Question though for the positioning part: if I stand where you said we should by the tri-bush in the river, doesn't that open up opportunities for invades from the other side in the river by mid-lane? Then I'd be vulnerable for attacks from behind through the tri-bush if they circled through.... Assuming the mid-laner decided not to cover that part, of course
Good video, man. But this make me question when im in the opposite side. If the enemy waits one the top bush level 1, what im supposed to do ? There's no good way that i can think that makes me be in a good position: i lose cs or xp, etc.
Love the vid, just wondering if lets say im the victim of "the bwipo" what do i do? Just farm as best as i can and hope for scaling?
I fully understand what should be done if you don't need to leash, you have a poke ability, and your jungler equalizes the enemy jungler's gank. But what do you do if the scenario is averagely different... hell what if the jungler walks right out of red buff to gank you if he see's such aggresive behaviour? I'm asking cos it's not every game your jungler coincidentally matches and counterganks the enemy jungler.
That's the right question. I saw the video and immediately thought the same thing. If your jungler wasn't there, you'd be probably dead or forced to flash.
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What do I do if I'm on the opposing side? I main nasus and I usually take resolve, will bone plating be enough to soak up the exp? Also thanks for all the informative content :D
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What if you’re blue side for level 1 positioning?
Ah I missed that, so for level 1 safe positioning you're going to want to stand in the river in front of rift herald pit but at the entrance to your blue side jg to blue buff.
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after you pull the wave lvl 1, when should you start last hitting. Does it ensure that as long as im careful with my last hits, it will push towards my tower?
you didn't mention jax as a strong level 1 champion, although i guess his level 1 wasn't so oppressive pre lethal tempo
What if like thresh or anyone one flashed to get to the bust that is near top and got you like you just flash or die
Video on late game decision making?
Can you make a video about TheShys laning phase?
That's very specific but I can definitely take a look and add it to the list!
@@EragonUK Ty you are the best!
What do you think about mordekaisers level 1? I think it is really good because of his passive but I am never sure if I will win or not.
1:44 some supports can still flank you someone died to a rakan w into the bush or behind it i cant remember think it was a fnc game
Sure it happens in a Fnatic game but it won't happen consistently in soloq haha, of course this positioning isn't flawless but it's the most consistent in soloq.
For where to stand level 1 is that spot still optimal when playing on Blue side?
Is the level one positioning only for red side? If you’re on blue side couldn’t they hook you from tri?
How do you bwipo if the enemy laner walks with the wave lvl 1?
Is there any way to counter the bwipo?? Just miss the XP and play back?
Yo - could you do a video on macro? I've been having games where 1) If I win lane, I just roam and try to help my team but lose mostly because even if the gank goes well, then I will just have 5cs/min instead of 8cs/min minimum. 2) If I win lane, I just die because I perma force fights and they are much more ahead than my laners or even me sometimes. I'm probably ditching the sidelane too much
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I know its late but is there a way to counter the bwipo?
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What do you think of Cho Gath's lvl 1 with E?, it seems pretty powerful ti me...
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I have a question to the Cheese strat: I dont see how Volibear, Fiora and Wukong win ? Do you need a specific skill of their kit or do you just need your mentioned runes + their stats to win Lvl 1 ?
Their kits are inherantly really broken level 1. For Wukong it's his Passive that makes him win all ins, for Fiora she has loads of auto resets and alots of damage through passive too, then volibear's W gives him one of the strongest all ins in the game as well alongside his passive.
Most champions just can't fight them if they know how to play their kits
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hey i have one question, im a wu main and im wondering who can win against wu 1v1 at lvl1?
Not many! I can't remember too many as I haven't mained Wu in a few months but I think Olaf does as an example. I think potentially Volibear with W start can too. But Wukong is really god tier level 1.
Really good video, But i got baited by your discord pings lol.
Wow I can do this on kayle against most toplaners :o
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Ok, one thing that bothered me was the minionpull. You should have let that clip finish to show the minion death since it still looked like the damage got spread out evenly, but expect that, nice.
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