@@mjrisinsd6836 I feel like her #1 selling point is perfect skin, symmetrical face, her audacity- singing skills are not near the top but as we know, it hasn't been about that for a long time now! Any church or community college will have a better singer.
@ yeah, but that is a big part of it as well. Performance is more than technical mastery. Virtuosos overlook so much, but you generally can’t get through to them. Pop music is not complicated.
It's not about any of that in big name normie pop, as long as you have half decent songwriting and good production with a marketing team who can bring your otherwise mediocre music to a wider audience you'll succeed. That's the problem with a lot of music in the modern day, it stems directly from big music corporations' need to make more money through creating more well known artists. No real artistic merit or soul to it, just board room style decisions.
The main difference between using a Splice loop (or any other company's pre-made loops) vs sampling from vinyl or cassettes etc. is that the Splice loops are already a perfect loop and perfectly in tune. You can easily search for what you want and it will pop right up without much work. Yes you still have to "dig" I guess... but with vinyl, you have to really find the samples yourself (and have a good ear / taste for what is dope), make sure they are in tune, chop, quantize & timestretch to stay on tempo since a lot of old songs don't have a consistent bpm. More skills, care and creativity is needed for the "old school" way in my opinion. With all of that being said, I feel anyway you do it is still producing. Using pre-made loops is just the newer way of doing it and I respect it fully. I love to do it all. I make my own music and original samples from scratch, chop samples from vinyl and cassettes, and use pre-made melodies from time to time.
It's whatever works. Literally. You can record every part of the beat yourself on microphones, tune it all, put it together on tape, etc. and it can still not hit. It just matters if it feels good or not or succeeds as a piece of music that makes people move/or be moved. I know folks look at the tech and say "this isn't art" but the amount of effort to get a result isn't indicative of how great art can be. From my own personal experience -- I've done plenty of both. I will say, when I play my own guitar parts and my own drum sequencing, there is more organic quality to it. I personally like those tracks a bit more because I can feel that personal flair coming across. BUUUUT I eventually learned how to manipulate clean samples into sounding very analog and like a band in a room. That was a challenge within itself. I had to learn how do you take all these samples like players in a room and make them all work together so it sounds like an indie band somehow because I don't have access to a band, but I wanted to make that kind of music. And I think you make really great points -- it's not "fair" but that's how it goes. Look at the Gorillaz song how Damon showed that one interviewer that the entire melody to that shit is just a basic preset on some crappy keyboard that he loved. Does that song not still hit because the melody was "easy"? Hell no! It hits! Whatever works.
The argument that "whatever works works", taken to its extremes can mean that the ends justify the means, no matter what they are. Exploitation, abuse, deprivation, manipulation, heck, slavery, eliminating the competition; if they work, then they work right? Now, in the case of making music, it doesn't go quite that far, and you could say that I've used some unfair examples to make a point, and you'd be right. Just because life's unfair, and that's how the world is, and what works works, still doesn't mean that thing is right. Now that's just a criticism of the argument but let's talk about making music. If it's unfair that it's easy to make music using samples, then it's equally fine for those artists to be criticized for using samples lazily. It's whatever happens right? It's true that it's lazy, uncreative, uninspired- and sometimes it gets traction, and sometimes it doesn't. But that's like saying you'd listen to AI music if it were good- and maybe you would, but you get me? Part of music is the expertise, the experience, the creativity, the journey, the struggle, the uniqueness, the individuation, the authenticity of expression to make something profound, and if you're just mashing samples lazily, much worse if you stole them, then why is that worth any recognition or praise at all? Of course, there are some who add a lot of creative value alongside their use of sampling; so everything falls on a spectrum and you know yourselves.
The shitty thing is that visual collages are immediately obvious even to untrained eyes. Whereas you'll have no idea when you're listening to a splice sample unless you're already a producer that's heard the sample on Splice. Even the prior sampling methods of back in the day were far more obvious to everyone. Flips of 70s hits, amen breaks, etc. Now, I never know just how much credit to give a producer. If that even matters any more
but when u r using pre made instruments you havent made them and u havent made the software u r using and u havent build the computer u r using so its just about where we put the barrier between what is art and what is not as technology progresses we will get further and further with this barrier, i suppose whithin some period of time using ai to make a beat from just one prompt will be acceptable
@ This is nonsense. You are talking about being a luthier or a software dev, that is not composing music. Those things are still important but coding an oscillator isn’t the same as composing.
I love this. I just started music theory and producing and was feeling self conscious bc i want to make it all from scratch with no background. While clips and loops would maybe get me on the road faster, im here to make art
choosing the samples is the talent, i think the more you do to manipulate the samples into something that fits vocals, the more likely a good song will come of it, if you really take pride in producing, you will probably want to do it from scratch, if you just want the best end product, use whatever.
@@iziahleahan i think it really depends on the song/sample, sometimes additional manipulation to a sample is unnecessary and the song works better if its just looped as is
@ exactly. I think I try to manipulate things the slightest to decrease likelihood of content Id issues. But I agree. I think if you like the sample use it. But throwing a drum loop on a melody and calling it a day isn’t going to have the composition of a hit. Nice video though. I was just listening to a Tyler interview, where he talked about forgetting about making money, and just to focus on loving the art. It’s hard when you want to make money, but need to focus on the art. Keep it up bro, subbed
This is a good topic. A lot of artists on the stones throw label, and hiphop inspired me to make music, composing a piece definitely makes me feel more accomplished when it comes to getting what's inside, outside. That being said sampling was always a huge part of hiphop, it really forces you to learn music in a different way, a form of music appreciation if you will. If you feel really connected to a certain song and you want to sample It, It's like telling a story of your personal connection to the song being sampled, It's like giving reverence with your own personal flair. All of these creative processes are subject to being adopted into a business and or bastardised for the sake of making money.
yk another thing i'm annoyed with? people who "make" beats on websites using super generic loops that you forget immediately after. there's no musical talent there, there's nothing that really grabs your attention, there's no skill involved. it's just mashing things together until you have something you think sounds good i don't use loops. ill steal vocals from songs to remix but that's as far as i go with that, and even then, i'm still creating an ENTIRELY different track around the vocals. i throw out the original instrumental entirely and make a whole new song with the vocal. i have a buddy who does generative AI music and he writes his own lyrics. i wouldn't say he's necessarily a "producer" but he puts time into the tracks and sometimes has to regenerate portions of it but he's still writing his own lyrics, so i can respect that much more than someone who takes a drum loop and melody loop and mashes them together to create the most boring and uncreative "beat" i've ever heard. i think it has become too easy for people to make low-effort slop, and not just with ai, not just with loops but in general. the last 4-5 years (at least) have been filled with generic slop that buries the creative and genuinely good artists. It's been hard finding good artists because when you click some random persons song/beat here on youtube, you just have to hope they know what they're doing. i've heard it all. beats that clip and introduce shitty sounding distortion, over compression, NO COMPRESSION, no limiting, no side chaining, dry as fuck signals that they didn't even bother to put a reverb or chorus on, it's maddening. i wanna return to the days where we had to have GOOD music to put it online because it's too easy for people to put average or below average music online rant over lol
@@growingoaks haha i feel the frustration! i think all we can do is making something that stands out and hope that its bright enough to shine through the slop
@@sleepfieldro that's part of it BUT ALSO, the almighty algorithm doesn't immediately bless you. it's more of a "slow burn" thing and i'm fine with that but fuck man, it makes me wish that were was more gatekeeping in general cuz i've realized something gatekeeping is needed for a healthy community. without any sort of gatekeeping, any tourist can come through. i've been doing this for over 10 years and i've met A LOT of people who just quit after a few years when they dont make it. so many people will upload shitty music and then it stays up there when they just abandon it.
@@growingoaks That will never happen. It's good that the lowest denominator can make music. What happens is a lot of quick to results to producers will leave the game at some point and you'll prevail in the game. And Music has always been about taste rather than skill. I use to know great pianist or guitarist who couldn't make beats better than mine(Mouse clicker at the time).
This is a more complex topic then most people realize given all the variables involved . My attitudes towards using loops have changed over the years , and with new tech and the crazy grey area's in copyright , it's messy at best in some cases . Good or bad I avoid any turmoil by playing all instruments myself these days . Love the vid . Thanks CAMCURSE
Im in the digital artwork world and let me tell you. Creators hate each other in that world too… photobashing (taking pictures and mashing them to make new pieces) and tracing is widely unaccepted but some of the most popular artists do that including industry pros for fighting game artwork in the 90s up until today. Its crazy that when they find out your process they get upset. Music is the same way. It’s all dope until they find out its a loop. I think creators just hate each other
I get that there are people who feel otherwise. But personally for me as a multi instrumentalist my whole life, I don't get that excited or feel all that proud of my work when I use samples, unless I'm really messing with them like with a granluator or using tiny bits for hocket
Really? Marshmello dropped a new tutorial. He used a riser sample saying he was going to make is own but got too used to the sample he was using so he just kept it. You'd be surprised by how many producers actually use these loops and samples out there.
@AFRoSHEENT3ARCMICHAEL69 no I'm not surprised because I know that's how it is. And it's why I'm not that enamored by electronic music anymore. I used to worship the ground aphex twin walked on until I heard all the samples he used. Its a personal hangup, not saying everyone should feel this way
It might not be the most creative thing to do but there’s something to be said for being able to look at the bigger picture and know when two things will work well together. There’s so much grey area with producing/engineering overlap
A producer should generally not make music with the goal to satisfy other producers expectations or impress other producers. You end up with something not quite hitting the mark, generally. Something not as many people can appreciate. Although i do f with data music. Maybe not exactly on the topic but
wild to think that sampling from youtube wasn't ok and then madlib been doing it steady for years. My philosophy that I got from one of my mentors was, if it sounds good, it is good. chasing after the "proper" way to make a beat is a trap and overtime becomes harder to get out of. The story goes a guy wanted to do it right so he sampled off of vinyl, then he wanted to do it righter so he learned to play his own instruments, then he wanted to do it even more right and then made his own drum, then he decided to grow his own hide for drums and became a farmer and now doesn't have time for music lol
I just think music should be intentional. The methods are up for discussion but they're not important as the intention. At some point in the early 2010s I got addicted to making trap beats. One day I listened to like a 100 of my trap beats and they didn't sound like me(the person), even though I created everything from scratch and people appreciated the music. The real kicker came from me going back to making music intentional. I had to stay away from producing to regain the fire of being a real producer instead of going through motions.
It's all about the music; expressing yourself and how it makes the listeners feel at the end of the day! It's really interesting to see how people mix and approach samples in completely different ways. I feel that it is a beautiful way of expressing yourself, especially when done creatively.
But to me the problem is most people seem to look at music as sole proprietorship, which isnt what music is about at all to me. Its just fucking music bro. If some dude played a harp in his underwear in some unknown location and it just happened to be something I thought was perfect in my beat at a different tempo and key with whatever processing, thats a beautiful thing. And thats how that person wanted to be involved with music too, they're the one who put it up.
I dig this. Well said, man. Im a composer first, but I do enjoy making beats. It's a different artform...different skillset (with some overlap). I think most seasoned producers can discern quality, and most of the time, they can pick out if someone is using loops or not. Some of us nerds might even recognize the sample or pack if it hasnt been processed 😅...but at the end of the day, I say do what brings you joy...not everyone has time or willingness to go deep into it..some folks want a quick after work beat to chill or rap too....and i think beginning producers can learn alot by putting loops together...arrangement, developing ear... im not past starting out with loops for some inspiration... and certainly use reference tracks....especially if working on a sync project. They can be great song starters...but give credit where credit is due!
Listening to DJ Playero from the 1990s made me realize that you can compose on loops in a way that changes the whole vibe or genre, also how to use 2 loops from two different genres into one cohesive song.
00:25, 02:00 depends what's the purpose and meaning behind it, if it's just some industrious approach in attempt to make more money in short time you're more of a hustler than a producer, but also sometimes it makes more sense to loop 4 bar soul record piece and leave it at that than making it more complex/complicated just for the sake of it, but in that case it is justified with other reasons than laziness or lack of creativity, sampling actual records is usually harder to execute too, especially for beginners, if someone can honestly justify artistically taking splice loop and putting drums over it then I'm okay with that, but what I see most often it's done because someone lacks creativity, musical reference and just being lazy. Same applies to some sample based beatmakers too. They are usually lazy creatively, but they often hustling if it comes to selling the beats. 01:20 if it comes to youtube it's some most stupid thing I've encountered, most people eq highs out from wav samples anyway lol, there are some records that are sounding worse in wav than some 128/96kbps records from youtube, you should treat samples like a mold and decide if a certain one fits to execute your idea/vision or not, most people even won't tell the difference, especially the consumers of the end product 03:10 If it's for the sake of learning that's 100% fine, another great way to learn music production in 2024/2025 is taking your favorite songs from genre u wanna produce in, stem separate them, adjust the bpm in the project & analyze it bar by bar while trying to execute something similar under the stems in the same file, also arrangement wise 03:48 sampling is indeed a different type of art form than composing from scratch, but you can also merge two, making sample based beats is not always just chopping the sample and making the loop out of it 04:10 haha yea that's more or less what I've written above, I agree, you can make plenty of money in smaller niches too, just requires hard work and a bunch of networking, learning how to sell and talk to people, know how to gather and interpret databases quickly 06:35 gatekeeping is usually okay and genuine as long as it doesn't serve just the purpose of preserving someones fragile ego 08:30 yea that's what I've written, but often the 4 bar loop left untouched & pitched 200 cents up is just the thing that compliments an artist the best on the song, chopping it up automatically makes it more bouncy & aggressive, creating different groove which may not be the goal of the producer in a certain moment 09:05 honestly I've learned so much about music from listening to full records for samples, it's the best thing you can do if you have spare 2-3 hrs daily imo, especially if you're young and you want to develop musical skills and taste, you can also find plenty of records on obscure blogs, soulseek etc.
If you are able to produce song that makes it to the radio or gets to the worlds top 50 on Spotify , You Are A Producer... No matter what how to put that song together. In the end its the public that decides what is a good song or not , not another producer.. But i agree with some points people on commenting on.. Merry Christmas & Happy New Year too everyone ..👍
Always start with mindset " today I really want creating or crafting a good song " If needed or to make more lively inspired , you can just use loops or whatever samples as a starting guide which you can erase latter . If the final song lost the coolness or greatness simply because those loops/samples not in there anymore , that`s mean we need to going back to make adjustments with the song itself
making everything in midi is the most satisfying thing ever. (it's like completing a puzzle) nothing can take that from me 😂 (no audio-music related background)
i fully agree. as someone who makes sample beats. i find it hard to actually make my own sounds because like bruh. what would i even use lol. a lot of stuff i have made which are unreleased or not. i know some on my channel have this. but i like to sample notes in songs an create my own loops with them an that, it sort of reminds me of Timberland as i know he has done that sort of stuff too. when it comes to me sampling music. i normally opt out of just looping something and leaving it. instead i lift them and add my own shii to them like drums and that; i also add other sounds sometimes too. point is though sometimes like you said. composing your own sounds takes a hella long time and as someone who goes to college an d is studying a language and more. it is hard to balance these things out lol. so it is much easier for me to sample a note from a song and try and make something out of it ya feel. also i love your camera lmao, i like how it turns when you turn an that, i haven't seen anyone with a camera set up like that before aha
Tbh whatever gets you from point A to point B in terms of quality and satisfaction. Thats a different standard for everyone, always keep your mind/ options open.
personally i like sampling and making from scratch. if people are having fun and the music is great and its not straight up copy and paste i dont see why people are mad at that. its like people forgot why they became music producers in the first place. people will always talk no matter what lane in life just do what makes you happy.
I'm a vocal engineer. I could mix and master whatever but I like mixing voices. There's a real art to maximizing someone's voice. When I make music I don't use vocal presets. I just think it takes the fun out of mixing. I also can't use presets because I don't have anything to do that. I essentially mix my voice in a way that's purely fine tuned to the instrumental I am using. SO across all my songs I sound very different. But it works. Most people would prolly say my music is trash off first rip because that level of consistency isn't there even within the track itself but its not about the consistency its about what sounds good. I always approach music from a sound design perspective. If the sound fits, it fits. IMO way too many rappers force presets onto beats that like bro turn the auto tune down just a bit, let your voice blend into the mix more here and there, etc etc yes your voice will sound different but with the beat it goes so hard. The sound design goes hard. I don't know music theory either really beyond basics, I purely make music off what I hear.
I literally only extract midi from obscure Mediterranean commercials and flip it. Than I contact the library of congress and start buying up as many patents as possible. And than I bury my intellectual opposition with dope ass diss tracks that they wrote.
@sleepfieldro Lol but all jokes aside brother this was a very insightful video, and a rather refreshing take on an issue that most people seem to be toxic about, rather than opening a dialouge like this
I think he’s absolutely right in what he says. Working with loops, pre-made drums, and pre-mixed hi-hats takes away a lot of creativity. Using a drum machine, starting from scratch, drawing inspiration from sounds on records, like kicks or snares, and creating everything from A to Z is a real challenge. Not only does it take time, but you also need good machines and high-quality samplers to bring your ideas to life. It’s a much harder way to work, but that’s what real music production is about. That’s how a true composer or an authentic beatmaker is supposed to work. Nowadays, people often settle for a keyboard, a mouse, and a screen. Using ready-made loops or pre-designed melodies doesn’t encourage creativity. You’re no longer really composing; you’re assembling pieces like a puzzle, trying to fit each part into its place. That said, more and more producers are returning to drum machines, crafting their own kicks, snares, and hi-hats, and fully composing their tracks. They choose their own reverb, delay, distortion, and carefully add these elements to their productions. I understand that this approach takes time and money, but the result is much more original and creative than simply pasting loops from websites or using pre-made melodies. I believe great days are ahead for beat-making because we’re seeing more and more people working with advanced machines and samplers, challenging themselves, innovating, and creating truly original sounds. It’s slowly but surely making a comeback. One very important point I want to emphasize is that when everything becomes easy, when we always choose convenience without putting in effort or thought, everything ends up sounding the same. All music starts to have the same color. When you listen to certain songs on streaming platforms, you can immediately tell: “Oh, that melody came from this website.” That’s where the difference lies: an unrecognizable, unique piece of music is one that required time and effort. On the other hand, a track that’s instantly recognizable for its simplicity is often based on pre-made elements.
i only make the exception for this with drums. I think drum loops are perfectly fine to use as 99% of people can't tell anyways. Melodys i think should be edited and messed with heavily and then it becomes cool, i think a lot of the fun of producing is in the manipulation of sound
I'd say I appreciate original music more than sampled music for the most part. It usually takes more effort and creativity to produce original music. Though sampled music has a wide range of complexity and difficulty, like you said. Its almost like photoshopping existing media with templates vs creating your own media from scratch in graphic design.
i am a new producer and really just do it as a hobby. I mostly create the chords, melodies and bass etc from scratch with my keyboard piano. I do however sometimes use pre done drum patterns (not the whole beat but for example like , like a kick sequence, then i have to try and identify the snare sequence i want to layer on it etc... As i become better at use FL studio i hope i will be able to make all the drum patterns myself. Its fun to do so. On the ocasssions i have done the drum patternes from scratch they have taken time but it is rewarding.
Love the mindset, I'm a new producer that use a web daw called " Soundtrap" for 12 months as I was hardcore gaming I was using loops for those 12 months but after I realize I was talented as a producer I decided to cut gaming and I randomly started using Ableton 12 because my internet was out and I had the trial downloaded, so I started doing my work using only the instruments and piano roll. I pretty made a lot of great tracks as a newbie not using loops but the process can take longer but I love it more than loops because the freedom is there unlike using someone loops but I know where I started so I would not even knock it. The way my minded worked the moment I swap programs was "use instruments' the loops did not even come to mind besides my first two tracks I use a drum clip to kind of get the feel of the program, but I added my own drums in between. On my day one I made a horror track using sound effects mix with the instruments but it's very fun to create what your mind want with how you feel from doing piano roll work. Music is indeed art like you said, for me I want to see how far I can get with my hard work and talent, so far I been making a track everyday and posting so in between my break this video came up perfectly. Great video roro, new sub and looking forward to the content.
Been making beats for 15 years. Sometimes I'll make original music, but sampled beats in the early 90s is what I grew up loving so I usually stick to sampling. Splice loops are way too clean and synthetic sounding for my taste. I like beats that sound like they were made in a dark musty basement, as opposed to a clean studio with LED lights all over.
@@doze_beats380 i feel this, but if youre making the aesthetic of dusty beats on a computer i think its a little disingenuous. not hating, i do the same thing, but its really all about preference and perspective
I meant to say that I have heard records from Tory Lanez, H.E.R., and a few others using straight up no changes to them Splice loops with drums added to the beat, that I have in my own library from DopeBoyzMuzic so it's whatever I guess. They jammin too lol.
I agree. On my channel I use an MPC X, Daw and as much hardware as I have room for. Always trying to create or mx up some sounds to take them out of thier original form before I go in. Sometimes I loop stuff but usually only when it asks for it. Keep it Original
I genuinely feel that this is a skill Gap issue People who are over reliant on unchanged splice loops haven't explored or dedicated enough time to actually learning their own style in production. Are you splice all the time but you would never guess what samples I use that are splice loops because I might build a whole instrumental around a splice loop or I might overdub a piano chop with my own piano playing. I also play guitar and bass guitar so it's all about cultivating a style enhancing dynamics and figuring out what you want the sample to say. I don't think I've ever picked the sample and it said what I wanted to say. There's always a texture I can add or a method in which I can chop it to make it mine
Admittedly I always stayed away from chopping samples or composing from scratch because I knew it would take a lot more brain power. Now that I understand basic music theory and educated my myself on sampling techniques my beats have elevated exponentially. We kind of live in an era where “trying” is seen as corny in away and it shows. I believe if more beat makers educated themselves on music theory and different sampling techniques instead of looping that would help
Music makers can argue that recording something into a hardware sequencer and playing live is not equal to editing loop tracks into a song, but the audience isn’t concerned with the process.
I would say this is a bit ignorant. Some of those in the audience do care, and other creators can be part of that audience too. It's not just about the final product is it, there's a lot that can come from one single piece of work. New ideas, techniques, visions, creative changes, unique directions that inform more than just the simple listening of a song. If the audience didn't care how music was made at all, we would never have any population interested enough to make music in the first place.
yeah man it's "whatever it works" but if you just pray that your lazy beat you made in collaboration with 3 producers you dont even know and a loop from splice gets a placement, the whole process becomes more like a gambling for a song credit. there are artists that will use any garbo beat you make and maybe turn it to something good but to most of the producers those artists are like their trashbin for their work, not honest collaborations. these new age producers really want that pop record placement, but they will keep doing the same process over and over praying they get something out of it instead of thinking over what they're doing. if you dont want to get better by learning, with theory or your own mistakes, you can make all the beats you want and send all the emails but you still will not connect with the artist you really like, you will not get a long term collaboration and friendship. the whole producing process has been annihilateed and it's so passive, not fun and uneffective it's crazy
Personally, I have nothing against producers finding success using Splice loops. :) However, I was never drawn to using loops myself - I’ve always wanted to develop the skills to create something entirely from scratch. The downside of this approach was producing beginner-level tracks for the first several years, haha. That said, I’ve recently come to realize that many beatmakers are simply excited about creating something cool, without necessarily having the internal desire to work on a more "micro" level.
Make a track that bangs then you can talk about it - has anyone ever said, “this hit would have been so much better if it weren’t for the “splice sample kick drum” - make a track that slaps -
i agree with every point youve made. in my opinion, these days, people aren't as creative or artistic as they were from back in the day. It's all a cash grab but fuck it just make the music that you like.
I always groan when a producer does a beat breakdown of some insane beat and it starts off saying all the insane parts were a totally unmanipulated loop that their man made and they're just going to breakdown how you drop a premade loop into a project and add drums when a sample has no drums... which is ultimately a waste of a video. I can't imagine there's anybody making beats who needs a breakdown on that.
its always been this way. Since sampling became a thing theres been weak producers who just take a whole peice of music and loop it. Most hiphop songs take 5 mins to make. Thats not "producing". In general dont take music advice from hiphopers!!
@@rikmonoliveloopsbasslines9379 i disagree, sampling and hiphop are their own artform with their own rules, and its been the most prevelant music genre for a long time now so theres something to that id say
I find it hard to use the premade loops. The other day my daughter made a melody which I sampled. Then she added some notes and played out 808s. I added the drums. I thought it came out good - ua-cam.com/play/OLAK5uy_mjD5hcWHq-XKqnMumrV3C3w1RoSNcEXPw.html&si=VI5XD0_EOjVMVMlo
Personally, I do think that looping samples from an old record is kind of lazy. ( I do it myself sometimes tbh). But I wasn’t aware that certain hardware like the old MPCs and SP-404 is what gave it a certain texture and that “dusty” feel. Recently I been figuring out on how to replicate that processing into my FL Studio. That has been very gratifying tbh
Nah he chops most his samples or scratches them if they ain't long enough like in 10 crack Commandments one of the few beats of his that loop is the track insp-her-ation
Here's my take on this. Use loops to develop a feel for the groove. Then learn what makes those beats (Uh, learn some music theory), then you can literally "Make Beats" on your own. Practically out of thin air. But that's if they want though.
I like a loop here or there but personally not really genre based. Like to me it would lame af to look up say Trap, and make a whole beat just using trap loops lol
Anyone COULD dig for records and do the knowledge to find rare gems nobody has flipped before but not everybody does. Just like how not everybody chooses to learn an instrument. Like u said, they’re different art forms, but i wouldn’t say one is more impressive than the other. Alchemist could never be a classically trained musician and a classically trained musician couldn’t do what he does. Both require a lifetime of dedication and we all got the same 24
if someones able to get a result or effect you're trying to get by doing something you consider lazy, thats a flex. so yeah u right that said, i wouldnt be quick to conclude that people dont know what theyre doing. maybe they lack musicianship or some tangible skills but its all means to an end of making an interesting, inspired piece of sound that can maybe also be a piece of culture. knowing the culture is more important than knowing "music"
Theres a decline of people looking at music like an art form. Less people making music for the pure love of music rather than cause it jus sounds cool or cause they wanna make money or cause they wanna make a genre
It is hard to say. I feel like on the one hand, it makes sense to take a sample and beat it up. Kinda like a like a less is more situation. However, on the other other hand, I can see why people call it lazy or "not a producer". Idk people associate numbers with success and the public doesn't care since they don't know the in's and outs of what music is. Like you said, as long as it sounds good it doesn't really matter how you made it.
dont forget the difference between producers and beatmakers. Metro boomin beatmaker, Bonobo producer... totally dif. But about the topic I used to care about these weirdos putting sample together and calling "my music" but after a time I understand that exist a moral thing that some people in art dont care and I cant do nothing...so I do my thing and let ppl do their thing. But the fun fact is..when Im in a studio around a bunch youngers and they throw loops in the sessions cut stuff and they see me doing the opposite making my sounds from scratch, morphing tiny sound into something big, writting chords and melodys direct from my brain they look to me like I was the etiopian Jesus. lmao. And my nigga I have to say... thats priceless. :)
It's weird because I feel like if you use a sample in a new way then I say it's cool because at the end of the day no one really cares about how you made it. The other truth is pros use samples too.
at the end of the day, who gives a fuck? whatever it takes to make a good song... samples are essentially a way of collab. if the consumer aproves, it does not matter.
@lambd01d A human has to actually play the music written on sheets, if not, they're just notes on a piece of paper. And you also have to have musical training to be able to do it. You yourself cannot and will not write a paragraph in Arabic unless someone taught you how. With drawing in notes, the computer plays the lines a person draws in, not them. Not remotely close of a comparison… At all. That's like asking what's the difference in shooting a bullet at someone using a gun vice just throwing the bullet at them. 🥴
Im with you on writing my own music. It feels good to write your own shit. However 99% of listeners dont give a shit if you wrote it, and these days probably assume you didnt. I love to sample as well, BUT it has to be transformative. I have found some amazing loops on records that are super satisfying and awesome as a lover of hiphop, but i personally cant release sampled material unless ive done it in a way that you cant pick it out. Its all about being transformative in a way that doesnt degrade the source material or blatantly rip it off. As for using splice loops: We all have to start somewhere. No shame in getting your feet wet. When i was a kid it was mtv music maker on Playstation 1 and just stacking loops. Thats what initially keeps the flame burning, but eventually you grow (hopefully) and expand your horizons. No shame in using splice loops if they meet the same criteria mentioned above. Make it your own somehow. My personal issue with splice is that its all curated and right there for millions of people to access. Makes it less of an adventure. Part of the art of sampling is listening to music and being the curator. Which leads to the importance of gatekeeping in hip hop production. Thats not to say we shouldnt be supportive of each other, but you cant just be giving out sauce and access to things that took you years and years to hone. There's so much oversaturation in hiphop related content on youtube. The whole youtube "beatmaker" scene i personally feel is a blight on the art of hiphop. I feel like the algorithm is to blame.
@@gristforthemill you're spot on here, i feel the same way about sampling i prefer for it to not be recognizable usually if i plan to drop it. and yes, splice is perfect for beginner producers but unfortunately it also attracts people who only care about fast money and not the art of music production
The drum track from Rihanna's "Umbrella" is from the stock Garage Band loop library, on every Mac on the planet.
Yes, which is a good lesson. Her voice and the lyrics are the relevant part of the song that make it a hit. She was born a star.
@@mjrisinsd6836 I feel like her #1 selling point is perfect skin, symmetrical face, her audacity- singing skills are not near the top but as we know, it hasn't been about that for a long time now! Any church or community college will have a better singer.
@ yeah, but that is a big part of it as well. Performance is more than technical mastery. Virtuosos overlook so much, but you generally can’t get through to them. Pop music is not complicated.
@@mjrisinsd6836 Yup you said it perfectly when you said don't look for fantastic high art on pop radio!
It's not about any of that in big name normie pop, as long as you have half decent songwriting and good production with a marketing team who can bring your otherwise mediocre music to a wider audience you'll succeed. That's the problem with a lot of music in the modern day, it stems directly from big music corporations' need to make more money through creating more well known artists. No real artistic merit or soul to it, just board room style decisions.
The main difference between using a Splice loop (or any other company's pre-made loops) vs sampling from vinyl or cassettes etc. is that the Splice loops are already a perfect loop and perfectly in tune. You can easily search for what you want and it will pop right up without much work. Yes you still have to "dig" I guess... but with vinyl, you have to really find the samples yourself (and have a good ear / taste for what is dope), make sure they are in tune, chop, quantize & timestretch to stay on tempo since a lot of old songs don't have a consistent bpm. More skills, care and creativity is needed for the "old school" way in my opinion. With all of that being said, I feel anyway you do it is still producing. Using pre-made loops is just the newer way of doing it and I respect it fully. I love to do it all. I make my own music and original samples from scratch, chop samples from vinyl and cassettes, and use pre-made melodies from time to time.
@@StevenQBeatz i agree! at the end of the day music is art and there are no rules
if you can tune or time samples then the world is small to you...
what I hate more is people sampling youtube
It's whatever works.
Literally.
You can record every part of the beat yourself on microphones, tune it all, put it together on tape, etc. and it can still not hit.
It just matters if it feels good or not or succeeds as a piece of music that makes people move/or be moved.
I know folks look at the tech and say "this isn't art" but the amount of effort to get a result isn't indicative of how great art can be.
From my own personal experience -- I've done plenty of both.
I will say, when I play my own guitar parts and my own drum sequencing, there is more organic quality to it. I personally like those tracks a bit more because I can feel that personal flair coming across.
BUUUUT I eventually learned how to manipulate clean samples into sounding very analog and like a band in a room. That was a challenge within itself.
I had to learn how do you take all these samples like players in a room and make them all work together so it sounds like an indie band somehow because I don't have access to a band, but I wanted to make that kind of music.
And I think you make really great points -- it's not "fair" but that's how it goes.
Look at the Gorillaz song how Damon showed that one interviewer that the entire melody to that shit is just a basic preset on some crappy keyboard that he loved.
Does that song not still hit because the melody was "easy"? Hell no! It hits!
Whatever works.
@@Shinyshoesz 100% spot on, its all about what makes the creator happy and what the listeners enjoy hearing!
perfect response.
That’s such a corny idea, you let people be lazy
The argument that "whatever works works", taken to its extremes can mean that the ends justify the means, no matter what they are. Exploitation, abuse, deprivation, manipulation, heck, slavery, eliminating the competition; if they work, then they work right?
Now, in the case of making music, it doesn't go quite that far, and you could say that I've used some unfair examples to make a point, and you'd be right.
Just because life's unfair, and that's how the world is, and what works works, still doesn't mean that thing is right. Now that's just a criticism of the argument but let's talk about making music.
If it's unfair that it's easy to make music using samples, then it's equally fine for those artists to be criticized for using samples lazily. It's whatever happens right?
It's true that it's lazy, uncreative, uninspired- and sometimes it gets traction, and sometimes it doesn't. But that's like saying you'd listen to AI music if it were good- and maybe you would, but you get me?
Part of music is the expertise, the experience, the creativity, the journey, the struggle, the uniqueness, the individuation, the authenticity of expression to make something profound, and if you're just mashing samples lazily, much worse if you stole them, then why is that worth any recognition or praise at all?
Of course, there are some who add a lot of creative value alongside their use of sampling; so everything falls on a spectrum and you know yourselves.
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mashing loops is like mashing paintings for a collage. You’re not painting.
@@motcUS true, but youre still making art!
@ I agree! You are still an artist! Just touching on the initial composing bit ig ❤️
The shitty thing is that visual collages are immediately obvious even to untrained eyes. Whereas you'll have no idea when you're listening to a splice sample unless you're already a producer that's heard the sample on Splice. Even the prior sampling methods of back in the day were far more obvious to everyone. Flips of 70s hits, amen breaks, etc. Now, I never know just how much credit to give a producer. If that even matters any more
but when u r using pre made instruments you havent made them and u havent made the software u r using and u havent build the computer u r using so its just about where we put the barrier between what is art and what is not as technology progresses we will get further and further with this barrier, i suppose whithin some period of time using ai to make a beat from just one prompt will be acceptable
@ This is nonsense. You are talking about being a luthier or a software dev, that is not composing music. Those things are still important but coding an oscillator isn’t the same as composing.
It’s about your ability to select. Ironically a lot of people trained in classical or jazz struggle with this basic concept
I love this. I just started music theory and producing and was feeling self conscious bc i want to make it all from scratch with no background. While clips and loops would maybe get me on the road faster, im here to make art
Do it all from scratch mate:)
@@reallychillgoose music should be fun, so if you want to learn composing in the background while using samples/loop id say go for it!
Music theory will deff increase your production skills 💯
choosing the samples is the talent, i think the more you do to manipulate the samples into something that fits vocals, the more likely a good song will come of it, if you really take pride in producing, you will probably want to do it from scratch, if you just want the best end product, use whatever.
@@iziahleahan i think it really depends on the song/sample, sometimes additional manipulation to a sample is unnecessary and the song works better if its just looped as is
@ exactly. I think I try to manipulate things the slightest to decrease likelihood of content Id issues. But I agree. I think if you like the sample use it. But throwing a drum loop on a melody and calling it a day isn’t going to have the composition of a hit. Nice video though. I was just listening to a Tyler interview, where he talked about forgetting about making money, and just to focus on loving the art. It’s hard when you want to make money, but need to focus on the art. Keep it up bro, subbed
This is a good topic. A lot of artists on the stones throw label, and hiphop inspired me to make music, composing a piece definitely makes me feel more accomplished when it comes to getting what's inside, outside. That being said sampling was always a huge part of hiphop, it really forces you to learn music in a different way, a form of music appreciation if you will. If you feel really connected to a certain song and you want to sample It, It's like telling a story of your personal connection to the song being sampled, It's like giving reverence with your own personal flair.
All of these creative processes are subject to being adopted into a business and or bastardised for the sake of making money.
@@delwolf159 i love this perspective, escaping the pull of money and business as an artist is near impossible
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thank you so much! i think this is the first superchat ive gotten, i really appreciate it!
yk another thing i'm annoyed with? people who "make" beats on websites using super generic loops that you forget immediately after. there's no musical talent there, there's nothing that really grabs your attention, there's no skill involved. it's just mashing things together until you have something you think sounds good
i don't use loops. ill steal vocals from songs to remix but that's as far as i go with that, and even then, i'm still creating an ENTIRELY different track around the vocals. i throw out the original instrumental entirely and make a whole new song with the vocal.
i have a buddy who does generative AI music and he writes his own lyrics. i wouldn't say he's necessarily a "producer" but he puts time into the tracks and sometimes has to regenerate portions of it but he's still writing his own lyrics, so i can respect that much more than someone who takes a drum loop and melody loop and mashes them together to create the most boring and uncreative "beat" i've ever heard.
i think it has become too easy for people to make low-effort slop, and not just with ai, not just with loops but in general. the last 4-5 years (at least) have been filled with generic slop that buries the creative and genuinely good artists. It's been hard finding good artists because when you click some random persons song/beat here on youtube, you just have to hope they know what they're doing.
i've heard it all. beats that clip and introduce shitty sounding distortion, over compression, NO COMPRESSION, no limiting, no side chaining, dry as fuck signals that they didn't even bother to put a reverb or chorus on, it's maddening. i wanna return to the days where we had to have GOOD music to put it online because it's too easy for people to put average or below average music online
rant over lol
@@growingoaks haha i feel the frustration! i think all we can do is making something that stands out and hope that its bright enough to shine through the slop
@@sleepfieldro that's part of it BUT ALSO, the almighty algorithm doesn't immediately bless you. it's more of a "slow burn" thing and i'm fine with that but fuck man, it makes me wish that were was more gatekeeping in general cuz i've realized something
gatekeeping is needed for a healthy community. without any sort of gatekeeping, any tourist can come through. i've been doing this for over 10 years and i've met A LOT of people who just quit after a few years when they dont make it. so many people will upload shitty music and then it stays up there when they just abandon it.
Speaking facts I agree with average below sounding music most of it is pure trash I listen to other artists I’m like this isn’t it.
@ man we need a platform where each submission is reviewed before posting 😂 we gotta have some quality control fr
@@growingoaks That will never happen. It's good that the lowest denominator can make music.
What happens is a lot of quick to results to producers will leave the game at some point and you'll prevail in the game.
And Music has always been about taste rather than skill. I use to know great pianist or guitarist who couldn't make beats better than mine(Mouse clicker at the time).
This is a more complex topic then most people realize given all the variables involved . My attitudes towards using loops have changed over the years , and with new tech and the crazy grey area's in copyright , it's messy at best in some cases . Good or bad I avoid any turmoil by playing all instruments myself these days . Love the vid . Thanks CAMCURSE
Im in the digital artwork world and let me tell you.
Creators hate each other in that world too… photobashing (taking pictures and mashing them to make new pieces) and tracing is widely unaccepted but some of the most popular artists do that including industry pros for fighting game artwork in the 90s up until today.
Its crazy that when they find out your process they get upset.
Music is the same way. It’s all dope until they find out its a loop.
I think creators just hate each other
I get that there are people who feel otherwise. But personally for me as a multi instrumentalist my whole life, I don't get that excited or feel all that proud of my work when I use samples, unless I'm really messing with them like with a granluator or using tiny bits for hocket
@@BobrLovr totally valid, i feel similar at times
Really? Marshmello dropped a new tutorial. He used a riser sample saying he was going to make is own but got too used to the sample he was using so he just kept it. You'd be surprised by how many producers actually use these loops and samples out there.
if I where a multi Instrumentalist, I'd feel the same haha
@AFRoSHEENT3ARCMICHAEL69 no I'm not surprised because I know that's how it is. And it's why I'm not that enamored by electronic music anymore. I used to worship the ground aphex twin walked on until I heard all the samples he used. Its a personal hangup, not saying everyone should feel this way
Its all about how you flip samples
It might not be the most creative thing to do but there’s something to be said for being able to look at the bigger picture and know when two things will work well together. There’s so much grey area with producing/engineering overlap
I agree. That's basically arrangement
A producer should generally not make music with the goal to satisfy other producers expectations or impress other producers. You end up with something not quite hitting the mark, generally. Something not as many people can appreciate. Although i do f with data music.
Maybe not exactly on the topic but
@@dtown5id nah im following, that definitely happens in all communities of art, making art for other similar artists
wild to think that sampling from youtube wasn't ok and then madlib been doing it steady for years. My philosophy that I got from one of my mentors was, if it sounds good, it is good. chasing after the "proper" way to make a beat is a trap and overtime becomes harder to get out of. The story goes a guy wanted to do it right so he sampled off of vinyl, then he wanted to do it righter so he learned to play his own instruments, then he wanted to do it even more right and then made his own drum, then he decided to grow his own hide for drums and became a farmer and now doesn't have time for music lol
dope comment
@@AkashGamana lol yes ive heard this same analogy, i agree as long as it sounds good thats what ultimately matters!
I just think music should be intentional. The methods are up for discussion but they're not important as the intention.
At some point in the early 2010s I got addicted to making trap beats. One day I listened to like a 100 of my trap beats and they didn't sound like me(the person), even though I created everything from scratch and people appreciated the music.
The real kicker came from me going back to making music intentional. I had to stay away from producing to regain the fire of being a real producer instead of going through motions.
It's all about the music; expressing yourself and how it makes the listeners feel at the end of the day! It's really interesting to see how people mix and approach samples in completely different ways. I feel that it is a beautiful way of expressing yourself, especially when done creatively.
But to me the problem is most people seem to look at music as sole proprietorship, which isnt what music is about at all to me. Its just fucking music bro. If some dude played a harp in his underwear in some unknown location and it just happened to be something I thought was perfect in my beat at a different tempo and key with whatever processing, thats a beautiful thing. And thats how that person wanted to be involved with music too, they're the one who put it up.
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I dig this. Well said, man. Im a composer first, but I do enjoy making beats. It's a different artform...different skillset (with some overlap). I think most seasoned producers can discern quality, and most of the time, they can pick out if someone is using loops or not. Some of us nerds might even recognize the sample or pack if it hasnt been processed 😅...but at the end of the day, I say do what brings you joy...not everyone has time or willingness to go deep into it..some folks want a quick after work beat to chill or rap too....and i think beginning producers can learn alot by putting loops together...arrangement, developing ear... im not past starting out with loops for some inspiration... and certainly use reference tracks....especially if working on a sync project. They can be great song starters...but give credit where credit is due!
Listening to DJ Playero from the 1990s made me realize that you can compose on loops in a way that changes the whole vibe or genre, also how to use 2 loops from two different genres into one cohesive song.
00:25, 02:00 depends what's the purpose and meaning behind it, if it's just some industrious approach in attempt to make more money in short time you're more of a hustler than a producer, but also sometimes it makes more sense to loop 4 bar soul record piece and leave it at that than making it more complex/complicated just for the sake of it, but in that case it is justified with other reasons than laziness or lack of creativity, sampling actual records is usually harder to execute too, especially for beginners, if someone can honestly justify artistically taking splice loop and putting drums over it then I'm okay with that, but what I see most often it's done because someone lacks creativity, musical reference and just being lazy. Same applies to some sample based beatmakers too. They are usually lazy creatively, but they often hustling if it comes to selling the beats.
01:20 if it comes to youtube it's some most stupid thing I've encountered, most people eq highs out from wav samples anyway lol, there are some records that are sounding worse in wav than some 128/96kbps records from youtube, you should treat samples like a mold and decide if a certain one fits to execute your idea/vision or not, most people even won't tell the difference, especially the consumers of the end product
03:10 If it's for the sake of learning that's 100% fine, another great way to learn music production in 2024/2025 is taking your favorite songs from genre u wanna produce in, stem separate them, adjust the bpm in the project & analyze it bar by bar while trying to execute something similar under the stems in the same file, also arrangement wise
03:48 sampling is indeed a different type of art form than composing from scratch, but you can also merge two, making sample based beats is not always just chopping the sample and making the loop out of it
04:10 haha yea that's more or less what I've written above, I agree, you can make plenty of money in smaller niches too, just requires hard work and a bunch of networking, learning how to sell and talk to people, know how to gather and interpret databases quickly
06:35 gatekeeping is usually okay and genuine as long as it doesn't serve just the purpose of preserving someones fragile ego
08:30 yea that's what I've written, but often the 4 bar loop left untouched & pitched 200 cents up is just the thing that compliments an artist the best on the song, chopping it up automatically makes it more bouncy & aggressive, creating different groove which may not be the goal of the producer in a certain moment
09:05 honestly I've learned so much about music from listening to full records for samples, it's the best thing you can do if you have spare 2-3 hrs daily imo, especially if you're young and you want to develop musical skills and taste, you can also find plenty of records on obscure blogs, soulseek etc.
The only time i use splice is to test genres out that I haven't tried before. Then, 2 hours later, i just deleted the whole track, lol.
@@bullymaguire23 lol thats fair!
I make all my beats organically
@@AndreyEvermore hell yeah! id love to know what you define as "organic"
@@sleepfieldro like I make my sounds then play the melody on piano my music is on the channel I comment with
If you are able to produce song that makes it to the radio or gets to the worlds top 50 on Spotify , You Are A Producer... No matter what how to put that song together. In the end its the public that decides what is a good song or not , not another producer.. But i agree with some points people on commenting on.. Merry Christmas & Happy New Year too everyone ..👍
Always start with mindset " today I really want creating or crafting a good song "
If needed or to make more lively inspired , you can just use loops or whatever samples as a starting guide which you can erase latter .
If the final song lost the coolness or greatness simply because those loops/samples not in there anymore , that`s mean we need to going back to make adjustments with the song itself
@@morizanova good point! ive definitely used the method you mentioned many times
making everything in midi is the most satisfying thing ever. (it's like completing a puzzle) nothing can take that from me 😂 (no audio-music related background)
Art vs Business… that’s the title of the music industry 👌🏾💯💯
bro what camera are you using... Also great conversation starter.. SUBBED!!!!!
i fully agree. as someone who makes sample beats. i find it hard to actually make my own sounds because like bruh. what would i even use lol. a lot of stuff i have made which are unreleased or not. i know some on my channel have this. but i like to sample notes in songs an create my own loops with them an that, it sort of reminds me of Timberland as i know he has done that sort of stuff too. when it comes to me sampling music. i normally opt out of just looping something and leaving it. instead i lift them and add my own shii to them like drums and that; i also add other sounds sometimes too. point is though sometimes like you said. composing your own sounds takes a hella long time and as someone who goes to college an d is studying a language and more. it is hard to balance these things out lol. so it is much easier for me to sample a note from a song and try and make something out of it ya feel.
also i love your camera lmao, i like how it turns when you turn an that, i haven't seen anyone with a camera set up like that before aha
Tbh whatever gets you from point A to point B in terms of quality and satisfaction. Thats a different standard for everyone, always keep your mind/ options open.
why is the camera following bro
He set it that way you can do that on your phone
personally i like sampling and making from scratch. if people are having fun and the music is great and its not straight up copy and paste i dont see why people are mad at that. its like people forgot why they became music producers in the first place. people will always talk no matter what lane in life just do what makes you happy.
I'm a vocal engineer. I could mix and master whatever but I like mixing voices. There's a real art to maximizing someone's voice. When I make music I don't use vocal presets. I just think it takes the fun out of mixing. I also can't use presets because I don't have anything to do that. I essentially mix my voice in a way that's purely fine tuned to the instrumental I am using. SO across all my songs I sound very different. But it works. Most people would prolly say my music is trash off first rip because that level of consistency isn't there even within the track itself but its not about the consistency its about what sounds good. I always approach music from a sound design perspective. If the sound fits, it fits. IMO way too many rappers force presets onto beats that like bro turn the auto tune down just a bit, let your voice blend into the mix more here and there, etc etc yes your voice will sound different but with the beat it goes so hard. The sound design goes hard. I don't know music theory either really beyond basics, I purely make music off what I hear.
We live in a world that rewards cooperation over creativity so you are always going to get the bland socialites running the circus
@@DoorskipDNB true!
I literally only extract midi from obscure Mediterranean commercials and flip it. Than I contact the library of congress and start buying up as many patents as possible. And than I bury my intellectual opposition with dope ass diss tracks that they wrote.
@@knotdone5292 the only way to create authentic music!
@sleepfieldro Lol but all jokes aside brother this was a very insightful video, and a rather refreshing take on an issue that most people seem to be toxic about, rather than opening a dialouge like this
I think he’s absolutely right in what he says. Working with loops, pre-made drums, and pre-mixed hi-hats takes away a lot of creativity. Using a drum machine, starting from scratch, drawing inspiration from sounds on records, like kicks or snares, and creating everything from A to Z is a real challenge. Not only does it take time, but you also need good machines and high-quality samplers to bring your ideas to life. It’s a much harder way to work, but that’s what real music production is about. That’s how a true composer or an authentic beatmaker is supposed to work.
Nowadays, people often settle for a keyboard, a mouse, and a screen. Using ready-made loops or pre-designed melodies doesn’t encourage creativity. You’re no longer really composing; you’re assembling pieces like a puzzle, trying to fit each part into its place.
That said, more and more producers are returning to drum machines, crafting their own kicks, snares, and hi-hats, and fully composing their tracks. They choose their own reverb, delay, distortion, and carefully add these elements to their productions. I understand that this approach takes time and money, but the result is much more original and creative than simply pasting loops from websites or using pre-made melodies.
I believe great days are ahead for beat-making because we’re seeing more and more people working with advanced machines and samplers, challenging themselves, innovating, and creating truly original sounds. It’s slowly but surely making a comeback.
One very important point I want to emphasize is that when everything becomes easy, when we always choose convenience without putting in effort or thought, everything ends up sounding the same. All music starts to have the same color. When you listen to certain songs on streaming platforms, you can immediately tell: “Oh, that melody came from this website.” That’s where the difference lies: an unrecognizable, unique piece of music is one that required time and effort. On the other hand, a track that’s instantly recognizable for its simplicity is often based on pre-made elements.
i only make the exception for this with drums. I think drum loops are perfectly fine to use as 99% of people can't tell anyways. Melodys i think should be edited and messed with heavily and then it becomes cool, i think a lot of the fun of producing is in the manipulation of sound
I'd say I appreciate original music more than sampled music for the most part. It usually takes more effort and creativity to produce original music. Though sampled music has a wide range of complexity and difficulty, like you said. Its almost like photoshopping existing media with templates vs creating your own media from scratch in graphic design.
yeah exactly! like making a collage vs a painting
man thank you bro for saying this on camera in front of the world thank you i blame hiphop
i am a new producer and really just do it as a hobby. I mostly create the chords, melodies and bass etc from scratch with my keyboard piano. I do however sometimes use pre done drum patterns (not the whole beat but for example like , like a kick sequence, then i have to try and identify the snare sequence i want to layer on it etc... As i become better at use FL studio i hope i will be able to make all the drum patterns myself. Its fun to do so. On the ocasssions i have done the drum patternes from scratch they have taken time but it is rewarding.
Love the mindset, I'm a new producer that use a web daw called " Soundtrap" for 12 months as I was hardcore gaming I was using loops for those 12 months but after I realize I was talented as a producer I decided to cut gaming and I randomly started using Ableton 12 because my internet was out and I had the trial downloaded, so I started doing my work using only the instruments and piano roll. I pretty made a lot of great tracks as a newbie not using loops but the process can take longer but I love it more than loops because the freedom is there unlike using someone loops but I know where I started so I would not even knock it. The way my minded worked the moment I swap programs was "use instruments' the loops did not even come to mind besides my first two tracks I use a drum clip to kind of get the feel of the program, but I added my own drums in between. On my day one I made a horror track using sound effects mix with the instruments but it's very fun to create what your mind want with how you feel from doing piano roll work. Music is indeed art like you said, for me I want to see how far I can get with my hard work and talent, so far I been making a track everyday and posting so in between my break this video came up perfectly. Great video roro, new sub and looking forward to the content.
Been making beats for 15 years. Sometimes I'll make original music, but sampled beats in the early 90s is what I grew up loving so I usually stick to sampling. Splice loops are way too clean and synthetic sounding for my taste. I like beats that sound like they were made in a dark musty basement, as opposed to a clean studio with LED lights all over.
@@doze_beats380 i feel this, but if youre making the aesthetic of dusty beats on a computer i think its a little disingenuous. not hating, i do the same thing, but its really all about preference and perspective
@sleepfieldro so many successful people make their dusty beats on computers and I'd never call them disingenuous, personally.
All art is commercial
I meant to say that I have heard records from Tory Lanez, H.E.R., and a few others using straight up no changes to them Splice loops with drums added to the beat, that I have in my own library from DopeBoyzMuzic so it's whatever I guess. They jammin too lol.
No ones gonna win a Grammy, if you just drag and drop.
@@Adsterr sabrina carpenter "espresso" used a splice loop and was nominated for two grammys
I agree. On my channel I use an MPC X, Daw and as much hardware as I have room for. Always trying to create or mx up some sounds to take them out of thier original form before I go in. Sometimes I loop stuff but usually only when it asks for it. Keep it Original
I genuinely feel that this is a skill Gap issue People who are over reliant on unchanged splice loops haven't explored or dedicated enough time to actually learning their own style in production. Are you splice all the time but you would never guess what samples I use that are splice loops because I might build a whole instrumental around a splice loop or I might overdub a piano chop with my own piano playing. I also play guitar and bass guitar so it's all about cultivating a style enhancing dynamics and figuring out what you want the sample to say. I don't think I've ever picked the sample and it said what I wanted to say. There's always a texture I can add or a method in which I can chop it to make it mine
Admittedly I always stayed away from chopping samples or composing from scratch because I knew it would take a lot more brain power. Now that I understand basic music theory and educated my myself on sampling techniques my beats have elevated exponentially. We kind of live in an era where “trying” is seen as corny in away and it shows. I believe if more beat makers educated themselves on music theory and different sampling techniques instead of looping that would help
Music makers can argue that recording something into a hardware sequencer and playing live is not equal to editing loop tracks into a song, but the audience isn’t concerned with the process.
@@itsgbox92 i agree 100%! as long as the song is good thats really all that matters at the end of the day
I would say this is a bit ignorant. Some of those in the audience do care, and other creators can be part of that audience too. It's not just about the final product is it, there's a lot that can come from one single piece of work. New ideas, techniques, visions, creative changes, unique directions that inform more than just the simple listening of a song.
If the audience didn't care how music was made at all, we would never have any population interested enough to make music in the first place.
While people are arguing about these things. We are making music. 💯
People don’t care about the process. It’s about the product.
I would take sampled piano hits and pitch them up and down the keyboard. It would sound awful, but it took so much time 😂
yeah man it's "whatever it works" but if you just pray that your lazy beat you made in collaboration with 3 producers you dont even know and a loop from splice gets a placement, the whole process becomes more like a gambling for a song credit.
there are artists that will use any garbo beat you make and maybe turn it to something good but to most of the producers those artists are like their trashbin for their work, not honest collaborations.
these new age producers really want that pop record placement, but they will keep doing the same process over and over praying they get something out of it instead of thinking over what they're doing. if you dont want to get better by learning, with theory or your own mistakes, you can make all the beats you want and send all the emails but you still will not connect with the artist you really like, you will not get a long term collaboration and friendship.
the whole producing process has been annihilateed and it's so passive, not fun and uneffective it's crazy
Personally, I have nothing against producers finding success using Splice loops. :) However, I was never drawn to using loops myself - I’ve always wanted to develop the skills to create something entirely from scratch. The downside of this approach was producing beginner-level tracks for the first several years, haha.
That said, I’ve recently come to realize that many beatmakers are simply excited about creating something cool, without necessarily having the internal desire to work on a more "micro" level.
We all started out like that tho lol
@prod.yeetohead as long as the creator is excited about what they are making i think thats the most important thing!
We?
Make a track that bangs then you can talk about it - has anyone ever said, “this hit would have been so much better if it weren’t for the “splice sample kick drum” - make a track that slaps -
Nice nuanced approach.
i agree with every point youve made. in my opinion, these days, people aren't as creative or artistic as they were from back in the day. It's all a cash grab but fuck it just make the music that you like.
I always groan when a producer does a beat breakdown of some insane beat and it starts off saying all the insane parts were a totally unmanipulated loop that their man made and they're just going to breakdown how you drop a premade loop into a project and add drums when a sample has no drums... which is ultimately a waste of a video. I can't imagine there's anybody making beats who needs a breakdown on that.
Regardless of where a sample comes from, the true artistry resides in what you do to call it a work of your own.
Im at that stage were Im gravitating more towards the sampling 😂
@@frankcoronabeats whatever you want to do is what you should do!
I use ableton and make everything from scratch, with a very proprietary work flow
personally I feel like the downside of sampling nowadays is that there is so much samples to choose from that it indeed makes it feel overwhelming.
its always been this way. Since sampling became a thing theres been weak producers who just take a whole peice of music and loop it. Most hiphop songs take 5 mins to make. Thats not "producing". In general dont take music advice from hiphopers!!
@@rikmonoliveloopsbasslines9379 i disagree, sampling and hiphop are their own artform with their own rules, and its been the most prevelant music genre for a long time now so theres something to that id say
If it's good it's good
The universal truth 💯
My beats are mostly organic, gluten free, and whole30 approved. Although most of my friends my best song is the one that uses several splice loops. ☠️
I find it hard to use the premade loops. The other day my daughter made a melody which I sampled. Then she added some notes and played out 808s. I added the drums. I thought it came out good - ua-cam.com/play/OLAK5uy_mjD5hcWHq-XKqnMumrV3C3w1RoSNcEXPw.html&si=VI5XD0_EOjVMVMlo
imma sample this youtube video for a Type beat
Omg finally someone said it!
"Yeah im a great guitar player"
"Did you build the guitar too?"
"No"
"Your art is 100% not valid"
is what the logic is like.
May Christ be with you my brother
I mainly sample but I started making original Mel’s earlier this summer
@@thomasmullins4054 awesome! hope its been fun
Personally, I do think that looping samples from an old record is kind of lazy. ( I do it myself sometimes tbh). But I wasn’t aware that certain hardware like the old MPCs and SP-404 is what gave it a certain texture and that “dusty” feel. Recently I been figuring out on how to replicate that processing into my FL Studio. That has been very gratifying tbh
Dj Premiere has been doing this for generations. Taking loops and combining them. It’s your ear that makes it
Nah he chops most his samples or scratches them if they ain't long enough like in 10 crack Commandments one of the few beats of his that loop is the track insp-her-ation
Here's my take on this. Use loops to develop a feel for the groove. Then learn what makes those beats (Uh, learn some music theory), then you can literally "Make Beats" on your own. Practically out of thin air. But that's if they want though.
I like a loop here or there but personally not really genre based. Like to me it would lame af to look up say Trap, and make a whole beat just using trap loops lol
Anyone COULD dig for records and do the knowledge to find rare gems nobody has flipped before but not everybody does. Just like how not everybody chooses to learn an instrument. Like u said, they’re different art forms, but i wouldn’t say one is more impressive than the other. Alchemist could never be a classically trained musician and a classically trained musician couldn’t do what he does. Both require a lifetime of dedication and we all got the same 24
No more loops no loops
if someones able to get a result or effect you're trying to get by doing something you consider lazy, thats a flex. so yeah u right
that said, i wouldnt be quick to conclude that people dont know what theyre doing. maybe they lack musicianship or some tangible skills but its all means to an end of making an interesting, inspired piece of sound that can maybe also be a piece of culture. knowing the culture is more important than knowing "music"
Theres a decline of people looking at music like an art form. Less people making music for the pure love of music rather than cause it jus sounds cool or cause they wanna make money or cause they wanna make a genre
Good points here broham. I appreciate your opinion.
It is hard to say. I feel like on the one hand, it makes sense to take a sample and beat it up. Kinda like a like a less is more situation. However, on the other other hand, I can see why people call it lazy or "not a producer". Idk people associate numbers with success and the public doesn't care since they don't know the in's and outs of what music is. Like you said, as long as it sounds good it doesn't really matter how you made it.
Use a loop = Diddy
Make the Loop = Prince
Beware of loop warriors
cool video bro. this is information you're sharing & i agree as well.
What if I told you that emulating established music styles is also _not_ particularly creative or innovative either.
dont forget the difference between producers and beatmakers. Metro boomin beatmaker, Bonobo producer... totally dif. But about the topic I used to care about these weirdos putting sample together and calling "my music" but after a time I understand that exist a moral thing that some people in art dont care and I cant do nothing...so I do my thing and let ppl do their thing. But the fun fact is..when Im in a studio around a bunch youngers and they throw loops in the sessions cut stuff and they see me doing the opposite making my sounds from scratch, morphing tiny sound into something big, writting chords and melodys direct from my brain they look to me like I was the etiopian Jesus. lmao. And my nigga I have to say... thats priceless. :)
new producers? you ever heard of p. diddy
it is boring, at least : wheni use a loop, cut it up, manipulate it
It's weird because I feel like if you use a sample in a new way then I say it's cool because at the end of the day no one really cares about how you made it. The other truth is pros use samples too.
@@AFRoSHEENT3ARCMICHAEL69 exacty! everyone has their own process and what works for them
at the end of the day, who gives a fuck? whatever it takes to make a good song... samples are essentially a way of collab. if the consumer aproves, it does not matter.
@@krisxmelderis agreed!
dude is someone holding the camera or something HOW IS it moving like that im losing my mind
Let's not even get started on "producers" that click every damn note in with a mouse.
What's the difference between that and a composer writing music on a bit of paper?
@lambd01d A human has to actually play the music written on sheets, if not, they're just notes on a piece of paper. And you also have to have musical training to be able to do it. You yourself cannot and will not write a paragraph in Arabic unless someone taught you how. With drawing in notes, the computer plays the lines a person draws in, not them. Not remotely close of a comparison… At all. That's like asking what's the difference in shooting a bullet at someone using a gun vice just throwing the bullet at them. 🥴
Using loops and all the pre made shit is a joke. Hopefully it gets openly frowned on soon
but i throw gross beat on them too!
@@WickedPawn as an ableton user i can proudly say ive never used gross beat lol
Im with you on writing my own music. It feels good to write your own shit. However 99% of listeners dont give a shit if you wrote it, and these days probably assume you didnt.
I love to sample as well, BUT it has to be transformative. I have found some amazing loops on records that are super satisfying and awesome as a lover of hiphop, but i personally cant release sampled material unless ive done it in a way that you cant pick it out. Its all about being transformative in a way that doesnt degrade the source material or blatantly rip it off.
As for using splice loops:
We all have to start somewhere. No shame in getting your feet wet. When i was a kid it was mtv music maker on Playstation 1 and just stacking loops. Thats what initially keeps the flame burning, but eventually you grow (hopefully) and expand your horizons. No shame in using splice loops if they meet the same criteria mentioned above. Make it your own somehow. My personal issue with splice is that its all curated and right there for millions of people to access. Makes it less of an adventure. Part of the art of sampling is listening to music and being the curator.
Which leads to the importance of gatekeeping in hip hop production. Thats not to say we shouldnt be supportive of each other, but you cant just be giving out sauce and access to things that took you years and years to hone. There's so much oversaturation in hiphop related content on youtube. The whole youtube "beatmaker" scene i personally feel is a blight on the art of hiphop. I feel like the algorithm is to blame.
@@gristforthemill you're spot on here, i feel the same way about sampling i prefer for it to not be recognizable usually if i plan to drop it. and yes, splice is perfect for beginner producers but unfortunately it also attracts people who only care about fast money and not the art of music production
if you dont want to learn music theory and sound design jus say that fr 😭
maneee, thats what I been talking about since this shit became so common. It's kinda infuriating.
new producers should never start out loops(prefferbaly dont start either but its whatever)
@BUKAYOSAKA_7 i think it depends on the end goal but overall i think its fine!