I think Latvia benefited from having a good song, very good singer and neutral staging. in the year of over all drama and of some stagings being to much, they (and France) became the choice for people who were tired of the mess.
I pretty much agree with your views about the odds, they turned out to be totally unreliable in the end. For one, they had Latvia dead last in SF2 with no hope of qualifying, and Dons ended up making it to the final. Germany was predicted to finish in the bottom 2 in the final, and Isaak ended up 12th. So that proves the odds should not be taken as gospel, it's what one does in those 3 minutes on stage that determines their success in the contest
for sure. Last year they were way more accurate but this year the worst rate probably in the history. Imo the issue starts with the separated voting systems for sf and gf and this year rly kicked in. Also Dons had amazing marketing supported abroad for voting so people probably knew him more visually. Many factors but for odds deadly.
I totally agree with the „it’s not for the community but 186 million people“! This! Some artists get tricked into thinking being a fan favourite means it will do well. Often it’s just a little fan bubble who hypes a song. Even Nemo won only by the many votes of the jury. It was not a public magnet in a way Croatia or France were. Croatia for the younger people, France for the older audience who loved their classic Eurovision songs.
Lol.... nemo literally got the same points as france and croatia only got that much points because it's basically a combined score of Netherlands and Croatia..... the hatred for nemo is making u guys loose braincells.....
@@Rash23215 Hatred? I love The Code! But I‘m trying to analyze unbiased here. And if we are honest, the 5th in the public vote isn’t the most wanted by the public. Even if you don’t count Ukraine and Israel (because some of their votes might be political) there‘s still Croatia and France that got more public points. The real winner is Croatia, I‘m sorry. Or maybe France because public and jury are not much apart. Nemo is brilliant, the staging and the song are brilliant but it’s imho not THE winner.
@@xGameDragonx again.... i repeat..... france and nemo has practically the same score.... and as ukraine and israhell doesn't count they're basically joint 2nd.... so nemo basically came 2nd in televotes despite a significant majority of homophobic crowd shutting him down just because of his dress and identity...... and croatia is only a televote winner because joost was disqualified..... otherwise he would've been even lower than switzerland and france..... u cringe croatia fans should be thankful to king joost otherwise baby spineless lasagna would've been a total flop if joost was in final.... and cry as much as you want, Nemo IS the winner, nothing could change that least of all u whiney cringe lasagna fans...
Every year, there are a few of those flops regarding vocal abilities when performing live (without autotune also, I believe?). Some representatives are chosen based or even hyped before the competition on their studio-edited abilities or heavy autotune when performing live. Then, in real-time, it's an embarrassment.
yep, this is something what is very easily prevented... but everything comes with some twists. Its always about who has bigger balls, if tv producers or artist / artists manager...
UK and Spain were different kind of flops. Spain we decided to focus on the national market this year with that selection full of different flavors of pop songs. The winners didnt care too much about results, not the fans, not even the delegation as they overlooked TV ratings and commercial performance of the song in Spain and Latam and apparently got happy about everything eventually. UK came up with a big name, a big production for musical and stage but it ended flopping due to the hyper-sexualized approach chosen by the artist. And vocally he wasnt a standout. It looks like the audience are not in the mood for that, or for western ethnics entries either, as France 2022, Spain 2023 and Norway 2024 seem to prove. Indeed Blanca's 95 jury points seem fantastic now compared with the result obtained by the others.
As someone from the UK I can tell you exactly what the problem is with our choices of entries. The issue is that the ESC is still HEAVILY stigmatized in the UK as at best a camp spectacle and at worst, something so tacky no 'serious' artist would ever involve themselves in, and entering and losing (badly as we tend to) has ended artists careers before they've even started. Yes, the viewpoint is one that is stuck in the past and is incredibly foolish at this point given the huge promotional opportunities and star making quality the modern cntest offers, but there we are. We also may well have perfect artists hiding somewhere who could blow the doors off and do a Sam Ryder - but it's very much a who you know, who is in favour, who is connected to which company thing in the UK when it comes to this stuff and they're subsequently only ever really looking a few favoured artists connected to certain record companies in the main and they will not think outside the box, and will always go with something 'radio friendly'. Public isn't allowed to select - the last time we did, the attitude of 'it's a joke contest, let's send a camp joke entry' prevailed and the public voted for bloody Scooch over Justin Hawkins of The Darkness who can sing live rather well. So we're stuck between a rock and a hard place - music execs with a very limited viewpoint of the contest fishing in a small pool of 'acceptable' upcoming artists who sound good on record but probably not so good live who they can also strong arm into doing it or a public that will just pick the campest thing offered for a laugh. It really, really needs a shake-up but I have no idea how this will happen. Sam Ryder wasn't the first choice in 2022, btew, did you know that? It was actually Olly Alexander who was offered the chance for 2022, and he turned it down, and Sam was asked to step in in his place. It just shows the problem - the music execs will pick the mainstream popstar who cannot sing well live in favour of the little known lad who can, if given the choice. It makes my head hurt so badly! But to underline, Sam Ryder was an accident, they didn't want him that year. We did well only by accident!
I am so sad about reading it, rly. Especially when I know how to make things happen and that its possible to do changed and be succesful even in much smaller country...
@@JanBors Well, please tell them! Although the smug insular arrogance within the top echelons of the UK industry will result in no change. I think it's a side effect of having such a huge record industry tbqh. 'We know how to do it' .. yeah I mean in some ways for sure, but in terms of ESC ... not at all.
Also from the UK, 100% agree. I personally would like a public vote for our entry but the BBC need to weed out any "joke" entries and just have good singers/bands/artists with powerful voices and charisma and a really good song that highlights their talent. I was gutted when we didn't send Justin Hawkins!
The UK should be nailing it every year. Lets face it, the UK has a massive music industry second largest export of music writers and artists after the US .
Yo I just noticed your סבבה tattoo! nice~ On topic - I think the stage may have been too big for a lot of creators this year. Having such a big canvas can cause people to go unnecessarily maximalist (like poland) or too minimal (belgium). Finding the best balance of camera + stage + visuals was key, and two good examples of this are France and (sadly) Ireland. I think this kind of messed Gate up more than the Israeli delegation did. It felt kind of like a disorganized windstorm, which combined with the chaotic (yet beautiful) may have just noised some people out.
actually this stage gave you so many options how to use it, for me even one of the best years for stagings in general. Different ideas, modern, obsolete, none, creative... all kind
I disagree big time when it comes to Belgium. The song was the main issue. It has no melody and absolutely nothing happens in it until last 10 seconds. It's simply boring.
It's a song that has some very technical and clever elements, but also has some huge and obvious gaps. It was actually performed reasonably well on stage, much better than the pre-parties, but just had too much negative elements weighing it down compared to other ballads like Latvia and Serbia.
My problem with norway was that i didnt understand it. I felt i missed its message. I didnt study the songs so those that had a bit of english helped me. The french song well we all know je teme.
I was a little surprised Azerbaijan didn't qualify. Not my favorite at all but a lot of viewers jump on any song that sounds "ethnic" and this year didn't have a lot of those. Maybe they had their fill with Armenia. Or maybe it's because the Azerbaijani production didn't put enough regional elements in the front
Poland's staging was maybe based on a translation error.... the chess piece called a rook or castle in English is called 'tower' (wieża) in Polish and they had this very obviouis chess look... which didn't work at all because of that (not only that but it was a factor).
@@littleblackpistol The pore girl was out of breath. The performance was crazy. Whoever thought of it didn't take into an account that this is ESC, not the Olympics, and the artist needs to be able to sing at the end of the day. They just got her doing all the stuff, running from one side of the stage to the other, lying down, jumping up, climbing... like an army drill.. it was crazy
Yes, always happen. That's why I did not believe Switzerland could be number one, only based on the official video. Fortunately Nemo was much better in Alive show and was the fairy winner 💖
Hei, just became a member and I'm glad that I am one now! First, I am so anti- revamping of songs. This could be a good discussion for a reference group with the EBU. Once a song is submitted to the EBU by the deadline ,I believe there should be no changes to the song ( including dance breaks). Revamping tells me that the artist/country has no confidence in the song and is influenced by other countries' songs. For Belgium, maybe Mustii got a taste of humble pie. He is a judge on Drag Race Belgium and is used to giving out criticism. No he is on the receiving end and 'sashayed away.' Oh and for Norway, my country. THank you for the criticism because it needed it. THe song tells a story and it wasn't told properly. If it was only her as the artist with dancers surrounding her , the story would have been epic. I understand Gåte is a group, but what good does an 'air' band who jumps around and throws instruments in the air do to contribute positively to the performance and the song? Our delegation has been complaining every year since 2016/2017 about results, jury and /or televotes and this year from one of the artists , the 'special' treatment the Israeli delegation gets. More complaining and nothing constuctive. Production of our MGP has also gone lower in quality. I don't follow odds and the UK needs to stop sending Lily Allen throat singers to the ESC. I thought Spain would get the 'camp' vote but oh well. Last year's Spanish song was a masterpiece. THanks again andI hope many hardcore fans, media and YT's take a long summer vacation!
Thank you for becoming a member and also for this comment! I will add you some more insights here: Especially to song submitting - countries probably already submit the revamped song and just dont play such cards before Eurovision. So I have no problem with this, its up to countries what they want to present after all. Even I don't like it when its revamped after a national selection as this is partly unfair to others, kind of. But probably not a big deal. Norway - I have a nice connection with MGP and I love work of their producers, even we often disagree also :D I was there as a judge 2 times and as a spokesperson 3 times and I rly love the approach. Ofc its not like Sweden but its also very creative without using the all possible technology. F.e. the filmic approach, camera work, steady cams, this is top in Europe for sure. So be proud. What I dont agree too much is what songs it focusing at. But thats just my philosophy vs. someone's else. Both can be right. And thats it, I am glad I could read this and also welcome you as a new member!
@@JanBors I hope you continue working with MGP, they could really use your input. Nobody can hold a candle to Melodifestivalen,but here is what I wish if there was a bottomless budget! First, get rid of the TV studio and back to arena/theaters for the heats. Second , stop with the superfan/artist interviews, esp. before voting begins. I like the history segments but don't copy the comedy from Sweden ( that goes for all national selections out there). Third, I understand completely that Norway needs to send a song that is not ultra ethnic, not novelty, not robot and not 'saga( game of thrones meets renaissance fair.' )That is the toughest challenge of all! We are like the opposite of Denmark,who keeps sending ordinary , MOR songs every year. Of course I would like our country to do well,but we travel to Sweden every season to see a ahow!
I completlely did not understand the norway song this year. Probably a cultural thing. Still they didn not get nordic votes. But of course that too was Israel's fault
I am sorry, but the UK performance was hard to watch. It was soooo sleazy, like the sleaziest thing ever. ESC is a family show and people will punish anyone who goes too far. I don't want to see anyone simulating sex on the stage, that's just a no-no. People are watching ESC together, like whole families together with kids
@belosevickris3379 Ireland also went too far this year and was awarded the 6th place. Don't tell me that a satanic ritual is more family-friendly than a gay choreography with boxers. Even Isaak (Germany) himself didn't let his child watch Ireland's performance.
idk, it was done much better than UK, it was having vibe and also Bambie was very "smartly" politically vocal, which for sure brought points, even from juries. I am sure this year show all of the bad sides of Eurovision possible all together from each possible side.
After France 2022, Spain 2023 and Norway 2024, I am afraid no country will try to do that again and bring their culture into Eurovision blended with techno or metal. It worked perfectly with Ukraine in 2021 when Shum became one of the most legendary Eurovision songs of all time, but apparently it won't work anymore. If you want to bring your culture and get love from the public, you need to make it funny, you need to make people smile and dance, the way Moldova did in 2022 and Armenia did this year.
Imo this year - Armenia, Greece, Spain also in its way, Netherlands, Serbia, Slovenia, Ukraine, Italy, France and maybe others brought their national flavors. Also France 2022 - very bad singing, Spain 2023 - huge nieche, juries liked it, Norway 2024 - mystery but probably rly lack of charisma of the artists. Idk... for me this is the biggest robbery of 2024, as I would expect at least juries to vote but also we did not see the jury performance.
The five negative surprises; 1. No hits. It doesn't look like any of this year's songs will be like Tattoo, Fuego, Snap etc. It doesn't even look like any of this year's songs will be a radio hit like last year's "Solo" or "Queen of kings". This is a failure. 2. Ireland and Finland's entries and others. 🤡. Whatever people think of those songs, just like I thought those songs will KILL esc. I can only speak for my country, but those songs have caused a scandal here and many names that I thought would have been great to send to esc from my country have now said in interviews that they will never go to esc if such songs are presented. That's it. And fans can love these clowns and insects all they want but they shouldn't be surprised that countries are withdrawing and that talented artists dont want anything to do with esc. 👍. 3. No surprise but the failure of diaspora countries. Albania failed, Poland failed, Serbia almost failed. Their songs were bad and boring and this shows that their diasporas are not without hearing. 👍👍. 4. That idea of the big 5 in the semi-finals. I didn't like that. Nobody wants to hear them, it kills the tempo of the program and it is the competing songs that should be in focus and no others. This was idiotic, I think. 5. The normal great songs of Moldova & Malta who weren't even close to qualifying were better than more than half the songs in the final. 👍.
Nice touch! I basically agree with all yoi wrote. Point 2 - this is a huge danger to Eurovision, as I am pointing this out second year in a row and especially this year. That cuz we focus on just an effect, we loose future quality in general and lots of years of hard work of many.
I think Latvia benefited from having a good song, very good singer and neutral staging. in the year of over all drama and of some stagings being to much, they (and France) became the choice for people who were tired of the mess.
I pretty much agree with your views about the odds, they turned out to be totally unreliable in the end. For one, they had Latvia dead last in SF2 with no hope of qualifying, and Dons ended up making it to the final. Germany was predicted to finish in the bottom 2 in the final, and Isaak ended up 12th. So that proves the odds should not be taken as gospel, it's what one does in those 3 minutes on stage that determines their success in the contest
for sure. Last year they were way more accurate but this year the worst rate probably in the history. Imo the issue starts with the separated voting systems for sf and gf and this year rly kicked in. Also Dons had amazing marketing supported abroad for voting so people probably knew him more visually. Many factors but for odds deadly.
I totally agree with the „it’s not for the community but 186 million people“! This! Some artists get tricked into thinking being a fan favourite means it will do well. Often it’s just a little fan bubble who hypes a song. Even Nemo won only by the many votes of the jury. It was not a public magnet in a way Croatia or France were. Croatia for the younger people, France for the older audience who loved their classic Eurovision songs.
Lol.... nemo literally got the same points as france and croatia only got that much points because it's basically a combined score of Netherlands and Croatia..... the hatred for nemo is making u guys loose braincells.....
@@Rash23215 Hatred? I love The Code! But I‘m trying to analyze unbiased here. And if we are honest, the 5th in the public vote isn’t the most wanted by the public. Even if you don’t count Ukraine and Israel (because some of their votes might be political) there‘s still Croatia and France that got more public points. The real winner is Croatia, I‘m sorry. Or maybe France because public and jury are not much apart. Nemo is brilliant, the staging and the song are brilliant but it’s imho not THE winner.
@@xGameDragonx again.... i repeat..... france and nemo has practically the same score.... and as ukraine and israhell doesn't count they're basically joint 2nd.... so nemo basically came 2nd in televotes despite a significant majority of homophobic crowd shutting him down just because of his dress and identity...... and croatia is only a televote winner because joost was disqualified..... otherwise he would've been even lower than switzerland and france..... u cringe croatia fans should be thankful to king joost otherwise baby spineless lasagna would've been a total flop if joost was in final.... and cry as much as you want, Nemo IS the winner, nothing could change that least of all u whiney cringe lasagna fans...
Every year, there are a few of those flops regarding vocal abilities when performing live (without autotune also, I believe?). Some representatives are chosen based or even hyped before the competition on their studio-edited abilities or heavy autotune when performing live. Then, in real-time, it's an embarrassment.
yep, this is something what is very easily prevented... but everything comes with some twists. Its always about who has bigger balls, if tv producers or artist / artists manager...
UK and Spain were different kind of flops.
Spain we decided to focus on the national market this year with that selection full of different flavors of pop songs. The winners didnt care too much about results, not the fans, not even the delegation as they overlooked TV ratings and commercial performance of the song in Spain and Latam and apparently got happy about everything eventually.
UK came up with a big name, a big production for musical and stage but it ended flopping due to the hyper-sexualized approach chosen by the artist. And vocally he wasnt a standout. It looks like the audience are not in the mood for that, or for western ethnics entries either, as France 2022, Spain 2023 and Norway 2024 seem to prove. Indeed Blanca's 95 jury points seem fantastic now compared with the result obtained by the others.
As a Belgian, the most disappointing part to me is that we went from the top 10 back to a non-qualifier
thats what can happen if the artist is not able to sing his song :/
As someone from the UK I can tell you exactly what the problem is with our choices of entries. The issue is that the ESC is still HEAVILY stigmatized in the UK as at best a camp spectacle and at worst, something so tacky no 'serious' artist would ever involve themselves in, and entering and losing (badly as we tend to) has ended artists careers before they've even started. Yes, the viewpoint is one that is stuck in the past and is incredibly foolish at this point given the huge promotional opportunities and star making quality the modern cntest offers, but there we are. We also may well have perfect artists hiding somewhere who could blow the doors off and do a Sam Ryder - but it's very much a who you know, who is in favour, who is connected to which company thing in the UK when it comes to this stuff and they're subsequently only ever really looking a few favoured artists connected to certain record companies in the main and they will not think outside the box, and will always go with something 'radio friendly'. Public isn't allowed to select - the last time we did, the attitude of 'it's a joke contest, let's send a camp joke entry' prevailed and the public voted for bloody Scooch over Justin Hawkins of The Darkness who can sing live rather well. So we're stuck between a rock and a hard place - music execs with a very limited viewpoint of the contest fishing in a small pool of 'acceptable' upcoming artists who sound good on record but probably not so good live who they can also strong arm into doing it or a public that will just pick the campest thing offered for a laugh. It really, really needs a shake-up but I have no idea how this will happen. Sam Ryder wasn't the first choice in 2022, btew, did you know that? It was actually Olly Alexander who was offered the chance for 2022, and he turned it down, and Sam was asked to step in in his place. It just shows the problem - the music execs will pick the mainstream popstar who cannot sing well live in favour of the little known lad who can, if given the choice. It makes my head hurt so badly! But to underline, Sam Ryder was an accident, they didn't want him that year. We did well only by accident!
I am so sad about reading it, rly. Especially when I know how to make things happen and that its possible to do changed and be succesful even in much smaller country...
@@JanBors Well, please tell them! Although the smug insular arrogance within the top echelons of the UK industry will result in no change. I think it's a side effect of having such a huge record industry tbqh. 'We know how to do it' .. yeah I mean in some ways for sure, but in terms of ESC ... not at all.
Also from the UK, 100% agree. I personally would like a public vote for our entry but the BBC need to weed out any "joke" entries and just have good singers/bands/artists with powerful voices and charisma and a really good song that highlights their talent. I was gutted when we didn't send Justin Hawkins!
Really agree with everything!
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The broadcast made it look like there was a very strong crowd reaction to Spain...
I think it really was but did not help. Imo the mistake was that is was made for a specific audience which is after all not major
The UK should be nailing it every year. Lets face it, the UK has a massive music industry second largest export of music writers and artists after the US .
I agree 100%
Yo I just noticed your סבבה tattoo!
nice~
On topic - I think the stage may have been too big for a lot of creators this year. Having such a big canvas can cause people to go unnecessarily maximalist (like poland) or too minimal (belgium). Finding the best balance of camera + stage + visuals was key, and two good examples of this are France and (sadly) Ireland. I think this kind of messed Gate up more than the Israeli delegation did. It felt kind of like a disorganized windstorm, which combined with the chaotic (yet beautiful) may have just noised some people out.
actually this stage gave you so many options how to use it, for me even one of the best years for stagings in general. Different ideas, modern, obsolete, none, creative... all kind
I disagree big time when it comes to Belgium. The song was the main issue. It has no melody and absolutely nothing happens in it until last 10 seconds. It's simply boring.
might be :)
It's a song that has some very technical and clever elements, but also has some huge and obvious gaps. It was actually performed reasonably well on stage, much better than the pre-parties, but just had too much negative elements weighing it down compared to other ballads like Latvia and Serbia.
UK should be winning every year.
at least be a contender, I agree
My problem with norway was that i didnt understand it. I felt i missed its message. I didnt study the songs so those that had a bit of english helped me. The french song well we all know je teme.
I was a little surprised Azerbaijan didn't qualify. Not my favorite at all but a lot of viewers jump on any song that sounds "ethnic" and this year didn't have a lot of those. Maybe they had their fill with Armenia. Or maybe it's because the Azerbaijani production didn't put enough regional elements in the front
idk what was the real issue, my big theory is that staging was not corelating with the song and basically it all became forgetable
It was one of my favourite songs and I definitely saw it qualifying, I was very disappointed by the very bad result
Poland's staging was maybe based on a translation error.... the chess piece called a rook or castle in English is called 'tower' (wieża) in Polish and they had this very obviouis chess look... which didn't work at all because of that (not only that but it was a factor).
I think there were many things about the staging which should be mentioned
@@JanBors The effect with Luna on the red horse was a show stopper. And not in a god way. Bless her.
@@littleblackpistol The pore girl was out of breath. The performance was crazy. Whoever thought of it didn't take into an account that this is ESC, not the Olympics, and the artist needs to be able to sing at the end of the day. They just got her doing all the stuff, running from one side of the stage to the other, lying down, jumping up, climbing... like an army drill.. it was crazy
Yes, always happen. That's why I did not believe Switzerland could be number one, only based on the official video. Fortunately Nemo was much better in Alive show and was the fairy winner 💖
Hei, just became a member and I'm glad that I am one now!
First, I am so anti- revamping of songs. This could be a good discussion for a reference group with the EBU. Once a song is submitted to the EBU by the deadline ,I believe there should be no changes to the song ( including dance breaks). Revamping tells me that the artist/country has no confidence in the song and is influenced by other countries' songs.
For Belgium, maybe Mustii got a taste of humble pie. He is a judge on Drag Race Belgium and is used to giving out criticism. No he is on the receiving end and 'sashayed away.'
Oh and for Norway, my country. THank you for the criticism because it needed it. THe song tells a story and it wasn't told properly. If it was only her as the artist with dancers surrounding her , the story would have been epic. I understand Gåte is a group, but what good does an 'air' band who jumps around and throws instruments in the air do to contribute positively to the performance and the song? Our delegation has been complaining every year since 2016/2017 about results, jury and /or televotes and this year from one of the artists , the 'special' treatment the Israeli delegation gets. More complaining and nothing constuctive. Production of our MGP has also gone lower in quality.
I don't follow odds and the UK needs to stop sending Lily Allen throat singers to the ESC. I thought Spain would get the 'camp' vote but oh well. Last year's Spanish song was a masterpiece.
THanks again andI hope many hardcore fans, media and YT's take a long summer vacation!
Thank you for becoming a member and also for this comment! I will add you some more insights here:
Especially to song submitting - countries probably already submit the revamped song and just dont play such cards before Eurovision. So I have no problem with this, its up to countries what they want to present after all. Even I don't like it when its revamped after a national selection as this is partly unfair to others, kind of. But probably not a big deal.
Norway - I have a nice connection with MGP and I love work of their producers, even we often disagree also :D I was there as a judge 2 times and as a spokesperson 3 times and I rly love the approach. Ofc its not like Sweden but its also very creative without using the all possible technology. F.e. the filmic approach, camera work, steady cams, this is top in Europe for sure. So be proud. What I dont agree too much is what songs it focusing at. But thats just my philosophy vs. someone's else. Both can be right.
And thats it, I am glad I could read this and also welcome you as a new member!
@@JanBors I hope you continue working with MGP, they could really use your input. Nobody can hold a candle to Melodifestivalen,but here is what I wish if there was a bottomless budget! First, get rid of the TV studio and back to arena/theaters for the heats. Second , stop with the superfan/artist interviews, esp. before voting begins. I like the history segments but don't copy the comedy from Sweden ( that goes for all national selections out there). Third, I understand completely that Norway needs to send a song that is not ultra ethnic, not novelty, not robot and not 'saga( game of thrones meets renaissance fair.' )That is the toughest challenge of all! We are like the opposite of Denmark,who keeps sending ordinary , MOR songs every year. Of course I would like our country to do well,but we travel to Sweden every season to see a ahow!
I completlely did not understand the norway song this year. Probably a cultural thing. Still they didn not get nordic votes. But of course that too was Israel's fault
This year's voting was weird and many songs suffered because of that. People were too focused on tihngs that have nothing to do with music
Uk o points it became kind of a funny❤ joke, so its kind positive ish
haha, this is just a way of perspective, you are right :D
It isn't funny when salty Brits blame their 0 points on Brexit.
I am sorry, but the UK performance was hard to watch. It was soooo sleazy, like the sleaziest thing ever. ESC is a family show and people will punish anyone who goes too far. I don't want to see anyone simulating sex on the stage, that's just a no-no. People are watching ESC together, like whole families together with kids
@belosevickris3379 Ireland also went too far this year and was awarded the 6th place. Don't tell me that a satanic ritual is more family-friendly than a gay choreography with boxers. Even Isaak (Germany) himself didn't let his child watch Ireland's performance.
idk, it was done much better than UK, it was having vibe and also Bambie was very "smartly" politically vocal, which for sure brought points, even from juries. I am sure this year show all of the bad sides of Eurovision possible all together from each possible side.
After France 2022, Spain 2023 and Norway 2024, I am afraid no country will try to do that again and bring their culture into Eurovision blended with techno or metal. It worked perfectly with Ukraine in 2021 when Shum became one of the most legendary Eurovision songs of all time, but apparently it won't work anymore. If you want to bring your culture and get love from the public, you need to make it funny, you need to make people smile and dance, the way Moldova did in 2022 and Armenia did this year.
Imo this year - Armenia, Greece, Spain also in its way, Netherlands, Serbia, Slovenia, Ukraine, Italy, France and maybe others brought their national flavors. Also France 2022 - very bad singing, Spain 2023 - huge nieche, juries liked it, Norway 2024 - mystery but probably rly lack of charisma of the artists. Idk... for me this is the biggest robbery of 2024, as I would expect at least juries to vote but also we did not see the jury performance.
actually we can expect more of cultural based songs and fun songs next year
The five negative surprises;
1. No hits. It doesn't look like any of this year's songs will be like Tattoo, Fuego, Snap etc. It doesn't even look like any of this year's songs will be a radio hit like last year's "Solo" or "Queen of kings". This is a failure.
2. Ireland and Finland's entries and others. 🤡. Whatever people think of those songs, just like I thought those songs will KILL esc. I can only speak for my country, but those songs have caused a scandal here and many names that I thought would have been great to send to esc from my country have now said in interviews that they will never go to esc if such songs are presented. That's it. And fans can love these clowns and insects all they want but they shouldn't be surprised that countries are withdrawing and that talented artists dont want anything to do with esc. 👍.
3. No surprise but the failure of diaspora countries. Albania failed, Poland failed, Serbia almost failed. Their songs were bad and boring and this shows that their diasporas are not without hearing. 👍👍.
4. That idea of the big 5 in the semi-finals. I didn't like that. Nobody wants to hear them, it kills the tempo of the program and it is the competing songs that should be in focus and no others. This was idiotic, I think.
5. The normal great songs of Moldova & Malta who weren't even close to qualifying were better than more than half the songs in the final. 👍.
Nice touch! I basically agree with all yoi wrote. Point 2 - this is a huge danger to Eurovision, as I am pointing this out second year in a row and especially this year. That cuz we focus on just an effect, we loose future quality in general and lots of years of hard work of many.