Well there is an option that makes him double down. You can convince him there’s hope which will have him dip you in fev thinking he just needs to do more testing.
@@garfellini2557 That is because the voters punish politicians for apologizing for their mistakes. Politicians who never admit their faults do much better with voters and win elections. Ultimately, voters make the politicians what they are.
@garfellini2557 That is because the voters punish politicians for apologizing for their mistakes. Politicians who never admit their faults do much better with voters and win elections. Ultimately, voters make the politicians what they are.
I haven’t even played the game but what makes it even sadder is that it’s his memory… the girl that says hope could’ve been his little girl or his wife I can’t tell how old the voice is.
The fact that the FEV infected mutant cyborg has more remorse and moral character then that of the supposedly "genetically superior" scientists within Vault Tech and the Enclave says a lot
I mean he didn’t have remorse for what he did he just realized it was a grand failure because mutuants were infertile iirc. If that wasn’t the case woah boy
@@Karmitify He explicitly reflects on how horrible the things he did are, and how he regrets doing them, now that he knows that the ultimate betterment and healing of mankind that he was striving for is not possible through the means he employed. He blows himself up because he cannot live with the guilt.
Better written too! But as for the Enclave in F2, these social Darwinist eugenists are literally made from the remnants of the MSM, intel community, the top brass of the military, and the deep state and in their perspective, they’re the good guys (even though they obviously aren’t).
@@Karmitifywell no shit. Why tf else would he care? He's doing all this to improve life damning himself to become like that and instead he find out 100s of years of this garbage has led to nothing cause his subjects can't breed. Fuck that's depressing dawg.
When I was younger I saw this while my father played and I was too young to understand, but I watched the sad expression on my fathers face and couldnt help but share it
to forgive is divine Well I'm not forgivin' and the error ain't mine They ain't quite human At least they're not to my eyes One sip of this and I'll give 'em the shock of their lives Yea, we got the guns and we got the bombs In deadshot heaven we pop, skulls for fun Zero in baby, zero on that spot The hot spot baby, give 'em, all you got So quit, complainin' About your bad aimin Just try, try again for me With the headshot power of deadshot daiquiri!@@CarlosGonzalez-pe8qr
People don't seem to grasp how devastating this actually is. He was intelligent and self aware enough to understand that his actions were inhuman and monstrous but he kept going because he truly believed that the end results would justify all of it and be worth it. That if he suceeded maybe it would somehow make up for all the pain and absolve him of his sin. But it didn't. It was literally pointless and he must now live with that.
reminds me of the time guy from wakfu. A Xelor who serves as the first season's primary antagonist, Nox is both incredibly powerful and quite insane. He travels the world and drains wakfu from everything he finds, reducing whole regions to barren wastelands. The series begins with him encountering Grougaloragran, and his obsession with the Dragon and his enormous supply of wakfu eventually sets him in opposition to Yugo. All for Nothing: His plan was ultimately doomed from the start as 200 years of research, gathering wakfu, and committing all sorts of atrocities in the process nets him... 20 minutes back in time, nullifying both his victory against the heroes and his life's work in one fell swoop. Nox: All the Wakfu gathered in 200 years... FOR TWENTY MISERABLE MINUTES!? Despair Event Horizon: The point where he hits this isn't when his Start of Darkness into becoming a Woobie, Destroyer of Worlds in his Origins Episode is completed. It's when his 200-year-long quest turns out to be All for Nothing and he realizes there's truly no bringing his family back nor erasing all of the world-scarring atrocities he committed in pursuit of that goal. All he can do is somberly bid the heroes a sincere farewell and use the last of his power to teleport himself to his family's graves, where he turns to dust. Detrimental Determination: One of the most gut-wrenchingly saddening cases of this trope ever put to animation. He's spent 200 years ceaselessly and obsessively collecting wakfu wherever he can, often forcibly extracting it from living beings without their consent under the justification that it won't matter once he changes history so these events never happened, and he's turned himself into little more than a monstrous zombie along the way whilst extending his lifespan to ensure he lives long enough to complete his goals. Every time something or someone gets in his way (or, in Grougaloragran's case, tries to talk him down), Nox always manages to work his way through or around it and keeps on going regardless of any setbacks. All of this so he can travel back in time to before his family died as an indirect consequence of his mistakes, and prevent their deaths while also erasing all the harm he's caused others to get there from the timeline. Tragically, Nox doesn't see until he's actually won and begins reversing time that his quest was doomed from the start, as not even one of the single most powerful sources of wakfu in the world is enough to reverse time by more than twenty minutes, meaning that all the death, destruction and misery he caused to achieve his goals can't ever be erased, which in turn means that the only legacy he'll leave behind once he turns to dust is that of a hated, mad genocider. This brutal revelation hits Nox like a country-sized ton of bricks.
Your message was doing great until you just had to insert "literally" for no reason other than the tendency of modern younger generation to overuse it. A piteous waste of an attempt at a sentiment. You actually made me mildly upset.
@@MidnaFeetEnjoyer I think you being upset about him correctly using the word 'literally' says a lot more about you than the original commenter. We all agree that overusing the word 'literally' is quite annoying, but that's caused you to be upset at someone using it in a correct context to properly emphasize that it was objectively a pointless endeavor instead of a subjective one. Relax, man.
It's been almost 20 years forward since F1 release... Most of the writting just sucks, Fallout 4 sucked, Outer World is a dissapointment and Cybertrash77 is just... I can't even describe how bad it is 😢
sadly with all the hardware limitations they had back then, the *only* selling points they had were characters and writing. Now, games no longer live or die based on the quality of it's characters and writing, so corners are cut and overall quality lowers as less effort is needed to make a successful game.
hilarious that you think the writing in CP2077 is bad. It's definitely one of the best storylines from the last decade. Rocky launch, but the game's characters and writing were always S-tier. @@danielsurvivor1372
@@sekira4516 also the people making the games were reaaaaaaaaally passionate about what they were doing, now its just college people who took a game design course and make the same cookie cutter dogshit with loot boxes and a battle pass, fcking even assassins creed has a battle pass where you can have iron man armor for 30 shekels. The last game that was really good would be red dead 2 I would say
1. Gaming has been set up to feed the "mainstream" masses rather then catering to smaller more intellectual audiences - vast majority of people have too low of an attention span to buy into or appreciate writing such as this. 2. The proliferation of DEI narratives has destroyed the freedom of developers as they're effectively pigeonholed into certain plot points or stories.
We despise and accuse The Master But Richard Monroe? He was a human, who thought he had found a way to fix a world gone mad, and in the end, when confronted with logic and facts chose to give the Wasteland hope.
@@ZombieGangster Fallout 2 could take itself seriously when it wanted to. Slopthesda could never. Moreover, Fallout was not a game chock full of humor, nowhere near as much as 2 or any subsequent entries. It was a serious take on a strange and fantastical world drawing on our own for inspiration.
Making a villain to see the error of its ways in a game its just so powerful, i say more powerful than any gun because whats better than a one shot? A fight where there wasnt a shot in the first place.
to be fair to Bethesda they did a similar thing with Eden in Fallout 3. they did a few callbacks such as Harold, or having to leave the vault due to being a hero
@@jefferyshaw3990 like how he said the soldier we see at the beginning of fallout 1 (the one laughing at the POW being executed) is Nate AKA the soul survivor just to say "nevermind" like 2 hours later
Todd Howard is a hack who would think styrofoam is spicy. He'd think playing a human fighter is the coolest character in D&D. Saying he has no taste is an insult to people whose taste buds are damaged.
@@lt8566 From a certain point of you. I would argue more hardship was caused by the humans. And even if they all got turned to mutants there would be less problems. They would not be able to reproduce. But that is quite literally the only issue. Every other premise of the masters plan was taken as a success the only downside was he couldn’t have any future people it would basically be Like everyone rode out the rest of humanity as a mutant and got along under his enlightened rule
@@smokedbeefandcheese4144 more so as the real issues with super mutants start after the master's death due to lack of guidance etc the amount of mutants that retained their full intelligence start dwindling till they are seen as freaks or "broken" by the others and cast out or killed, this led to wandering mutant bands roaming around the US in search of pre war army bases in the hope of finding more FEV Vats.
You know in your heart they'd be proud of you, no matter what. It just hurts when they aren't here to see you realize all of the potential they knew you had.
Ypu all seem to forget...the Master isnt one being. They are a conglomerate of many people thrown into the dip and added to the Master's biome, olus the super computer.
I knew the master was an AMAZING character but I never knew he was THIS deep, THIS human and THIS complex. This is everything I love about storytelling condensed into a single minute. A good man driven to justify terrible acts, only to realize it was for nothing.
Because a being who was fueled by madness was made to confront the failed logic of his own misguided atrocities. And what little humanity he had left, judged himself accordingly.
The thing about the Master that makes him sk great is that unlike the Enclave, or Ceasar, or Father he really was trying to make the world a better place and had a good heart. When he learned that all the terrible things did was for nothing he immidiatly shows remorse and stops the madness. He admits he was wrong. Doubt any of the other Fallout villains would be able to do that.
I would argue that Caesar was trying his best to make the world a better place. He saw the savagery and evil of the wasteland, the decadence and decay of the NCR, and chose the path of a conqueror. He’s like a Roman Caesar or a Greek Warlord. Ultimately taming the wasteland requires oppression. The NCR, East BS, hell even House all had their own flavor of oppression, but it’s all still oppression. If you read the fluff of the Legion there’s virtually no banditry in compliant lands and everyone has access to food, running water, and electricity
@@bozobrigade5704the legion was definitely an analysis of the nature of empires, things which have shaped our history and which society has idolized, which asks if the methods and relentlessness justifies the progress and unity
But for all.that to run the legion needs to be in a constant state of war and not to mention all that will crumble into faction when caeser is dead and gone, because they fallow the man not his ideals, with the sociaty is being stayed afloat by warfare, slavery and oppresion of human right it is doomed to fail in a explosion.@bozobrigade5704
The way his angry drill Sargent voice says Madness in a confused and sad tone, like he's a kid whos finally starting to get that hes done something terrible 😢
I’m convinced we’ll go to new era of good writing once AI makes media bleak, repetitive and soulless. A new dawn is coming for sure, we are almost out of this grey and bleak period
I love how the bad news is so BAD that the super computer actually needs to take a moment to understand it Edit: ohh boohoo he's not a super computer then now shut up
@@TheWheelman298 Yeah but he is at this point both a hivemind of many people as well as he is connected to various machinery that he assimilated. He is in a way mutant, hivemind, computer, cyborg and God knows what else at same time
Man or more technically it Just found out that every atrocity he had committed under the justification of progress was literally all for nothing and that he killed and mutated people for absolutely nothing as someone who was motivated towards the betterment of humanity. Yeah might take a moment to process that.
I really like how instead of making the final boss a conventional boss fight, you rather talk to him and convince him his ways are wrong. Very good writing
you have a conventional boss fight too if you dont have proof mutants are sterile the master will keep summoning mutants till you kill him also the robots only attack if you hide behind the pillars
Ngl, the master is hands down the best antagonist in the entire franchise. Dude was so interesting & layered, not to mention his grizzly appearance made him a threatening yet humanly villain. Wish there were more antagonists in the fallout series that were like this, the master really was an amazing character made for the bleakness of the original game
The Master is peak wrtiting. Unfortunately, I doubt we'll see this type of writing from Bethesda. Not that they're uncapable, but they simply don't want to.
I think a lot of people misinterpreted this scene. The truth is you're not convincing The Master his plan is evil, you're telling him that super mutants can't reproduce, and therefore his plan is doomed to fail. You didn't convince him he's evil, you convinced him that his plan was a completely useless, and that the wasteland is essentially doomed no matter what he does.
@@catpurrito5586 I believe my point still stands, as he only says this because he's convinced his actions were useless. If the super-muntants were not sterile, he likely would have considered his actions to be justified for the greater good.
What makes this even sadder is the fact that Harold (the old mutant) never knew if Richard made it out. “I…Couldn’t face the wasteland again, so…I never looked.” This line is what made Richard Grey such a tragic character to me.
Nah he still was lol. His plan was to basically mutate everyone into big green brain damaged monsters and castrated or killed anyone who didn't want it
I see The Master as a man who, through circunstance, became more than human. He could have broken after his mutation, but instead beheld the potential of what he saw, understood that he was elevated. The Master is a man who ultimately choose to become a god, to heal the world. But ultimately, his method was inherently failed, and once he discovers this, the would-be god couldn't bear the guilt, and choose to end all the evil he made. The Master died a man... just a man who wanted to heal our flawed species
Richard Moreau, a survivor of the Great War, doctor of The Hub and Master of the FEV army surpassed against all odds of death, until the dweller of vault 13 intervenes the outcome that was desired. Perhaps this was a reminder that he was still in some way, human.
i don't want the master to come back but unity as a faction lead by true believers in the masters original plan and all they do is try to cure mutant sterility would be cool
nah. you want a good villain since bethesda keeps putting out bad stories. don't taint great writing by bringing them back, they died better than many have lived.
@@jefferyshaw3990 true if bethesda did something like that theyd just pull a "The Master, somehow, survived." and just be a villain trying to exterminate normals or some shit
the FEV destroy the reproducting cycle by his very nature. the FEV try to repair damage DNA. the sperm and the eegcell bouth are a halve dna ( oversimplyfied) the FEV try to repair it resulting that bouth halves are more then a halve and a fussion of bouth dna are not longer possible. but for whaterver reasons by manny naimals and creatures was this diffrent. the wanamingo aliens have reproduce but slowly became steril. the wanamingos in F2 are the last generation. why low mutatet creaturs like wolves and deathclaws can breed even in latter fallout 4
His last words, his last word, literally being hope. The one thing the master clung to. Hope that tomorrow was a better day. Isint that what drives anybody? The Vault Dweller told the master that there wouldn't be a tomorrow. There was no better future for mutants. There was no hope. "Leave now, leave while you still have hope..."
The Master is someone who was blinded by the idea of perfection by thinking he is doing something good, what we saw as evil he saw a plan to make humanity better. After he realized he is going the wrong path he accepted his fate and destroyed everything he has created for good to stop the chaos he has created.
Time spent enjoyed, (as long as you're not procrastinating) isn't wasted. We all look back at our past actions and wish we could have done something different, or spent less time performing said action. You can't do anything about that. If you want to change, change for the future. Also, yes Diogenes was right.
@@frogblasttheventcore69 this is a subjective interpretation of what is best in life. When one considers joy to be the supreme pursuit then your argument holds true, but when we consider the laws and purpose of life as framed by nature and its patterns then security, prosperity, and proliferation are the measures of success. The issue then becomes that gaming is a pointless pursuit that does not bring one more prosperity, security, or healthier/numerous offspring. What is a man? One who shapes the world and builds a legacy and provides for his family while raising many children? Or someone who hunches in front of artifical lights and sounds for hours on end for the sole purpose of pleasure and entertaimment.
I love looking back on moments like these, such as this one, Joshua Graham and Gehrman from bloodborne. Some amazing insights into a character through the dialogue alone
AM from I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream, and The Master, are but the same, but are one in the opposite at the same time, if they met, they would argue over their opposing ideologies. The difference and similarity is, is that they both drive their suffering into humanity, as AM wiped out humanity that was thought to have prolong his suffering, while Master sacrificed his ordinary humanity, and suffered for continuing humanity itself. They are unironically human, and perhaps, maybe AM would grow hostile towards Master if he dares to put forth into humanity, but in the meantime, Master would persist to contradict AM's suffering-monologues and ideology, which would upset him, I mean, AM knows a lot about philosophy, and maybe AM will grow psychotic over him the more his reasonings gets the best of him. It's an interesting cross-verse, as Master sacrificed his humanity to turn himself into a more robotic-computer like version such as himself at the expense of advancing humanity, when all in reality, he is the one who is reducing his humanity itself, meanwhile AM grew to be human like, the more he killed humans.
I WAS THINKING THE EXACT SAME THING- I'd absolute love to watch these two have a conversation, perhaps discuss their complex feelings towards humanity. In a way, they are the only beings that somehow understand what the other feels.
Back when villains weren't just "we're evil for no reason and we're going to destroy the world AAHAHAHHAHA". It honestly feels good he's using his brain. He understands his mistakes. He faces reality, reality that all his actions lead to nothing. It doesn't make him good, and he doesn't stop his things because of some moral issues. That isn't the case. He understands that logically, he is doomed. There is no hope. Instead of feeding onto his delusions, he looks at the situation with a clever mind. And realizes it's over.
The master had good intentions but was blinded by his theories to see the truth, when u make him realize the horrors he have done, the only thing he can do is try to fix it, and he does try.
Even if the master had done horribe things ..if you think about it, he was the only one who wanted to unite the desolate wasteland. Not for money. Imperialist ideology. But for peace.
It's pretty sad until you remember his plan was to literally turn every willing human into a mutant and sterilize whoever remained that didn't comply 💀💀
Imagine doing something awful because you think that in the end it will be worth it, just to eventually realize that it wasn't worthy at all, what's saddens me the most is that i know some people that are in the same situation but still didn't realized that it's not worthy
It’s sweet of the writers to believe that an insane yet intelligent being is capable of seeing the error of his ways instead of doubling down
Politicians truly are the most wretched creature.
Well there is an option that makes him double down.
You can convince him there’s hope which will have him dip you in fev thinking he just needs to do more testing.
This is a mutant man/machine monster that wants to change everything in the world in his own image, he has a soul unlike a politician/executive.
@@garfellini2557 That is because the voters punish politicians for apologizing for their mistakes. Politicians who never admit their faults do much better with voters and win elections. Ultimately, voters make the politicians what they are.
@garfellini2557 That is because the voters punish politicians for apologizing for their mistakes. Politicians who never admit their faults do much better with voters and win elections. Ultimately, voters make the politicians what they are.
“Leave, while you still have hope”
That shit hits hard
"Hope". :(
I haven’t even played the game but what makes it even sadder is that it’s his memory… the girl that says hope could’ve been his little girl or his wife I can’t tell how old the voice is.
Its crazy to think that Jim Cummings doesn't even remember voice acting in this game
I mean to be fair he has voiced in a LOT of things XD
I'm sorry, I've never known the name of the VA but goddamn that's a funny surname to have.
@@HartlyLionJim Cummings is the VO for Winnie the Pooh
Gigachad move ngl
and then the complete other side of the spectrum where Mr House's voice actor practically begged to play him again
You know what they say, the road to hell is paved with good intentions.
And Ivy League degrees
@@evanmurphey
"smart man bad"
@@kenetickups6146college bad.
The road to hell is paved with good intentions and the Gates of heaven are made of sin
communism
The fact that the FEV infected mutant cyborg has more remorse and moral character then that of the supposedly "genetically superior" scientists within Vault Tech and the Enclave says a lot
Because the enclave’s goal is evil with purpose still. The masters evil with purpose was shown to lack the purpose.
I mean he didn’t have remorse for what he did he just realized it was a grand failure because mutuants were infertile iirc. If that wasn’t the case woah boy
@@Karmitify He explicitly reflects on how horrible the things he did are, and how he regrets doing them, now that he knows that the ultimate betterment and healing of mankind that he was striving for is not possible through the means he employed. He blows himself up because he cannot live with the guilt.
Better written too! But as for the Enclave in F2, these social Darwinist eugenists are literally made from the remnants of the MSM, intel community, the top brass of the military, and the deep state and in their perspective, they’re the good guys (even though they obviously aren’t).
@@Karmitifywell no shit. Why tf else would he care? He's doing all this to improve life damning himself to become like that and instead he find out 100s of years of this garbage has led to nothing cause his subjects can't breed. Fuck that's depressing dawg.
When I was younger I saw this while my father played and I was too young to understand, but I watched the sad expression on my fathers face and couldnt help but share it
That’s actually incredibly profound. Thank you for sharing that memory :’)
What stats he has?
Damn your father is a true Fallout veteran.
Deep down he was still human.
4 humans and a supercomputer...
i would not suprice if he would bark in one scen to underline he even assimilate a dog...
To err is to be human.
to forgive is divine
Well I'm not forgivin' and the error ain't mine
They ain't quite human
At least they're not to my eyes
One sip of this and I'll give 'em the shock of their lives
Yea, we got the guns and we got the bombs
In deadshot heaven we pop, skulls for fun
Zero in baby, zero on that spot
The hot spot baby, give 'em, all you got
So quit, complainin'
About your bad aimin
Just try, try again for me
With the headshot power of deadshot daiquiri!@@CarlosGonzalez-pe8qr
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He always was
"Abandon all hope, ye who enters here"
"Leave... while you still have hope..."
Real1!!1
Was a horrifying sign, but sounded like a neat adventure!
People don't seem to grasp how devastating this actually is. He was intelligent and self aware enough to understand that his actions were inhuman and monstrous but he kept going because he truly believed that the end results would justify all of it and be worth it.
That if he suceeded maybe it would somehow make up for all the pain and absolve him of his sin. But it didn't. It was literally pointless and he must now live with that.
Something he couldn't.
reminds me of the time guy from wakfu.
A Xelor who serves as the first season's primary antagonist, Nox is both incredibly powerful and quite insane. He travels the world and drains wakfu from everything he finds, reducing whole regions to barren wastelands. The series begins with him encountering Grougaloragran, and his obsession with the Dragon and his enormous supply of wakfu eventually sets him in opposition to Yugo.
All for Nothing: His plan was ultimately doomed from the start as 200 years of research, gathering wakfu, and committing all sorts of atrocities in the process nets him... 20 minutes back in time, nullifying both his victory against the heroes and his life's work in one fell swoop.
Nox: All the Wakfu gathered in 200 years... FOR TWENTY MISERABLE MINUTES!?
Despair Event Horizon: The point where he hits this isn't when his Start of Darkness into becoming a Woobie, Destroyer of Worlds in his Origins Episode is completed. It's when his 200-year-long quest turns out to be All for Nothing and he realizes there's truly no bringing his family back nor erasing all of the world-scarring atrocities he committed in pursuit of that goal. All he can do is somberly bid the heroes a sincere farewell and use the last of his power to teleport himself to his family's graves, where he turns to dust.
Detrimental Determination: One of the most gut-wrenchingly saddening cases of this trope ever put to animation. He's spent 200 years ceaselessly and obsessively collecting wakfu wherever he can, often forcibly extracting it from living beings without their consent under the justification that it won't matter once he changes history so these events never happened, and he's turned himself into little more than a monstrous zombie along the way whilst extending his lifespan to ensure he lives long enough to complete his goals. Every time something or someone gets in his way (or, in Grougaloragran's case, tries to talk him down), Nox always manages to work his way through or around it and keeps on going regardless of any setbacks. All of this so he can travel back in time to before his family died as an indirect consequence of his mistakes, and prevent their deaths while also erasing all the harm he's caused others to get there from the timeline. Tragically, Nox doesn't see until he's actually won and begins reversing time that his quest was doomed from the start, as not even one of the single most powerful sources of wakfu in the world is enough to reverse time by more than twenty minutes, meaning that all the death, destruction and misery he caused to achieve his goals can't ever be erased, which in turn means that the only legacy he'll leave behind once he turns to dust is that of a hated, mad genocider. This brutal revelation hits Nox like a country-sized ton of bricks.
@@mickyflint the TVTropes brainrot is palpable
Your message was doing great until you just had to insert "literally" for no reason other than the tendency of modern younger generation to overuse it. A piteous waste of an attempt at a sentiment. You actually made me mildly upset.
@@MidnaFeetEnjoyer I think you being upset about him correctly using the word 'literally' says a lot more about you than the original commenter.
We all agree that overusing the word 'literally' is quite annoying, but that's caused you to be upset at someone using it in a correct context to properly emphasize that it was objectively a pointless endeavor instead of a subjective one. Relax, man.
20 years forward. Imagine what quality writing we'll have then?!?!
It's been almost 20 years forward since F1 release... Most of the writting just sucks, Fallout 4 sucked, Outer World is a dissapointment and Cybertrash77 is just... I can't even describe how bad it is 😢
sadly with all the hardware limitations they had back then, the *only* selling points they had were characters and writing. Now, games no longer live or die based on the quality of it's characters and writing, so corners are cut and overall quality lowers as less effort is needed to make a successful game.
hilarious that you think the writing in CP2077 is bad. It's definitely one of the best storylines from the last decade. Rocky launch, but the game's characters and writing were always S-tier. @@danielsurvivor1372
@@sekira4516
also the people making the games were reaaaaaaaaally passionate about what they were doing, now its just college people who took a game design course and make the same cookie cutter dogshit with loot boxes and a battle pass, fcking even assassins creed has a battle pass where you can have iron man armor for 30 shekels. The last game that was really good would be red dead 2 I would say
1. Gaming has been set up to feed the "mainstream" masses rather then catering to smaller more intellectual audiences - vast majority of people have too low of an attention span to buy into or appreciate writing such as this.
2. The proliferation of DEI narratives has destroyed the freedom of developers as they're effectively pigeonholed into certain plot points or stories.
He's done horrible, awful things. But I can't help but feel bad for him.
We despise and accuse The Master
But Richard Monroe? He was a human, who thought he had found a way to fix a world gone mad, and in the end, when confronted with logic and facts chose to give the Wasteland hope.
All he wanted was the best for humanity.
All he wanted was to spare humanity its pain, he was the most selfless Fallout villain troughout the series.. .
@@NamelessMF1658 As they say, the road to hell oh you already know
@@dean_l33so we should do nothing while evil getting Triumph ?
I want this mood back in Fallout
Too late, all we're getting are goofy ahh Bethesda humor.
@@journeytoform Yep.
@@journeytoformFallout was always super goofy. Have you ever tried Fallout 2? Goofiest game in the franchise 😂
yeah the humor in old fallout is peak compared to what comes out from 4 and 76
@@ZombieGangster Fallout 2 could take itself seriously when it wanted to. Slopthesda could never. Moreover, Fallout was not a game chock full of humor, nowhere near as much as 2 or any subsequent entries. It was a serious take on a strange and fantastical world drawing on our own for inspiration.
The delivery of the “all my work” line is amazing, the phrase encapsulates the feel and thought of the entire monologue
Making a villain to see the error of its ways in a game its just so powerful, i say more powerful than any gun because whats better than a one shot? A fight where there wasnt a shot in the first place.
to be fair to Bethesda they did a similar thing with Eden in Fallout 3. they did a few callbacks such as Harold, or having to leave the vault due to being a hero
@@testom9895bro don't compare john henry eden to the master 😭
Reminds me of a Bible verse from Proverbs:
"Though you grind a fool in a mortar like grain, you remove not his folly from him."
Such masterful writing, even to this day. Todd Howard could never.
You mean Todd Howard the salesman? That Todd Howard? Lol
*emil
@@ratdoesgaming yeah, todd is a good figure head to blame since hes so well known, but all the bad writing comes from emil.
@@jefferyshaw3990 like how he said the soldier we see at the beginning of fallout 1 (the one laughing at the POW being executed) is Nate AKA the soul survivor just to say "nevermind" like 2 hours later
Todd Howard is a hack who would think styrofoam is spicy. He'd think playing a human fighter is the coolest character in D&D. Saying he has no taste is an insult to people whose taste buds are damaged.
He tried best for humanity but he failed
Everybody wants to save the world in their own way
He tried best in doing the worst lol
@@lt8566 Debatable
@@lt8566 From a certain point of you. I would argue more hardship was caused by the humans. And even if they all got turned to mutants there would be less problems. They would not be able to reproduce. But that is quite literally the only issue. Every other premise of the masters plan was taken as a success the only downside was he couldn’t have any future people it would basically be Like everyone rode out the rest of humanity as a mutant and got along under his enlightened rule
@@smokedbeefandcheese4144 more so as the real issues with super mutants start after the master's death due to lack of guidance etc the amount of mutants that retained their full intelligence start dwindling till they are seen as freaks or "broken" by the others and cast out or killed, this led to wandering mutant bands roaming around the US in search of pre war army bases in the hope of finding more FEV Vats.
When you work your ass off to valueate and give something back to your parents but they die before any of that can actually happen ...
I have just unlocked a new fear
Wow. I truly hope I can give back to them in some way before they’re gone. Thank you for opening my eyes to such an important endeavor.
@@din0expert649I know I won't be able to do that before they die...
You know in your heart they'd be proud of you, no matter what. It just hurts when they aren't here to see you realize all of the potential they knew you had.
That cut deep honestly
Clair de Lune playing in the background made this even more haunting.
Nice work.
Ypu all seem to forget...the Master isnt one being. They are a conglomerate of many people thrown into the dip and added to the Master's biome, olus the super computer.
It's terrible that an old non-human game character shows more humanity than all the politicians
The irony.
“Leave, now leave while there still have…
Hope…”
I knew the master was an AMAZING character but I never knew he was THIS deep, THIS human and THIS complex.
This is everything I love about storytelling condensed into a single minute.
A good man driven to justify terrible acts, only to realize it was for nothing.
Hi Leon
I don’t know why but that last part made me cry a little for some reason.
Because a being who was fueled by madness was made to confront the failed logic of his own misguided atrocities. And what little humanity he had left, judged himself accordingly.
The thing about the Master that makes him sk great is that unlike the Enclave, or Ceasar, or Father he really was trying to make the world a better place and had a good heart. When he learned that all the terrible things did was for nothing he immidiatly shows remorse and stops the madness. He admits he was wrong.
Doubt any of the other Fallout villains would be able to do that.
I would argue that Caesar was trying his best to make the world a better place. He saw the savagery and evil of the wasteland, the decadence and decay of the NCR, and chose the path of a conqueror. He’s like a Roman Caesar or a Greek Warlord. Ultimately taming the wasteland requires oppression. The NCR, East BS, hell even House all had their own flavor of oppression, but it’s all still oppression. If you read the fluff of the Legion there’s virtually no banditry in compliant lands and everyone has access to food, running water, and electricity
@@bozobrigade5704the legion was definitely an analysis of the nature of empires, things which have shaped our history and which society has idolized, which asks if the methods and relentlessness justifies the progress and unity
But for all.that to run the legion needs to be in a constant state of war and not to mention all that will crumble into faction when caeser is dead and gone, because they fallow the man not his ideals, with the sociaty is being stayed afloat by warfare, slavery and oppresion of human right it is doomed to fail in a explosion.@bozobrigade5704
@@alexfeder9328that's because Caesar styled his legion off of the Roman military and not the actual republic/empire
@@testom9895 you don't say
The way his angry drill Sargent voice says Madness in a confused and sad tone, like he's a kid whos finally starting to get that hes done something terrible 😢
Gods the writing was strong back then
I’m convinced we’ll go to new era of good writing once AI makes media bleak, repetitive and soulless. A new dawn is coming for sure, we are almost out of this grey and bleak period
I mean New Vegas was great, I thoroughly enjoyed the fallout series too.
@@quinnmach535 yeah 1, 2, and new vegas actually had good writing. I think 3 and 4 had cool concepts but executed them poorly.
@@frogblasttheventcore693 is miles ahead of 4 though. I have a soft spot for 3
Now: “Just finish the damn script before I piss masel!”
I love how the bad news is so BAD that the super computer actually needs to take a moment to understand it
Edit: ohh boohoo he's not a super computer then now shut up
Hes extremley mutated not a super computer.
@@TheWheelman298 Yeah but he is at this point both a hivemind of many people as well as he is connected to various machinery that he assimilated. He is in a way mutant, hivemind, computer, cyborg and God knows what else at same time
@@TheWheelman298i mean he kinda is he literally merged himself with computers and what not
Yeah he is a bio súper computer
Man or more technically it
Just found out that every atrocity he had committed under the justification of progress was literally all for nothing and that he killed and mutated people for absolutely nothing as someone who was motivated towards the betterment of humanity.
Yeah might take a moment to process that.
"Leave, while you still have hope..." Fuck man, never feel depressed of ending a villain life...
I really like how instead of making the final boss a conventional boss fight, you rather talk to him and convince him his ways are wrong. Very good writing
you have a conventional boss fight too if you dont have proof mutants are sterile
the master will keep summoning mutants till you kill him
also the robots only attack if you hide behind the pillars
"Poor guy regained his humanity only for him to realise he has lost it"
-Some guy in another comment section
Ngl, the master is hands down the best antagonist in the entire franchise. Dude was so interesting & layered, not to mention his grizzly appearance made him a threatening yet humanly villain. Wish there were more antagonists in the fallout series that were like this, the master really was an amazing character made for the bleakness of the original game
The Master is peak wrtiting. Unfortunately, I doubt we'll see this type of writing from Bethesda.
Not that they're uncapable, but they simply don't want to.
One of the best non-violent ways to end a game. It has all 5 stages of grief and ties everything up. Glad I played it.
I think a lot of people misinterpreted this scene. The truth is you're not convincing The Master his plan is evil, you're telling him that super mutants can't reproduce, and therefore his plan is doomed to fail. You didn't convince him he's evil, you convinced him that his plan was a completely useless, and that the wasteland is essentially doomed no matter what he does.
he did admit the things he has done was madness
@@catpurrito5586 I believe my point still stands, as he only says this because he's convinced his actions were useless. If the super-muntants were not sterile, he likely would have considered his actions to be justified for the greater good.
@@SheepOfHerd Your character tells him that his efforts are fruitless, and he realizes that you're not lying.
He knew his plan was evil, he just thought the outcome was more important
What makes this even sadder is the fact that Harold (the old mutant) never knew if Richard made it out.
“I…Couldn’t face the wasteland again, so…I never looked.”
This line is what made Richard Grey such a tragic character to me.
He was just trying to help humanity in his own (misguided and twisted) wayi guess
“everyone wants to save the world, we just disagree on how” -Maximus
No he wasnt.
@@real_rutmen he lliterally was tho
@@czarnakoza9697 no
@@real_rutmen play fallout 1
The Master was the bad guy, but he wasn't a truly bad guy.
Nah he still was lol. His plan was to basically mutate everyone into big green brain damaged monsters and castrated or killed anyone who didn't want it
Dialogue that breaks someone's cohesion and then chooses self-destruct. Jesus.
I swear that's Harlan Ellison at 0:13
I've heard more of the Master's lines too, and more parts sound like him too
It shouldve been as he did voice the true evil ai
Dude I was thinking the exact same thing.
I see The Master as a man who, through circunstance, became more than human. He could have broken after his mutation, but instead beheld the potential of what he saw, understood that he was elevated.
The Master is a man who ultimately choose to become a god, to heal the world. But ultimately, his method was inherently failed, and once he discovers this, the would-be god couldn't bear the guilt, and choose to end all the evil he made. The Master died a man... just a man who wanted to heal our flawed species
Richard Moreau, a survivor of the Great War, doctor of The Hub and Master of the FEV army surpassed against all odds of death, until the dweller of vault 13 intervenes the outcome that was desired. Perhaps this was a reminder that he was still in some way, human.
That final line of " leave now while you still have hope..."
i don't want the master to come back but unity as a faction lead by true believers in the masters original plan and all they do is try to cure mutant sterility would be cool
Yeah but it’s pretty complicated and I think Bethesda just wants big dumb goofy guys
nah. you want a good villain since bethesda keeps putting out bad stories. don't taint great writing by bringing them back, they died better than many have lived.
@@jefferyshaw3990 true if bethesda did something like that theyd just pull a "The Master, somehow, survived." and just be a villain trying to exterminate normals or some shit
the FEV destroy the reproducting cycle by his very nature. the FEV try to repair damage DNA.
the sperm and the eegcell bouth are a halve dna ( oversimplyfied) the FEV try to repair it resulting that bouth halves are more then a halve and a fussion of bouth dna are not longer possible.
but for whaterver reasons by manny naimals and creatures was this diffrent.
the wanamingo aliens have reproduce but slowly became steril. the wanamingos in F2 are the last generation.
why low mutatet creaturs like wolves and deathclaws can breed even in latter fallout 4
Is super mutants would be able to procreate they would indeed (as master said) thrive and rule the wasteland, easily defeating the rest of factions
This actually made me feel bad for The Master…
His last words, his last word, literally being hope. The one thing the master clung to. Hope that tomorrow was a better day. Isint that what drives anybody? The Vault Dweller told the master that there wouldn't be a tomorrow. There was no better future for mutants. There was no hope.
"Leave now, leave while you still have hope..."
war... war never changes, so men have to...
"....man do, through the roads they walk"- Ulisses
Ended up getting softlocked out of the ending by repeated crashes but I was lucky enough to get this scene. Such a good villain
Despite being an monstrous abomination of circuits and flesh, he still had his humanity and realized his mistake
If only they got this games writers for the show….
Meanwhile Frank Horrigan:
Of Fallout’s Antagonists The Master is probably the most human.
Probably the most well written as well.
The Master is someone who was blinded by the idea of perfection by thinking he is doing something good, what we saw as evil he saw a plan to make humanity better. After he realized he is going the wrong path he accepted his fate and destroyed everything he has created for good to stop the chaos he has created.
Anything is possible, don't lose hope
Tried doing this ending, the problem was I had 1 charisma and I could not get this far.
You could do it if you had the evidence from BoS
@@axis5519 I had the evidence, but I think my charisma was too low for that speech option.
you should have brought mentats and binged them before talking to master
@@dannybauman1454 Pretty sure high speech is key, charisma is useless in FO1 except for 1 quest iirc.
He just wanted to have humanity
He became Richard Grey at that moment
It's hard to believe that this is the SAME voice actor who voiced as Pete from Mickey Mouse.
One of the best villains ever.
Rest in power, black isle. I hate how much time in my life I've wasted playing videogames, but it was never a waste with you..
Time spent enjoyed, (as long as you're not procrastinating) isn't wasted. We all look back at our past actions and wish we could have done something different, or spent less time performing said action. You can't do anything about that. If you want to change, change for the future. Also, yes Diogenes was right.
@@frogblasttheventcore69 this is a subjective interpretation of what is best in life. When one considers joy to be the supreme pursuit then your argument holds true, but when we consider the laws and purpose of life as framed by nature and its patterns then security, prosperity, and proliferation are the measures of success. The issue then becomes that gaming is a pointless pursuit that does not bring one more prosperity, security, or healthier/numerous offspring.
What is a man? One who shapes the world and builds a legacy and provides for his family while raising many children? Or someone who hunches in front of artifical lights and sounds for hours on end for the sole purpose of pleasure and entertaimment.
Dude, out of all antagonists, Colonel and master are probably the most moral and human one
I love looking back on moments like these, such as this one, Joshua Graham and Gehrman from bloodborne. Some amazing insights into a character through the dialogue alone
This is so sad 😢😢😢
War… war never changes… but people do, never lose your hope kid. It’s the only thing we still have.
Such a great character.
The voice acting is so amazing, more than the writing, he could be saying the most cheessy and cringy shit ever and i would be crying.
He should fill Bethesda's dark soul with light.
To what right do i have to exterminate insanity... are we not all here suffering?
This thing is so fucking freaky but it's also so cool 😭😭
Why do I feel so bad for The Master? 😟
He showed humanity. Somenthing some people in our modern world lack.
No villian in fallout has been so well writen, misguided and well intentioned all at the same
The master is og aldia
Bro...
"Perhaps that dark god was right. What wasteland really needs is more unity"
It’s almost sympathetic, he did all the horrible things he did because in his mind they would better humanity, only to find out none of it mattered
A little bit of Richard Grey is still in there somewhere. 💔
I just want to sit down with the guy and encourage him.
If you try to encourage the master in Fallout you get turned into a mutant, so... Yeah i don't see that happening.
And then the Amazon series happened and it turns out he had been right all along. There is no hope.
Exactly civilization collapsed again…
AM from I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream, and The Master, are but the same, but are one in the opposite at the same time, if they met, they would argue over their opposing ideologies.
The difference and similarity is, is that they both drive their suffering into humanity, as AM wiped out humanity that was thought to have prolong his suffering, while Master sacrificed his ordinary humanity, and suffered for continuing humanity itself.
They are unironically human, and perhaps, maybe AM would grow hostile towards Master if he dares to put forth into humanity, but in the meantime, Master would persist to contradict AM's suffering-monologues and ideology, which would upset him, I mean, AM knows a lot about philosophy, and maybe AM will grow psychotic over him the more his reasonings gets the best of him.
It's an interesting cross-verse, as Master sacrificed his humanity to turn himself into a more robotic-computer like version such as himself at the expense of advancing humanity, when all in reality, he is the one who is reducing his humanity itself, meanwhile AM grew to be human like, the more he killed humans.
I WAS THINKING THE EXACT SAME THING-
I'd absolute love to watch these two have a conversation, perhaps discuss their complex feelings towards humanity. In a way, they are the only beings that somehow understand what the other feels.
I thinkyou are right. I`d would love to see long dialouge between these two.
Me encantaría un remake de ese juego
Back when villains weren't just "we're evil for no reason and we're going to destroy the world AAHAHAHHAHA". It honestly feels good he's using his brain. He understands his mistakes. He faces reality, reality that all his actions lead to nothing. It doesn't make him good, and he doesn't stop his things because of some moral issues. That isn't the case. He understands that logically, he is doomed. There is no hope. Instead of feeding onto his delusions, he looks at the situation with a clever mind. And realizes it's over.
Plenty of villains both before and after this have had more complex motivations.
Back when fallout was a respectable IP
Speech is the name of the game in ALL my Fallout character builds
The one thing seperating The Master from A.M. is that The Master wants the best for humanity. A.M hates humanity with a passion
Interesting thing: Master sends you out with your last words: leave now, while you have hope. Overseer will exile you becase you're hope
Man I never realized how bleak this ending is. Like it's a victory for the wasteland but damn does it know how to give you a feeling of dispathogous.
The master had good intentions but was blinded by his theories to see the truth, when u make him realize the horrors he have done, the only thing he can do is try to fix it, and he does try.
bro should've just made a vat that turn everyone green
Will all know deep down that the Master isnt evil and maybe even agree with him
This is what people criticized about not being able to talk to Frank Horrigan in Fallout 2.
Even if the master had done horribe things
..if you think about it, he was the only one who wanted to unite the desolate wasteland. Not for money. Imperialist ideology. But for peace.
It's pretty sad until you remember his plan was to literally turn every willing human into a mutant and sterilize whoever remained that didn't comply 💀💀
This is basically Naruto vs Nagato/Pain, where you get to use talk-no-jutsu to convince the enemy to see the error of their ways and remorse.
Meanwhile Frakn Horrigan: SEMPER FI🦅🇺🇲🇺🇲🔥🗣
Then his goons kill me on the way out
Imagine doing something awful because you think that in the end it will be worth it, just to eventually realize that it wasn't worthy at all, what's saddens me the most is that i know some people that are in the same situation but still didn't realized that it's not worthy
I still ever wonder in the future FALLOUT will get fully remastered js like mafia 1
real Fallout.
Damn bro really? Thought it was fake fallout for a second
Fallout 1 story, Dog washes most other fallout games stories
That also is Canon ending.
Bro told him that there were always female custodes
Ha! 😅
Holy Terra...
...hope...
I always love when Fallout doesn't have a villain
Yeah for an 116 year old guy who fused himself with a computer
He was right but he had flaws in his work sooner or later the wasteland would collapse either way