Copam K-450 review (Copam mecha-membrane) (a.k.a. LogoStar KU-450)
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- Опубліковано 11 вер 2024
- Skip to 7:09 for a typing demonstration.
Well, I guess it's time to finally review this nightmare of a keyboard. Rarely have I had switches that felt this off-pissing and unnatural. Hope you enjoy my suffering, you sadistic feckers :P .
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The practice sentence was: "Hello my name is Thomas and I'm typing on a Copam K-450 right now. Holy shitballs, what a complete awful spectacle this thing is! Typing on it is just unbelievably bad and I can't stand it anymore!"
"Lovecraft would probably have described it as... _non-Euclidean_ "
love it mate
I think I've already got "eldritch horror" queued up for a future review xD .
Hahahaa that made me laugh!!!😝😝😝😝 And made me want to read again at the mountains of madness!!!!
Best channel for learning new innovative words to say to your boss
my kek meter is broken now
13 000 004 BC lmao
5:02
Great keyboard for being made in the miocene, and pretty remarkable that it's still new old stock! Also amazing that back then they dated with such a precision the coming of the messiah, it must have been the first prophecy about that!
I think Thomas is a time traveler.
You have to drink a bottle of cheap vodka and type in Cyrillic. Then you'll see that the key feel is perfectly calibrated.
Ah, so it's designed to detect Western spies
i realize Im kind of off topic but does anyone know of a good website to stream newly released tv shows online ?
you know it is a scam bot when 2 people post the same exact thing
* Sees mecha-membrane in title *
> This is gonna be a bad one
* Sees intro *
> Yep
I love the way you despise non-metric measurements.
You can tell the suffering Thomas experiences in the typing demo.
Well I had the "pleasure" of typing on those cheap mushy HP rubber domes you find in offices. You know the one.
He calls it an HP piece of rubbish.
This keyboard somehow seems worse just for the fucking NOISE it makes during typing.
Underrated YT channel uhhhh
@5:29 Helvetica indeed I agree, best looking font on Keyboards. Being the one on the Model M, it must have created a standard of clean, simple, legible, understated font on keyboards that became a reference. Most gaming keyboards, quite many keyboards in general even, look horrible just because of their weird annoying fonts
thanks for this review. I always wanted to hear your review about this keyboard when I first saw it on your 'worst switches of all time' video. not only because the switch (especially when you compare it to ornata), but also the keycaps looks gorgeous!
The IBM Model M is the OG mecha-membrane.
it buckles
ForessTube YT uses a membrane too
@@sampeterson6538 i know, but it still buckles
ForessTube YT true true
People use the word membrane when they mean rubber dome
6:26 How the heck do you do such a smooth transition between accents while keeping your voice even?
With practice xD .
Well, at least we now know what two robots engaged in coitus sounds like...
Hahaahhaha!!!
I don't like scratchy and I don't like squishy.
K-450: why not both?
You, my friend, are most definitely a creative curser.
I have been waiting for this.
My body is ready!
slovakia doesn't use cyrillic, that's looks like a classic russian layout
edit:screw me, that could be in rusyn, which actually is used in parts of slovakia (main difference being the "Ё" letter), didn't know it was ever used as a keyboard layout, tho
letters are from russian alphabet
www.lexilogos.com/keyboard/russian.htm
that's a russian layot with big enter and left shift
It's a non-standard Russian typewriter-style layout from early 90s.
@@maidpretty what kind of was "standard" russian keyboard layout for example then? wich were more popular? Are you russian? do You know?
@@Mboy556 upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/60/KB_Russian.svg
So its like that scratchy soviet hall effect keyboard? That being:
high(?) durability, but questionable feel.
Seems to be a soviet specialty, make it super durable and everything else is inconsequential.
IMO this keyboard was made after the USSR collapse, because the AT keyboards with 101/102 keys were common in the 90s
I remember using a REALLY bad keyboard a few times when I was younger. This sounds like the same kind of key feel I recall that keyboard having. Super short travel, clicky, but with the worst bottom out feeling you could possibly imagine. I think it was also iso with a 1u backspace (which is pretty weird in the USA). It was as thoroughly displeasing of a typing experience as I think I've ever had, barring an office copy machine with a built in keyboard that's just not even worth thinking about.
7:10 Oh yeah, I recognize that ungodly sound...... my fingers are having flashbacks T_T
Sounds like you had a chicony board with mitsumi mini switches. God awful.
@@rich1051414 It was in a computer lab at school or something, and I avoided it like the plague when given the chance
@@voodoolilium I know this is an old comment, but it sounds like it might've been one of these:
ua-cam.com/video/Be2UYQrCOM4/v-deo.html
@@JackOfHarts96 Yeah, it's definitely a high possibility. Sounds about right, and I think it might have had a 1u backspace, but I can't be positive. Also, god I hate 1u backspaces.
_Podophile_ had me LOL'ing - watching the video would be worth it for this neologism alone... xD
(It's from the same greek root as octopus, plural "octopodes", for those who wonder - and I guess it would translate to foot-fetishists :)
Lovecraft obviously knew nothing about physics or mathematics, which makes his works (and your reference) partly hilarious.
This indescribable *thing* even sounds horrendous and other-worldly; mushy, ear-piercing and inconsistent.
Beautiful keycaps though.
PS. Thanks for making my morning.
Thank you! I did Ancient Greek and Latin in school, so yeah, making neologisms is pretty easy for me xD .
Chyrosran22, sir, you're -a gentleman and a scholar- a poet and a nerd, and I'm glad to see your natural talent is not wasted!
yeah but octopodes is an antiquated and pedantic plural of octopus. maybe a better example would be referring to the order of octopodes or the class of cephalopodes.
I'm not a matematician, nor did I read any of Lovecraft's works or their adaptations apart from an anime from 2012 which I'm sure doesn't count. But I have read an article made by the developers of HyperRogue - videogame and engine with various non-euclidean geometries and the conclusion of this article is that the description of weird stuff that happens in R'Lyeh in "The Call of Kthulhu" is a pretty accurate description of what it would be like if a human had suddenly appeared in a world with hyperbolic geometry. Hyperbolic geometry is non-euclidean too and it's remarkable that Lovecraft had described it like this long before computer graphics and videogames like Hyperbolica
Thomas: The typing feel is...
Me: *Breaths in*
In unison: HHHHHIIIIDEOUSSS
I actually just restored one of those - from being REALLY dirty and full of garbage inside, but not worn though. In my opinion it is not as bad as you describe it (I've seen far worse than that) but those swiches really feel weird - like being a little off in every way from what the user may expect. And both Shifts are getting stuck if you won't press them in a place where the switch is - but it may be a result of a slight wear. Ona a plus side it has a AT/XT switch and XT compatible keyboards are not easy to find in my vicinity.
Best regards from Poland
Best channel for learning proper measurements
Pretty good for a keyboard built by dinosaurs.
Actually I am from Slovakia and I prefer QUERTY with ISO layout but also Big Enter and small backspace key, even here many ISO layouts are QUERTY nowadays. I ha have uRage Exodus 800 SK/CZ layout with ISO Enter and big left shift, also Genesis Thor 300 RGB with same ISO layout as Exodus 800 but only US layout. uRage Exodus 800 is Outemu blue and Genesis Thor 300 is brown Outemu. Love both, solid quality about 50 Euros each. And yeah, we are not using Cyrillic.
*WANING*
**Put volume up**
FarhanAxiq xD
Another WANING video
OK, you got me good with the Imperial-bashing this time. Darn it my neck's injured don't make me buckle over like that. It hurts.
This is a classic Russian layout.
Looks like this keyboard was shipped with LogoStar LS 286/16 desktops as I have found 2 selling advertisements in Russia and Ukraine.
Interesting, thank you!
@@Chyrosran22 it's just non-standard russian layout.
In Russia many people like this layout, but it's hard to find such keyboards.
zowie.benq.com/ru-ru/product/keyboard/keyboard/celeritas-ii.html
My dude with the Lovecraft reference! I knew I liked you for more reasons than your complete knowledge of keyboard... things and your deep voice.
I don't think anyone who's into linguistics can NOT like Lovecraft xD .
I love this man's hate for imperial units
I have a "mecha-membrane" keyboard from Cooler Master. I've always wondered what your review of it would be like.
I'd buy it for the keycaps, then replace the guts with an MX pcb.
14 dollars for some free mx caps that are decent quality would really be good
...yeh those caps are gorgeous...
Finally! A typing test where you don't use your pointer finger for the space bar!
What if I just have a thing for feet, Tom?
Hey man, if you derive gratification from rubbing Imperial measuring sticks all over yourself, who am I to judge? ;D
@@Chyrosran22 **six and a half inches**
When is the Tai-Hao clicker coming?
Podophile is a Greek word. However we call then patusakias, which sounds a lot funnier
I'm from Slovakia, too. I have this alps clone with cyrilic key caps from the late 80s with the same QWERTY layout. I think it's an APC or something. It's absolutely terrible (binding sticky feel) but the key caps are quite beautiful the same except it's got even more colorful sub-legends on it and a thicker doubleshot body. You can have it. Haha.
You can really see the "switches" actively slowing down your typing XD
So much thought and engineering was put to make these switches to be the worst, it's kind of admirable.
Indeed, I'm not sure what I'd to to the design to make it worse tbh xD .
At least this keyboard is more consistently sounding keys when compared to razer's "mecha-membrane"
I always think you can hear an approximation of what key feel will be like, and thus far in my experience this has proven true.
This sounds utterly awful.
*_HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHIIIIIIIIIDEOUS!!!!_*
I can feel the agony whenever you had to slam that spacebar during the typing test
*I do really like those key caps*
@7:15 Oh man that space bar sounds like a shotgun :P
Yes, it's exceedingly loud xD .
Raul Saavedra music to my ears
I wonder what specifically in the design of those switches that makes them feel so bad. If I had to guess, there's probably quite a bit of friction between the pusher and the slider. The disconnect between the keyfeel and click is probably because of the sprung pusher starting to push against the membrane which would suddenly change the weighting of the travel, and so likely produces its own "tactile" event apart from the one produced by the click leaf. Past that point, the rest of the post-actuation travel is determined by the spring and pusher, the same way that past a certain point a foam and foil switch's travel is determined by the foam. If this is the case, maybe a bit of lube between the pusher and slider would improve it slightly?
3:51 yes but also means that someone had to use this keyboard long enough to be considered dirty or used and didn’t just
A. Stopped using it
B. Threw it in the bin
HHHHHHHHHHHHIDEOUS
Looks like I've had a keyboard with non-clicky version of those switches. Elema teletypewriter, have you heard about it?
No, that sounds completely foreign to me. Note that there are a lot of unrelated designs that LOOK like this on the outside, though.
@@Chyrosran22 please check out this toot. I've added few pictures of Elema switch.
lor.sh/@Camel/102560746164611105
so chyros, what design flaws do you see that impact the key feel?
The interesting part is that the Cyrillic layout doesn't correspond to any Russian layouts in existence.
Actually, MS Windows have a pre-installed layout called "Русский Машинопись", which is supposed to more closely resemble the layout of old soviet typewriters. And it's quite similar to layout that is printed on this unit, though those two still have big differences. I don't know much about the history of typing in Russia, but maybe there were many slightly different layouts for typewriters and when computers started to spread - different computer keyboards were getting different layouts too as a result
Ehmm, I thought it was not possible, but your demonstration shows the Copam is even worse than my Compaq foam and foil keyboard.
Say what you want, but the noise is quite nice
But it feels like shit
Get Acer switches
Same sound, but feel infinitely better
This would be a good daily driver
Thanks, learned a new milk-related swear word! ;)
I come here for keyboard reviews and vocabulary lessons >__
This is cruel and unusual.
4:07 AMONG US??!?!?!?!?!??! SUS THAT'S A BIT SUSSY SUS SUS SUS SUS SUS
Thomas, I think you need a rest and review something that isn't as turdy as mecha-membrane like this board.
How about the new Holy Panda switch from drop.com (previously massdrop)?
Someone offered to send me a bunch but it hasn't transpired yet.
@@Chyrosran22 thanks for replying. I really want a replacement for my Box Switches cause I would like to buy custom keycaps but I'm too afraid they'll get streched
For the love of God... The sound is really heart wrenching. Just keep it in the closet, Tom!
I keep it in an adamantium safe of which I threw away the combination!
Man. How bad are the tolerances on that thing? It sounds so loose and rattle-y
WANING
I have actually talked with owner of Logo Star. At least his wife (I think he passed away) I got three of them for 30 with shipping since she was getting rid of inventory. And you are right Slovak keyuboards have QWERTZ and dont use Cyrilic
Interesting, do you know anything more about the company? I could find zilch on it xD .
@@Chyrosran22 Not much. From email conversation I can deduce that it was primarily run by husband of the widow which was selling all stock in 2014. As a side note I noticed that you like whisky. Have you ever tried Monkey Shoulder? Its lovely blend highly recommended.
@@Nagashadow9669 yeah, I've tried that one; wasn't bad. But I'm very much an Islay person myself :D .
Yeah but that is one *slick* looking ABS double shot cyrillic set in MX mount. I need these for an NCR80. Or any cherry MX board tbh these are hot
they.. they are MX mount right??? OwO
I do like how the keycaps look though
I mean sure imperial is non standard, but atleast they arent using archons like russia was
I would absolutely buy the shit out of Fuckness Factor™ merch. Just sayin’.
There may or may not be some in development!
I'd have one just because of how cool it looks, but that space bar sounds really wrong.
Those caps are beautiful though, too bad it has that weird ANSI/ISO hybrid layout. We're it strictly ANSI I'd be scouring eBay for one.
Describe the scratchy feel using this keyboard
I almost want to buy one of these things, out of morbid curiosity. Wow.
What was the practice sentence? I can imagine it was something literally angry.
I've updated the description :) .
i feel like i would get one of these if the switches weren't so diabolical. i mean, the keyboard itself and the keycaps look great and the build is pretty good. but the switches seem pretty dreadful unfortunately :(
Those keycaps for $ 40, it was worth it. I loved them
No $14! :D
Congratulations you played yourself
“For those who want to keep their vocabulary small as possible”
Sooo pretty much you just said, if you wanna be dumb af leave the video
And the keyboard sound is actually pretty Gucci imo
During the typing demonstration, he almost sounds like he's stomping on the keyboard with his fingers.
*Start the video with a warning
Aw shit, here we go again......
Lovecraft mountains of madness
Wait... I like cherry mx browns
Mason McPeek You must be new to this channel.
XalphYT Lmao a bit
If you try other switches, you will never come back to browns. But as a first mechanical switch without previous experience, they are good enough
MX Browns comment made me feel personally attacked
acer switches: laughing in the distance
I feel like if he had a room mate that started using that keyboard regularly, he would probably kill him and watch a few videos on taxidermy.
Urgh, that spacebar sound is just painful 😖
Speaking of the worst list…wasn't there also this MEI switch thing you haven't reviewed yet? Do it, you know you can't hide…
Yes, that'll be done at some point as well.... xD
You know what, I just pulled them out for a test ride, typing on them right now. They are SO MUCH WORSE than even that Copam monstrosity, it's unbelievable! I've been suing it for less than five minutes and already both my forearms are hurting Oo .
2:58 Why should Jesus touchtype with a KB-101A?
Because Jesus has the best taste in keyboards! :D
It has pretty nice russian font there which is kinda rare for cyrrilic keyboards 🙂
I'd take that board for the caps if u don't like it just send it over bro
Heh... I see WANING ... and click like :-)
Those keycaps are quite nice though.
That's the only good thing
There will be an idiot selling one of these on ebay for $100 and calling it an amazing deal.
Thanks, I want it
Might as well get the MEI switch review out of the way while you're down in the dumps from this atrocity, no?
No man, I need time to recover xD .
k v e r r t z
The Cyrillic font on this keyboard is atrocious. It looks as if somebody saw Cyrillic letters for the first time and tried to reproduce them by combining random elements of Latin characters.
Thomas should Do a Leopold Keyboard
he did
The only keyboard that sounds when typing like playing with legos.
4:19 ¥1,800 (just coins)
i like keycaps