Two half inch layers is absolutly nuts for 250s considering the frequency NHRL is breaching the first layer of their 3/8" lexan with just 3, 12 and 30 pound robots.
can agree, i was cageside for depth charge breaching the arena due to my match being rigth after,it was geniunely terrifying, if a 45 lb bot can do that, then throwing a 250 lb bot is insanity and is very scary,i wouldnt be caught dead being by that arena for a HW match
Yeah bunny captain of the white rabbit/malice team said she was actually hit by debris in a fight but luckily she wasn't injured. These event organisers are playing with litigation fire.
@Ryansj0124 indeed nothing less of a miracle she's safe if you ask me. It could have ended so much worse but the RG organisers don't seem to care much for that apparently (as they seem to perceive it) little irrelevant thing called human life...
Promoters may yet kill the golden goose. There needs to be a properly engineered arena. Proper, emergency, negative pressure, air evacuation of the combat area is essential for the safety of everyone. No one should approach or handle a burning bot without a full facemask, organic vapors respirator, insulated Kevlar gloves, a fireproof suit and steel toed shoes. I am surprised that local venues will allow this outfit to lease space for their events. The potential liabilities seem out of control. Wait until insurers get a better understanding of what is going on. That may fix or stop everything. Fans may want to consider if there is actually any liability umbrella covering them when they attend these events. That being said, I love watching robot combat at any level.
Robogames lexan is ONLY 1/2 inch thick? 😳😳😲😲 Jesus christ the battlebox is 2 layers and I think both of those are 1.2 or so inches thick and the moment it's exposed to any fire it automatically gets replaced by Trey Roski and his team no exceptions. Robogames could do to learn a thing or two (or 20) from those guys.
@TheInvertedFollicle507 RoboGames have dual layers, 1/2 inch thick each. However, they are either supposed to have a reduced tip speed limit or thicker walls. That's not even taking to account the additional 30 lb US heavyweights carry.
@@Dysphoros they're also supposed to know what the hell they are doing, especially when dealing with purpose built death machines that could easily reduce any human being to a messy pile of gloop in a fraction of a second. It's disgusting and offensive they're taking such unacceptable liberties with the safety of those in attendance like this.
Unfortunately I doubt Robogames will ever get it together. They had multiple breaches the past few years and despite all the claims they had fixed things, people still got hurt at the latest one. I think it's best not to run any more events. At least not with that arena.
They fix things that are involved in accidents. They seem to not grasp the concept of "precautions". I'm trying my best not to talk about that *one guy* who's not allowing management to be improved. People who choose to support or work for him are still liable. It's still a collective effort.
Ive competed at robogames with the other 250lb bots and met dave calkens, safe to say i dont think you could ever change his mind about the arena Hell the man was wearing a naval jacket with a swastika crossed out on his shoulder, there is no way he allows improvement
From an outsider's POV, the box and systems seem less professional than in Battlebots. Sadly, it seems that the considerable costs are killing the sport. One way of making it cheaper would be to ban spinners, but that would make the demolitions less spectacular. Still some robots grappling and hammering is better than no robot fighting at all.
@AlmostEthical RoboGames is known for sportsman excellence so it could go in that direction. Extreme Robots and UK live scene has demonstrated that you can run spinners at a much lower budget with 220lbs and a reduced tip speed limit. They do it sparingly.
@@Dysphoros Yes, rules that nerf spinners enough so that other bots can consistently compete with them makes sense. And if the bots can't readily damage the box, that will reduce costs.
So there's a bit of a story behind why they didn't stream. So over the past 3 years Pong over at the Synshop Twitch channel has building up is streaming set up for robot events. Hes been to quite a few events. He was approached to do the Robo Games stream for both Robot Combat Events finals and for the Heavy weights. I'm going to simplify it as best as I can. But there was some confusion about the rules of the venue. So Pong reached out to the Robo Games staff to get clarification. After getting the clarification Calkens found out about it, went off on Pong and Banned him from Robo Games.
This feels genuinely braindead. I saw a video once of a kid in a poorly designed small robot arena be wacked with shrapnel and apparent sustained a broken jaw. The arena being so poorly designed is one thing but the audacity to continue after blatant safety breaches just makes me cringe at the thought of the organizers clearly not caring.
@@TheLiverpoolOwen Yeah actually you can read it, please feel free to let me know if I said anything wrong or incorrect! "Attended Robogames 2024, I only heard about the breach after it happened and it was pretty shocking to me. I thought this type of stuff was taken care of and absolutely should not have been allowed to happen in the first place. But before we jump to conclusions please remember that Robogames is not like battlebots. They do not have a tenth of the budget that battlebots does and it would be very expensive to replace the box. I absolutely agree with everything you said, they need to update the box and safety standards of the event. It gives robot combat a bad look especially to the public eye. I just don't think they have the budget for it, I hope that Dave is looking into a new box, and I wouldn't mind if they took a year off to make an updated safer battlebox and updated safety standards. Personally I think its entirely a budgetary issue, I really wish that this gets taken care of, we all love Robogames and we don't want it to fall apart because of a lack of safety or if something worse happens. I hope that makes sense :) PS: Also their is a tip-speed limit. Its stated in the SPARC ruleset that we all follow, its 250mph for 250lb bots. Those on the robogames website are just the rules specifically for Robogames. Have a good day and thank you for listening to my ted talk. :)" I do not wanna cause any kind of offence to anyone! I just gave my perspective😃
@@TheLiverpoolOwen Seems it was taken out or perhaps shadowbanned? Not sure may just be UA-cam, but basically I said along the lines of how it was pretty shocking that the breach happened! I didn't find out till after and it absolutely should not have happened! But at the same time that robogames isn't battlebots and does not have the same budget as the show. I think that's why it hasn't been updated because of that. The safety regulations should also be updated. I also mentioned how their is a tip speed limit for 250lb bots of 250mph. Not too sure why it was removed? I love robogames and I really want this to be fixed, I just hope that Dave listens to the criticisms and actually fixes these serious problems before anyone else gets hurt! I do not wanna cause any kind of offence to anyone! I just gave my perspective
I didn't remove any comments. UA-cam screws me over with the shadowban sometimes. Also, Dave is a guy that requires a whole video of his own. He's not receptive to criticisms from what I've seen.
Two half inch layers is absolutly nuts for 250s considering the frequency NHRL is breaching the first layer of their 3/8" lexan with just 3, 12 and 30 pound robots.
The most viral break was a 45lbser but it's still absolutely crazy they're getting away with a plate that thin
can agree, i was cageside for depth charge breaching the arena due to my match being rigth after,it was geniunely terrifying, if a 45 lb bot can do that, then throwing a 250 lb bot is insanity and is very scary,i wouldnt be caught dead being by that arena for a HW match
Yeah bunny captain of the white rabbit/malice team said she was actually hit by debris in a fight but luckily she wasn't injured. These event organisers are playing with litigation fire.
Thank god Bunny was alright.
@Ryansj0124 indeed nothing less of a miracle she's safe if you ask me. It could have ended so much worse but the RG organisers don't seem to care much for that apparently (as they seem to perceive it) little irrelevant thing called human life...
unless they get their shit together, robogames is going to be done for
I think just the heavy weight event should be cancelled as it's cased the only problems so far.
Good summary. Been going to Robogames for over 10 years and won’t be back unless I’m very confident their cage and safety protocol is improved.
This video is 100% true. Robogames needs to get there arena safety together and not use the same arena from the 2000's.
N95 filters (or pretty much any respirator) do nothing against smoke...only safe approach for lithium battery fires is an SCBA
Promoters may yet kill the golden goose. There needs to be a properly engineered arena. Proper, emergency, negative pressure, air evacuation of the combat area is essential for the safety of everyone. No one should approach or handle a burning bot without a full facemask, organic vapors respirator, insulated Kevlar gloves, a fireproof suit and steel toed shoes.
I am surprised that local venues will allow this outfit to lease space for their events. The potential liabilities seem out of control. Wait until insurers get a better understanding of what is going on. That may fix or stop everything. Fans may want to consider if there is actually any liability umbrella covering them when they attend these events.
That being said, I love watching robot combat at any level.
Robogames lexan is ONLY 1/2 inch thick? 😳😳😲😲 Jesus christ the battlebox is 2 layers and I think both of those are 1.2 or so inches thick and the moment it's exposed to any fire it automatically gets replaced by Trey Roski and his team no exceptions. Robogames could do to learn a thing or two (or 20) from those guys.
@TheInvertedFollicle507 RoboGames have dual layers, 1/2 inch thick each. However, they are either supposed to have a reduced tip speed limit or thicker walls. That's not even taking to account the additional 30 lb US heavyweights carry.
@@Dysphoros they're also supposed to know what the hell they are doing, especially when dealing with purpose built death machines that could easily reduce any human being to a messy pile of gloop in a fraction of a second.
It's disgusting and offensive they're taking such unacceptable liberties with the safety of those in attendance like this.
I mean I was just thinking it was a bit of incompetent cowboy stuff but
>no tip speed limit
That's just absolute insanity.
Unfortunately I doubt Robogames will ever get it together. They had multiple breaches the past few years and despite all the claims they had fixed things, people still got hurt at the latest one. I think it's best not to run any more events. At least not with that arena.
They fix things that are involved in accidents. They seem to not grasp the concept of "precautions". I'm trying my best not to talk about that *one guy* who's not allowing management to be improved. People who choose to support or work for him are still liable. It's still a collective effort.
Ive competed at robogames with the other 250lb bots and met dave calkens, safe to say i dont think you could ever change his mind about the arena
Hell the man was wearing a naval jacket with a swastika crossed out on his shoulder, there is no way he allows improvement
Robogames is like battlebots but in one of those weird dreams I haave where im in a franchise or event but everthing is off or old and unsafe
From an outsider's POV, the box and systems seem less professional than in Battlebots. Sadly, it seems that the considerable costs are killing the sport. One way of making it cheaper would be to ban spinners, but that would make the demolitions less spectacular. Still some robots grappling and hammering is better than no robot fighting at all.
@AlmostEthical RoboGames is known for sportsman excellence so it could go in that direction. Extreme Robots and UK live scene has demonstrated that you can run spinners at a much lower budget with 220lbs and a reduced tip speed limit. They do it sparingly.
@@Dysphoros Yes, rules that nerf spinners enough so that other bots can consistently compete with them makes sense. And if the bots can't readily damage the box, that will reduce costs.
So there's a bit of a story behind why they didn't stream.
So over the past 3 years Pong over at the Synshop Twitch channel has building up is streaming set up for robot events. Hes been to quite a few events. He was approached to do the Robo Games stream for both Robot Combat Events finals and for the Heavy weights. I'm going to simplify it as best as I can. But there was some confusion about the rules of the venue. So Pong reached out to the Robo Games staff to get clarification. After getting the clarification Calkens found out about it, went off on Pong and Banned him from Robo Games.
Think how dreadful it would be for the sport should someone be injured or even killed. They need to make safe or pull the plug on the event.
This feels genuinely braindead. I saw a video once of a kid in a poorly designed small robot arena be wacked with shrapnel and apparent sustained a broken jaw. The arena being so poorly designed is one thing but the audacity to continue after blatant safety breaches just makes me cringe at the thought of the organizers clearly not caring.
could the police or some safety agency start some sort of investigation?
great video dude. you remind me of Frauded
Hello again! I understand that my comment might have been removed, might I ask why if that's alright?
what was your comment about?
@@TheLiverpoolOwen Yeah actually you can read it, please feel free to let me know if I said anything wrong or incorrect!
"Attended Robogames 2024, I only heard about the breach after it happened and it was pretty shocking to me. I thought this type of stuff was taken care of and absolutely should not have been allowed to happen in the first place. But before we jump to conclusions please remember that Robogames is not like battlebots.
They do not have a tenth of the budget that battlebots does and it would be very expensive to replace the box. I absolutely agree with everything you said, they need to update the box and safety standards of the event. It gives robot combat a bad look especially to the public eye. I just don't think they have the budget for it, I hope that Dave is looking into a new box, and I wouldn't mind if they took a year off to make an updated safer battlebox and updated safety standards. Personally I think its entirely a budgetary issue, I really wish that this gets taken care of, we all love Robogames and we don't want it to fall apart because of a lack of safety or if something worse happens. I hope that makes sense :)
PS: Also their is a tip-speed limit. Its stated in the SPARC ruleset that we all follow, its 250mph for 250lb bots. Those on the robogames website are just the rules specifically for Robogames.
Have a good day and thank you for listening to my ted talk. :)"
I do not wanna cause any kind of offence to anyone! I just gave my perspective😃
@@TheLiverpoolOwen Seems it was taken out or perhaps shadowbanned? Not sure may just be UA-cam, but basically I said along the lines of how it was pretty shocking that the breach happened! I didn't find out till after and it absolutely should not have happened! But at the same time that robogames isn't battlebots and does not have the same budget as the show. I think that's why it hasn't been updated because of that. The safety regulations should also be updated. I also mentioned how their is a tip speed limit for 250lb bots of 250mph. Not too sure why it was removed? I love robogames and I really want this to be fixed, I just hope that Dave listens to the criticisms and actually fixes these serious problems before anyone else gets hurt!
I do not wanna cause any kind of offence to anyone! I just gave my perspective
I didn't remove any comments. UA-cam screws me over with the shadowban sometimes. Also, Dave is a guy that requires a whole video of his own. He's not receptive to criticisms from what I've seen.
@@Dysphoros That's super weird! UA-cam must be glitching out lol