To shoot down drones and cruise missiles yes, in a dogfight, no because then something have already gone horrible wrong. Its like speak about how long you bayonet is on your assault rifle. Great for parades and "crowd control" but you have totally fucked up if you need to use it in modern combat.
@@grimreapers Regarding Delta Wings. They are much more efficient. Swept wings are better at higher speeds but the delta wing also comes with the benefit of having additional surface area for lift. The drawback of delta wing aircrafts is that they are less stealthy.
My Dad was stationed at RAF Coltishall in the 70's, I was lucky enough to see a four ship of Viggens when they showed up for a week of combined forces training with the Jaguars at Coltishall. They were just about the coolest aircraft the 12 year old me had ever seen. Loved them ever since.
Some cool facts. At 14:47 you can see "casper the gost" on the tail, that squadron operated out of Ängelholm on the swedish westcost 90 Km north of Malmö sadly its no more but the hypercar manufakter Koenigsegg has moved in and use the facilitys incl. the runway as there test track. As a nood to the old squadron Koenigsegg uses the gost on there cars.
@@SonsOfLorgar The chances of seeing this mentioned here now. I was there yesterday lol. Great museum and some of the old guys have a lot of interesting stories to tell!
Really good video. However, I don't think Sweden would actually send in Viggens without any ability to fight air targets. Either they'd give each plane a couple of IR missiles, or they'd include some sort of fighter escort. Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but the 80's is when Sweden understood the limited survivability of their planes and started to invest heavily into electronic warfare. And no, Sweden didn't have conscript pilots (unfortunately, I'd love to have been a fighter pilot during my military service). Ground crews were conscripts, but pilots were professionals and generally stayed in the airforce for at least 10 years.
There were however 17 year old pilot trainees flying Viggens but not singleseaters. that you had to be 18. Heard of stories of pilot trainees who celebrated their 18th birthday doing their first solo Viggen flight. I believe We had EW warfare already in the late 50's. I know that A32 Lansen was used for EW development and training in the mid 70's. Sweden got the worlds first digital Datalink in 1960 and the worlds first Digital link between planes (4 could share their Sensors and computer strength seamless without pilots command) in 1984, F22 Raptor was the first Nato plane with similar capability. Best regards.
@@danielkarlsson9326 By EW I mean jammers. From what I read, the Viggen wasn't expected to survive for long against SU-27's and the latest SAM systems. So the airforce bought a whole heap of jamming pods and include them into the standard loadout for every mission. It's also at this point that EW became a standard feature on the upcoming Gripen.
We did have conscripted pilot during the war (Beredskapstiden), but back then you were in service for much longer. If you look at the list of crashes from that period you find Värnpliktig Flygförare quite often.
And the Swedish army did have conscript pilots for some of their two seat helicopters. But you had to already have your private pilot’s license and quite a number of flying hours to be considered.
The Viggen is a damn good looking plane, and its performance was top notch for its time, hooray for the Swedish engineers. I don't know how many bases we have here in Finland, but we have a lot of wartime road bases, and they are the favorite places for the police to have speed traps.
I have always thought that the Viggen was such a sexy aircraft and love the Gripen as well. I served with the RN in the operating dept and during a draft to a foreign land I worked with a Swedish anaesthetist who was a pilot who flew the Viggen for real !! I was so envious.
Hey thanks for stopping by here in Finland, Viggens looked very sexy👌I'd say the outcome of the mission was very realistic, cold war era was scary as * for me. Thanks guys!
@@nonsequitorI can't answer on behalf of others but I presume novadays it must be easier to relax somewhat as Russia is much weaker than it was, Finland is quite a bit stronger than it was back then, much less politically isolated and now even allied. That is how I see it anyway. Russian hybrid warfare is annoying however, but generally people in my estimation tend see the prospects of defence as quite credible. This view has been reinforced by the bad performance of Russian military in Ukraine where it tried and failed in exactly the kind of nightmare scenario that our defence forces has been preparing against. I would personally caution against underestimating the threat because of this, since Russia may actually be ruled by a madman. Of cold war era defence I don't personally know much other than as history. Back then the big worry for defence was apparently so called coup attack, with the intend to faciliate a political crisis to justify Soviet military intervention for political control. The Soviet Union performed military interventions against its own Warsaw pact allies if they seemed to gravitate too much to the west or even just to express their own political self-determination. Fortunately there never were any Soviet attempts at military backed coups in Finland, however. The most dangerous years of the cold war were the early years, which are known in Finnish historography as the years of danger. Generally the most tense moments culminated in the so called note crisis of 1961 which was connected to the Berlin crisis. There were other political crises and incidents afterwards but mostly the tensions were considered to be lower during the late cold war. The reason was thought to be that by this time Finland had managed to convince both sides of its neutrality.
Our equivalent of a plane designed to operate from roads or rough terrain was the Jaguar not the Harrier, although the Harrier could operate from roads with its short or vertical take off, it didn't have the undercarriage to take off from rough terrain, that the Jag had, and vertical take off is very fuel hungry limiting the Harriers range, payload and effectiveness. Theres some amazing footage of Jags taking off from rough terrain knocking about.
@@rocketmunkey1 I'd love the Jag in DCS so much. I remember watching an interview with a pilot who said they had a tenancy to pitch forward at speed, making low level flight nerve wracking. Love it when planes have quirks like that to keep you on your toes.
Funny fact: the Viggen project started out as a VTOL project (F-35 configuration). The thrust reverser is the only remnant left in the plane from that development.
Best thing about the Viggen: It had terrain data and could update the INS on that, basically circumventing INS issues over land. Pilots were also expected to fly below 30m at all times in VFR conditions and 50m in IFR or lower, so you were too high most of the time
Yup. If you came back from training missions without at least branch or twigg of pine in the undercarriage youd get roasted by your mates. Good way to show off the map with beatiful landscape, flying low down
I agree with the altitude issue. Those wires crossing the river wouldn't be a problem had you flewn at the proper altitude, passing under them. When flying over open water 15m was considered to be "high" altitude. The spray behind the aircraft should rise higher than the tail fin. Flying with a negative attitude (nose down) was required to negate the ground effect.
One mechanic and four conscripts... I remember officers maybe pointing at something, at the most. Conscripts did all the work. They were pretty independent. I wasn't in a ready group, but I walked along the landing strips a few times every day.
It would be good to see this mission fleshed out as a proper GR mission, with some of our Viggen gurus. Finland got hornet in 92, so there could be some air cover.
Fun fact about Volvo cars. During the 70s, 80s and at least part of the 90s Volvos estate models were designed so tvo army stretchers would fit in the back meaning every Volvo estate in the whole country could act as a military ambulace transport. The military actually had the right to take your car, if you had one of those models, in case of a war to be used for just that purpose... And, also, I have actually driven both the recon Viggen simulator and the interceptor Viggen simulator at the airforce base back home when I was a kid. My best friends dad worked as a technician there, so we got to try them out... :D
Once you hit the subpens you probably should have gone left coast towards norwegian border before turning back... Otherwise great job guys... Also you were a bit high a lot of the time for viggens.. I've been overflown by a recon one doing my military service standing at a guardpost in the winter.... and he was litterally scraping the treetops, had snow and pine needles raining over me after he passed and my heart had restarted..
Well guys i feel really honored because the Pike skins you are you using on those Viggens are actually made by my friend Christian Djurberg AKA TTS Blue Angel who is the Origin Creator of those. He basically made two kind of "Fish Skins" The Pike and The Pike-Perch or as we call it in Sweden Gösen. Both TTS Blue Angel and i have a clan called TTS (Tactical Team Sweden) my call sign is TTS IceMan. Greetings from Sweden😎🙌🇸🇪
To strike at Murmansk could be the response to the Submarine crew setting off a nuke in Swedish waters when Sweden tried to storm it with marines and take it over.
I love seeing the "flygraka" (those really wide strait parts of the road meant for landing on) on this new map. I have been taking a little break from dcs and coming back to this is amazing. Love from sweden
Swdish pilots was not conscripts. They whete choisen via the conscript network, then typically signed for a 10 year contract. Typically they would be active service pilots untill they turned 46 then they would be transfered to instructor, test pilot or civilian service. Sweden would still have lansen and draken operational in the early to mid 80s. On a mission like this i would say they would proboly use a mix of lansen and draken due to the very high risk. The training would typically be 6 month in a prop, 6 month in a jet trainer than 4 years in a fighter trainer, then after that you would get your first base placement. Worth saying is that about 600 pilot and airforce crew died in sweden during the cold war in combat training. The airforce had its own comando forces that was trained to be behind enemy lines.for month to pick up and guied pilots to get back to base. Yea... they would need to walk back (untill the got into the logistic network.) Swedens airforce was very large at this date with over 600 active planes and twice that pilots and about 2000 landing strips.... yes.. that is not a typo. 2000. And that is on top of the non landingstrips roads that was sort of a 3rd level emegancy landing strip. When the road need to be only 9 meter wide, there is a lot of roads to be chosen between
@@grimreapers In my youth, I spent two weeks at a summer camp at a Swedish airforce base. We once had two attack viggens fly over us at probably 15-20 meters above sea level. I later learned from a coworker who was a retired recon viggen pilot that this was considered high. I guess they didn't want to accidentally splash a bunch of kids in canoes. :)
@@Pallidumyes. My Uncle started flying on the Draken and retrained on the Viggen. It wasn't rare for pilots to return with pine needles and twigs hanging on the weapon pylons or jammed in the elevons and flap joints... There's also supposed to be recon photos of the underside of the Öland bridge (to get a photo of the underside of a bridge, the recon version of the Viggen would have to fly inverted under the bridge...) We also had a 1/week casualty ratio for combat pilots from 1950 and until the Gripen entered service...
11:00 Swedish pilots were retained and kept, you're not a conscript anymore if you're a pilot. But everyone started as a conscript back then so... A ground crew for a Gripen is 8 if i remember right so it might be the same for the Viggen. And another point is the flying, the whole design philosophy is to have the plane be as simple as possible to fly so the pilot can focus on other things, not to have conscripts fly the plane. xD edit: Bruh, a small spelling misstake error corrected removed the (
@@svensvensson2724 Rearm the craft? The ground crew for a F-16 is 20 something. Edit: To expand on this, imagine. A gripen have done a sortie, your crew of 8+1 is waiting for you on a decent road in Värmland for you to land, you have like 4 slots for ordinance, 2 on each wing, one for a fuel tank on the belly or a big bomb. The one officer oversees the procedure of rearming and refueling while the others using this pulley system tool(cant remember the name, bamse?) with which each individual can lift 250kg each, you can combine these to lift heavier ordinance, 500, 750, 1000, 1250kg. The refueling with the Gripen atleast is slower then the rearming.
So you asked and you shall receive, Delta wing aircraft has more lift and lower stall speeds compared to regular aircraft . Sweden's Aircraft strategy was implemented due to the fear of bombing our airports if we went to war. The result of this was our highway was widened to allow Aircraft to land on them. Viggen could land on 500m roads which later was increased to 800m. There are two types of Viggen AJ And AJS. AJS stand for ''ATTACK'' ''JAKT'' ''SPANING'' Don't quote me but I believe the Aj37 was mainly designed to meet the soviet fleet in the Baltic and ground troops. You get bonus points for not using the Autopilot and only the assistant aka SPAK
The whole system with road basing was originally named "Bas 60" (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bas_60 ) and then updated to "Bas 90" (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bas_90 ). Thats probably where they got the "BAS100" designation from? (edit: hope the links work now)
17:30 Cap said it was relatively good on gas. Let me tell you, it was not. Without afterburner it was fine but with full afterburner engaged it burned through 6000 liters a minute
RAF English Electric Lightnings intercepted Blackbirds. I seem to remember reading that an SR-71 pilot was well surprised when a pair of Lightnings actually got above his aircraft and would have been able to intercept. They had the speed too....
Lighting had the engine power just like the MIG 25 and J35 Draken. But the diffrence was that viggen had something no other intercepter had during this Complete Digital computer both onboard the plane and via Datalink and Hunterlink. This meant Viggen had the computer power needed to not only find the planes but to also shoot them down if USA would ever decide to start a war with Sweden. Viggen wasnt the fastest but it was the only system which had all the parts needed to with a decent margin to actually shoot down SR-71's even with them Jamming . Much of the systems Viggen had in the 70's and 80's would not be availible for other nations Including USA until the early 2000's. This was due to both inasne engineering capabilities of Swedish engineers inside companies like SAAB, VOLVO, Ericsson, and so forth. But also due to diffrent philosophical thinking in both Doctrine and Design criterias. Motivation might also play a part. USA and Britain did not fear a current invasion on their home soil so their planes had a diffrent need. Whilst Sweden was not only fearing it nearly was invaded both during WW2 by Germany, USSR, and the allies, and 1981 when a certain Drink decided to beach itself outside Sweden main naval base and instead of asking for forgivness USSR thought it would be better to invade Swedish territory in order to darg the Sub lose. Or if Sweden decided to raid the Submarine Blow up itself and karlskrona city with two Nuclear Torpedoes which had about the same level of explosive power as Nagasaki's destruction. Thank god for the coastal artillery and its war Radar and the Officer who turned it on the USSR fleet.
What maps exist that dictates what missions are flown ofcourse, but during the Cold War I would expect the Norwegian AF to do any early strikes on Murmansk (Severomorsk/Polyarny) The Swedish AF was more focused on the Soviet/WARPACT baltic coast from Leningrad down to the inter-German border at Travemünde: ports with 'phib ships in them, airfields for airborne etc.
Since Phantoms are here can you recreate the Operation Nordic Hammer from Red Storm Rising? F-4 wild weasels trying to clear the Keflavik air base of SA-11s and ZSU-30( Tunguska is close enough as real life counter part) for the B-52s. Surprise factor a regiment of MiG-29s that are not fully operational yet but have about half a squadron operational.
20:06 Viggen has a night version, it´s a later version, not the first one, they remove some stuff to replace it with night mission electronics. Viggen did come in many different task versions. Same thing with the "spy" Viggen that had cameras to take pictures and video, and that equipment was installed instead of something else and so on.
In early 1989, my class of A&P mechanics, were invited by my teachers son, who, at that time, was wing commander of the SR-71 squadron based there. We went there to observe a maintenance check on the soon to be retired SR-71. During the day we were herded into the briefing room and were able to watch a pre-flight briefing of a live crew/mission and were invited to ask questions. Of course many of our questions weren’t answered as we all wanted the “scoop” on spying on the Russians, but, one of the questions they did get into was weather and its effects on mission planning and how it would help or hinder a missions parameters. When we were asking about weather, they were talking “cruise altitude” weather. The incident over Sweden was a weather induced fuel issue where air temperature aloft was unusual at some 63 deg/F at altitude, admittedely a freakish occurrence, the unusual high temp at altitude caused an exponential consumption of fuel and an emergency divert over Sweden to try and return to Mildenhall. Fuel was a no go and they went to Bødo, being escorted by the Viggens as they did. They wouldn’t say much about operational occurrences but I did find the weather story interesting. The day ended with all of us standing on the runway threshold at the 7000’ marker as the mission launched, probably one of the near religious experiences I’ve ever had!
*Me Like!* Growing up, I thought the Swedish planes were the "coolest." That feeling still lingers with me. _I realize you like bringing your viewers in with you, CAP, but man, you make me nervous flying so close to the other planes and letting them disappear below you some 25 to 50 feet away. (__34:05__ for example)_
This also profoundly bothers me, as a formation pilot in years gone by. Any time you lose the lead below your nose it's a mandatory immediate exit from formation
18:40 Yes it was our Viggen´s that had missile lock one time on the BlackBird, and another time escorted a Blackbird to Germany that only has one engine left and the Soviet fighters where out to get it.
So, prior to the 1950s, the Swedes didnt use delta-wing airframes, but they did still use more unconventional airframes compared to other nations. Lots of rear-facing props and the like.
The reason for the delta wing on the Draken, was the desire to make a high speed, high altitude interceptor, and for that a delta was deemed the best option. For the Viggen, they wanted a aircraft that could fly supersonic, but also be STOL-capable. That meant that a delta canard (or swing wing or blown flaps) was the way to go. For Gripen it was the same. Many different configurations was considered, including what looked like a mini F/A-18, but in the end they decided on a delta-canard. As for night attacks and attacks in fog, rain, snow and so on with Viggen, that was done by radar and nav system. No NVG's were available, or for that matter good enough at the time, for those kind of missions. As for the range, the Air Force allways wanted longer range, with the Lansen and Viggen, but they never got it. They wanted to be able to operate from southwestern Sweden, and be able to strike all over and around the Baltic from those bases. That would realistically have required something more like Buccaneers, A-6s, F-111 or TSR.2.
Its funny, my dad’s friend Peter Linden, who flew JA37 Viggen. Peters wingman on a intercept mission over northern Baltic, also had the call sign “Spyke”
Cool video! But we never had anything but professional pilots. And the Swedish pilots were some of the very best there was. Everything pilot that they did was always in combat status. Every training exercise, missions, patrols, you name it. Always at combat status. That made them extremely good at what they did (Ask your old Jaguar pilots on what REAL low flying is, as they experienced it with Viggen pilots....) One darkside with it though was the number of pilots that died.... Anyways, It's the maintance support that consist 5 of conscripts and a technical officer. It took them 10 minutes to turn the plane around for a new mission.
The Viggen pilots are said to have been some of the most skilled pilots in the world at that time, but it came at a heavy price. Because of the intense training, low altitude and long hours many pilots crashed and died. Same went for the Lansen attack planes a few years earlier, If i remember correctly about a third of all airframes were lost. The pilots trained as close to real combat scenarios as possible and it wasn't rare that a plane would land with pine branches stuck to the belly and wings.
Idea for a content series: Are modern jets better than legacy aircraft in historical battles? Example 1: This mission, but done with Gripens. Example 2: Attack on Pearl Harbour, but the Americans have the same number of defending aircraft but modern and all the ships at the harbour are modern. Example 3: Interception of bombers during the blitz. Same number of aircraft, but the British must use cannon only. To make it science-y, you could run the mission with period aircraft, then again with modern jets. Also: 🎉
I thought BAS100 was not because it's the 100th base, but it's the runway heading? Also pretty sure you weren't getting drop symbology because you hadn't converted the steerpoint to an attack point? TAKT 9. Would show as M8 instead of B8. Maybe had to set the target QNF as well.
10:40 There *never* were any conscript pilots , the closest you could get was to get through your military service as back seater in a J-32 Lansen but even that was contingent on a very high level of motivation and luck, and thus out of reach of 99.95% of conscripts. However, and this is true of the JAS-39 as well, the Viggen could be serviced on ground by a professional crew chief with a team of conscripts.
To be fair what you lads call Hot Cold War we call just another USSR Submarine. The Cold War was generally alot warmer the closer you came to the colder countries. Also Sweden flew regular spy missions over this area of USSR often in actual Spitfires and also some Mustangs in the late 40's and early 50's as the jets were not as suitible for these missions yet. This was the time before full deployment of J29's so Sweden was using Vampires and J21Rs as jets and when it came to cold climate the Spitfires and Mustanges were faster and had longer reach. There might also have been fear of allowing USSR to find out Swedens Jet capabilities when it came to building planes hence why they used American and British planes who USSR knew full well how capable they were.
Finnish borders were incorrect. There is no "arm". For mission it doesn't matter but as finn it does. Just like not having sauna buildings in finnish airbases.
Conscripts were never pilots of anything flying. At best, they were ground crew under the supervision of a technician. Swedish pilots were probably the most and best trained pilots in the world. Always training in 'warlike' conditions, full blast, push the envelope, in every exercise. And the Swedish air force was not small, at its height it was the fourth largest in the world. Also, on a mission like this, in real life. the Swedish AF would probably send 50 Viggens, not 5.
In one of the recent carrier matches, Cap explains that because of the insane range on a lot of the new missles, they don't work on human controlled aircraft. so if Cap did let the boys fly, they would just be defending from 200 mile shots and they'd never get to attack. The ST 21 with SM 6 vs F14B is a great demonstration of what would happen
Cap, it's either your accent or the cutout has a slight delay on it, becuase I heard "I can't tell you why Simba's late, oh never mind I will, *silence* he's sorting his butt out." (paraphrased)
19:55, we would probably have done it at night with no electronics. Just pure talent, like if you have the balls to intercept and have the ability to shoot down a Blackbird, you know you're gangsterus as fuck. The thing with the Blackbird is as you said, it's a spy plane. It went over to Russia on a spy mission, something broke on the plane so they had to turn back to like a base in Britain. The problem they had were that they were like a bit into Russia, they had to fly as fast as they could without breaking the plane. They had like two options, either they had to fly over the Baltic Sea, at like the international Airspace witch were danger close to Russian Airspace. Or risk it and fly over Swedish Airspace. They chose the second one, as they thought it were the safest. As they headed to Swedish Airspace, Russia scrambled jets to intercept, as it would have been a big blow to America as Russia could brag about shooting down Americas masterpiece of a jet. We Swedes noticed the Blackbird, we were up and started escorting the Blackbird before the Russians got there. We had all the right to shoot the Blackbird down, aswell as the Russians if they entered Swedish Airspace. But we didn't, we wanted to remain neutral, and have a good relation to America, Britain and all of the Allies. (We did business with both sides. We traded goods with the Allies and we sold Iron to Germany. If you know anything about Swedish iron, that shit is good. Who doesn't want a good relation with the mother country Germany) Edit: A Swedish Mile? We use the metric system... It's the same everywhere...? Is it not?
In the metric system, the term "mil" is never really used. Instead you use km, 1 Swedish mil being 10 km. The "mil" was an earlier measure that was pretty close to 10 km (from 1649 up to 1889, it was 18 000 ells, the equivalent of 10 689 meters), so when the metric system was introduced, they tweaked it into exactly 10 000 meters to conform to the rest of the system. Oddly enough, it seems that there is a similar unit in Iran, called a "farsang" that have a similar story, being redefined into 10 km in 1926. The mission profile of the SR-71 in question never breached Soviet airspace, but flew over the Baltic Sea - that's why it was called the Baltic Express. It basically went North outside the Finnish coast, turned around and went South outside the Swedish coast, passing between Öland and Gotland in the narrow corridor of international water. It was very predictable, so the Viggens met them head on in a climb in the corridor. When the specific Blackbird had an engine trouble, they had to descend and lower their speed, becoming a target. The Soviets saw the opportunity - probably mainly to get a closer look of the Blackbird rather than actually to shoot it out of the sky. The Swedish Viggens kept them away from getting too up close and personal with the crippled Blackbird.
All three V bombers (Vulcan Valiant Victor) were designed for high altitude, but changed to low level when SAMs became a real threat. Vulcan lasted the longest though as it had a stronger airframe, the others experienced wing and airframe fatigue from the extra stresses of low level flight.
@@abbe2323 I believe Flygvapnet was the 4th largest airforce in the early 70s. But that was with the SK60 (SAAB 105, armed with bombs, rockets and missiles) included.
@17:00 Cap when you are asking what NATO tactics would've been (or in this case Swedish/Finish) I think they would've launched 4 flights. the first being the strike. the second and third would've been EW/bait. The 2nd flight could've come in over high angles and just notched SAM's to drain supplies. The 3rd could've went high or low angles and launched decoy cruise missiles just to scramble the CAP and make them spend valuable fuel and stress C2. The 4th flight would've been the strike. The Russians only had to protect the North Sea fleet from NATO bombers coming in from Germany or more likely over the pole. The way you setup the SAM is completely unrealistic. A50 would've picked up anything coming from Norway and therefore Russia didn't keep that many SAMs on the Finish boarder.
Capt, do you think with America supplying Ukraine with Sidewinder 9X will make a difference?
To shoot down drones and cruise missiles yes, in a dogfight, no because then something have already gone horrible wrong. Its like speak about how long you bayonet is on your assault rifle. Great for parades and "crowd control" but you have totally fucked up if you need to use it in modern combat.
I personally don't think so, reasons here: ua-cam.com/video/MhuPHAPQ0iU/v-deo.html
@@grimreapers Regarding Delta Wings. They are much more efficient. Swept wings are better at higher speeds but the delta wing also comes with the benefit of having additional surface area for lift. The drawback of delta wing aircrafts is that they are less stealthy.
My Dad was stationed at RAF Coltishall in the 70's, I was lucky enough to see a four ship of Viggens when they showed up for a week of combined forces training with the Jaguars at Coltishall. They were just about the coolest aircraft the 12 year old me had ever seen. Loved them ever since.
Some cool facts. At 14:47 you can see "casper the gost" on the tail, that squadron operated out of Ängelholm on the swedish westcost 90 Km north of Malmö sadly its no more but the hypercar manufakter Koenigsegg has moved in and use the facilitys incl. the runway as there test track. As a nood to the old squadron Koenigsegg uses the gost on there cars.
There is still a small non-profit airforce museum left, curated by retired local airforce staff.
@@SonsOfLorgar The chances of seeing this mentioned here now. I was there yesterday lol. Great museum and some of the old guys have a lot of interesting stories to tell!
The show must go on!
Really good video. However, I don't think Sweden would actually send in Viggens without any ability to fight air targets. Either they'd give each plane a couple of IR missiles, or they'd include some sort of fighter escort. Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but the 80's is when Sweden understood the limited survivability of their planes and started to invest heavily into electronic warfare.
And no, Sweden didn't have conscript pilots (unfortunately, I'd love to have been a fighter pilot during my military service). Ground crews were conscripts, but pilots were professionals and generally stayed in the airforce for at least 10 years.
There were however 17 year old pilot trainees flying Viggens but not singleseaters.
that you had to be 18.
Heard of stories of pilot trainees who celebrated their 18th birthday doing their first solo Viggen flight.
I believe We had EW warfare already in the late 50's.
I know that A32 Lansen was used for EW development and training in the mid 70's.
Sweden got the worlds first digital Datalink in 1960 and the worlds first Digital link between planes (4 could share their Sensors and computer strength seamless without pilots command) in 1984, F22 Raptor was the first Nato plane with similar capability.
Best regards.
@@danielkarlsson9326 By EW I mean jammers. From what I read, the Viggen wasn't expected to survive for long against SU-27's and the latest SAM systems. So the airforce bought a whole heap of jamming pods and include them into the standard loadout for every mission.
It's also at this point that EW became a standard feature on the upcoming Gripen.
We did have conscripted pilot during the war (Beredskapstiden), but back then you were in service for much longer. If you look at the list of crashes from that period you find Värnpliktig Flygförare quite often.
And the Swedish army did have conscript pilots for some of their two seat helicopters. But you had to already have your private pilot’s license and quite a number of flying hours to be considered.
AJ37 was dual purpose - both attack and intercept capabilities (however limited in comparison to JA37).
The Viggen is a damn good looking plane, and its performance was top notch for its time, hooray for the Swedish engineers. I don't know how many bases we have here in Finland, but we have a lot of wartime road bases, and they are the favorite places for the police to have speed traps.
I have always thought that the Viggen was such a sexy aircraft and love the Gripen as well. I served with the RN in the operating dept and during a draft to a foreign land I worked with a Swedish anaesthetist who was a pilot who flew the Viggen for real !! I was so envious.
Hey thanks for stopping by here in Finland, Viggens looked very sexy👌I'd say the outcome of the mission was very realistic, cold war era was scary as * for me. Thanks guys!
😳.. Always chilling hearing it from experience 🙏. How's the vibe now?
@@nonsequitorI can't answer on behalf of others but I presume novadays it must be easier to relax somewhat as Russia is much weaker than it was, Finland is quite a bit stronger than it was back then, much less politically isolated and now even allied. That is how I see it anyway. Russian hybrid warfare is annoying however, but generally people in my estimation tend see the prospects of defence as quite credible. This view has been reinforced by the bad performance of Russian military in Ukraine where it tried and failed in exactly the kind of nightmare scenario that our defence forces has been preparing against. I would personally caution against underestimating the threat because of this, since Russia may actually be ruled by a madman.
Of cold war era defence I don't personally know much other than as history. Back then the big worry for defence was apparently so called coup attack, with the intend to faciliate a political crisis to justify Soviet military intervention for political control. The Soviet Union performed military interventions against its own Warsaw pact allies if they seemed to gravitate too much to the west or even just to express their own political self-determination. Fortunately there never were any Soviet attempts at military backed coups in Finland, however.
The most dangerous years of the cold war were the early years, which are known in Finnish historography as the years of danger. Generally the most tense moments culminated in the so called note crisis of 1961 which was connected to the Berlin crisis. There were other political crises and incidents afterwards but mostly the tensions were considered to be lower during the late cold war. The reason was thought to be that by this time Finland had managed to convince both sides of its neutrality.
@@nonsequitor Well, seems the war is not that cold anymore..
Our equivalent of a plane designed to operate from roads or rough terrain was the Jaguar not the Harrier, although the Harrier could operate from roads with its short or vertical take off, it didn't have the undercarriage to take off from rough terrain, that the Jag had, and vertical take off is very fuel hungry limiting the Harriers range, payload and effectiveness. Theres some amazing footage of Jags taking off from rough terrain knocking about.
@@rocketmunkey1 I'd love the Jag in DCS so much. I remember watching an interview with a pilot who said they had a tenancy to pitch forward at speed, making low level flight nerve wracking. Love it when planes have quirks like that to keep you on your toes.
Funny fact: the Viggen project started out as a VTOL project (F-35 configuration). The thrust reverser is the only remnant left in the plane from that development.
Best thing about the Viggen: It had terrain data and could update the INS on that, basically circumventing INS issues over land. Pilots were also expected to fly below 30m at all times in VFR conditions and 50m in IFR or lower, so you were too high most of the time
Yup. If you came back from training missions without at least branch or twigg of pine in the undercarriage youd get roasted by your mates. Good way to show off the map with beatiful landscape, flying low down
I agree with the altitude issue. Those wires crossing the river wouldn't be a problem had you flewn at the proper altitude, passing under them.
When flying over open water 15m was considered to be "high" altitude. The spray behind the aircraft should rise higher than the tail fin. Flying with a negative attitude (nose down) was required to negate the ground effect.
Excellent BK90 work at the end, Strider!
Mjölner 👊🏻
One mechanic and four conscripts...
I remember officers maybe pointing at something, at the most.
Conscripts did all the work. They were pretty independent.
I wasn't in a ready group, but I walked along the landing strips a few times every day.
i was gonna ask you guys to do a mission with the Viggen. but here it is :) thanks cap and the boys.
It would be good to see this mission fleshed out as a proper GR mission, with some of our Viggen gurus. Finland got hornet in 92, so there could be some air cover.
Fun fact about Volvo cars. During the 70s, 80s and at least part of the 90s Volvos estate models were designed so tvo army stretchers would fit in the back meaning every Volvo estate in the whole country could act as a military ambulace transport. The military actually had the right to take your car, if you had one of those models, in case of a war to be used for just that purpose...
And, also, I have actually driven both the recon Viggen simulator and the interceptor Viggen simulator at the airforce base back home when I was a kid. My best friends dad worked as a technician there, so we got to try them out... :D
Once you hit the subpens you probably should have gone left coast towards norwegian border before turning back... Otherwise great job guys... Also you were a bit high a lot of the time for viggens.. I've been overflown by a recon one doing my military service standing at a guardpost in the winter.... and he was litterally scraping the treetops, had snow and pine needles raining over me after he passed and my heart had restarted..
If you can see flat roof surfaces or are looking down onto trees, you are flying too high off the ground in a Viggen 🤣
Well guys i feel really honored because the Pike skins you are you using on those Viggens are actually made by my friend Christian Djurberg AKA TTS Blue Angel who is the Origin Creator of those. He basically made two kind of "Fish Skins" The Pike and The Pike-Perch or as we call it in Sweden Gösen.
Both TTS Blue Angel and i have a clan called TTS (Tactical Team Sweden) my call sign is TTS IceMan.
Greetings from Sweden😎🙌🇸🇪
This obviously happened in 1981, then as a Swedish response to the Sovjet sub getting stuck outside Karlskrona. The whiskey on a rocks insident..
To strike at Murmansk could be the response to the Submarine crew setting off a nuke in Swedish waters when Sweden tried to storm it with marines and take it over.
I love seeing the "flygraka" (those really wide strait parts of the road meant for landing on) on this new map. I have been taking a little break from dcs and coming back to this is amazing. Love from sweden
Straight, not strait. A strait is what we call "sund" in Swedish. ^^
My guess is that Simba got pulled over for speeding, which caused him to be late. Simba is a speed demon. 😈
That landing sequences at the beginning gave me a good old stick hahahaha
I requested this same thing months ago, and I'm glad you're doing it one way or another. Very cool! And with the two coolest jets of the 60's, even.
Murmansk... You should've had "Hymn to Red October" playing in the background, Cap! 😄
Swdish pilots was not conscripts. They whete choisen via the conscript network, then typically signed for a 10 year contract. Typically they would be active service pilots untill they turned 46 then they would be transfered to instructor, test pilot or civilian service. Sweden would still have lansen and draken operational in the early to mid 80s. On a mission like this i would say they would proboly use a mix of lansen and draken due to the very high risk.
The training would typically be 6 month in a prop, 6 month in a jet trainer than 4 years in a fighter trainer, then after that you would get your first base placement.
Worth saying is that about 600 pilot and airforce crew died in sweden during the cold war in combat training.
The airforce had its own comando forces that was trained to be behind enemy lines.for month to pick up and guied pilots to get back to base. Yea... they would need to walk back (untill the got into the logistic network.)
Swedens airforce was very large at this date with over 600 active planes and twice that pilots and about 2000 landing strips.... yes.. that is not a typo. 2000. And that is on top of the non landingstrips roads that was sort of a 3rd level emegancy landing strip.
When the road need to be only 9 meter wide, there is a lot of roads to be chosen between
Fun mission. Neat cockpit configuration on the Viggin! Thank you!
You're flying pretty high for being an attackviggen flight.
Agree
@@grimreapers In my youth, I spent two weeks at a summer camp at a Swedish airforce base. We once had two attack viggens fly over us at probably 15-20 meters above sea level. I later learned from a coworker who was a retired recon viggen pilot that this was considered high. I guess they didn't want to accidentally splash a bunch of kids in canoes. :)
@@Pallidumyes. My Uncle started flying on the Draken and retrained on the Viggen. It wasn't rare for pilots to return with pine needles and twigs hanging on the weapon pylons or jammed in the elevons and flap joints...
There's also supposed to be recon photos of the underside of the Öland bridge (to get a photo of the underside of a bridge, the recon version of the Viggen would have to fly inverted under the bridge...)
We also had a 1/week casualty ratio for combat pilots from 1950 and until the Gripen entered service...
@@SonsOfLorgar Flyg hård och stridsmässigt! :)
11:00 Swedish pilots were retained and kept, you're not a conscript anymore if you're a pilot. But everyone started as a conscript back then so... A ground crew for a Gripen is 8 if i remember right so it might be the same for the Viggen.
And another point is the flying, the whole design philosophy is to have the plane be as simple as possible to fly so the pilot can focus on other things, not to have conscripts fly the plane. xD
edit: Bruh, a small spelling misstake error corrected removed the (
Isnt it 8+1 per flight wing (that is two aircrafts?)
You are probably right, 8 conscripts + 1 officer.
We definitely did not have 8 people for one Viggen.
What the hell would they all do???
@@svensvensson2724 Rearm the craft? The ground crew for a F-16 is 20 something.
Edit: To expand on this, imagine. A gripen have done a sortie, your crew of 8+1 is waiting for you on a decent road in Värmland for you to land, you have like 4 slots for ordinance, 2 on each wing, one for a fuel tank on the belly or a big bomb. The one officer oversees the procedure of rearming and refueling while the others using this pulley system tool(cant remember the name, bamse?) with which each individual can lift 250kg each, you can combine these to lift heavier ordinance, 500, 750, 1000, 1250kg. The refueling with the Gripen atleast is slower then the rearming.
@@Lundis919191 Americans are nuts.
I see Viggen, I watch.
Love the banter with buddies, that’s why I Stay.
🇨🇦 Army Vet
thx
Nice vid Cap, like to see more of these scenario´s in the future ^^
One thing, the large red numbers on the air frame, will be removed in wartime. So it feel wrong to see them on a wartime mission.
So you asked and you shall receive, Delta wing aircraft has more lift and lower stall speeds compared to regular aircraft
. Sweden's Aircraft strategy was implemented due to the fear of bombing our airports if we went to war. The result of this was our highway was widened to allow Aircraft to land on them. Viggen could land on 500m roads which later was increased to 800m.
There are two types of Viggen AJ And AJS. AJS stand for ''ATTACK'' ''JAKT'' ''SPANING''
Don't quote me but I believe the Aj37 was mainly designed to meet the soviet fleet in the Baltic and ground troops.
You get bonus points for not using the Autopilot and only the assistant aka SPAK
BAS100 doesn't mean it's the 100th base. It's just a weird name the DCS guys selected for the Finnish road base.
And they named a map that encompasses basically the entire Lapland 'Kola map'...
The whole system with road basing was originally named "Bas 60" (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bas_60 ) and then updated to "Bas 90" (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bas_90 ). Thats probably where they got the "BAS100" designation from? (edit: hope the links work now)
Glad you're feeling better and your voice is up to 30mins of quality bants Cap🙂 💪👊
17:30
Cap said it was relatively good on gas. Let me tell you, it was not. Without afterburner it was fine but with full afterburner engaged it burned through 6000 liters a minute
I never saw one without the external fuel tank.
Ever.
22:00 Simba having a real life job. 😱
What a nightmare, somebody please help him!
Agreed
Took me back to the Thunder Chunky Mission, great job guys :)
Hey cap, always willing to watch a viggen video, its my favorite plane, i always watch the briefing as well
Not flown by conscripts, serviced by them. Pilot training was many years...
RAF English Electric Lightnings intercepted Blackbirds. I seem to remember reading that an SR-71 pilot was well surprised when a pair of Lightnings actually got above his aircraft and would have been able to intercept. They had the speed too....
Lighting had the engine power just like the MIG 25 and J35 Draken.
But the diffrence was that viggen had something no other intercepter had during this Complete Digital computer both onboard the plane and via Datalink and Hunterlink.
This meant Viggen had the computer power needed to not only find the planes but to also shoot them down if USA would ever decide to start a war with Sweden.
Viggen wasnt the fastest but it was the only system which had all the parts needed to with a decent margin to actually shoot down SR-71's even with them Jamming .
Much of the systems Viggen had in the 70's and 80's would not be availible for other nations Including USA until the early 2000's.
This was due to both inasne engineering capabilities of Swedish engineers inside companies like SAAB, VOLVO, Ericsson, and so forth.
But also due to diffrent philosophical thinking in both Doctrine and Design criterias.
Motivation might also play a part.
USA and Britain did not fear a current invasion on their home soil so their planes had a diffrent need.
Whilst Sweden was not only fearing it nearly was invaded both during WW2 by Germany, USSR, and the allies,
and 1981 when a certain Drink decided to beach itself outside Sweden main naval base and instead of asking for forgivness USSR thought it would be better to invade Swedish territory in order to darg the Sub lose.
Or if Sweden decided to raid the Submarine Blow up itself and karlskrona city with two Nuclear Torpedoes which had about the same level of explosive power as Nagasaki's destruction.
Thank god for the coastal artillery and its war Radar and the Officer who turned it on the USSR fleet.
What maps exist that dictates what missions are flown ofcourse, but during the Cold War I would expect the Norwegian AF to do any early strikes on Murmansk (Severomorsk/Polyarny)
The Swedish AF was more focused on the Soviet/WARPACT baltic coast from Leningrad down to the inter-German border at Travemünde: ports with 'phib ships in them, airfields for airborne etc.
Since Phantoms are here can you recreate the Operation Nordic Hammer from Red Storm Rising? F-4 wild weasels trying to clear the Keflavik air base of SA-11s and ZSU-30( Tunguska is close enough as real life counter part) for the B-52s. Surprise factor a regiment of MiG-29s that are not fully operational yet but have about half a squadron operational.
20:06 Viggen has a night version, it´s a later version, not the first one, they remove some stuff to replace it with night mission electronics. Viggen did come in many different task versions. Same thing with the "spy" Viggen that had cameras to take pictures and video, and that equipment was installed instead of something else and so on.
What a beautiful flock of Tuffted Ducks!
In early 1989, my class of A&P mechanics, were invited by my teachers son, who, at that time, was wing commander of the SR-71 squadron based there. We went there to observe a maintenance check on the soon to be retired SR-71. During the day we were herded into the briefing room and were able to watch a pre-flight briefing of a live crew/mission and were invited to ask questions. Of course many of our questions weren’t answered as we all wanted the “scoop” on spying on the Russians, but, one of the questions they did get into was weather and its effects on mission planning and how it would help or hinder a missions parameters. When we were asking about weather, they were talking “cruise altitude” weather. The incident over Sweden was a weather induced fuel issue where air temperature aloft was unusual at some 63 deg/F at altitude, admittedely a freakish occurrence, the unusual high temp at altitude caused an exponential consumption of fuel and an emergency divert over Sweden to try and return to Mildenhall. Fuel was a no go and they went to Bødo, being escorted by the Viggens as they did. They wouldn’t say much about operational occurrences but I did find the weather story interesting. The day ended with all of us standing on the runway threshold at the 7000’ marker as the mission launched, probably one of the near religious experiences I’ve ever had!
Cool story.
However I think you are referring to a different emergency than the incident with the Viggen escort which happened over Gotland.
*Me Like!* Growing up, I thought the Swedish planes were the "coolest." That feeling still lingers with me.
_I realize you like bringing your viewers in with you, CAP, but man, you make me nervous flying so close to the other planes and letting them disappear below you some 25 to 50 feet away. (__34:05__ for example)_
You want closer? :)
@@grimreapers I wanna hear the bump of the metal without the crash! 😇
This also profoundly bothers me, as a formation pilot in years gone by. Any time you lose the lead below your nose it's a mandatory immediate exit from formation
@@harryspeakup8452 if he can see the surface of flat rooftops he's flying too high with a Viggen.
18:40 Yes it was our Viggen´s that had missile lock one time on the BlackBird, and another time escorted a Blackbird to Germany that only has one engine left and the Soviet fighters where out to get it.
We also had the Lansen and Tunnan wich aren`t delta wings.Very exciting aircraft but not as well known.
So, prior to the 1950s, the Swedes didnt use delta-wing airframes, but they did still use more unconventional airframes compared to other nations. Lots of rear-facing props and the like.
The rear-facing props come from the Karlsson-on-the-Roof genetics
The reason for the delta wing on the Draken, was the desire to make a high speed, high altitude interceptor, and for that a delta was deemed the best option. For the Viggen, they wanted a aircraft that could fly supersonic, but also be STOL-capable. That meant that a delta canard (or swing wing or blown flaps) was the way to go. For Gripen it was the same. Many different configurations was considered, including what looked like a mini F/A-18, but in the end they decided on a delta-canard. As for night attacks and attacks in fog, rain, snow and so on with Viggen, that was done by radar and nav system. No NVG's were available, or for that matter good enough at the time, for those kind of missions. As for the range, the Air Force allways wanted longer range, with the Lansen and Viggen, but they never got it. They wanted to be able to operate from southwestern Sweden, and be able to strike all over and around the Baltic from those bases. That would realistically have required something more like Buccaneers, A-6s, F-111 or TSR.2.
Its funny, my dad’s friend Peter Linden, who flew JA37 Viggen.
Peters wingman on a intercept mission over northern Baltic, also had the call sign “Spyke”
Cool video! But we never had anything but professional pilots. And the Swedish pilots were some of the very best there was. Everything pilot that they did was always in combat status. Every training exercise, missions, patrols, you name it. Always at combat status.
That made them extremely good at what they did (Ask your old Jaguar pilots on what REAL low flying is, as they experienced it with Viggen pilots....)
One darkside with it though was the number of pilots that died....
Anyways, It's the maintance support that consist 5 of conscripts and a technical officer. It took them 10 minutes to turn the plane around for a new mission.
The Viggen pilots are said to have been some of the most skilled pilots in the world at that time, but it came at a heavy price. Because of the intense training, low altitude and long hours many pilots crashed and died. Same went for the Lansen attack planes a few years earlier, If i remember correctly about a third of all airframes were lost. The pilots trained as close to real combat scenarios as possible and it wasn't rare that a plane would land with pine branches stuck to the belly and wings.
Idea for a content series: Are modern jets better than legacy aircraft in historical battles?
Example 1:
This mission, but done with Gripens.
Example 2:
Attack on Pearl Harbour, but the Americans have the same number of defending aircraft but modern and all the ships at the harbour are modern.
Example 3:
Interception of bombers during the blitz. Same number of aircraft, but the British must use cannon only.
To make it science-y, you could run the mission with period aircraft, then again with modern jets.
Also: 🎉
There is no point of war if your not sexy! Never a truer statement. Caps quotes are always noteworthy.
I thought BAS100 was not because it's the 100th base, but it's the runway heading?
Also pretty sure you weren't getting drop symbology because you hadn't converted the steerpoint to an attack point? TAKT 9. Would show as M8 instead of B8. Maybe had to set the target QNF as well.
Yup def forgot TAKT 9. Sooo much to remember :(
10:40 There *never* were any conscript pilots , the closest you could get was to get through your military service as back seater in a J-32 Lansen but even that was contingent on a very high level of motivation and luck, and thus out of reach of 99.95% of conscripts.
However, and this is true of the JAS-39 as well, the Viggen could be serviced on ground by a professional crew chief with a team of conscripts.
They would not be flown by conscripts but the ground crew would be 5 conscripts and one crew chief.
To be fair what you lads call Hot Cold War we call just another USSR Submarine.
The Cold War was generally alot warmer the closer you came to the colder countries.
Also Sweden flew regular spy missions over this area of USSR often in actual Spitfires and also some Mustangs in the late 40's and early 50's as the jets were not as suitible for these missions yet.
This was the time before full deployment of J29's so Sweden was using Vampires and J21Rs as jets and when it came to cold climate the Spitfires and Mustanges were faster and had longer reach.
There might also have been fear of allowing USSR to find out Swedens Jet capabilities when it came to building planes hence why they used American and British planes who USSR knew full well how capable they were.
In the words of the Red Alert 2 Demo Truck: One way trip!
This and our Jag are firm favs! 🏆
Finnish borders were incorrect. There is no "arm". For mission it doesn't matter but as finn it does. Just like not having sauna buildings in finnish airbases.
Fun fact: The Draken was the first plane to do the cobra maneuvers a decade before soviet
This is a mission in F-15 strike eagle II. :)
Bit jealous of Cap getting to see that Draken now. One of the most beautiful jets ever made.
question to the entire grim reapers squadron:
When flying the mission did everyone use their IKEA Poang Chair?
Shout out to Janes F/A-18 campaign!
Except that the north of Sweden (MILO ÖN) didn’t have any SAAB AJ37 assigned to them but instead they had the military version of SAAB 105.
Swedens aircraft , are , for a actually small country, kinda good.. and look really good
JA37 VIGGEN was in service from 1980 to 2007
Love the Swedish Camo colour scheme 👍♥️
Really cool video.
No Pilots are not conscripts . The mechanics are conscripts and technischan is an Officer and employed . Former Technischan on J35 Draken ;-)
No Blood powerpoint?!
sad times
Excellent video and, VERY topical eh chaps??
Topical best errr... Cal
Team GR on takeoff at 100 !!!
This mission has strong Microprose F-19 vibes. I hated the sub pen missions, they were so hard to bomb when I was a kid
Bit of a miss to use the BK90s if the scenario is for the early 80s. They only entered service in 1997.
The pucker factor
Sorry Cap, but you don't know how to mission plan.
Correct
"get your rat out for the lads" bro 💀
Conscripts were never pilots of anything flying. At best, they were ground crew under the supervision of a technician.
Swedish pilots were probably the most and best trained pilots in the world. Always training in 'warlike' conditions, full blast, push the envelope, in every exercise.
And the Swedish air force was not small, at its height it was the fourth largest in the world.
Also, on a mission like this, in real life. the Swedish AF would probably send 50 Viggens, not 5.
Day 18 of asking Cap to bring humans back to carrier battles
Including the bridge view when things are really popping off
In one of the recent carrier matches, Cap explains that because of the insane range on a lot of the new missles, they don't work on human controlled aircraft. so if Cap did let the boys fly, they would just be defending from 200 mile shots and they'd never get to attack. The ST 21 with SM 6 vs F14B is a great demonstration of what would happen
Caps not coming back
"Hes gettin sniz on the reg" - Steve smith
Cap, it's either your accent or the cutout has a slight delay on it, becuase I heard "I can't tell you why Simba's late, oh never mind I will, *silence* he's sorting his butt out." (paraphrased)
This... But with WW2 era aircraft and equipment.
19:55, we would probably have done it at night with no electronics. Just pure talent, like if you have the balls to intercept and have the ability to shoot down a Blackbird, you know you're gangsterus as fuck.
The thing with the Blackbird is as you said, it's a spy plane. It went over to Russia on a spy mission, something broke on the plane so they had to turn back to like a base in Britain. The problem they had were that they were like a bit into Russia, they had to fly as fast as they could without breaking the plane.
They had like two options, either they had to fly over the Baltic Sea, at like the international Airspace witch were danger close to Russian Airspace. Or risk it and fly over Swedish Airspace.
They chose the second one, as they thought it were the safest. As they headed to Swedish Airspace, Russia scrambled jets to intercept, as it would have been a big blow to America as Russia could brag about shooting down Americas masterpiece of a jet. We Swedes noticed the Blackbird, we were up and started escorting the Blackbird before the Russians got there.
We had all the right to shoot the Blackbird down, aswell as the Russians if they entered Swedish Airspace. But we didn't, we wanted to remain neutral, and have a good relation to America, Britain and all of the Allies.
(We did business with both sides. We traded goods with the Allies and we sold Iron to Germany. If you know anything about Swedish iron, that shit is good. Who doesn't want a good relation with the mother country Germany)
Edit: A Swedish Mile? We use the metric system... It's the same everywhere...? Is it not?
In the metric system, the term "mil" is never really used. Instead you use km, 1 Swedish mil being 10 km. The "mil" was an earlier measure that was pretty close to 10 km (from 1649 up to 1889, it was 18 000 ells, the equivalent of 10 689 meters), so when the metric system was introduced, they tweaked it into exactly 10 000 meters to conform to the rest of the system. Oddly enough, it seems that there is a similar unit in Iran, called a "farsang" that have a similar story, being redefined into 10 km in 1926.
The mission profile of the SR-71 in question never breached Soviet airspace, but flew over the Baltic Sea - that's why it was called the Baltic Express. It basically went North outside the Finnish coast, turned around and went South outside the Swedish coast, passing between Öland and Gotland in the narrow corridor of international water. It was very predictable, so the Viggens met them head on in a climb in the corridor.
When the specific Blackbird had an engine trouble, they had to descend and lower their speed, becoming a target. The Soviets saw the opportunity - probably mainly to get a closer look of the Blackbird rather than actually to shoot it out of the sky. The Swedish Viggens kept them away from getting too up close and personal with the crippled Blackbird.
That became kind of topical by accident...
Yes it did...
Isn’t the Bk90 a stand off weapon?
Wasn't the Vulcan bomber initially designed for low level attacks, i suppose as wasl all allied attack aircraft of the era.
All three V bombers (Vulcan Valiant Victor) were designed for high altitude, but changed to low level when SAMs became a real threat. Vulcan lasted the longest though as it had a stronger airframe, the others experienced wing and airframe fatigue from the extra stresses of low level flight.
@@nullterm I'm not into planes but imagine flying a Vulcan through the Mac Loop
You should check out the book - The third world war by General Sir John Hackett
did the first batch of bombs not arm in time? looked like they dead-dropped
Ukraine: sinks Kilo class submarine "Rostov na Donu"
[GR]:
Does DCS have tactical nu kes?
I have a Saab 9-5 Aero so TECHNICALLY, I drive a Viggen.....
wow!
Swedish air Forces pilots had protected id during the Cold War if cold war got hot and Sweden had 5 larges Air Force in the world during The Cold War
@@abbe2323
I believe Flygvapnet was the 4th largest airforce in the early 70s. But that was with the SK60 (SAAB 105, armed with bombs, rockets and missiles) included.
That's no space station, It's a Moon
@17:00 Cap when you are asking what NATO tactics would've been (or in this case Swedish/Finish) I think they would've launched 4 flights. the first being the strike. the second and third would've been EW/bait. The 2nd flight could've come in over high angles and just notched SAM's to drain supplies. The 3rd could've went high or low angles and launched decoy cruise missiles just to scramble the CAP and make them spend valuable fuel and stress C2. The 4th flight would've been the strike. The Russians only had to protect the North Sea fleet from NATO bombers coming in from Germany or more likely over the pole. The way you setup the SAM is completely unrealistic. A50 would've picked up anything coming from Norway and therefore Russia didn't keep that many SAMs on the Finish boarder.
Pilots trained at 30ft (and abow ?) at 650kt ( mach0.95) life expectancy 1 week. (In war)
Comrad Vlad not happy, come and discuss while having tea, Millenium hotel, London
Where did you get that map and mission?