this was one of the reason the IRL wasn't good during the early part of the split... the sound turned too many fans off... sound is EVERYTHING with a race car and indycars just have that distinct sound. this ruined it.
I never really got to watch this era of the IRL. My child self was way too much of a Gordon fan at this point all I did was watch NASCAR, the beginning of the IRL/CART split years was basically the 500 (Both of them lol) and a couple random CART races. I started watching open wheel more again in high school when I was like "Oh yeah, Indycar was awesome why don't I watch more"
The racing was incredibly enjoyable to watch. Lots of passing and close racing. The engines sounded like a beast - raw power. Turbos sounded better, but I like these more than the engines today.
I am just shocked at the number of people who thought these engines sounded better than the CART turbos. No way. They sound like NASCAR engines trapped in open wheel cars. They also were so big they unbalanced the cars and led to the Crapwagon look. Thankfully this era of sport is gone and IndyCar is going through an upturn with the V6 turbos.
Wish we could go back to all motor. Not a turbo fan. Just crank up the rpms and power. But manufacturers don't want to build V8s anymore. Major racing series don't excite me anymore with their formulas. World's too soft.
Meh, this was just massive Crapwagon engines. The golden era of Indy was the first turbo era in the 80’s and early 90’s. If anything the current areo and engines are as close to the golden era now as we have had and Indy feels like it is finally big again.
@@ryanfraley7113 Most would say the golden era was the 60s and 70s when the rulebooks didn't exist. A tiny 2.2 V6 twin turbo with cars that weigh nearly 2000 pounds now bring ZERO excitement. 700 or so horsepower is pathetic. I've got more in my mustang in the garage, and that just shouldn't be the case.
@@walterwhite6074 I’d say record crowds at Indy would indicate that things are finally going in the right direction. Personally I love the old V8 turbo engines CART used but the modern engines are very similar in nature to those. The issue with going back to 1000 hp is safety. Death in Motorsport is inevitable but if the stupid incidents like the Wheldon one can be prevented then the regulatory body, in this case IndyCar, did their jobs.
@@ryanfraley7113 Do you work for Roger Penske or are you just a newcomer to this sport? Where do I start? Record crowds at Indy? Who is saying that? What kool-aid is Mark Miles giving you? Everyone who is anyone knows the biggest crowds ever were from the 60s-90s. Qualifying used to be a full house, now it is a ghost town (which is understandable to a degree with spec cars, no bumping, etc.) Wheldon's death had nothing to do with horsepower (only about 600 or so in those cars) and a lot more about Las Vegas's incorrect placement of fence posts and too many Indycars (35 I believe) on a 1.5 mile oval. I've been in turn 3 for decades, never miss a race, and Indy always is great, big crowds, the atmosphere is electric, and so on. The problem is the rest of the schedule. Ownership of Indycar never puts in the marketing and promotion for the other races. No matter who runs it they just can't do it properly which is why Penske needs to let the owners run the rest of the schedule with smarter people who can help Indycar get back to what it was.
The idea of using a production based v8 was actually smart..... For a junior series. Taking into account junior series cars like Formula 2 or Formula 3, the single most expensive part wasn't the chassis, but the engine. Which for a development series where it's important to show your skill, the last thing you need is your engine blew over. With production based engine, it will save a lot of money. I've say junior series, not the actual main series. And that's were IRL pre Penske and Ganassi invasion were sort of fail to me, not only there's no star powers in driver, but what makes you cared about series if the car wasn't interesting. Unlike in stock cars/NASCAR, open wheelers or formula car would always had technological psy-war between teams and manufacturers. This proved at the time BTW, and the reason CART going bankrupt is more than just it got expensive, but rather a huge mismanagement at that time.
@@encinobalboaAnd ran the sport into the ground along with lots of careers. The saddest part of it was all the drivers that never got to race at Indy or get a win but were competitive at the other ovals.
Boy looking at that crowd it’s deceptive because the SMI tracks made the NASCAR ticket buyers buy a season ticket like package for the huge amount of money they were paying back then. It was like getting a coupon for an extra race hearing these were the Indy 500 drivers made it a novelty thing like the first years of NASCAR at IMS.
i remember I liked it when they started to go to single plane cranks because the Foyt cars stuck with duel plane till the end and when they came past it cued me on the laps passing. It was a very different sound. i think Foyt stuck with the cross plane until 2001.
Basically it was the entire state of Indiana. Outside of the the state people watched CART more and were more causal fans following the series the IRL.
Tell me about it. I couldn’t help but laugh at how Will Power described the IRL car being able to go wide open out of the fountain chicane at Long Beach while the Champ Car couldn’t even get full throttle because of the power.
@@DW98rosy that’s something every CART fan will admit. After 2002. Some would even say after 2001, CART died and champ car didn’t have the same feel whatsoever
@@DW98rosyYeah, the engine was drastically depowered after that with the turbo boost reduction and the only manufacturer being left being Cosworth. That’s part of why Champ Car didn’t get much traction after the CART bankruptcy.
IndyCar COULD have more roars on their engine. The V6 isn't silent as everyone said, just look at the old Honda NSX sounds, they just need to update the exhaust pipe to create a V12 Cub on it, and i'll tell you it would almost the same if not better than V8. I think why we haven't sen that is not cost reason, but rather noise complaint thing. Remember Laguna Seca law suit? Yeah those type of people actually exist. Also IndyCar are still very dependant on Street Course, which for California region, would be a huge problem. Shame really, but no one says it can't
@@homeperson11244Honestly I prefer the cross crank V8 a lot more, but yeah uncorked V6s and I6s are really up there in power and sound just under the cross crank V8s. It's always those idiots who buy homes around race tracks and then complain about the noise who ruin it for everyone...
@@fortcrafterbossbehold9027 there's always a room for people to ruin everybody life by lawsuit. From vegans, to colorblind people. No disrespect to them, but i've seen many comments and arguments we're made by that people. Just because you had something different, doesn't mean everyone should obey you. And that's part of living, you can't just set your game to easy mode everytime and be whining about it. It's better to accept things and just move on from it instead make things goes even south.
@@homeperson11244 Yeah I agree, setting your game to easy mode is the most selfish thing you can do. Not including money (in which you absolutely can make a shit ton and be in the top 1% without harming a soul, contrary to the main narrative), it is almost impossible to set your own game to easy mode without setting others to impossible modes.
The early years of the IRL felt like if NASCAR started an open wheel series.
this was one of the reason the IRL wasn't good during the early part of the split... the sound turned too many fans off... sound is EVERYTHING with a race car and indycars just have that distinct sound. this ruined it.
@@ILSRWY4 It's not that it was a bad sound, but coming from a modern-ish IndyCar it just didn't seem right somehow.
When Texas Motor Speedway was the second home of the IRL
Welcome to the NASCAR IndyCar Series
I need more of this
I never really got to watch this era of the IRL.
My child self was way too much of a Gordon fan at this point all I did was watch NASCAR, the beginning of the IRL/CART split years was basically the 500 (Both of them lol) and a couple random CART races. I started watching open wheel more again in high school when I was like "Oh yeah, Indycar was awesome why don't I watch more"
The racing was incredibly enjoyable to watch. Lots of passing and close racing. The engines sounded like a beast - raw power. Turbos sounded better, but I like these more than the engines today.
3:56 there’s a good way to get a sense of the speed
I like the sound of current generation V6 turbos, but wow, this is something different!
Those cars my dad said were loud as fuck.
Hey, thanks for making this video, i thought nobody gave a shit about these cars.
Yeah, CART was better but these cars were still pretty good. Too bad the split ruined the sport for good.
IRL. A melhor fase da indy
I am just shocked at the number of people who thought these engines sounded better than the CART turbos. No way. They sound like NASCAR engines trapped in open wheel cars. They also were so big they unbalanced the cars and led to the Crapwagon look. Thankfully this era of sport is gone and IndyCar is going through an upturn with the V6 turbos.
Yeah those screaming CART turbos were absolutely awesome sounding. Just watch the record run at Fonrana to see and hear the beauty.
Turbos suck, the modern V6s are awful. CART was especially bad with how unbalanced the teams were and how engine ownership was managed.
May sound strange ... but i miss 97-99 IRL AND late 90s CART.
When Indycar had nascar engine.
Is it wrong I think these are sick?
The sound just doesn’t compute lol
It's like the shitty version of the cross plane v8 in the prototype (imsa and wec) caddy's
Vbb🎉
Wish we could go back to all motor. Not a turbo fan. Just crank up the rpms and power. But manufacturers don't want to build V8s anymore. Major racing series don't excite me anymore with their formulas. World's too soft.
Meh, this was just massive Crapwagon engines. The golden era of Indy was the first turbo era in the 80’s and early 90’s. If anything the current areo and engines are as close to the golden era now as we have had and Indy feels like it is finally big again.
@@ryanfraley7113 Most would say the golden era was the 60s and 70s when the rulebooks didn't exist. A tiny 2.2 V6 twin turbo with cars that weigh nearly 2000 pounds now bring ZERO excitement. 700 or so horsepower is pathetic. I've got more in my mustang in the garage, and that just shouldn't be the case.
@@walterwhite6074 I’d say record crowds at Indy would indicate that things are finally going in the right direction. Personally I love the old V8 turbo engines CART used but the modern engines are very similar in nature to those. The issue with going back to 1000 hp is safety. Death in Motorsport is inevitable but if the stupid incidents like the Wheldon one can be prevented then the regulatory body, in this case IndyCar, did their jobs.
@@ryanfraley7113 Do you work for Roger Penske or are you just a newcomer to this sport? Where do I start? Record crowds at Indy? Who is saying that? What kool-aid is Mark Miles giving you? Everyone who is anyone knows the biggest crowds ever were from the 60s-90s. Qualifying used to be a full house, now it is a ghost town (which is understandable to a degree with spec cars, no bumping, etc.) Wheldon's death had nothing to do with horsepower (only about 600 or so in those cars) and a lot more about Las Vegas's incorrect placement of fence posts and too many Indycars (35 I believe) on a 1.5 mile oval. I've been in turn 3 for decades, never miss a race, and Indy always is great, big crowds, the atmosphere is electric, and so on. The problem is the rest of the schedule. Ownership of Indycar never puts in the marketing and promotion for the other races. No matter who runs it they just can't do it properly which is why Penske needs to let the owners run the rest of the schedule with smarter people who can help Indycar get back to what it was.
Crapwagons
Good thing is over. They were awful…
Do I think these cars sound and look better than CART? No, CART was better.
Do I think these cars do sound and look pretty cool, however? Yeah.
So much like NASCAR they even had Mike Joy on commentary lol
Indycar sounding like Nascar
Yeah but is a lik Different
No, better
Novi sound.
Except way better racing and speed. Real drivers.
@@joesmithguide Which? NASCAR or IndyCar? IRL was the best, hands down!
The idea of using a production based v8 was actually smart..... For a junior series. Taking into account junior series cars like Formula 2 or Formula 3, the single most expensive part wasn't the chassis, but the engine. Which for a development series where it's important to show your skill, the last thing you need is your engine blew over. With production based engine, it will save a lot of money.
I've say junior series, not the actual main series. And that's were IRL pre Penske and Ganassi invasion were sort of fail to me, not only there's no star powers in driver, but what makes you cared about series if the car wasn't interesting. Unlike in stock cars/NASCAR, open wheelers or formula car would always had technological psy-war between teams and manufacturers. This proved at the time BTW, and the reason CART going bankrupt is more than just it got expensive, but rather a huge mismanagement at that time.
Regardless of whether you like the sound or not. This was Tony George's vision of IndyCar racing.
Nothing made me happier than to see Tony George's golf cart covered in trash at IMS after the reunification.
Tony lost millions on his adventure.
@@encinobalboaAnd ran the sport into the ground along with lots of careers. The saddest part of it was all the drivers that never got to race at Indy or get a win but were competitive at the other ovals.
Boy looking at that crowd it’s deceptive because the SMI tracks made the NASCAR ticket buyers buy a season ticket like package for the huge amount of money they were paying back then. It was like getting a coupon for an extra race hearing these were the Indy 500 drivers made it a novelty thing like the first years of NASCAR at IMS.
For me, this sound is the one of most prettiest indycar's engine sounds lol
i remember I liked it when they started to go to single plane cranks because the Foyt cars stuck with duel plane till the end and when they came past it cued me on the laps passing. It was a very different sound. i think Foyt stuck with the cross plane until 2001.
This is what a race car was meant to sound like.
NOT an indycar.....
Sounds the golden age of Nascar. Found the perfect engine car.
It’s fine for NASCAR. Not IndyCar though.
@@ILSRWY4 You really went around the whole comment section to tell EVERYONE your opinion. We don't care!
Imagine thinking these shitwagons were better than Champ cars
Basically it was the entire state of Indiana. Outside of the the state people watched CART more and were more causal fans following the series the IRL.
imagine thinking champ car was good after 2002.
Tell me about it. I couldn’t help but laugh at how Will Power described the IRL car being able to go wide open out of the fountain chicane at Long Beach while the Champ Car couldn’t even get full throttle because of the power.
@@DW98rosy that’s something every CART fan will admit. After 2002. Some would even say after 2001, CART died and champ car didn’t have the same feel whatsoever
@@DW98rosyYeah, the engine was drastically depowered after that with the turbo boost reduction and the only manufacturer being left being Cosworth. That’s part of why Champ Car didn’t get much traction after the CART bankruptcy.
We need more open wheel cars with cross plane V8’s
CRAPWAGONS
When Tony George decided indycar needed less CART and more fart
Like a Fórmula 5000 but with more RPM
Where did the innovation go? High performance cookie cutter slot cars.
You guys are right. They do sound like Stock Cars. 🤮
I loved 2000 when you heard the mix of engines but overall I love the natural v8s up to 2009 before the muffler
Please bring this INDYCAR back
Indycar is not open wheel NASCAR.
@@encinobalboaIndycar used to be an oval series and most top/rising American Indycar drivers went to NASCAR...
I went to most practice days and all the Indy 500's during this era. Those 4.0 liter V-8's were the worst-sounding engines ever.
Why did they move to flat-plane then?
Esses carros de design lindos 😎👉🏻👍🏻
Bring these motors back.
Way better than the crappy v6 that Indy and F1 use.
That goes without saying.
Brilliant sound
Best and the most fun IndyCar.
You got to be kidding, probably the worst sounding Indycar ,and possibly the worst sounding race car of all time. Definitely an ugly...
What the hell are you talking about? It sounds really amazing!
@@aleNSfquite honestly, they look pretty good, too.
The IRL cars from 2002 onwards were worse. The ‘farting bee’ era
@@astinus4 factually, no. 2002 onwards was when the cars went from looking good to looking absolutely spectacular.
@stanredden5119 extremely gay take.
We complained at the time but it was way louder and nicer than the ridiculous turbo hybrid we have nowadays
IndyCar COULD have more roars on their engine. The V6 isn't silent as everyone said, just look at the old Honda NSX sounds, they just need to update the exhaust pipe to create a V12 Cub on it, and i'll tell you it would almost the same if not better than V8.
I think why we haven't sen that is not cost reason, but rather noise complaint thing. Remember Laguna Seca law suit? Yeah those type of people actually exist. Also IndyCar are still very dependant on Street Course, which for California region, would be a huge problem. Shame really, but no one says it can't
@@homeperson11244Honestly I prefer the cross crank V8 a lot more, but yeah uncorked V6s and I6s are really up there in power and sound just under the cross crank V8s. It's always those idiots who buy homes around race tracks and then complain about the noise who ruin it for everyone...
@@fortcrafterbossbehold9027 there's always a room for people to ruin everybody life by lawsuit. From vegans, to colorblind people. No disrespect to them, but i've seen many comments and arguments we're made by that people. Just because you had something different, doesn't mean everyone should obey you. And that's part of living, you can't just set your game to easy mode everytime and be whining about it. It's better to accept things and just move on from it instead make things goes even south.
The current Indycar engines are not hybrids yet.
@@homeperson11244 Yeah I agree, setting your game to easy mode is the most selfish thing you can do. Not including money (in which you absolutely can make a shit ton and be in the top 1% without harming a soul, contrary to the main narrative), it is almost impossible to set your own game to easy mode without setting others to impossible modes.