I just discovered your channel when looking for information about the Gospel of Thomas and I immediately subscribed. I´m not a religious person and I don´t even believe in God but I have always had a huge fascination for religions to the point that I studied a bit of Aramaic at uni. Thank you for your channel, is amazing! Looking forward to more amazing videos.
I remember seeing some of the dead sea scrolls at the Jordan Museum in Amman. BTW I recommend you make a trip there, even though it might not exactly be in your AOE. Petra is truly astonishing, even to laypersons like myself, and that place alone is more than enough reason to visit. In addition, there are local Bedouin legends about Moses (and even Pharaoh) in the area and Aaron's (supposed) tomb is located there
Petra is amazing & beautiful! I got to visit just before Covid started. Jordan is a wonderful country. Have you been to the ruins at Jerash? I really enjoyed that too! It was the first & only Greco-Roman site I’ve visited, & I’d love to visit more sites someday.
This is off topic but I was curious about Zoroastrianism, I always hear people say that it influenced later Judaism and Christianity, but I never heard of the how or the why of why this is the case. Do you know why some people speculate this? It would be interesting to learn more about the relationship between Judaism and the other ancient religions of it day.
+Francis L. Some probably think of that because they associate the Pharisee Jews mentioned in the Bible to Persians who is said to have hijacked the Hebrew Jews and that they have a distant relation to the Roman Empire. So the Kabalah originates from the Persians. Some even go as to say that royalty of Persians immigrated to Italy, known there as Etruscans, then transitioned to Romans, then transitioned to Roman Catholic Church by hijacking the true Christians. So what some are saying is that this is the reason why Pharisee Jews could request the Romans to crucify/execute Jesus of Nazareth, they already had a relation. More are saying they are related to the Jews that went to Khazaria. But I think overall it is just junk conspiracy theory.
Dualism. Early Judaism lacked a clear God/Good/Light/Knowledge vs Satan/Evil/Dark/Ignorance mentality which is sort of the cornerstone of Mazdean religion.
Zoroastrianism was the official religion of the Persian empire which liberated the Jews from Babylonian captivity, and it was for a very long time the largest religion in the world. It inevitably influenced countless religious beliefs in the Middle East and Mediterranean. Zoroastrianism introduced all of these concepts into religious thought: -Good vs. evil dualism, with angelic-like good deities (ahura) vs. demon-like evil deities (daiva) -Free will and moral responsibility -Reward & Punishment in an afterlife -Prophecies of an end time in which the righteous and the wicked are judged. -A religious system originating from a single founder (Zoroaster, a.k.a. Zarathustra) -And finally, reverence for a singular god known as Ahura Mazda. Though in this case, it's more akin to henotheism (in which other gods exist, but only one deserves worship) rather than monotheism (in which only one god exists).
Good for you and peace from the holy land. My profile pic is from the qumran as a archaeologist I can vouch you're knowledge is on par keep up the good work and God bless you
Thank you for a very informative video. Community of scribes like that would never exist without strong outside support. These parchments are made of cow skin. These parchments were delivered in huge numbers from outside. The completed scrolls were sent back to the civilization. Scrolls of not such good qualities were buried at caves. Obviously the community of scribes lived in a remote area so they could focus on copying. They were selected from all over the land to come to the remote area to do the holly work. They were supplied food, clothing and other supplies from outside. These who underperformed were sent back to Judea.
Herodotus said ancient Egyptians detested the pig for religious reasons and would not touch one and only lower level Egyptians could touch a pig and then they had to wash or stay away
This might be a broad question but, what is your opinion on the relation of early Christianity and psychedelic substances? Specifically the depictions of what seem to be mushrooms in many European cathedrals.
Like most social constructs, very few ruling class individuals would have been able to understand the significance of the special mushroom while the rest were told it was the devils fungus. This allowed the select few to further their own knowledge in pursuit of wealth. Same thing happens today except with big pharma, same thing happened with South American tribes, same thing happened in Africa...anyways; don’t believe shit officials say about a psychedelic substances. Do your own research and experimentations, safely of couse
Drinking wine was good, but getting drunk was not, so anything that makes you lose control was a sin, this would include psychedelic substances, That is why Aaron's sons when they get drunk and put incense and fire into their censers and approached the Tabernacle were consumed by fire from God., Their sin lead to their destruction. So early Christians would not have used any mind altering substances, because that in its self is a sin and we are told to have self control., The Bible talks a lot about wine in positive terms, but ALWAYS condemned Drunks and being drunk. As for the art that appears to you as mushrooms , I would say have you ever seen how a child draws a tree, it can look a lot like a mushroom, I would say that untrained artist or one just starting could/would draw a tree like that.
I think complimentary video about the Sicarii (not to be confused with the Sikrikim which I almost did) would be great. Since they are most probably the ones who lived there, and their interesting way of life would be a nice addition. *EDIT:* ignore this I totally mixed them up with the Essenes. Though the Sicarii would be an interesting topic. Did you know that the Shrine of the Book at the Israel Museum that houses the scrolls is designed to reference the "war of the sons of light with the sons of darkness"?
Ah good question and a big oversight on my part. They were active in the 1st century BCE and 1st century CE. Most archaeologists assume they were dispersed by the Romans during the 70s CE (sack of Jerusalem etc.)
@@pursuingpeas8236 Unfortunately not. The Romans under general Titus sacked Jerusalem in 70AD when the Jews rebelled. As part of the effort to prevent such a rebellion from happening again the removed the Jews from Israel, then Judea as a whole. This included the Essens in Qumran.
If they found 900 scroll, then scholars' definition of "scroll" is markedly different than my definition of scroll. (They look like fragments, not scrolls.)
Wild speculation : Maybe it’s a religious pilgrimages destination site, only for specific people like priests. Where you can meditate and separate yourself from world.and study scriptures. Just like temples in Nepal. Maybe..
I just had those idea after see the stairs separation in the baths. I don’t think small recluse community will need that. Maybe they built it to facilitate pilgrims and visitor just like what Saudi Govt did in Mecca.
@@makhulu3718 One of the Game Grumps. He and his father visited the caves a while back when he was a little kid. And as kids say dumb stuff he tried to say something like "Ya, I dug those caves all by myself!" ~Daniel Leah Avidan
Australian scholar the late Dr Barbara Thiering developed a scientific and therefore testable theory around the scrolls, Qumran and the origins of Christianity as a result of several years of in depth research. Her book the "the Qumran origins of the Christian church" covers it or the more readable books e.g. "Jesus the man", etc. From my perspective the theory explained a lot if not everything albeit with inevitable gaps in the knowledge. For me the rest of the research I come across is interesting and has merit but always seems to fail to bring together a cogent scientific theory. Thanks for the post though it is very interesting. Wish is could afford to visit Qumran and see for myself.
Nearby graves have female skeletons. Though some of the scrolls suggest they were celibate. So it’s a mystery, though my hunch from the archaeology is that women lived there.
We still have people who behave like that today. We should study them and compare how current groups behave to what the scroll keepers say in the scrolls about the way they behaved. In the US there are religious preppers in off grid communities planning for end of times. In the Middle East it’s the caliphate-longing zealot groups. There are women in both groups, but they are bred from within the groups or taken captive because it’s too hard to convince free women to live a hardscrabble life with a stupid delusional man in permanent rebellion against secular society and also convince her that all her time must be spent toward pushing out babies or preparing for the end of times so the guys can write volumes of gobeldygook rules in a nice cool cave or in our times go target practicing and making you tube videos about themselves and their missions. Women have to be conditioned from childhood or coerced into that being their life and then there’s dealing with having them run away from the group and tell on them.
As many texts are from the Bible, they were certainly copying older material. With regard to the more contemporary and sectarian material (like the Community Rule), they may have been written down in Qumran, or at least a similar community.
What is your opinion of Norman Golb's theory that the scrolls were mainly from the Jerusalem library and hid in the caves at the time of the fall of Jerusalem? And that Qumran was used as a military base? Thanks.
hey if anyone can help me out with something. where are some good sources to find the books of the bible in chronological order, instead of canonical/thematic order? the sources i try to find always put job first, and that seems to be based on a canon historical order, rather than literally which parts of the bible proceed after the other. as in the times they would have been written, like which books were the oldest to most recent.
I have another video vetting the Essene hypothesis. I think it’s likely, but not a settled fact. So I usually refer to them as “the community.” Which is what the sect called themselves.
It's meaning was Kumaran hills that's deformed to Qumran Kumaran means Lord murugan of Hinduism he is very ancient that he is called in different names in different civilization few examples are star of David, Goddess Morrigan of celtic, murugan worshipped in Africa. Yazidi of Syria worship Lord murugan and many more, Peru named Sweet potato in his name as Kumara Marduk of sumeria is Murugan. Judaism uses his symbol everywhere
Some scholars have posited this theory, yes. Though as far as we know, John was a ascetic hermit. He probably knew of this community, but apparently he lived alone.
+ReligionForBreakfast What was John the Baptist's role in the Bible actually again? All I remember that he was some kind of legitimate priest of God and didn't visit the Second Temple as it is infiltrated by people who didn't have the same views as him when it comes to the holy scriptures. So I thought John the Baptist may have been a hermit but he had following as well. I think the Bible stated that from people who had the same views as him 2 followed Jesus. Jesus and John the Baptist had the same views when it comes to the scriptures. Could, I mean could, be possible that people who had the same views as him had collected many scriptures as possible from the temple and brought them to Qumran. Just guessing though.
The Gospels try to set him up as a prophet paving the road for Jesus. They both had a very apocalyptic message. Some scholars have theorized that Jesus started his career as a disciple of John, and that later Christians tried to flip the narrative in the Gospels...making John subordinate to Jesus (the famous baptism scene for example) instead of the other way around. Jesus, John, and the Qumran community all exhibit the popularity of apocalyptic thought during this time.
Well All Rabbis had followers and taught them the rules for doing so are in the Writings, and John could have had up to twenty two studies, which was the maximum number one man could teach, we do not know the number that he had but we know he sent at lest two to join Jesus's students and later sent two more to ask Jesus if he was the Messiah and got the response that the hungry are fed, the blind see and the lame walk, and was satisfied with that.
first they are cousins, and lily Mary told Elizabeth what the angel told her and because Elizabeth was faithful and knew what her husband had gone through in the Temple would have trained or seen to john's training, so John would have know about Jesus, even form his priestly training, John was of a Priestly line and thus a priest himself and would have been taught buy his father the torah and the prophets and would know have been taught that Jesus was the Messiah, by his father. A priest training his son to be a priest. This would likely not allow John to be a Essene as this would take at lest eighteen years in training, to quote scripture as well as John does. By the way the Jewish writings have a list that tells how long it takes to train a young man in the knowledge of the word, If i remember right it hakes form age 6 to age 12 to learn the basic laws and become a man, and form 12 to 16 to be able to assist teaching and to have authority to license new teachers would take another 5 years on top of that. at which time he would be 21 and to get advanced teaching would take until he was 25 or so.
Could the focus on Mikvahs be a link between the Essenes and John the Baptist? Could John have been a rouge Qumranian who wanted to syncretize Qumran-like teachings with Phariseeism? Could have Jesus been the opposite? Especially given the parallels in theology between the DSS and the Epistle to the Hebrew, it would seem that the author of the latter either was writing to a Qumran-like sect to convert them to early Christianity or was a member of a Qumran-like sect that converted and still had some old beliefs influence their Christology. Why would their be a link between the Early (Jerusalem) Church and a Qumran-Like sect? John's baptism coming from a Qumran-like attitude to Mikvah would be a valid hypothesis.
Also it would explain why the Tewahedo Church (a Christian Group) regard Jubilees as sacred scripture- it seems to be a work from a group with ties to Qumran (Though I have heard arguments that the text of Jubilees we have is a Qumranic revision of a Pharisee work, based on internal evidence and the apparent use of a similiar work by a medieval Rabbi who would have been a strict follower of the Pharisees- however the fact that the Tewahedo text is the Qumranic version proves my point) and it has been found in fragments at Qumran- if they was no link, why would a Christian group have accepted a Qumranic work as scripture, with the added bonus that Enoch, which seems to have links to Qumranic Theology is quoted by Jude and is part of the Tewahedo Canon.
Are you sure they only bathed daily? There are still people today who work at writing Holy Scripture or Writing Icons who must go thru elaborate rituals prior to beginning a work. One of which is prolly washing. Could it be that the washing may have been necessary before writing God's Name or before writing each book? In which case they might have had to do it several times a day. Possibly in addition to daily rituals just to remain "Clean" enuf to qualify for doing that work in the first place. I suspect this was so.
These Essenes tried to redefine judaism. The lack of a messiah figure pushed them to do something collective like this. John the Baptist belonged to this cult. They were out to create a paradise after the apocalypse ended, neither of which ever happened.
That John the Baptist was part of this group is unlikely due to the fact that John's father was a priest and served at the temple and that made John a priest as well, and Essenes had a oath that cursed temple priest, so john would have had to curse his father, and himself, so this is unlikely. Two all of the requirements of the Messiah are listed in the bible and were known, even to his birth in Bethlehem.
Are you familiar with John the Baptist who is credited with going there, as did Saul of Tarsus and possibly Yeshua Ben Joseph - David- Elohim. It seems that his is likely the location where the Valley would be made straight. The Essenes had begun to scribe out the Isaiah scroll. The location is not far from Nazareth where Yesuha was from and it seems conceivable he went there too before his ministry...to read what had been written about him. Have you read the Robert Feather book- The secret initiation of Jesus at Qumran. Pinchas Lapide also documented the time that Paul was at Qumran and the way that the Jewish ritual of cleansing was turned into Baptism for redemption of Sins by John the Baptist...cousin of Jesus? I am often struck by the lack of realization that the Jerusalem leadership of the faith was largely guided by Talmudic influence while in Qumran the tendency was to look backwards to Moses and even Esseneic practice. Jesus differences with Talmudic influence were at the very core of his arguments. It seems clear he did not square well with the adding on an revisionism of the law. The fact that Rabbi's began to make believers have to go through many steps to be oked for belief in Adonoi. His speeches are full such clear arguments in this regard. It is clear he was a threat to rabbinical control. Since the Roman's controlled the Jewish political leadership and the Rabbi's the temple, such a reform would have amounted to a threat. Most of these arguments are lost on Christians and many Jews who do not realize vividly the diversity of Jewish faith during the time of the 2nd temple. What do you think?
This is so interesting! A group of Jewish apocalyptic doomsday preppers living in the desert and writing hundreds of scrolls about their mission- that’s a historical fiction novel waiting to happen
John split heads with jesus in the bible before his execution he literally lived like an essence was only 8 miles from qumran and was someone who wanted a messiah kingship, he was an essene, or a representative of them were else did essenes get there fresh new members, John actually had no idea about jesuses intentions, he didn't even understand who jesus was. John 1:29 [29]The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world. Luke 7:19 Then: [19]And John calling unto him two of his disciples sent them to Jesus, saying, Art thou he that should come? or look we for another? Dont believe it, whatcha this. Luke 7:26-27 [26]But what went ye out for to see? A prophet? Yea, I say unto you, and much more than a prophet. [27]This is he, of whom it is written, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee. The jesus insults him, yes this is an insult not praise: Luke 7:28 [28]For I say unto you, Among those that are born of women there is not a greater prophet than John the Baptist: but he that is least in the kingdom of God is greater than he. Further proof is jesus stated john was Elijah several times: Matthew 11:13-15 [13]For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John. [14]And if ye will receive it, this is Elias, which was for to come. [15]He that hath ears to hear, let him hear. But reject Elijah's spirit in affiliation with his own: Luke 9:54-56 [54]And when his disciples James and John saw this, they said, Lord, wilt thou that we command fire to come down from heaven, and consume them, even as Elias did? [55]But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of. [56]For the Son of man is not come to destroy men's lives, but to save them. And they went to another village. They took this verse out of the NIV and many other editions of the bible, but it is in the kjv and LXX and Vulgate still, wolves are everywhere. So this means John was a reincarnation of Elijah( Jesus affirms reincarnation). But is not affiliated with the holy spirit according to jesus: Mark 3:23-29 [23]And he called them unto him, and said unto them in parables, How can Satan cast out Satan? [24]And if a kingdom be divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand. [25]And if a house be divided against itself, that house cannot stand. [26]And if Satan rise up against himself, and be divided, he cannot stand, but hath an end. [27]No man can enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he will first bind the strong man; and then he will spoil his house. [28]Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme: [29]But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation: , This means Elijah's spirit is the same spirit that took the first born of Egypt called Hoshek, the destroyer, who is either satan himself or the Angel Abbadon in the book of revelation, Elijah's power is the same exact power of the false prophet in revelation: Revelation 13:12-14 [12]And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed. [13]And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men, [14]And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live. Now elijah: 2 Kings 1:10-12 [10]And Elijah answered and said to the captain of fifty, If I be a man of God, then let fire come down from heaven, and consume thee and thy fifty. And there came down fire from heaven, and consumed him and his fifty. [11]Again also he sent unto him another captain of fifty with his fifty. And he answered and said unto him, O man of God, thus hath the king said, Come down quickly. [12]And Elijah answered and said unto them, If I be a man of God, let fire come down from heaven, and consume thee and thy fifty. And the fire of God came down from heaven, and consumed him and his fifty. Some more: Elijah ascended at Jericho same place jesus got tempted by satan. Elijah recreated the altar and caused fire to come upon it from heaven causing the execution of all ball worshipers by his hand and the common people. Elisha usedElijah's spirit for things: 2 Kings 2:23-24 [23]And he went up from thence unto Bethel: and as he was going up by the way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head. [24]And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the LORD. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare forty and two children of them. Here are the verses for elijah's actions: 1 Kings 18:31-32,36,38-39 [31]And Elijah took twelve stones, according to the number of the tribes of the sons of Jacob, unto whom the word of the LORD came, saying, Israel shall be thy name: [32]And with the stones he built an altar in the name of the LORD: and he made a trench about the altar, as great as would contain two measures of seed. [36]And it came to pass at the time of the offering of the evening sacrifice, that Elijah the prophet came near, and said, LORD God of Abraham, Isaac, and of Israel, let it be known this day that thou art God in Israel, and that I am thy servant, and that I have done all these things at thy word. [38]Then the fire of the LORD fell, and consumed the burnt sacrifice, and the wood, and the stones, and the dust, and licked up the water that was in the trench. [39]And when all the people saw it, they fell on their faces: and they said, The LORD, he is the God; the LORD, he is the God. 1 Kings 18:40 [40]And Elijah said unto them, Take the prophets of Baal; let not one of them escape. And they took them: and Elijah brought them down to the brook Kishon, and slew them there. THIS IS THE EXACT descriptionfrom revelation of the false prophet, these were man slaying prophets. My point: The devil can perform miracles, John was trying to set up a messianic regime that would untimely doom men before The Fathers salvation was revealed, John telling jesus to baptize him was just another test of jesuses power and intention. To further this Paul and the author of hebrews, seemed to draw a distinction from Sinai and god why, because Sinai was the covenant of the curse of bondadge, Hebrews 12:18-19,22-23 [18]For ye are not come unto the mount that might be touched, and that burned with fire, nor unto blackness, and darkness, and tempest, [19]And the sound of a trumpet, and the voice of words; which voice they that heard intreated that the word should not be spoken to them any more: [22]But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, [23]To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect. SINAI IS HOSHEK, HOSHEK IS THE DESTROYER, THE DESTROYER GIVE PLAGUES, SATAN PLAGUED JOB. Its further proof that The book of Job, is evil because it states God and satan work with eachother. Remember Gods house is not Divided in heaven.
man it's tough thinking about Israel and seeing the scrolls in their state of the art laboratory while the Israeli government is committing genocide. but of course, the land and people were there before zionism and they will still be there after zionism. hopefully scholars in the one-state post-apartheid equal palestinian isrseli nation can still study the scrolls in state of the art labs 100 years from now
@@ReligionForBreakfast likely the religious authorities of Jerusalem did not like them. Weren't they the Esseans? The mystics of their day? Religious authorities tend not to like mystics and mystical thinking.
Thanks for sharing your experiences. The description and visuals are great! Thanks for the video.
I just discovered your channel when looking for information about the Gospel of Thomas and I immediately subscribed. I´m not a religious person and I don´t even believe in God but I have always had a huge fascination for religions to the point that I studied a bit of Aramaic at uni. Thank you for your channel, is amazing! Looking forward to more amazing videos.
You make some great content. Thanks a million.
Had no idea their settlement was so well developed and structured. They seem to have been highly motivated.
Awesome video as usual, keep up the great work! I’d love to see a detailed video on the Septuagint and it’s manuscripts.
I remember seeing some of the dead sea scrolls at the Jordan Museum in Amman. BTW I recommend you make a trip there, even though it might not exactly be in your AOE. Petra is truly astonishing, even to laypersons like myself, and that place alone is more than enough reason to visit. In addition, there are local Bedouin legends about Moses (and even Pharaoh) in the area and Aaron's (supposed) tomb is located there
Petra is amazing & beautiful! I got to visit just before Covid started. Jordan is a wonderful country.
Have you been to the ruins at Jerash? I really enjoyed that too! It was the first & only Greco-Roman site I’ve visited, & I’d love to visit more sites someday.
Love your work brother
Thank you for a great piece. Superb summary and wonderful images. I always wanted to go....now, thanks to you, I have.
Excellent vid as always, any chance we could get something on Nag Hammadi?
This is off topic but I was curious about Zoroastrianism, I always hear people say that it influenced later Judaism and Christianity, but I never heard of the how or the why of why this is the case. Do you know why some people speculate this? It would be interesting to learn more about the relationship between Judaism and the other ancient religions of it day.
+Francis L.
Some probably think of that because they associate the Pharisee Jews mentioned in the Bible to Persians who is said to have hijacked the Hebrew Jews and that they have a distant relation to the Roman Empire. So the Kabalah originates from the Persians. Some even go as to say that royalty of Persians immigrated to Italy, known there as Etruscans, then transitioned to Romans, then transitioned to Roman Catholic Church by hijacking the true Christians.
So what some are saying is that this is the reason why Pharisee Jews could request the Romans to crucify/execute Jesus of Nazareth, they already had a relation. More are saying they are related to the Jews that went to Khazaria. But I think overall it is just junk conspiracy theory.
It's likely the other way around. Judaism, and in particular the Prophet Daniel, influenced Persian religion.
Dualism. Early Judaism lacked a clear God/Good/Light/Knowledge vs Satan/Evil/Dark/Ignorance mentality which is sort of the cornerstone of Mazdean religion.
Zoroastrianism was the official religion of the Persian empire which liberated the Jews from Babylonian captivity, and it was for a very long time the largest religion in the world. It inevitably influenced countless religious beliefs in the Middle East and Mediterranean. Zoroastrianism introduced all of these concepts into religious thought:
-Good vs. evil dualism, with angelic-like good deities (ahura) vs. demon-like evil deities (daiva)
-Free will and moral responsibility
-Reward & Punishment in an afterlife
-Prophecies of an end time in which the righteous and the wicked are judged.
-A religious system originating from a single founder (Zoroaster, a.k.a. Zarathustra)
-And finally, reverence for a singular god known as Ahura Mazda. Though in this case, it's more akin to henotheism (in which other gods exist, but only one deserves worship) rather than monotheism (in which only one god exists).
Yes, it is the third oldest religion after Hinduism and Jainism
Good for you and peace from the holy land. My profile pic is from the qumran as a archaeologist I can vouch you're knowledge is on par keep up the good work and God bless you
This war scroll sounds interesting.
My favorite Dead Sea scroll text. Super interesting.
+ReligionForBreakfast
This War Scroll, it is completely intact?
@@ReligionForBreakfast going to do a video on it?
Big chunks of it survive, but it is fragmentary. And yeah, I totally should do a video on it.
YES Please!!! Can’t wait!
How are there not a thousand more sites like this around the world?
Thank you for a very informative video. Community of scribes like that would never exist without strong outside support. These parchments are made of cow skin. These parchments were delivered in huge numbers from outside. The completed scrolls were sent back to the civilization. Scrolls of not such good qualities were buried at caves. Obviously the community of scribes lived in a remote area so they could focus on copying. They were selected from all over the land to come to the remote area to do the holly work. They were supplied food, clothing and other supplies from outside. These who underperformed were sent back to Judea.
Herodotus said ancient Egyptians detested the pig for religious reasons and would not touch one and only lower level Egyptians could touch a pig and then they had to wash or stay away
good video!
I would like so much that you made an Orphic religion video
I love Religion for Breakfast! Made me subscribe to the channel "Pagan Philosophy" too!
Oh, I'll ✔️ it out!
This might be a broad question but, what is your opinion on the relation of early Christianity and psychedelic substances? Specifically the depictions of what seem to be mushrooms in many European cathedrals.
Like most social constructs, very few ruling class individuals would have been able to understand the significance of the special mushroom while the rest were told it was the devils fungus. This allowed the select few to further their own knowledge in pursuit of wealth. Same thing happens today except with big pharma, same thing happened with South American tribes, same thing happened in Africa...anyways; don’t believe shit officials say about a psychedelic substances. Do your own research and experimentations, safely of couse
Drinking wine was good, but getting drunk was not, so anything that makes you lose control was a sin, this would include psychedelic substances, That is why Aaron's sons when they get drunk and put incense and fire into their censers and approached the Tabernacle were consumed by fire from God., Their sin lead to their destruction. So early Christians would not have used any mind altering substances, because that in its self is a sin and we are told to have self control., The Bible talks a lot about wine in positive terms, but ALWAYS condemned Drunks and being drunk. As for the art that appears to you as mushrooms , I would say have you ever seen how a child draws a tree, it can look a lot like a mushroom, I would say that untrained artist or one just starting could/would draw a tree like that.
Where he's basically heading with this question is: is there any validity to John Marco Allegro's theory that Jesus was a mushroom
Andrew kohl Well the answer is no.
Delgen1951 ok
I think complimentary video about the Sicarii (not to be confused with the Sikrikim which I almost did) would be great. Since they are most probably the ones who lived there, and their interesting way of life would be a nice addition. *EDIT:* ignore this I totally mixed them up with the Essenes. Though the Sicarii would be an interesting topic.
Did you know that the Shrine of the Book at the Israel Museum that houses the scrolls is designed to reference the "war of the sons of light with the sons of darkness"?
Maybe I missed it, but did you mention when this community might have been active? When they disappeared/dispersed and what brought it to an end?
Ah good question and a big oversight on my part. They were active in the 1st century BCE and 1st century CE. Most archaeologists assume they were dispersed by the Romans during the 70s CE (sack of Jerusalem etc.)
I wonder if their supposed celibacy contributed?
@@pursuingpeas8236 Unfortunately not. The Romans under general Titus sacked Jerusalem in 70AD when the Jews rebelled. As part of the effort to prevent such a rebellion from happening again the removed the Jews from Israel, then Judea as a whole. This included the Essens in Qumran.
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So interesting man.
Would it have been possible to keep the baths sanitary with a large amount of salt or something similar?
Thanks that's great
How cool is that!
If they found 900 scroll, then scholars' definition of "scroll" is markedly different than my definition of scroll. (They look like fragments, not scrolls.)
Have any of the scrolls been scanned and put online?
Someone once told me that the Isaiah scroll was marked for burial due to errors. Do you know if there's any truth to that?
Nope it is the same as the copy that is in today's bible, and was written on a silver scroll.
Do the scrolls say anything about a giant purple robot?
Wild speculation : Maybe it’s a religious pilgrimages destination site, only for specific people like priests. Where you can meditate and separate yourself from world.and study scriptures. Just like temples in Nepal. Maybe..
I just had those idea after see the stairs separation in the baths. I don’t think small recluse community will need that. Maybe they built it to facilitate pilgrims and visitor just like what Saudi Govt did in Mecca.
Did you know that these caves were dug by Dan Avidan?
I'm so glad that this comment exists.
I understand this reference! :D
Who is dan Avidan?
@@makhulu3718 One of the Game Grumps. He and his father visited the caves a while back when he was a little kid. And as kids say dumb stuff he tried to say something like
"Ya, I dug those caves all by myself!" ~Daniel Leah Avidan
Australian scholar the late Dr Barbara Thiering developed a scientific and therefore testable theory around the scrolls, Qumran and the origins of Christianity as a result of several years of in depth research. Her book the "the Qumran origins of the Christian church" covers it or the more readable books e.g. "Jesus the man", etc. From my perspective the theory explained a lot if not everything albeit with inevitable gaps in the knowledge. For me the rest of the research I come across is interesting and has merit but always seems to fail to bring together a cogent scientific theory. Thanks for the post though it is very interesting. Wish is could afford to visit Qumran and see for myself.
This is so amazing and there is still a lot of rethinking that needs to be done because of this. Thanks for your videos!
Would it be only men or co-ed community? Like a monastery
Nearby graves have female skeletons. Though some of the scrolls suggest they were celibate. So it’s a mystery, though my hunch from the archaeology is that women lived there.
We still have people who behave like that today. We should study them and compare how current groups behave to what the scroll keepers say in the scrolls about the way they behaved. In the US there are religious preppers in off grid communities planning for end of times. In the Middle East it’s the caliphate-longing zealot groups. There are women in both groups, but they are bred from within the groups or taken captive because it’s too hard to convince free women to live a hardscrabble life with a stupid delusional man in permanent rebellion against secular society and also convince her that all her time must be spent toward pushing out babies or preparing for the end of times so the guys can write volumes of gobeldygook rules in a nice cool cave or in our times go target practicing and making you tube videos about themselves and their missions. Women have to be conditioned from childhood or coerced into that being their life and then there’s dealing with having them run away from the group and tell on them.
Are you suggesting they we’re writing original work or that they were copying and therefore maintaining pre existing work or both?
As many texts are from the Bible, they were certainly copying older material. With regard to the more contemporary and sectarian material (like the Community Rule), they may have been written down in Qumran, or at least a similar community.
Can you make a video about sects (meaning,kinds,origins, etc.) ?
What is your opinion of Norman Golb's theory that the scrolls were mainly from the Jerusalem library and hid in the caves at the time of the fall of Jerusalem? And that Qumran was used as a military base? Thanks.
hey if anyone can help me out with something. where are some good sources to find the books of the bible in chronological order, instead of canonical/thematic order?
the sources i try to find always put job first, and that seems to be based on a canon historical order, rather than literally which parts of the bible proceed after the other. as in the times they would have been written, like which books were the oldest to most recent.
It is said that Qumran was built to reflect the shape of Jerusalem. Where is the Temple located in Qumran???
any reason you refrain from saying they were essenes ?
I have another video vetting the Essene hypothesis. I think it’s likely, but not a settled fact. So I usually refer to them as “the community.” Which is what the sect called themselves.
ReligionForBreakfast .... the one thing I heard that made me doubt it was the Essenes was the eating of meat.
It's meaning was Kumaran hills that's deformed to Qumran
Kumaran means Lord murugan of Hinduism he is very ancient that he is called in different names in different civilization few examples are star of David, Goddess Morrigan of celtic, murugan worshipped in Africa. Yazidi of Syria worship Lord murugan and many more, Peru named Sweet potato in his name as Kumara
Marduk of sumeria is Murugan. Judaism uses his symbol everywhere
It probably belongs to John the Baptist's community, who had the same views as Jesus.
John the Baptist lived in the wilderness.
Some scholars have posited this theory, yes. Though as far as we know, John was a ascetic hermit. He probably knew of this community, but apparently he lived alone.
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What was John the Baptist's role in the Bible actually again? All I remember that he was some kind of legitimate priest of God and didn't visit the Second Temple as it is infiltrated by people who didn't have the same views as him when it comes to the holy scriptures.
So I thought John the Baptist may have been a hermit but he had following as well. I think the Bible stated that from people who had the same views as him 2 followed Jesus. Jesus and John the Baptist had the same views when it comes to the scriptures.
Could, I mean could, be possible that people who had the same views as him had collected many scriptures as possible from the temple and brought them to Qumran. Just guessing though.
The Gospels try to set him up as a prophet paving the road for Jesus. They both had a very apocalyptic message. Some scholars have theorized that Jesus started his career as a disciple of John, and that later Christians tried to flip the narrative in the Gospels...making John subordinate to Jesus (the famous baptism scene for example) instead of the other way around. Jesus, John, and the Qumran community all exhibit the popularity of apocalyptic thought during this time.
Well All Rabbis had followers and taught them the rules for doing so are in the Writings, and John could have had up to twenty two studies, which was the maximum number one man could teach, we do not know the number that he had but we know he sent at lest two to join Jesus's students and later sent two more to ask Jesus if he was the Messiah and got the response that the hungry are fed, the blind see and the lame walk, and was satisfied with that.
first they are cousins, and lily Mary told Elizabeth what the angel told her and because Elizabeth was faithful and knew what her husband had gone through in the Temple would have trained or seen to john's training, so John would have know about Jesus, even form his priestly training, John was of a Priestly line and thus a priest himself and would have been taught buy his father the torah and the prophets and would know have been taught that Jesus was the Messiah, by his father. A priest training his son to be a priest.
This would likely not allow John to be a Essene as this would take at lest eighteen years in training, to quote scripture as well as John does. By the way the Jewish writings have a list that tells how long it takes to train a young man in the knowledge of the word, If i remember right it hakes form age 6 to age 12 to learn the basic laws and become a man, and form 12 to 16 to be able to assist teaching and to have authority to license new teachers would take another 5 years on top of that. at which time he would be 21 and to get advanced teaching would take until he was 25 or so.
Qumran is not to be confused with Cwmbran.
Could the focus on Mikvahs be a link between the Essenes and John the Baptist? Could John have been a rouge Qumranian who wanted to syncretize Qumran-like teachings with Phariseeism? Could have Jesus been the opposite? Especially given the parallels in theology between the DSS and the Epistle to the Hebrew, it would seem that the author of the latter either was writing to a Qumran-like sect to convert them to early Christianity or was a member of a Qumran-like sect that converted and still had some old beliefs influence their Christology. Why would their be a link between the Early (Jerusalem) Church and a Qumran-Like sect? John's baptism coming from a Qumran-like attitude to Mikvah would be a valid hypothesis.
Also it would explain why the Tewahedo Church (a Christian Group) regard Jubilees as sacred scripture- it seems to be a work from a group with ties to Qumran (Though I have heard arguments that the text of Jubilees we have is a Qumranic revision of a Pharisee work, based on internal evidence and the apparent use of a similiar work by a medieval Rabbi who would have been a strict follower of the Pharisees- however the fact that the Tewahedo text is the Qumranic version proves my point) and it has been found in fragments at Qumran- if they was no link, why would a Christian group have accepted a Qumranic work as scripture, with the added bonus that Enoch, which seems to have links to Qumranic Theology is quoted by Jude and is part of the Tewahedo Canon.
Also, the verse from the Hebrew Scriptures applied to John the Baptist in all four gospels is quoted extensively throughout the DSS.
Absolutely correct
Are you sure they only bathed daily?
There are still people today who work at writing Holy Scripture or Writing Icons who must go thru elaborate rituals prior to beginning a work. One of which is prolly washing. Could it be that the washing may have been necessary before writing God's Name or before writing each book? In which case they might have had to do it several times a day. Possibly in addition to daily rituals just to remain "Clean" enuf to qualify for doing that work in the first place.
I suspect this was so.
These Essenes tried to redefine judaism. The lack of a messiah figure pushed them to do something collective like this. John the Baptist belonged to this cult. They were out to create a paradise after the apocalypse ended, neither of which ever happened.
That John the Baptist was part of this group is unlikely due to the fact that John's father was a priest and served at the temple and that made John a priest as well, and Essenes had a oath that cursed temple priest, so john would have had to curse his father, and himself, so this is unlikely.
Two all of the requirements of the Messiah are listed in the bible and were known, even to his birth in Bethlehem.
Shoutout to New Testament at Bridgewater
7Q5 no es un fragmento del Evangelio de Marcos. Primera parte:
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Are you familiar with John the Baptist who is credited with going there, as did Saul of Tarsus and possibly Yeshua Ben Joseph - David- Elohim. It seems that his is likely the location where the Valley would be made straight. The Essenes had begun to scribe out the Isaiah scroll. The location is not far from Nazareth where Yesuha was from and it seems conceivable he went there too before his ministry...to read what had been written about him. Have you read the Robert Feather book- The secret initiation of Jesus at Qumran. Pinchas Lapide also documented the time that Paul was at Qumran and the way that the Jewish ritual of cleansing was turned into Baptism for redemption of Sins by John the Baptist...cousin of Jesus?
I am often struck by the lack of realization that the Jerusalem leadership of the faith was largely guided by Talmudic influence while in Qumran the tendency was to look backwards to Moses and even Esseneic practice. Jesus differences with Talmudic
influence were at the very core of his arguments. It seems clear he did not square well with the adding on an revisionism of the law. The fact that Rabbi's began to make believers have to go through many steps to be oked for belief in Adonoi. His speeches are full such clear arguments in this regard. It is clear he was a threat to rabbinical control. Since the Roman's controlled the Jewish political leadership and the Rabbi's the temple, such a reform would have amounted to a threat. Most of these arguments are lost on Christians and many Jews who do not realize vividly the diversity of Jewish faith during the time of the 2nd temple.
What do you think?
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This is so interesting! A group of Jewish apocalyptic doomsday preppers living in the desert and writing hundreds of scrolls about their mission- that’s a historical fiction novel waiting to happen
Great vid, but SLOW DOWN!
Were their beliefs any different from present day Jews or Christians?
They were the link between Jews and Christians
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That may be, but it would be interesting to know if they were the same as Jews during that time or if they were a different sect.
@@SI00000 different sect. Of note that they were questionably monotheistic as well
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Hopefully there will be more info about these scrolls.
@@SI00000 I hope so. It's an interedting part of my countrie's history
Hope these can help people make a more accurate translation of the Bible.
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Because the current haircut is so much better?
Qumran is the name of hindu god kumaran the lord murugan. 🙏
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I like the haircut
Are you ethnicly Jewish?
John split heads with jesus in the bible before his execution he literally lived like an essence was only 8 miles from qumran and was someone who wanted a messiah kingship, he was an essene, or a representative of them were else did essenes get there fresh new members, John actually had no idea about jesuses intentions, he didn't even understand who jesus was.
John 1:29
[29]The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
Luke 7:19
Then:
[19]And John calling unto him two of his disciples sent them to Jesus, saying, Art thou he that should come? or look we for another?
Dont believe it, whatcha this.
Luke 7:26-27
[26]But what went ye out for to see? A prophet? Yea, I say unto you, and much more than a prophet.
[27]This is he, of whom it is written, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee.
The jesus insults him, yes this is an insult not praise:
Luke 7:28
[28]For I say unto you, Among those that are born of women there is not a greater prophet than John the Baptist: but he that is least in the kingdom of God is greater than he.
Further proof is jesus stated john was Elijah several times:
Matthew 11:13-15
[13]For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.
[14]And if ye will receive it, this is Elias, which was for to come.
[15]He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.
But reject Elijah's spirit in affiliation with his own:
Luke 9:54-56
[54]And when his disciples James and John saw this, they said, Lord, wilt thou that we command fire to come down from heaven, and consume them, even as Elias did?
[55]But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of.
[56]For the Son of man is not come to destroy men's lives, but to save them. And they went to another village.
They took this verse out of the NIV and many other editions of the bible, but it is in the kjv and LXX and Vulgate still, wolves are everywhere.
So this means John was a reincarnation of Elijah( Jesus affirms reincarnation). But is not affiliated with the holy spirit according to jesus:
Mark 3:23-29
[23]And he called them unto him, and said unto them in parables, How can Satan cast out Satan?
[24]And if a kingdom be divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand.
[25]And if a house be divided against itself, that house cannot stand.
[26]And if Satan rise up against himself, and be divided, he cannot stand, but hath an end.
[27]No man can enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he will first bind the strong man; and then he will spoil his house.
[28]Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme:
[29]But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation: ,
This means Elijah's spirit is the same spirit that took the first born of Egypt called Hoshek, the destroyer, who is either satan himself or the Angel Abbadon in the book of revelation,
Elijah's power is the same exact power of the false prophet in revelation:
Revelation 13:12-14
[12]And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
[13]And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
[14]And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
Now elijah:
2 Kings 1:10-12
[10]And Elijah answered and said to the captain of fifty, If I be a man of God, then let fire come down from heaven, and consume thee and thy fifty. And there came down fire from heaven, and consumed him and his fifty.
[11]Again also he sent unto him another captain of fifty with his fifty. And he answered and said unto him, O man of God, thus hath the king said, Come down quickly.
[12]And Elijah answered and said unto them, If I be a man of God, let fire come down from heaven, and consume thee and thy fifty. And the fire of God came down from heaven, and consumed him and his fifty.
Some more:
Elijah ascended at Jericho same place jesus got tempted by satan.
Elijah recreated the altar and caused fire to come upon it from heaven causing the execution of all ball worshipers by his hand and the common people.
Elisha usedElijah's spirit for things:
2 Kings 2:23-24
[23]And he went up from thence unto Bethel: and as he was going up by the way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head.
[24]And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the LORD. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare forty and two children of them.
Here are the verses for elijah's actions:
1 Kings 18:31-32,36,38-39
[31]And Elijah took twelve stones, according to the number of the tribes of the sons of Jacob, unto whom the word of the LORD came, saying, Israel shall be thy name:
[32]And with the stones he built an altar in the name of the LORD: and he made a trench about the altar, as great as would contain two measures of seed.
[36]And it came to pass at the time of the offering of the evening sacrifice, that Elijah the prophet came near, and said, LORD God of Abraham, Isaac, and of Israel, let it be known this day that thou art God in Israel, and that I am thy servant, and that I have done all these things at thy word.
[38]Then the fire of the LORD fell, and consumed the burnt sacrifice, and the wood, and the stones, and the dust, and licked up the water that was in the trench.
[39]And when all the people saw it, they fell on their faces: and they said, The LORD, he is the God; the LORD, he is the God.
1 Kings 18:40
[40]And Elijah said unto them, Take the prophets of Baal; let not one of them escape. And they took them: and Elijah brought them down to the brook Kishon, and slew them there.
THIS IS THE EXACT descriptionfrom revelation of the false prophet, these were man slaying prophets.
My point: The devil can perform miracles, John was trying to set up a messianic regime that would untimely doom men before The Fathers salvation was revealed, John telling jesus to baptize him was just another test of jesuses power and intention.
To further this Paul and the author of hebrews, seemed to draw a distinction from Sinai and god why, because Sinai was the covenant of the curse of bondadge,
Hebrews 12:18-19,22-23
[18]For ye are not come unto the mount that might be touched, and that burned with fire, nor unto blackness, and darkness, and tempest,
[19]And the sound of a trumpet, and the voice of words; which voice they that heard intreated that the word should not be spoken to them any more:
[22]But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
[23]To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect.
SINAI IS HOSHEK, HOSHEK IS THE DESTROYER, THE DESTROYER GIVE PLAGUES, SATAN PLAGUED JOB.
Its further proof that The book of Job, is evil because it states God and satan work with eachother.
Remember Gods house is not Divided in heaven.
man it's tough thinking about Israel and seeing the scrolls in their state of the art laboratory while the Israeli government is committing genocide. but of course, the land and people were there before zionism and they will still be there after zionism. hopefully scholars in the one-state post-apartheid equal palestinian isrseli nation can still study the scrolls in state of the art labs 100 years from now
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Read Way of the Essenes. Its crazy!
I am so sick of the darkness = evil idea
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So they were like a cult? What we would call a cult today, I guess?
you think the scrolls were written by women?
I love the thought of this. I’ve also wondered this myself
bad hair days... hehehe
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if only there's such a thing as "time machine"...
This channel is a 3-year-long archive of my bad haircuts.
didn't they discover that these scrolles were fake?
No.
so i have little to do with this research but ehm... if it is a workshop why would it be in the middle of a desert? seems kind of useless
Pretty useful if you are trying to stay away from people though. They apparently didn't like the religious authorities of Jerusalem.
true. and i can imagine also for safety, if you are a cult in a strict theocracy amiright :p
haha makes sense... but like i said i dont know too much about this so mjah xD
@@ReligionForBreakfast likely the religious authorities of Jerusalem did not like them. Weren't they the Esseans? The mystics of their day? Religious authorities tend not to like mystics and mystical thinking.