What Did Gnostic Christians Believe?
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Primitive backward people making God the best they knew - using their King/Dictator as a template - "We must get down on our knees, swear loyalty & obedience, beg for his mercy and hope for a reward"
Little did they know that the so-called for more advanced, intelligent and educated of the 21st century would be blindly following these primitive ideas of theirs
If they could see us they would die laughing at our stupidity!
@@LarzGustafsson God made in the image of the local King/Dictator - the Dictator will reward us with the good life if we beg & grovel to him, obey him & praise him
That is how you got your job, right? your promotion?
And then there are those who got ahead by polishing their boss's shoes, praising him at every opportunity?
What do you call them?
@@ramaraksha01 bruh, I love how you are proud of your incomplete knowledge, and I appreciate how you state your incorrect analogies in such a convincing way,
Well, God is not like a leader or dictator,
According to the Bible, he is the creator of everything, not a ruler over everything,
He rules because He has created everything, not because He is a ruler,
And He doesn't want our praise, and see you can curse Him every day and every single moment of your life, it will not harm him even a bit,
Boss is not timeless, spaceless or immaterial, neither is a dictator,
God is not made,
If you are criticizing the Christian God, you don't assume things that are not proven by Christian texts, God is not made, so you are wrong in the very beginning,
And you can't explain so many things that exist or have happened, and this makes God the God of gaps,
Now lemme clear that as well, something that He is, is personal and intelligent, God is not filling gaps, but is the perfect explanation for the things you can't explain,
Thanks
P.S. Loving people is so primitive
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"A Gnostikoi is a nasty boi." -Epiphanius, 4th century C.E.
Gnostikoi is plural. Gnostikos is singular.
@@GlazeBattleBorn Fascinating. I know that. The joke is in English, so...
@@GlazeBattleBorn Good point. He also misspelled "boy," and his quote is almost certainly not real. OP must be very embarrassed.
@@CrownRock1 N
LOL
Wow, so "baby-eaters" is a really traditional insult to throw at one's ideological opponents. I feel so connected with my ancestors!
Eat gluten-free babies. They're less fattening.
@ckorpi88ify When you were a baby, were you gluten free? Or were you consumed before the glutens were chemically strained out?
@ckorpi88ify You're taking all this with more than the usual grain of salt, I see.
Was thinking the same thing. Sounds a lot like what Christians slandered the Jews with (and occasionally still do).
It's a traditional Christian insult... Which makes me wonder... If the pyschological trap of accusing others of what you yourself are doing is valid, then the christian church is dark indeed.
Gnostics primarily believed that each person should have their own experience of God (or anything else). Dogma and doctrine were held to be undesirable.
The same thing that Satanists believe
@@haydencapps According to the church that managed to elbow all the others out of the limelight, yes.
In reality, no.
@Being Human According to the church that managed to elbow all the others out of the limelight, yes.
In reality, no.
So Gnostics were truly good Americans!
Eww sounds too much free thinking, let's have none of that,
-Vatican and Orthodox Church.
That fedora in the background troubles me
Robot fedora
Lol, yeah didn't age well
What? He is like a religious Indiana Jones, looking for divine treasures.
It is gnostic fedora made from babies
snake approaching Eve to help her achieve enlightenment, "m'lady"
I think you forgot the most important thing about the Gnostics... "Gnosis" means experiential knowledge. The Gnostics were more interested in actual communion, or experience of God than a belief system or doctrine. This is why they were called Gnostics.
Narcissism of small differences? I don't buy that for a moment. They represented radically different approaches to spirituality. The orthodoxy which was more interested in hierarchy and control wouldn't abide with their anti authoritarian egalitarian, mystical neighbors, so they basically hunted them down and exterminated them.
Yeah unfortunately this video missed the number one most important aspect of Gnosticism and it's true defining attribute: complete and total distrust of authority. THAT is why there was no "Church of Gnosticism", why all the various writings emphasise different things and tell different stories, and most importantly that is why the were so hated and feared. They could see that the Church was cynical and corrupt to the core, focused only on temporal power and population control and had no interest in providing spiritual enlightenment to the masses. They saw that the only path to spiritual fulfillment was a personal and internal one, and people claiming to be religious authorities were just one more stumbling block in the road.
@@diegomacarthur271 The concept of spiritual growth is still not well known .. It seems to me that the church was about fear and control right from the get go.
P Heresy is that why Romans KILLED EVERYONE TO SPREAD CATHOLICISM?
The Romans used Catholicism as a noble lie/scam to save their dying empire in the 300s AD, they made up a religion based on the growing-popular cult of Jesus. Taking some things they believed, mixing it with Pagan beliefs. It became a tool for power, to funnel money and political influence from Northern Europe to Rome. Worked until Martin Luther had to come along and muck it all up. Heh.
Heresy literally means in Greek : " ABLE TO CHOOSE"
@Harry Waddington so, religion?
@Harry Waddington id even be as bold as to claim "all of the big world religions" ;)
Raven no, Catholicism is the true religion
@@Sicilianus Islam is the only true religion
@@avijeetification Pastafarianism is the true religion.
When one leaves out "compassion" one will never find the truth or understand they even found the truth. For only true honest compassion will know a liar.
Nicely said.👍
Be wary of those who claim to have the path to truth. Be even more wary of those who claim large groups of others are liars.
@@skaetur1 Only compassion will find your true self. Indeed be wary of those who claim any authority, even in the name of Man's God, where the child has named their Father. People do not understand, a relationship with God is very personal. If one ever finds God, they will be just that one and God, no others. Only the one can choose to be with the true Creator for the true Creator can not choose the one. No man, women,book or words will show you the way, for the corruption has beat you to the truth and thus corrupted any truth on this earth. Believe me if the true creator wanted authority, this world would be so much different and we would not be having this kind of conversation ever.
@@skaetur1 what about mainstream religions
@@1Infeqaul1 Excellent comment. Thank you for posting.
I find it doubtful you will read this message after years but thank you for a quick summary. I have been pouring over so much gnostic information I wanted someone to help it all make sense. Thank you so very much!
What is your conclusion? I can help .
& point you to some information that
will make it very clear if you still search.
@@epiphanyx3705 I'd like to know if the the nag hammadi is older than the bible
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If you want to work I can
point you to good teacher on
esoteric Christianity, anything
else is mere curiosity .
Gnosticism, to me, comes across as being at high risk of being a foundation for death cults.
Check out mythvison and gnostic informant
Thanks for a super informative video. "The Narcissism of Small Differences" was a great thing to highlight. Bless you!
Nostasism...
In fact, that's why there are several thousand Christian denominations today. Because the NoSD makes them split over trivialities, again and again and again.
@@KaiHenningsen Makes perfect sense because these religious groups are competing between each other for attention of the same demographic group, using very similar tools (very similar theology). It's like Pepsi fights against Coca-Cola, not Mars, for example :-)
We can’t assume orthodoxy but many secular historians assume the equal validity of diverse Christian viewpoints. It doesn’t seem necessary to examine weather there was an orthodox original view point of Christianity. Even from a non Christian perspective logic would suggest there might be.
I’m not sure it’s a great thing to highlight. Is the difference between a God incarnate who suffered for human sin a small difference from a dualistic God who saves with secret knowledge? He along with many history channel historians assume each diverse
Viewpoint is equal to the next except the orthodox viewpoint that muscled its way to victory. Gnostic texts take a non Christian theology and puts it into a Christian story. It’s just not correct to suggest that gnostic view were there from the beginning.
What I love about your videos is, I have no idea what you believe. You keep it factual and about the subject matter. So many of my professors have a difficult time keeping their opinions away from the classroom. I don't study religuon, but political science. I'm there to learn not to be be preached to. Keep it up.
If he is anything like myself, the greater the amount of research, the less I am beholden to any one ideal or belief system.
@@elementneon yeah it's all a bunch of cope
The only thing worth believing is that nobody exists in purpose nobody belongs anywhere everybody's gonna die.
Yes! That is soooo important! It really jars me when there is obvious bias! I want to make up my own mind! I don’t want to be told what to think, just how to think! 🙏
@@michaelmayhem350 what is it worth
My master's thesis in social psychology was very close to this: I studied the Black Sheep Effect (which is the measurably harsher punishments we give to deviant in-group members than to outgroup members). I'd be happy to forward you some articles on that, if you're interested! :)
Are you Brazilian? What's the name of the article, I thought it sounds interesting
Sounds awesome! Bet it was great
I’m interested
I'm interested 🙏🏽
Slavery is bad… mmmmmkay!
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The creator of this video is an incredibly gifted and intelligent public speaker. Please continue to make similar videos in the future.
Totally agree.
You are impressed by this? You know nothimg.
I used to ask myself this question: How could Adam and Eve be held morally accountable for eating the fruit from the tree of knowledge of good and evil since they didn`t know the difference between good and evil before they ate the fruit? I later realized that the god of the Adam and Eve story wasn`t the good God, but the unjust and evil demiurge who wanted Adam and Eve not to eat the fruit of the tree of knowledge (gnosis) so they will remain ignorant of themselves and worship him.
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That opinion is what's ignorant. Adam was commanded. This is clearly stated. THAT is the issue--rebellion--just as it has been since then. He gives them the right way to live and they choose their own. She literally "did what was right in her own eyes" as was said of Israel time and time and time and time again. The entire point is that you're free to choose: life and blessing or death and curses. And i guess we see what you like better.
@@jenna2431 But how would Adam and Eve know that obeying God was the good choice and that disobeying God was the evil choice if they didn`t yet eat the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil.
Why did god created that tree in the first place?
It's less about good vs evil and more about truth vs illusion
Have to love how making your enemy out to be a baby muncher is a deep rooted thought that is carried on to this day
Exactly.
Where there's smoke, there's fire
Yea alright!
@@MyChihuahua Not unless someone is literally just lying about the smoke to make people scared and run away from a supposed fire that they don't see when there actually isn't a fire.
Practitioners of the dark Arts who've learned at the mystery schools have have drink blood All Through the Ages into deep antiquity. How many writings illustrations and examples of eyewitness accounts of this just look up the count of St Germain New Orleans
The Gnostics were the ones who thought "eating Christ " was absurd
Right, but why do today's Gnostic churches practice it?
They also ate children.
@@enriquepenanieto4398 Where is the proof of that?
@@doriesse824 I think he's one of those polemics trying to compare the Gnostics to the Mystery Babylon religion.
Unfortunately the Roman Empire propaganda machine also used that to sway public opinion against early Christians (because they wouldn't bow down to the emperor as a god). I have my disagreements with Christianity and Christians, but by all known accounts, none of the thousands of factions were ever a cannibalistic cult, but accusations of cannabalism made it easy to feed them to wild animals for public sport.
I was introduced to the concept of Gnosticism by, of all things, a video game. Xenogears for the Sony PlayStation. I have long since been curious about the deeper meaning of Gnosticism and decided to search for its meaning in depth. I wanted an unbiased breakdown of the concept and after a lot of "polemics" I felt somewhat discouraged. I want to thank you for your in depth description. I now fully understand a basic concept of Gnosticism thank you.
I don't know why but Japanese pop culture seems awash in Gnostic thinking. Whenever you find deep, philosophical anime and japanese games, it's always Gnostic or Shinto at the core of the philosophy. It may be because of some overlap between Gnostic and Buddhist ideas. But I think of Madoka and Evangelion as Gnostic, rather than Buddhist, though I suppose you could argue that their message is either or neither.
Origins of Gnosticism
@@TheRachaelLefler if you look deep with all of these wisdom traditions they all align with a deep wisdom that transcends what can be described in words
Xenosaga introduced me too it.
I’m here because of Persona/SMT.
I thought this was more informative than most things I see about this subject , I appreciate that , I am someone who falls between two schools of thoughts , I think of my self as a spiritual person who used to call my self Christian , but not quite Gnostic Christian either , I would say I am
Still in the process of learning all religions, as much as possible, from Sikhism to mystical Judaism. But more than that I see science as not a way to discount God but a way to show God’s work ,the problem is how we see our creator , as a thing , person , or energy Ism still learning and fallowing the path to find peace , but smart enough to know I can’t know all but I can try to understand more . I will do that forever til my last breath 😇
Absolutely! Well-said!
Be not deceived God is light and in him is no darkness, repent and believe in the gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ
@@SDawg-ik1szlearn every religion and understand all belief systems, If what you say is true then there is no risk in understanding all religions. How would you possibly be making the right choice any other way?
… “A spiritual person who used to call myself Christian, but not quite gnostic”… You’re speaking my lingo. 😊
"When soul became aware, her behavior transformed. She looked for foods that give life. She learned about her light as she went about stripping off this world, while her true garment clothed her within. She learned about her depth, and ran into her fold, while her shepherd stood at the door. In return for all the shame and scorn she received in the world, she received ten thousand times the grace and glory."
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>slander
I resent that! Slander is spoken, in print it's libel
@@septimus9764 you don't get the reference.
"You don't trust anyone, that's your problem."
@@wellthismachinekills3809 DTA don't trust anyone that's the only way to live!
damon gardiner everybody has someone who they truly think they can trust. Even you. But don’t trust me on that. lol
I’d hear that from my dad growing up quite frequently. The slander/ libel ordeal, or the less / fewer distinction. Or the too / to / two situation. Now I’m running on......
I’ve flirted with Gnosticism, but finding out that the monad is important in it really struck me. I’ve been fascinated with the concept of the monad from mathematics
This point that you made. Is why I am confident that Gnostics were Christian philosophers
And I've flirted with women who would then Monad me
@@ceesno9955yes? Did you even read the writings of Tertullian? Even back then, close to two thousand years ago, philosophical ideas had been used to warp the texts.
That is, they add philosophical ideas and propose truths veiled, etc.
@@mojus2890all of the texts are warped, Matthew, Mark and Peter are all postulating Ebionitism, Luke John and Paul are clearly trying to establish the Proto-Orthodoxy, the heretical texts are siding with the Gnostics, most are not even written by who they say they are, everyone is biased.
[Hebrews 11
Names of God Bible
3 Faith convinces us that God created the world through his word. This means what can be seen was made by something that could not be seen.]
Is the Monad (first emanation of God) the zero-dimensional space holding our quarks together with the Strong Nuclear Force?
Leibniz's "The Monadology" is a philosophical work that explores the concept of monads as indivisible, immaterial substances that make up the fabric of reality. While the notion of monads is primarily philosophical and not directly related to modern physics, I can attempt to draw a connection between some of Leibniz's ideas and the strong nuclear force holding quarks together. Here are seven points of connection you could consider:
1) Indivisibility and Unity: Leibniz's monads are indivisible and lack parts. In a similar vein, quarks are elementary particles, indivisible according to our current understanding, and are the building blocks of hadrons, the particles held together by the strong force.
2) Interconnectedness: Leibniz's monads are interconnected, each reflecting the entire universe from its own perspective. In particle physics, the strong force binds quarks within hadrons, creating a complex interconnected system of particles.
3) Inherent Properties: Monads possess inherent perceptions and appetitions. In particle physics, quarks are associated with intrinsic properties like color charge, which influences their interactions through the strong force.
4) Harmony: Leibniz describes monads as creating harmony in the universe. Similarly, the strong nuclear force maintains stability within atomic nuclei by balancing the repulsive electromagnetic forces between positively charged protons.
5) Pre-established Harmony: Leibniz's concept of pre-established harmony suggests that everything is synchronized by design. In particle physics, the strong force ensures that quarks interact in ways that give rise to stable particles, exhibiting a form of "harmony" in their interactions.
6) Non-Mechanical Interaction: Leibniz's monads interact non-mechanically through perceptions. In the context of the strong force, quarks interact through the exchange of gluons, which doesn't follow classical mechanical rules but rather the principles of quantum field theory.
7) Holism: Leibniz's emphasis on the holistic nature of reality could be compared to the way quarks contribute to the overall structure and behavior of hadrons through their interactions mediated by the strong force.
Question:
What is the difference between the postulated soul (no spatial extension, zero size and exact location only) and quarks (mass with no size measured in Megaelectron Volts)?
Direct knowledge of the monad - no need for priests, that's the issue traditional Christians had
There were no traditional Christians back then
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Wow! This was very informative and helpful. Thank you for your brilliant and nuanced discussion of Gnosticism.
Interestingly, Mohammed used portions of the Gnostic writings in the composition of his Quran.
Kevin Canuckster
His wife family was judeo-christian. So those writings might have been present in his wife family.
@@hephopa6573 Mohammed clearly no knowledge of the Gnostic writings. He did not write about lower or lesser GOD. He onlyused the Torah and the main Gospels Matt, Mark, Luke, and John.
Kevin canukster. Can you prove that Muhammud pbuh took from gnostic and other writings and composed the Quran. You will never be able to do so. The evidence that the Quran us divinely inspired is overwhelming. It could not and cannot be produced by any human being. That is the Quran, s challenge "" produce a surah(chapter) like unto the quran"". A challenge made over 1400 years ago and not the finest of Arab linguists or anyone else has been able to do it. Please do your research properly before making unfounded claims. By the way Allah s w t says in the Quran" this is not a new message but a reminder and a confirmation of previous scriptures revealed to our messengers. So you see when you believe in One Almighty God then you believe in all his messengers like we Muslims do
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Never have.
Interesting.
Could you quickly summarize it here.?
I thought he was illiterate.
Thank you so much for bringing this level of education to UA-cam on early historical religious and philosophical thought and the confluence of it all I can't tell you how grateful I am for your channel Thank you for this video
This is an amazing channel, thank you for your work!
This was very well put together, thanks for going into original sources with nuance.
Loving the hard work and research you put into your videos! You are awesome!
So it seems the secret knowledge is the meditation to meet your true self wrapped around your ego. This helps you to always be aware of the true core which gently guides the ego that will live with us as long as our species alive.
@Mary Gomes YOU are Heresy. Carry on thinking jesus will save you by just blindly believing. We would rather know truths than be told them through a corrupted book.
Lydia, well said. Meditation shows the true self & the ego.
The ego is a 'process' of our brain, it can't be eliminated but awareness
of our true self helps to 'control' it and recognize its effects.
@@gnosticwarrior2075 What is Truth? For any Christian, Truth is the second person of the Trinity, Jesus Christ. To know Truth is to know Him. Truth is not a set of abstract axioms that you give intellectual ascent to. It is a way of life that involves synchronously living the way of Christ. Protestants, and Western Christianity forgot this. Eastern Christianity never did, hence why ideas like the nous, the essence energies distinction, and theosis are mainstays of Eastern Christian praxis.
@@eduardovalentin9416 Truth is the endgame of possible outcomes.
To be more accurate, i'll say you that the meditation process is the main way for releasing your own (spirit) from your own material body.
But be careful, its sort of dangerous if your not a good person since the Holy spirit of God wont leave it with you; in other words, you will be alone against spiritual principalities and powers.
Love this channel, detailed and informative
Excellent video: engaging presentation, solid facts and examples, expansive coverage!
00:48 The gnostics don't believe in an afterlife. They believe in a heaven, and think 3-dimensional existence is hell.
Gnosticism is about practicing spirituality, not faith in the hereafter.
@Deepstateagenda21lgbtqsatanicilluminatipopelover The eternal Home from which we came in pre-existence of this world. It's called the Pleroma or Supernal Abode.
@Deepstateagenda21lgbtqsatanicilluminatipopelover But unlike mainstream Christianity, there was a pre-existence, a before-life.
@Deepstateagenda21lgbtqsatanicilluminatipopelover Ask a mainstream Christian pastor or priest if there is a pre-existence of the soul. They will vehemently oppose that idea. They will say there is ONLY an afterlife. If you don't think that's significant, then you don't have any understanding of the Gnostic philosophy, but you are entitled to whatever you wish.
When Jesus told Nicodemus in order to be saved, one must be "born again", that has been mistranslated. It means "born from above"; i.e., pre-existing. There are those who have not pre-existed, and there are those who are "born from below"; in fact, these two groups make up the majority in this world.
Wrong !
Helios do you know what “after” means? Just wondering
Have fallen in love with ur discussions. So easy to listen to and understand 😊 Thank u 🙏
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Dude.. Congrats, and thank you for this extremely helpful explanation. This is a brilliant, clear and concise unpacking of a very difficult subject to fully grasp or find congruency.
I have read some of the gnostic gospels. I agree with the way the narrator describes them in this video. Even in the Gospel of John, there is a very strong theme of attaining and growing in knowledge/spiritual understanding.
The Gospel of Jesus Christ According to John even ends with what's basically an advertisement for Scriptures about the life of Christ beyond the Synoptic Gospels, like how modern books often end in a bunch of ads for many other books.
I did some research for an independent study last year. The Gospel of John best seen as a proto-Gnostic text, still orthodox Christian though. Like, some Gnostic communities would have used the Gospel of John as a central theological text. 😄
The apostle John wrote against the gnostics in his epistles. The truth is both the orthodox/catholics and the gnostics misinterpret the writings of John to their own destruction. Reading things in his texts he never intended. It always starts with subtle lies.
@@jonathangandara109 no because John 1:14 the word become flesh which shows it’s anti gnostic seems like the writer trying debunk Gnosticism most secular scholar also would agree gospel of John would be gospel which against Gnostics not that it’s gnostic gospel. Even 1 John 4:3 it even says everyone who does not confess Jesus came in flesh is antichrist this doesn’t like that author is gnostic
What about Jesus’ younger chinese brother Hong Xiuquan?
So informative and interesting to listen to! Keep going! When I’m no longer a lowly university student, I’ll be sure to support
So much of our history is slanderous it’s hard to find truth anywhere 😞 I appreciate your take on this and keeping it ‘non slanderous’
Remember that Pythagoras and Plato rejected the material world and Aristoteles despised it - that's Christian theology.
Yes indeed. Pythagoras knew about reincarnation . There was a five year vow of silence when allowed to enter his mystery school. The Christ is but 2000 years old. God is much older. Peace be with you.
A very well laid out analysis of Gnosticism. Thank you.
Thanks, Andrew. This was a thorough, concise and well-presented insight of Valentinian Gnosticism.
Thank you for explaining this to me.Were it not for you, I never would have known. May God bless you and keep you safe. Bonnie
Kudos for your comment about nuance. Thanks for the great work.
This was such a brilliant video, you seem to have managed to wade through the waffle and give it as it is with a seemingly fairly objective approach. About to go and check out the rest of your channel but thanks for this!
Thank you for your depth of research, and understanding. I like these videos.
I really appreciate your videos!
This was great. A fair and balanced view that I've rarely found.
See 75% of JRPGs with T or M ratings for more details. Especially Shin Megami Tensei/Persona and the Xeno series
Pillage him, Satanael!
And Castlevania season 3
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It’s nice to see how this channel changed and grew over the years.
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In her book "The Aquarian Conspiracy", Marilyn Ferguson described these battles over small differences within the communities of people who'd encountered great personal life changes that reflected the presence of a higher power and perhaps at the edge of what then was the "new age" movement. So, it's still around and seems prevalent in our political realm.
Thank you so much for an unbiased explanation. ❤️
I second your statement. 😊
Thanks so much for this, Andrew! Great video, without judging the subject. Really appreciate that. Subscribing....
Interesting fact: Standard English translations of John 8:44 obscure the Greek, which reads: ὑμεῖς ἐκ τοῦ πατρὸς τοῦ διαβόλου ἐστὲ. With the article preceding πατρὸς, the phrase τοῦ διαβόλου is a genitive phrase modifying the nominal phrase ἐκ τοῦ πατρὸς;.. Thus: "You are from the father of the Devil." If the statement were to mean, as the standard English translation renders it, "You are of the father, the Devil," then the article preceding πατρὸς, would not be present. In this case the phrase, "father" would be in the predicate position, a grammatical choice that the author of John makes a few verses later in 8:56 when referencing Abraham: Ἀβραὰμ ὁ πατὴρ ὑμῶν, "Abraham, your father." This literal reading is confirmed by the last segment of the verse (8:44f) which straightforwardly acknowledges the present of two beings, the liar and his father: ὅταν λαλῇ τὸ ψεῦδος, ἐκ τῶν ἰδίων λαλεῖ, ὅτι ψεύστης ἐστὶν καὶ ὁ πατὴρ αὐτοῦ. The full verse reasons that the Devil lies since his nature is that of a liar. Why? Because not only is the Devil a liar himself but his father is also a liar. But this is not the sense of the standard English translation which is peculiar and strained. It reads αὐτοῦ as a genitive "it" referring to an unnamed singular antecedent such as "lying" or "falsehood." Thus: πατὴρ αὐτοῦ is rendered in the standard English translation idiosyncratically, "the father of lies." This is incredibly incorrect and dishonest. Aὐτοῦ doesn`t mean “ it” but is a personal pronoun which this context refers to the devil, therefore it should say “the father of the devil” not “the father of lies” biblehub.com/greek/846.htm
This verse functioned as a calling card for Gnostics who used it as plain evidence that Jesus taught that the Jewish God was the father of the Devil. A number of Gnostics employed this verse to prove that Jesus himself instructed them that there existed a god in addition to Jesus' true Father. This other god is the Old Testament God and is responsible for the generation of the Devil and evil. They insisted that this verse demonstrates that determinism plays a role in human nature, especially in terms of the most wicked people, the apostates. According to these Gnostics, it is a wicked deity - the god the old testament - who fathered both the apostates and the Devil. The early catholics faced a real dilemma when it came to explaining this verse. In order to neutralize it, they insisted that the Greek be read appositionally, "you are from the father, the Devil" even though they confess that reading it this way would be clearer if the genitive article before father were erased. Their ultimate concern is that the scripture cannot say "from the father of the Devil" so they plead that another reading of the text is necessary, a reading that they regard as 'better' than the plain reading. They are so certain that that text means "from the father, the Devil" that they freely render it, "You are sons of the Devil," and attribute these words to Jesus instead of the words found in the scripture. They are uneasy about quoting the Greek in the form it appears in the biblical passage itself. So they tend to substitute for it what they think the passage should say by paraphrasing the passage whenever they reference it.
If the author, intended to write “You are sons of the Devil” he would have simply wrote it. If Jesus wanted to say “You are sons of the Devil” he would of said it that way. “For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.” 1 Corinthians 14:33
Or perhaps Jesus could refer to those cussed, wicked, unrepentant Jews with whom he actually fervently argued with as "the Devil" en bloc (as he called Peter also "Devil" once) - and then "the Devil"s father" again could mean what the Chistian scholars think: "you, Jews in this group, all are children of the Devil if you think like He does".
Valentinus 777 Even as a child I could understand that the bible has been translated several times, from several different languages over thousands of years, by many different individuals subject to their interpretations. I was agnostic all my life because of my distrust of any authority. Thank you for your literal translation.
A lot of this is Greek to me.
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@@akostarkanyi825 incorrect. Jesus and the Bible currently confirm that Yahweh is in fact the devil, Satan or if you prefer the demiurge. More than 168 bible verses point to this. It also points to the fact that this thing is the creator of men. We are created in His image and it is good and evil.
Great content, as always. Thanks for all you do!
Cool i heard about this channel from Fel. Good stuff thank u for studying and presenting information friend
Thank you for this . You did a amazing job!!!!!
Simply put. Well done presentation of this information
great video and an amazing way of present the information , love it
Thank you! Glad you liked it. I made a sequel of sorts about the Gospel of Judas if you want to check it out.
+ReligionForBreakfast I will, am been trying to go further on knowledge . .. is so amazing
This video certainly has generated one of the most lively threads I've ever seen on youtube. Well done!
you dont believe...why do you discuss it then...this guy has not the slightest idea what he is talking about...or he does and he is purposely trying to steer people in the wrong direction...why do people who dont have any idea what they are talking about....even speak....if you dont believe fine...but why do you embarrass yourself ....with fake gnosis....
Gnostic is not confined to only 1 set of beliefs. The real tragedy of the internet, is that everyone thinks themselves an expert, and qualified to educate the rest of the world.
Where the world's worst know-it-alls perch and defecate.
How could there be an authentic Christianity when there were so many competing versions of Christianity back in the day.
And it's still going on till this day.
As always, a very good analysis of a difficult, obscure and complex set of ancient religious ideas and archetypes. Well done!
So i feel you've missed two main themes often attributed to Gnostics,
1. They were vehemently opposed to hierachy. For this they are vilified by all the powerful papish folk and the early Christians were split along these lines.
2 In keeping with point 1 and their name, Gnostics advocated learning. They encouraged a personal journey of intellectual discovery for all people. Through this journey it was believed that a person could grow beyond the mind forged manicles of death. The Gnostics followed a path which led to them being exponged from history almost entirely. When you speak truth to power you are dicing with such a fate.
Even today we have scholars, apparently, ignoring the significance of Gnostic thought.
However, history, and particularly recent history, proves the Gnostics were right to distrust the hierarchy.
Not only do we have a culture of predators and paedophiles hiding in the tanks of the humble faithfulm but we have examples like the Magdalene sisters and whole generations of children, where their parents have been forced to abandon them, by the church, and then they are basically sold into slavery, right into the 20th C, and God only knows what actually goes on with them today.
The Gnostics believed in the truth, and I'm besring witnese to that truth.
My learned friend here has never touched on the big issues of the Christian church today because he won't probabaly consider it a scholarly matter.
That's another difference between my idea of Gnostic and scholarly.
For the Gnostics, the truth is hidden deliberately to preserve the power of the predator.
THE TRUTH WILL SET YOU FREE.
That was, as i understand it, a great Gnostic motto.
I was born a Catholic and steeped into the dye more thoroughly than most. But i was also a child of the 60s and went though puberty to the sounds of Punk Rock.
Gnosticism is the synthesis of everything i am, and i don't like to see it muddled with complicated, meaningless scholasticism.
The world we live in has a true history and a false narrative. In the true history, for examplem all the men are great some of the time.
Whereas in the false narrative you have men who are just Great, like Alexander.
In addition to a true history you have meaning.
Those who can discern meaning from the true facts are the saved.
Ok boomer.
They also sacrificed children and both the gospel of thomas and gospel of judas were fabricated 300 years after Jesus.
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Are you talking about Leviticus when you say, 'child sacrifice'?
When we talk about the Gnostics we may as well be talking about the time 200 or 300 years after Christ.
The point isn't about the authenticity of the script. Indeed it is a stretch to imagine there really was two facts of the story you can hang together.
No, the point about the Gnostics is there scientific principles.
"The truth will set you free".
Traditions of Christ as,
'The Way,
The Truth, and
The Light".
These are not ideas that depend on politics or any narrative of events in the life of a Roman Jew.
The Gnostics may have been less healthy than the picture I paint, but I feel there is a duty to give them some credit for cherishing at least the idea of truth as the ideal.
We both agree that truth was a Gnostic value above all. The difference is that quote Christ as proclaiming himself to be the truth, unlike the quote i referenced,
The truth will set you free
What we have here is a choice between faith and knowledge.
Can Christ really proclaim that he is the truth?
Surely a person, however genuine, however authentic, cannot claim to be, himself the truth. A person may claim, rightly, to be telling the truth, but to claim to be the embodiment of truth is to redefine what truth means.
A Gnostic is an upholder of the truth first.
Ja heeft er wel mee te maken muziek he. GODnabij.nl amen sjalom shalom
This was great! Thank you!
Excellent discourse! you have a gift my friend able to transverse through time and ideological mismatch is not easy.. thank you!
You had me in the first few minutes. Subscribed.
Gnostics belive in variety of theologies...brilliant
Thank you so much for clearing this up for me. Very well explained gnostic video
You're making my Sunday night interesting.
where in the world gnostic christianity coming from?
I am Catholic, but every time i read the Holy Bible i find myself asking questions further .. the bible is not enough. i love God and believe in higher divinity, but i also feel so odd. i want to know what is gnostic christianity. sounds like stuff i want to know.
Same here
You might find this interesting. Many ancient truths and teachings were lost after the deaths of the Apostles. However, as prophesized, these truths have since been restored. www.amazon.com/dp/1893036162/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_awdb_t1_rYffDbJE34ZK9
Here is another interesting video I recently saw: ua-cam.com/video/7rV6gUipBu0/v-deo.html
@@stuartburrows2744 i came from Gnostic believe you will have spiritual encounters, but it is a lie if you seek the spiritual outside of the true holy jesus of the bible, you will encounter a deceiving spirit. The holy spirit that comes from the father in jesus reveal to me all truth. Following jesus is spiritual read the king james bible, surrender, pray to jesus only, study the word and he will reveal himself. Dont follow mysticism i came from there study of demons is what it is. Jesus said everything you do in darkness will be seen in the light, jesus did not work in secret was open about the kingdom of heaven
@ippos_khloros you obviously dont know the bible, Or god seek jesus of the holy bible an he will reveal to you all truth
Ok. That was brilliant. Very excellent interpretation and explanation. Always a pleasure to see your work. Thanks, again, for your contribution. Keep going!
Thank you for the video.
Excellent presentation, thanks much!
Secret, when you say Gnostic, thank pronostic and you come up with the Essenes. The third of the three Priestly orders of the Hebrews. The Sadducees, the Pharisees, and the Essenes. And we know what Christ thought of the Pharisees and Sadducees.
Remember, that in the Greek text Judas did not betray Jesus. In the Greek text he turns him over after Jesus tells him do what you must do. Actually sounds like he's doing the bidding of Jesus.
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“Do what you must do”???
Really.?
Why would sending an innocent, godly and good man to his ultimate persecution and death ever be what you must do.?????
@@carolreid5405 you have a clue what the implications would be had the occurrences not happened the way they did? Did you ever think, possibly not, the Jesus may have arranged to make sure that Judas turned him over?
Not only did he have to show the evil that had crept into the official clergy of the day, he could not have proven bet he could overcome it by resurrecting after such a public display! Or do you misunderstand the scriptures entirely?
Well there is jesus the man and there is jesus the master and it seems to me that when jesus spoke those words to Judas it came from jesus the master, it came from a deeper understanding of what was playing out before him, that this was his destiny and also judas's destiny hence why there was no resentment towards judas from jesus, not my will but thy will, it is symbolic of the surrender to the divine will.
Jesus himself was an Essene. They had nothing to do with the Pharisees, they were a group preparing for his arrival.
Good work. I have a background in religious history and it is nice to see such a well rounded treatment of this topic that properly examines the intricacies and subtleties. I loved the introduction of the narcissism of small differences. A fine and under-utilized term that has vast application in understanding the human condition. I am putting this in my favorites so perhaps more people will see it.
Soylent Green Glad you liked it! Religion is SO nuanced and potentially polarizing. I'm aiming to talk about these issues from a more academic perspective which [hopefully] will lend a bit of religious literacy to whoever watches the episodes. Thank you for the subscribe!!
ReligionForBreakfast That comment alone would earned my subscription friend :) You're a breath of fresh air.
Soylent Green Thank you!
this has to be the best, most energetic presentation of your impressive oeuvre
Excellent video. I really learned a lot
First and Foremost: Gnosis is an experience.
any books on Gnosticism that you can recommend?
Great video!! Will you also cover the history or development of the Coptic Church? Simply curious!
Thanks for sharing!
***** Glad you enjoyed it! I'm also fascinated by the Coptic Orthodox Church. Lot's of rich history to that tradition. I'm sure I can cover it in the coming months!
Wonderful presentation, please do more.
YOur videos are truly fascinating. I am reading Renan's book on early Christians and his approach is very similar to yours
That was good. I think you might have emphasized how "Gnosticism" was often a means of reconciling Christianity with neoplatonic and Greco-Roman philosophy more broadly.
This is of interest today for people likewise looking to position Christianity in the context of our contemporary understanding of the world. Original sin etc as pertinent metaphors for the human condition, rather than absurdities for many, if taken literally.
+Pasquino 0 Good points...maybe in a sequel episode. I didn't want to delve too deeply into Neo-platonism on this episode (it's really dense stuff if you've ever tried reading Plotinus), but it does make a lot of these "gnostic" texts make more sense.
I enjoy Plotinus. Marsilio Ficino would be interesting to cover in that regard as well. Or Christianity as interpreted through the broader western tradition more generally.
Marsilio Ficino is a personal favorite of mine. I probably will cover him in my Magic/Science/Religion series since he is an excellent example of early "medical science" and how close it is to magic.
They don’t see Jesus as a “spiritual being” - they recognize that he is a [metaphor] for the ego death and resurrection mytheme.
Oh, the hero's Journey?
@@caroswolf286 it's all connected, man 😉
Well, 'gnostics' is a too varied group to put easy labels on. The question of Christ were subject to a variety of interpretations and dogmas among different gnostic groups.
Caros Wolf - yes, The Hero’s Journey - Exactly. Dozens of Religions in this region have different versions of the same message. That it is possible to have an experience that completely negates the idea of an individual ego calling the shots. This is the death and rebirth experience. It is, and was, catalyzed by the use of psychedelics.
@@MrTrda yes and the Jesus story is just new version of the old ones in ancient times been retold over and over but different names. Krishna, Horrus ect
Thank you. I'm from a traditional Christian background and on a gnostics course at the moment. Thank you for your unbiased perspectives.
Clear and thoughtful.
Thank you
Very well done, and helpful. Thank you!
+myWCI Glad you enjoyed it. Thank you!
Hey this was a very useful video for me. I was raised an atheist and found a home in a Baptist church when I entered into foster care. I found bhuddest philosophy when I moved out on my own and I've begun exploring nostic texts. I'm off to check out that library you mentioned and I'm super excited to hear this new creation story. Recently listened to the book of adam that had an interesting g creation story to it. In the book of juda it mentions 27 heavens crazy
According to the Bible Jesus said, "In my father's house there are many mansions," What do we think this symbolises?
Hello dear. Why do you no longer believe in Christianity❤️
This is such a good channel.
Great video!!!!
Gnosticism refers to direct knowledge... Heaven within for those with eyes to see
What are you talking about?
@@MetaKnight964 it's the definition of gnostic from the Greek, based on Jesus' words in the canonical gossips and elsewhere (like Thomas).
I used to be a part of an interfaith breakfast group. We discuss these things. I miss it. You have a great teaching personality. I subscribed. I am a fan.
Very informative. I learned a couple of things. Thanks!
I’m just here to say I enjoyed this video and reading the comments 👌
" You must be renewed in the spirit of your minds."
That sounds like something Jesus said. Renew your mind.
Transformed by the renewing of your mind
Thats the only way to regain your authenticity.. most humans are brainwashed
Hi @Denis Sutherland , how do I do this? I believe the statement to be true, without instruction is just statement. What does the bible say about renewing our minds does it give the detail to instruct us?
Paul wrote this in Ephesians 4:23
This video represents exactly the reason why Gnostic Teachings have been kept hidden. That is, misinterpretation preached to the masses.
Matthew 13:19 "When anyone hears the message about the kingdom and does not understand it, the evil one comes and snatches away what was sown in their heart."
New fan here man. I really love your work.