McLaren Cuts Ties with Juncos
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- Опубліковано 5 чер 2024
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Online bullying and a liked Tweet by Agustín Canapino cost an IndyCar team a partnership with McLaren. This is the headline of the week heading into Road America I guess... Let's talk about it... and try to explain it!
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Please IndyCar don't go to FOX 🙏! If NBC is willing to put all races on network TV do it. Please take their deal! They may offer less money upfront but would offer more exposure for the long term. No cartoon drivers, goofy skits, remote broadcasts, or inaccurate stats and graphics please. Please stay with NBC!
I mean if they hire Helio........
Bump
@@crouchb15 but can we ditch Danica though? please
I agree
Three or four years ago, I would have jumped though a fiery hoop placed over the yard of Bricks to get IndyCar on Fox. But Fox Sports itself is a shell of its former self and their whole commitment to anything outside the NFL seems very sus. In particular their NASCARA coverage has dropped off a cliff with the production being comical in how bad it is.
Don’t forget that Canapino released multiple statements accusing Pourchaire of lying about recieving death threats and accused Pourchaire and McLaren of “discriminating” against Argentinians. Additionally Ricardo Juncos used very offensive language to disparage Pourchaire. It was far more than the liked tweet that ended this partnership.
Respond in kind. "The islands will always be the Falklands" lol
Canapino in Spanish also stated he has "never seen any kind of death threats or disrespectful comments, even going back to last year" so he is also essentially denying the accusations and also stated "Argentinians should not be generalized because of one person" but you go to ANY argentinian media website and even the media themselves attack Theo and Callum, so it's not a "one person" issue.
Canopino has lost any respect I had for him. This crap is childish nonsense except death threats are beyond stupid.
All this for a young rookie who made a bad move and knocked Canopino down two positions. Can't wait for Canopino to be on the wrong end of a Stewards penalty. The idiot fans going to give death threats against Indycar?
@@1320crusier I came here to say the same thing, love it!
Yes they will, and Canapino will encourage it. If he’s not willing to cut his bad behaviour, he should be banned from the sport
When David shaves, you know sh*t just got ugly!
Zero drag, qually setup
David trimmed out.
@@DavidLand91 Nice - you need a razor sponsorship!
@@DavidLand91
For this.... good setup.
Was this for race trim or qualify trim? LOL!
Juncos just now finally realizing the correlation between f’ing around and finding out
i mean what did Juncos do wrong really
@@mrbungle3310 Nothing. If people are too sensitive to ignore crazy people on social media, it's their own fault. McLaren is just giving them the attention they want.
@@crat831 you seem like one of those weirdos who wished death upon Ilott and Pourchaire huh. A viral tweet from a fan bragging about his dm to Theo literally said “I hope the aeroscreen fails and your head splits open”. Shit like that is literally illegal
@@mrbungle3310Juncos would first ignore the threats against his then own driver Ilott when it happened to him. Then he would start liking said threats on his pages. And then he held his contract when Ilott was rumored to go the 6 car at McLaren and only released him once all the full time seats were filled. Minus the contract issue, Juncos is doing the same denial thing with Pourchaire
@@crat831 McLaren is backing their drivers, which Juncos could have done last year in the case of Ilott. The Argentinian fan base is toxic, and Juncos and Canapino are encouraging them for two years running. It's a terrible look for both of them.
Small positive: No more orange on JHR liveries
Those cars are ugly enough without the orange b.s. lol
Issue wasn’t him liking the tweets, I mean it’s a bad look but this is canapino so what else is new. The issue was canapino’s statement denying any of the death threats and basically defending the horrendous behaviour online. Then it was JHR doing absolutely nothing about it and going radio silent on the issue. That’s what Zak and Callum responded to. Just the tweet liking and statements alone probably were enough for business to carry on but it’s canapino’s statement which dug the JHR grave.
Yes, unfortunately some key aspects here were missed. I also think Pourchaire's statement was first, only then did McLaren/JHR react. You get the distinct impression that JHR/Canapino would have just shrugged and said or done absolutely nothing hadn't there already be public pressure to at least acknowledge that there was an issue.
And once they did that, well, it was a bit lukewarm, but people could have lived with it, presumably. It's what followed afterwards that made any further Mclaren/JHR cooperation untenable.
David I believe also Canapino's spanish interviews greatly influenced this decision. In an interview he has stated "I have never seen any death threats or disrespectful comments towards anyone, even going back to last year" so he is essentially denying the entire situation(s). That and also Juncos owner also made certain comments against Theo (in Spanish again) that riled up a portion of the argentinian fanbase.
Canapino also said "we should not get generalized due to one person" but EVERYWHERE you go, you are bound to find someone or a group of argentinian "fans" being disrespectful towards other fans, teams and drivers.
A rare moment of McLaren making the right decision to drop a partnership. Unlike the Malukas situation (which inadvertently caused this blessing in disguise of dropping Juncos)
Extra context: Canapino not only liked a tweet, but also put out his own statement in which he said he hadn’t seen any of the death threats Pourchaire has received. After the evidence of those threats become public, he later claimed these weren’t from real fans as the accounts did not have many followers.
PERDON PERO MCLAREN Y THEO NUNCA HICIERON PÚBLICO NADA. PROPIA CATEGORÍA Y EL JHR LES PIDO LAS AMENAZAS PARA ELLOS MISMO DENUNCIARLAS.... Y HASTA EL DIA DE HOY LAS SIGUEN ESPERANDO, LA MENTIRA TIENE PATAS CORTAS AL FINAL TODO SALE A LA LUZ, EL VERDADERO PROBLEMA ES QUE CANAPINO NO TIENE AYUDA FINANCIERA POR EL PÉSIMO PASAR ECONÓMICO QUE TIENE LA ARGENTINA. SE VA DE LA CATEGORÍA POR ESA Y ÚNICA RAZÓN, HAGO ESTE COMENTARIO SIN OFENDERTE. PERO EL PÚBLICO DEL AUTOMOVILISMO ARGENTINO ES RESPETUOSO, JAMÁS AMENAZARÍA DE MUERTE A NINGÚN PILOTO INTERNO Y MENOS EXTERNO!!! NO PUEDO DECIR LO MISMO DEL FÚTBOL QUE ESE PÚBLICO SI SON GENTE DESPRECIABLE Y TE LO ESTA DICIENDO UN ARGENTINO!!! TE DESEO UN BUEN AÑO.
Canapino's statement got the deal killed. He didn't condone what people were doing to Pourchaire but at the same time, Canapino implied or questioned that what Pourchaire claimed, death threats, was not true since he didn't see them on X. They were DMs to Pourchaire and Indy Car was shown them. He also downplayed the seriousness of it all by brushing it aside as passionate and loyal Argentinian fans...what are they going to do from a continent away? Since this video was made, Canapino has doubled down to Argentine media and asked Pourchaire and McLaren to retract their statements. He is now playing the victim, essentially. Whataboutism at its worst.
Truly a very bad decision from Agustin. I am surprised that Juncos did not try to talk him out of this. I agree, that killed the deal.
@@FMAlchemist2006 jajaj! cuánto latinoamericano vendido que va tirando basura para quedar bien con los extranjeros se puede leer en estos dias.
I've said it elsewhere - the senior IndyCar drivers need to take Canapino to one side at the earliest opportunity and have a word with him - he can't control his fans, but when he likes tweets/posts that denegrate or try to belittle the drivers who've been threatened, that's not on. It could be Will Power or Scott Dixon on the end of their ire next, due to a minor racing incident. He can draw a line in the sand - it's up to him.
He wouldn’t have gone this far if I were head at Indy. He would have been told to cut out the bad behavior and then if continued, a ban would be issued to him
I agree with you on that but would it be to the point of a Come to Jesus moment?
@@mattcecil6692 it seems the team has come to their senses as he's now on a "leave of absence".
This is incredibly fair, I agree
For me, the problem is the actual death threats. That's a massive line that's been crossed. Say as many nasty things about a driver, his intelligence, and so on, fine, Whatever.
But actually threatening to kill someone over a sport is too far, and calls for strong statements to the contrary. Teams can't control their fans, but they can make a big effort to make it c;ear such things are 100% unacceptable.
Juncos Hollinger's reaction(s) have so far been on the same level as a mom in a store whose child is destroying everything in sight, and when told about it, looks up from her phone, says, Stop it, Billy," then goes back to ignoring everything.
I see enough of this crap trying to follow international soccer; I don't want this toxic fan BS anywhere near a series that has a long standing, well-deserved reputation of having everyone involved, from the drivers to the fans, *mostly* acting like adults.
People say everything online.
Yep, especially when many psycho soccer fans have actually shot and/or killed athletes for making mistakes in matches (not just in Argentina but in many south american countries)
Seems like Santino Ferrucci will have competition of being one of the most hated Indycar drivers. In fact he’s looking like a saint in comparison to his shenanigans last weekend.
People called me crazy when I was calling them out on Twitter and Instagram like months ago when it all started with Callum Illott oh how the tables have turned
You were never crazy to begin with, those people found out too late
You were the most level headed dude in the room my man
"Liking a tweet is grounds for termination", it was so much more. Not pointed out: 1) Canapino liked other tweets mocking the situation with Pourchaire as well as replied to one essentially saying "this is great". And 2) Canapino put out a statement gaslighting Theo as well as Arrow Mclaren while telling Theo to essentially man up. These shouldn't be ignore when explaining the reasoning for the termination. I don't think we are asking for drama or "excited", we are asking for a safe space for drivers.
That's exactly it. Agustin made not one but two statements lightly condemning the hate messages, but at the same time saying "i haven't seen any hate message to Pourchaire". I am argentinean, but I hate when fandom thinks that it is normal to threaten people. And if you condemn that, you are not understanding "the passion for the sport", or you need to pay less attention to social media, and all that bs just to justify the wrongdoing.
I've followed IndyCar for over 20 years, as an Argentinian, all this drama is very painful to watch but sadly not a surprise at all.
Igual, siempre fan de la categoría y lamentablemente lo peor que le pudo pasar a argentina fue justamente tener un piloto argentino para un dueño argentino
Sadly as a brazillian it's also not for me, and seeing that Felipe Drugovich adversaries haven't received so much hate as Canapino adversaries, well... argentinians became worse than brazillians.
You would think that the off track drama would spice things up, but it just ends up looking ugly.
Si ustedes son una plasta de mier***. Y esto te sorprende? 😂😂😂
@@mistrphixit7484 - reminds me too much of NASCAR!
His wife also sent out a pretty nasty tweet. Was deleted quickly but it showed zero apology
What did she say?
Still less than 1% ads than NASCAR on FOX
Penske suspended key members of his own team because the Push to Pass debacle was a bad look for IndyCar. Here we have another bad look in a year where there have been more bad than good. I would suspend Canapino and some JHR personnel for actions detrimental to the sport. Beef is a part of the sport, but this went beyond acceptable.
It was more than the one tweet that Canapino liked. He liked several tweets attacking Ilott and Pourchaire. Dick moves have consequences.
Not that I’m thinking this is anything but the fault of Canapino and his team, but have we established that Canapino is running his own Twitter account? Is it actually him liking those tweets or some assistant?
@@eedgerton769 does it matter?
he is the one responsible.
Not a surprise. Juncos hasn't taken this seriously enough. This is dominating IndyCar news because it just happened, and is a serious story.
I don't think it's Canapino's liking of the tweet that caused Juncos to be sacked by McLaren. I think that Canapino's incredibly tone deaf statement that was the kicker.
I agree.
The Irony is that Agustin’s fans may have destroyed his IndyCar career. A lot of partners and money are now gone.
It's not just them. It happens all over latin america.
All of a sudden it turns into a display of how much "they" do on track. By they I mean people 8000km away from the track.
I've seen it live years ago at the Busch series race in Mexico, track commentaros will rile people to gang on who they thought wronged the local driver. It's BS but if they show consequences over it it, I'm in.
Hi David! I´m from Argentina and, as a motorsport fan, this situation is a really ugly one.
I must say that people who sent insults (and other things) to Pourchaire are not real fans, they don't respect the sport and they don't deserve any second of attention. They're the minority of the argentinean fan base, but they are the louder one sadly.
It hurts a lot to see people saying that "Argentinean fans are the worst" because I know that a lot of them (me included) love watching indycar, wec, imsa, f1 without throwing trash to the drivers/teams/sport.
I personally agree that Theo was very optimistic with that move and that it ruined a posible top 10 for Canapino, and also agree that the "show" (things that happen out of the race, for example, the ferruci vs kirkwood incident) are overshadowing the action on track.
Fan of your job, see ya !
Bien dicho.
Pourchaire was ordered to surrender three positions in a penalty assessed by the NTT IndyCar Series. He also admitted it was a mistake on his part. For Canapino to continue to be obsessed with the incident is sad. It is part of racing. I understand that he is a hero in his homeland, and rightfully so. He is an agressive driver, and has been improving consistently. For the fans to make death threats on either side is inconceivable, and probably illegal. I agree, get back to racing and prove yourself on the track. I admire the abilities of most of the drivers out there. I do get disappointed when they say/do outrageous things in response to on track incidents. Take a breath, deal with it when they calm down.
Augustin canapinos fans are physco paths not the first driver this has happened to and his response on ig was a joke saying he never saw such thing from fans that is bullshit he was liking their tweets
Right, when it happened with Ilott you could maybe have given Canapino the benefit of the doubt, but this is just a clear pattern and a bad dynamic that isn’t just “following” the driver - he is consistently making bad choices that are encouraging it. A shame because he is a talented driver that many American fans were interested in. So this probably has been going on with his Argentinian rival drivers too unfortunately. As a driver you can either allow this stuff or discourage it and he has chosen not to discourage it.
I think there was more going on with Juncos and McLaren than Canapino's fans, and Zak Brown had the opportunity to get out of the deal and took it
Creo lo mismo, McLaren oficialmente utiliza como excusa el tema de los mensajes de las redes, pero en realidad y en segundo plano esta sucediendo otra cosa a la cual no tenemos acceso.
@@Youkai_Andres si, siempre lo supe, es mas, no me sorprenderia que Pourchaire haya recibido la orden de arriba para ir a chocar a Agustin y atinar a crear este desastre mediatico (y le salio perfecto lamentablemente), no es por ser victima y/o conspiranoico, pero tuvimos el famoso "crashgate" en la F1 2008, resumen: Flavio Briatore (jefe de equipo de Renault en ese entonces) le pidio a Nelson Piquet (hijo) a chocar el auto para quedar afuera de la carrera y ayudar a Fernando Alonso a tener ventaja, asique desde eso hasta el dia de la fecha no deberiamos asombrarnos si el fin de semana pasado paso algo parecido, pero en la IndyCar, obviamente no lo vamos a saber ahora, de hecho el "crashgate" se descubrio mucho despues de ocurrido
I agree with your points in the last few minutes. I see it NASCAR, too. It just happened this week with Gateway, with all the talk being around Kyle Larson's waiver instead of the race itself. Austin Cindric just had the best race of his career and blew up the playoffs, but it's basically been forgotten already. I get that drama gains clicks, but it's empty calories clicks. Drama is only fun when it's on-track drama, like the dramatic finish at Gateway
On top of that, the average racing fan that's used to NASCAR manufacturing drama that might not be there or is blown out proportion probably is either dulled to, or doesn't know how to take actual on-track drama anymore.
I gravitated towards open wheel racing because I saw it as being more gentlemanly than stock car racing. I believe the same is true about IMSA & WEC.
Yep both IndyCar and NASCAR are making the same mistakes with off track stories. It's really sad. None of the races are being talked about.
Not sure how you completely left out Canapino dismissing the situation as a whole and then telling an Argentinian news agency that McLaren should retract their response.
Appreciate these updates because I don't go on the cancer that is X/Twitter/Facebook/Instagram/etc.
Amen!
Beginning of the end for Juncos. I wouldn’t be surprised if Romain Grosjean left for Prema’s Indycar team from next season onwards (especially considering their role with Lamborghini’s WEC/IMSA Hypercar/GTP efforts)
It's so bizarre because I'd really like to see IndyCar extend its international appeal - it's definitely a circuit that deserves wider recognition!
@@michaelgawel5823yup Indycar needs to go back to Japan and Brazil, I also would love to see them going to Europe as well imola and silverstone!
@@miketwotwenty I'd would love to see more international teams competing in the circuit like the Spanish team that's coming on board in 2025!
@@miketwotwenty oops I meant Italian!
possibly, i don't know why he signed with juncos in the first place
I don’t know about these snowflakes in the racing community nowadays. I grew up watching Michele A and Paul Tracy. Aggression in racing is a good thing to watch. If Indy cars goal is inline no passing F1 type racing this will be the end of Indy car racing. What other types of racing series can a 15th place car can race up and win. Not just the poll winner always winning.
well at least prema can get a charter now
Liking a tweet (or liking an Instagram post) is why Noah Gragson was let go from Legacy Motor Club mid season last year.
No chance of a race in argentina now
I mean, that country has 300% inflation and a Prime Minister that feels like a dictator trying to find support to overthrow the government that elected him... Any kind of racing in Argentina, let alone Indycar, feels like a long way off.
@@Kingofweasles 100% inflation and fortunately getting lower every month. Also, we do not have a prime minister, we have a president. Not our finest election though.
IndyCar doesn't need one there
@@FMAlchemist2006at least crime is easing over there
Canapino should not let himself mixed in those twitter comments, he is better than that. Also its a shame that Martin Ponte is the official voice for Indycar in LatinAmerica. The other commentators, Alex Pombo and Mauricio Gallardo are ok, but Ponte always tries to edges out with biased and sometimes toxic commentary. It's really annoying to hear. That said, I never though it would go past the booth and spiral into ending Juncos and Mclaren partnership.
I doubt that the liking of the tweet was the prime motivator, if anything it was simply the straw that broke the camels back. We don't know whats going on behind the scenes, but I cannot imagine what we have visible to us on the outside is all of what was going on behind the scenes.
I totally disagree about this being bad for IndyCar and I think this speaks to a larger disconnect between the hardcore racing fans and the casual viewer. I know quite a few casual viewers who enjoyed Detroit and were entertained. And many casual fans who are intrigued by the drama. The racing fans tend to be the opposite. I think there's room for both, as we've seen in other sports like F1 or the NFL. Nobody talks about the actual sport during the week.
One of the atracttions of racing in argentina is the beef between drivers.
just think they should get rid of that detroit track - what a piece of crap. Indycar belittles itself by racing in these stupid places. As for this canapino stuff, geez, how many of us get death threats daily: " You shark bait as*hole', "You're mincemeat m*therpucker', 'Your days are counted!'. I miss the old days. I miss drivers like Piquet, who would have just told the argentinians to f... off...
David, excuse my french. Thanks for all your work on bringing us great content! You're my number one source of IC info dude!!!
At some point I think you're right, you gotta tell the internet doushbags to pound sand or something to that effect. 99% of these people would never say these things in person so it's just a weird dynamic in the world lol
Coming from a recent fan of JHR, we shouldn't want or need toxicity in the team. If Canapino wants to be the Ferrucci of JHR then he needs the boot out of his ride...not sorry. He has only stoked the hate onto Theo with his statement, it's not right and there should be serious action taken by Indy Car in this situation towards JHR and Canapino both. Its sad to see how they have handled themselves as a team/owner.
Sadly and I can't express this enough the Internet stepped over a cliff years ago kindness exists but it can and has been quickly stomped out by the toxicity of those who don't want people to have fun or be nice
Canapino was also quoted in Argentine media effectively denying that the death threats via social media even happened, criticising Illot and Pourchaire for "playing the victim" whilst doing the same himself. It's more than just liking the tweet.
That kind of behaviour would get you sacked or at least strongly disciplined by most employers - McLaren can't do that, but dissolving the partnership they can do.
Noah Gragson got fired for liking a tweet 🤷🏻♂️
Luckily he was hired by another team before this season started. But sadly that team is closing down after this season.
What a fool. Threw away a partnership for a stupid reason
David,
When you have exposure like that to millions of fans at the 500, you build a following for after. Most fans don’t want to see a 1.7 mile demo derby clown show. They want to see pure racing like they saw at Indy. Cue Milwaukee or Texas, then add a classic road course. Catch my drift?
Best IndyCar news since the conclusion of the 2024 Month of May and a rare good thing to see from this crappy season.
Juncos Hollinger Racing is the most toxic IndyCar team I’ve ever seen in my lifetime in IndyCar. Juncos and Canapino are so unprofessional and act like children over the littlest contact. I also want to mention the Argentinian fans are one of the worst things to happen in the sport in a couple years. They are nothing but childish and soft crybaby keyboard warriors.
I’m so glad the partnership has concluded. Let’s see if Juncos Hollinger Racing will have a downfall or not.
i can appreciate a countryman team and countryman driver supporting each other but yeah when shit gets toxic like this and already got toxic before. this is bad. really really bad.
I mean this partnership has only gone on a couple races so I'm assuming they'll do the same as they did last year
Just another story to add to the list. I think this one falls a little behind the toxicity of Don Whittington, one of four Indy 500 drivers, including his brother, Bill, who were convicted within months of each other in connection with trafficking marijuana. Creative funding!
Crappy season?
P.S. The Month of May ended less than 2 weeks ago...can you vloggers manage to hold onto your constant stream of butthurt for more than a standard week or what?
@@codymoe4986 this season has actually been crap in terms of mediocre racing product and a bad Thermal Club race and a bad Detroit weekend (except Barber and the Indy 500, those races have been good) with never-ending bad news even before the season began and even before the green flag waved at St. Pete.
Was a commercial alliance, not a technical alliance. Any excess sponsorship that McLaren had would be moved to Juncos-Hollinger and displayed on the side pod ramps in front of the rear wheels. Funny thing happened. No sponsorship from McLaren made it over to Juncos-Hollinger. So, there was no benefit for either side at any time during this arrangement.
Great move by Arrow McLaren to cut ties with Juncos after Canapino fans threatening Pourchaire online and then Canapino makes a nonchalant statement regarding the online abuse. There's no room for this vile trash towards another driver and Canapino's fans did that to Illott last year. Indycar has condemned this but need to take action on Canapino. Canapino won't have many friends in the indycar paddock after this.
We also don't know what JHR were saying and doing behind the scenes about it. Could be they were totally unapologetic about the whole thing.
David. In order for the sport to thrive we need both on track and off track drama. Look at F1, look at Nascar, look at drag racing...all of them are thriving because of the off track and personal/business drama storylines that DO play out on race weekends. off track drama is not a problem. It is and always will be a part of motorsports and racingZ
F-1 never used to have the “drama” that is a part of the sport that I can do without. There were politics involved to be sure, but it has gotten out of hand now and it’s sounding more like the WWE than ever. NASCAR is not all that healthy either as it is being mismanaged and bled dry by the current leadership. Had they not granted Kyle Larson’s waiver, I was prepared to totally delete NASCAR from my life.
@@markvincent5992 f1 ALWAYS had drama lol. Go back and read some history books about the earliest years of Grand prix racing. There was always off track drama that goes hand in hand with the racing on track. We just see more of it today because of the internet and social media and the series are realizing that most people find the off track storylines enhance the entertainment value of the racing. Thats also why WWE has been massively successful. If you dont like it, you dont have to pay attention to it. But it in no way makes the product on the track any worse.
Lingering bitterness over the Falklands is my guess as to why.
Literally just watched a video from Perspective talking about the same issue with the F1 community
#teamlh in particular.
@@ryanfraley7113 Silverstone 2021 was the point where that really blew up in my opinion, it honestly soured my enjoyment of the title battle, and I say that as a Hamilton fan. Thankfully, as a McLaren fan, their fight with Ferrari was fun to watch, I honestly enjoyed that more as the year went on.
A few key factors missing here: Canapino and Ilott got into it again at Laguna Seca, Canapino liked tweets that were shitting on Ilott WHILE THEY WERE STILL TEAMMATES. Which eventually led him and Juncos parting ways, and if not for Malukas’s injury he’d be out of Indycar all together.
Plus now Canapino goes out and does the same thing with Theo, goes to these Spanish speaking radio show’s pretending he had no idea about the online hate when he himself engaged in it multiple times. Like bro, are you dense?
This has been a reoccurring issue that neither Canapino nor Juncos have done anything to stop, and honestly the sport of Indycar would be better off without them.
Yeah. I mean, yesterday I tweeted (or Xd) a humorous (hopefully) pair of pics comparing Will Power's double bird to a cat rising up with its front legs. Yeah, I got some reposts and plenty of likes. But I also got a quoted repost in Spanish. My Spanish ain't too hot, but I gathered the poster was saying "LOOK! INDYCAR DRIVERS DO THIS S**T AND THEY COMPLAIN ABOUT WHAT AUGUSTIN DID!" I didn't reply. Best not poke that stick into that particular hornets nest.
Last year's incidents ALSO included Canipono liking and commenting on questionable posts regarding the incidents.
Best element to social media interactions?
... it can all be ignored.
How has everyone forgotten that? It's the best part!
You think Robin Miller would care about any of that bullshit? No, he'd instead be praising Parnelli Jones, ... Icon.
What is sad is that’s great to have Canapino in the series. It’s a great story. The behaviour of these troll fans is just garbage.
Well, I can't say I'm completely shocked at this. And it's disappointing that neither Canapino nor Juncos didn't seem to do much to get the fans to stop. They didn't do much, if anything, last year when it happened to Ilott either. It's a shame because Canapino seems to come across as a decent guy otherwise. But his actions here don't paint a great picture to be honest, both the liking that tweet and his statement saying that he didn't see any death threats.
I do wonder if there's a bit of a cultural barrier here, but surely things as serious as death threats are abhorred everywhere, right? But then again, if you look at some of the things that go on in football (soccer) in South America for instance, with their ultras and the like, I don't know. I mean, look at the rivalry between Argentinian clubs River Plate and Boca Juniors and the fact that fans often end up fighting each other during their derbies, it's insane.
Yeah, this behavior from Argentinan fans is pretty normal in Argentinan motorsports
@@edwardrodriguez4 I don't recall coming across José María López getting caught up in these sorts of controversies, although I think I do recall Sam Bird maybe copping some heat online after he and López came together on the opening lap of a Formula E race in Santiago which ended up with Pechito in the wall and out of the race.
There probably is an element of that here, but JHR and Canapino are fanning the flames instead of saying "look guys, we appreciate thet you want to support Canapino and you're passionate about it, but this doesn't work in IndyCar, so knock it off!" I'm not saying that will stop it, but liking tweets and dismissing concerns of the threatened drivers as something they should just ignore, isn't acceptable in the IndyCar culture.
@@Mike_Connor It shouldn't be acceptable in any culture to be honest.
I remember Timo Glock said that he got death threats by Brazilian fans back in 2008 when Hamilton passed him to win the championship over Massa.
So there is precedent with South American racing fans and death threats.
Canopino and Santino would be teammates from hell at AJ Foyt Racing
funny because I've followed juncos radio on races, ricardo warns Canapino whenever Santino is behind on restarts 😂
I've been an indycar fan for 30 years. Indycar fans blow up any negative news.
TV ratings are always bought up, just what? The tv ratings are better than 10 years ago. Personally, I believe way off negativity. I think indycar is doing 2 million a race.
Old car? It isn't broke so I can wait a few years for a new car.
Josef is terrible for the series. Nascar would love josef in their series right now.
The best one I laugh at the most on social media, Roger doesn't know what he's doing. Excuse me? He only has a few billion dollars. Roger bought indycar in 2019. He had a 5-year plan for the series. March 2020, that 5-year plan got delayed a few years. Ask chip ganassi or any good business, they will argue.
Zoom out and look from the 10,000 feet len and step away from the computer and watch the business networks like cnbc and Bloomberg. Indycar is in good shape. Yes, things need to be fixed. Imsa has issues. Nascar has issues.
Be honest the best series heading in the right direction right now is motoamerica.
I think it also has to do with the statement canapino put out, basically denying any of the behavior going on
Thank you for the perspective, very insightful. Ironically, Ocon did a similar stupid move on his F1 Alpine teammate, resulting in his firing from Alpine. Theo Pourchaire is one of the names listed to replace him next year.
He was leaving Alpine anyway
I’m south american (Peruvian precisely). And I’ve seen the side of the Argentinian fans since most of my friends are from there.
And my dude, Martín Ponte (The broadcaster who placed the “Callum Pourchaire” tweet) is probably one of the least respected retired drivers and broadcaster in Argentina. His inputs are usually horrid and his opinions are usually the worst.
Combine that with a hord of rabid stans which will go and defend their hero even if they are in the wrong and they will break the rules for the sake of getting their point across.
The fanbase is the problem? Yes. But I want to make a small incision on a somewhat double standards that the US-UK Fanbase has????
For example, Ferrucci, Herta and Kirkwood went almost to fist fighting, Power said he wanted to punch Grosjean in the face last year at Road America again, and no one said a thing. I’m not implying that Canapino and JHR are the victims, no they are not. But the Anglospeaking fanbase doesn’t help the situation at all since all comments on twitter is basically a hate train against JHR-Canapino now wanting them gone for good.
At this day and age, when we’re supposed to be the “most advanced civilization” we’ve ever been… I would expect everyone to at least know how to behave.
Hold up there, sir! It is one thing to want to pop a guy in a fight for a problem on the track, but it’s another thing to threaten someone’s life and then urge others to get involved.
@@markvincent5992 I am completely agreeing with this. Hence why I didn’t say that Canapino-JHR (and stans) are safe here. The main fault here is from them.
But I wanted to make a mark that it’s not just an issue with them only. Everything is messed up.
It isn't the first time Canapino took the side of the crazed fans. Also, I believe McLaren had an interest in Illott and wanted to support him at Juncos-Hollinger, then after the McLaren relationship was announced, J-H screwed over Illott by dropping him so late. Brown was probably looking for a reason to terminate the partnership.
Back in the day when I was online racing... I would look for and you could find multiple rooms that accepted US drivers only. Almost always it was clean and good fun. Take from that what you will about some other countries fan bases.
Yes dont let any argentinian drive outside of the country again
Jermey Clarkson is probably saying "tell me more about Argentinian tempers"
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The on-track product certainly isn’t the problem. IndyCar needs to sink a shit ton of $ into the right kind of marketing. They need to do the hard, expensive work of undoing the damage of the split (and make Tony George pay for it? 😂) Decades of decay followed. Jumping on twit fights and bad behavior is easy and cheap (and childish and petty) and it’s not going to do the trick.
Yeah, I saw the title and I said, "Really?" Interesting! Thanks David, you monitor the news so I can suffer at work, thank you Sir!
Were all valid to have our own opinions. I feel like this whole situation could have been avoided if Juno's came out with a strong statement that they do not condone any hate and forces their driver to release a media statement telling his fans to not send hate. But it speaks a lot on that team they they did nothing and didn't care. They aren't looking for anyone to be fired but to stand up for what's right.
If I ran indycar I think about giving juncos a race ban or indycar does charter there not getting them this is the 2nd time and if they can't there fans to control themselves then they should not be in the series. Like this is just a bad look like sponsor, driver and other car brands would not want to deal with juncos (fan wise) If they going to do this every time there driver gets hit
Canapino should try a year or two in Nascar and then we’ll really see his fanbase’s heads explode!
XD
would be awesome
It's shocking and disappointing Indycars silence on this.
Thanks for all your videos David
I feel like Conor Daly could do some big things in JHR ride. Those have some speed. Or had, maybe not after this news.
canapino isn't the whole problem. firing him gets rid of something happening again perhaps, but Ricardo didnt do enough to support Callum last year and it sounds like he sided with canapino anyways, its a whole team issue
Noah Gragson lost his Cup ride last year after liking a FB meme. If I was a professional athlete I would never have social media accounts. What might have been funny in the morning is threatening in the afternoon. 🤔
If you really want to piss of an Argentinian just bring up how they never had a claim to the Falklands.
RULE BRITANNIA
As Spanish speaker fan, sometimes I've seen some people go crazy and talking about how many times Canapino is better or the absolute best in very disrespectful ways and especially with Pato looks like the want to create a war for who hispanic driver is the best. If something happens to Pato they also make fun, bully and insult everyone. So you have Two McLaren drivers having trouble with these people. (3 if we add Callum to the team).
Of course not everyone is like this and those are not real fans, but it has surprised me that nobody was doing at least something to stop those. Now death threats and still defending/denying it happened?? Canapino can say whatever at the end of the day (disrespectful too) but It's like JHR just don't want to put attention to the issue and keep letting things happen
Brilliant observations David, thank you
Bottom line is
If your a driver Stay off social media unless you have good things to say
Don’t do it Don’t shoot yourself in the foot
Congrats, David on your new partnership. Looking forward to finding out more about it.
I think the problem you bring up at the end of the video regarding all of the stories being off-track drama is a result of INDYCAR not pushing the championship as much. A lot of it is because of the broadcast. I think showing the points format often and doing more of the “points as they run” graphics would be beneficial. I also believe that they should give us some kind of indicator so we can see who was on pole and who’s led laps and who has led the most laps so that we can more easily keep up with how the championship is being affected by the race we are currently watching. There are so many great championship storylines like Dixon v. Palou and O’Ward v. Rossi McLaren battle and then McLaughlin and Newgarden charging their way back up to the front of the championship. INDYCAR just needs to make the championship the number one storyline.
Ponte involved again, hahah. In the Canapino-Ilott incident, he said on the latin american broadcast, "you won 44 millions of enemies". And then, all the online attacks started.
Man... they fought so much for a seat, and fans (and sensasionalists journalists, don't forget em) are screwing all up, exccept that in this incident, Canapino screwed up badly accusing Pourchaire of lying.
Looking sharp here DL
I know this isn't the topic of the video, but I was wondering why is it so difficult to win back to back championships in Indycar? Ever since the introduction of the DW12 nobody has won twice in a row.
I think it's because the talent level in Indycar right now is fantastic. Add to that the equal equipment and what you get is a series where one bad day takes you out of contention for the championship. Hard to have 2 perfect years in a row lol
if Canapino is the problem and i don't think he is, than there is good options of argentinian drivers, Jose Maria Lopez, previous 24h le mans winner, Franco Colapinto F2 Imola GP race winner
The problem is the damage is already done. You can resurrect Fangio and bring it to IndyCar, now all the series will look to any argentinean driver as problematic. Remember what happened with Colapinto last week in Monaco after the team made a mistake with the tyres.
Noah Gragson would certainly have a lot to say when it comes to consequences for liking something on social media
They need to learn to use sock accounts.
@@T.N.D.88 or hire a social media manager
Noah was suspended by Legacy Racing and NASCAR for liking a racial Instagram post. He asked to be released from his contract with LMC. He was reinstated by NASCAR and hired by Stewart Haas Racing. Now SHR will be closing down at the end of this season.
JHR is Junior league organization, they prove it over and over. BTW it's "utmost" not upmost lol
And the translation of his radio message was crazy dude should've muted the radio of something cuz idk if he thought we couldn't speak Spanish
I think we can all agree Canapino’s fans and for some reason it seems to be an Argentinian culture thing that they’re passionate to the point that they’re unhinged and passionate to the point of assault.
Remember what the Argentinians did to the Top Gear guys??? They wanted to kill them, they made death threats, and tried to carry them out! They set up road blocks, threw rocks, eggs, and trashed their cars and ran them out of the country!
Funny enough I think due to Canapino’s fans, they’re going to cost him his seat because they’re so nuts.
Please don't put every one of us in the same bag. Most of us realize it is a racing incident and it ends on the track. Unfortunately a bunch of keyboard hooligans did not. As for the Top Gear incident, I do not endorse violence, but it was provoked by the reference to Malvinas/Falklands war in Clarkson's license plate.
@@FMAlchemist2006 first, they had no control over the license plate, second, suggesting that the irrational response was _provoked by a license plate_ really doesn’t make it look any better.
@@valerierodger they tracked the license plate history for that car. It was changed a couple of months prior to shipping it to Argentina. I agree that the response was totally exagerated.
Social media is structured to promote this kind of behavior because it is the best way to grow user engagement. This issue has occurred on national levels and lead to violence, and no one in the government could get ahold of representatives of the big tech companies.
This is the kind of behavior that we used to downplay before the internet. It may grow engagement but not on a good way.
@@markvincent5992 Tech executives are selectively ignoring this issue. They tell their engineers to do whatever it takes to reach unrealistic targets and don’t ask questions about how they hit them.
Soccer Fan Mentality. That's the kind of mindset these fans who follow their drivers and poisons the pool to the point affecting the product.
10:52 Sorry if you already covered it in a different video, but did you give your prediction of who you think will be in the Meyer Shank car the rest of the year?
You don’t see Brazilians hating on Ferrucci for punting Helio. As an Argentinian this is honestly shameful. Not surprised. There is such a thing as too much “passion” and you’re seeing it. It turns to abuse and threats.
The toxic Argie fan base will probably cost F2’s Colapinto a shot at F1. Regardless of his talent teams will look at him with an asterisk and think twice about it. No need for public relations nightmares.
I don't think Colapinto's had this happen to him yet, unless you're saying that it could happen if he gets an F1 seat? And I don't think I've ever come across José María López being caught up in these sorts of controversies.
Does this sort of toxicity occur in Argentinian sport a lot then? I mean, looking at the rivalry between River Plate and Boca Juniors in football is insane, it feels like the only time that rivalry pops up in Europe, or certainly where I live in the UK, is when the derby's marred by fan violence.
@@dominicbarden4436 hasn’t happened YET. I haven’t seen much of F2 this year but my I guess there hasn’t been an incident yet, and also Canapino is still a bigger star in Arg.
But the first instance something like this were to happen in F1 they’d be out in a heartbeat.
My fellow Argies are too passionate about sports and their athletes/teams competing for the flag. Keep in mind the Arg football first division has no away fans since 2013 because of constant violence. So the violence/toxicity isn’t just Arg v rest of the world. We eat our own too.
That fanatic hooliganism is leaking into motorsports. No place for it imo.
@@diegobert4033 Yeah I think football tribalism has found its way into F1 somewhat, particularly with the Hamilton and Verstappen fanbases thanks to the drama, for want of a better word, of 2021. And as a Hamilton and McLaren fan, I hated that. I honestly enjoyed McLaren vs. Ferrari for 3rd in the Constructors more than the title fight as the season went on.
Hooliganism in football isn't as much of a thing in the UK compared to the height of its infamy in the 80s, I think, though the scenes that marred the FA Cup match between West Bromwich Albion and Wolverhampton Wanderers back in January paint a bit of a different picture. Or there was that time a Birmingham City fan ran onto the pitch during their derby against Aston Villa and punched then-Villa striker Jack Grealish. The fan was also carrying a knife. That's not to say that there aren't ultras groups in British football, I'm pretty sure there are, but I don't think we hear about their activities much compared to groups in other countries. I think there's more of an ultras culture in mainland Europe for instance, which has its own issues with the large number of incidents of racism towards players for example, especially in Spain and Italy it seems. Some people defend it as passionate and part of the game, but really, the fights between groups and the ideologies of those groups have virtually nothing to do with football itself.
@@dominicbarden4436 I mean UK still hasn’t had to ban away fans so there’s still some civility. I just never understood these overly passionate people, the whole point of watching sports is to escape problems and stresses from life. Some people willfully choose misery.
@@diegobert4033 True, the worst we've had was when English teams, never mind the fans, were outright banned from European competitions (e.g. the European Cup, now the Champions League) in the wake of the Heysel Stadium Disaster in 1985 when Liverpool fans attacked Juventus fans and 39 people were killed and 600 injured in a rickety and poorly maintained stadium in Belgium. English teams weren't allowed to enter UEFA competitions again until 1990.
I'm sorry that this has happened, but social media can be cruel and unjust to what really happens. Take for example what happened to Noah Gragson last year. Someone wanted to get rid of him and had to dig through his likes on social media to get him fired. He has rebounded in his career and so will the Juncos Hollinger drivers. It's going to be tough, but I think they will all keep moving forward and success will follow.
Max and Lewis fans be like: First time?
And now back to racing. Would be thrilled to see Rossi pickup a win this weekend.
It’s an ugly situation yes but I feel that it’s covered a lot due to it being a unique situation. And frankly it needs to be covered so that it sends a warning to other drivers and their fan bases to treat others with respect.
Juncos might be a little scared to get rid of Canapino. Imagine how his fans would react to him not racing in indycar for 2025