METALLICA IS CANCELLED?!
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- Опубліковано 9 сер 2022
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Metallica is cancelled according to "Is your fav problematic" on TikTok! This TikTok user shares examples of Lars Ulrich and James Hetfield of Metallica making edgy, racist jokes and calls them out for it. Is Metallica cancelled, or have they changed? Is this cancel culture?
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The woke generation has gone insane. Metallica is not cancelled by the Metallica fans.
One thing you should know about the salutes is James is the only white guy in Metallica considering Lars is Danish. They're just being silly the same way Jason newstead was being silly doing a goose step during am I evil.
@@Grimeyhoob unless you count load
You're so right about your stepmother, my little Midwestern granny used words like oriental (with a Japanese daughter in law) and colored but she was born in 1921 and didn't mean it that way at all
At the same time you can't have a band like Metallica and expect them to like rainbows and flowers right.
You know what’s not cancelled: the next Metallica tour sold out all over the world at premium prices
Ey-ey-ey-ey-ey-ey-ey
This girl 20 years from now trying to cancel the entire human race:
Premium prices oh my🤦way to much $$ for a few old classics played 💯
Amen brother
A travesty that i cant hit the like button more than once
She must be a very unhappy person. If you look hard enough into anyone on this planet including her, you will eventually find something "problematic" and a way to cancel them.
that's exactly the issue. Like there is so much wrong with the actions of metallica members and it shouldn't be brushed aside but most of it was ages ago which hopefully gave them time to learn their lessons and you could cancel anybody's favourite artists. Give me anyone and I could go on twitter and get them cancelled because everyone has dirt on them. Its how you change and learn from those mistakes that matters.
That's the problem with cancel culture, it isn't there to make the world more "woke" its just there for those looking for blood. If you actually want to have a proper impact on peoples actions and attitudes, call them out for stuff they did in the now.
Also its ironic Axl Rose was used as a source for proving the racism vs Ice Tea when Axl Rose himself was a massive bigot.
She’s probably one of those people so insecure of themselves to where they have to throw shit at other people to feel better about themselves. I know this because I used to be this person. I never hit a kid or anything but I was still a dick.
edgy unpopular teen i'd say. i might be projecting a bit. but she reminds me of how good it felt back in the day to have a messed up fact about something others like up your sleeve, like: "yeah, you like Rihanna huh? my favorite time was when she did a show in Frankfurt and yelled at the audience: "how are we Berlin?"" In hindsight I wasn't even sure it was Rihanna who did that mistake.
Pretty much every lib
Video of her saying the N word
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Finn: "Don't fight fire with fire"
Metallica: And I took that personally
Track 1 on ride the lighting! Classic album
"Why would you wanna change, if you cant be forgiven for the dumb shit you did in the past" is one of the best points about cancel culture I've heard so far. Love your take on this, very unbiased and objective!
Lots of people on the right have internalized this message. I know it’s trite but woke culture is actively creating racists and n*azis. Lots of people with mildly conservative positions have gone total “fck it” over the past few years because they feel like they can’t do anything right.
💯💯💯
As if humans should be born adults , or else..........
Because it's still wrong?
This is equivalent to calling out you're sibling who used to be an addict or in a gang or something 20+ years ago when now they're a good person trying to raise a family. Let people grow, let people live and learn. Nothing wrong with bringing up the past in certain contexts, but shaming people that have clearly grown from their past is unnecessary.
I remember a few years back I watched the CW show The Flash and at one point some 10 year old tweets surfaced from one of the actors where he made some tasteless edgy "racist/sexist" jokes. The NEXT DAY he was fired and the showrunner and the stars of the show came out and talked about how ashamed they were to have ever worked with him. And as far as I know he's to this day never worked as an actor again. His entire career gone in an instant because he made "offensive jokes" when he was younger. Jokes that were by the standards of the time no big deal. They ruined the man's life over petty bullshit and they cheered about it. That's just the world we live in now. And it's only going to get worse.
@@BrandonHeat243 ugh 🤦♂️
Where I live everyone is either Mexican or black I am white and make up about 5% of the population I live south of Sanjose about 15 minutes my whole life I have been called names and that’s just life the real racist people are the cons like that bitch right there. She doesn’t even know what the hell she’s talking about if I don’t like somebody and it has nothing to do with the color of their skin everyone has their own problems trust me I have more than my share I am proud to be white I am proud that my family migrated from Norway and I’m first-generation American And there’s nothing wrong with that. When I look in the mirror in the morning I don’t feel shame at all for being white and nobody should for any race. It’s a free country my father got shot in the face for this country freedom of speech is a big part of it! I could go on but I feel like I’m wasting my time
That's this generation. Everything in the past is valid to right now. If I said something on a message board in the 90's as a dumb kid trying to be edgy, then I decide I want to run for local office to help my community out. They would dredge up those message boards and use it as proof I am unfit to be a community leader. To them, people can't grow, change, reflect on mistakes etc. Everything you say and do, all the time, is gospel.
@@RatelHBadger sucks but you're right. At least with politicians there is some political gain to be achieved with this call out stuff, for tick tokers the motive seems to be just to stir the pot
Making nazi jokes doesn't make you a Nazi. James doing the Hitler mustache shows its mocking nazi. And with Jason doing the nazi march during a concert makes sense considering their songs talk about the horrors of war
Not to mention the song they were playing while Jason was doing the march is called "Am I evil"
Exactly, you might want to consider context with those Nazi references.
It's like watching Scooby-Doo & saying something like "Wow, this show contains occult images & ideas", yet failing to mention that it's the bad guy they're talking about.
Imagine people trying to cancel Ministry for having “Sieg Hiel” being chanted in their song that mocks nationalism
This apparent evidence of Nazism comes off less Varg Vikernes and more John Cleese.
Metallica fan here to debunk some of the stuff:
-The Nazi salute that Hetfield and Ulrich did was very very obviously a joke, hence the Hitler stache.
-The Iron cross was not just a Nazi symbol as you pointed out, but also used by Prussian warriors before the Nazis. Outlaw bikers used the cross for shock value/rebellion, without actually standing for Nazis. James was a huge bike/car fan as one of his signature guitars sports a truck design and he has a well known hobby of old cars/bikes. Not only that, but Lemmy (Motorhead), one of his biggest musical inspirations, collected war memorabilia, including Nazi items such as iron crosses (Lemmy was not a racist, he just liked war history). James probably got the idea for these from him. ESP literally made a signature guitar for James with the cross, I don't think they'd do this if it was intended to be a Nazi symbol.
-Hanging out with Kerry King does not mean you support a single part of the shirt he's wearing. Tacky photo yes, does it prove anything? No.
-The Jason Nazi salute was done because they wanted to troll both nazis and commies (This was during the ongoing Cold War). If anything, it was an anti nazi movement.
-I severely doubt James was a racist, one of their original members Lloyd, was african american and a dear friend of james. Why would he not want to share a stage with a a black guy if they literally had one in their band prior.. Also, are we seriously taking accusations from Axl.. AKA the guy who is known for using the n word multiple times both in interviews and songs, and acting racist?!
-The asian thing was something dumb that I'm sure a lot of us have done as kids back in the early 2000s. I've done it myself as well. James was most likely misinformed and that was honestly just socially acceptable at the time.
-Not caring who someone votes for is perfectly fine and actually a better outlook on things. Why is these even one of her points. My friends vote for trump, that does not change a single view of mine on them.
-Like Finn said, where are your donations? I didn't donate either, that says literally nothing about my qualities or character.
-The drug and suicide stuff was not cool, but then again it was a seriously different time. Kurt would have laughed at that joke honestly and the whole band are now friends with members of AIC. They've made the effort to change, let it go. (Kurt also loved metallica and kirk was friends with him if i recall). Also, it didn't happen days after Cobain's death. It happened almost 2 months after.
-They said a lot of dumb stuff was that socially acceptable back then and they've changed for the better. Why does this kind of cancelling behavior even exist anymore. It's a sad cry for attention and clout. The points you made at the end were all really true.
I'm an Asian and I've done a lot of dumb things that can be considered offensive by gen z . It was for fun. I'm sure most of the people did many dumb things in their life atleast one time...
Honestly, I'm really getting tired of cancel culture. It started from a genuine place of educating the public. Now it's getting increasingly annoying. People grow & evolve over time & we need to allow people to be able to learn from their mistakes & not cancel them. Her heart's in the right place but she's going about this in the wrong way.
I would disagree about her heart being in the right place. If this is part of a whole series where the focus is trying to dunk on people for shit they said 30 years ago, for no other reason than likes, follows, and virtue signaling, that is what you call bad faith.
It’s a different variety of stupid tribalism.
It comes from communism... It's never had a Good motive... Political correctness is evil
I actually don't think this means "cancel culture " is growing. I think we pay too much attention to one or 2 viral tweets these days. Most millennials I think are growing out of that way of thinking nowadays
How come cancel culture never targets rap or stuff? Rap is incredibly sexist. Yet. You never see it.
“Have a bunch of 60+ year olds done problematic things in the past?” Yes and so have your parents go cancel them
Also she looks like she had nothing been to do than be mad at the world
She spends more time in class going on tiktok rather than doing homework
@@domchan3578 and spend precious time on eye makeup
every time something gets a spike in popularity, the zoomer tik tokers come out of the woodwork and start digging for dirt so they can get attention.
@@gkezele I gathered that by the end. My initial comment was a minute in lol I just found it so ridiculous I didn’t want to finish the video before I commented
"A band full of white men" I think I know what her real issue is.
Kirk is philipino (half at least)
@@justsomedude5727 as a Filipino, he is but not too Filipino. But yeah. He's more American tho.
Robert also isn’t white. He’s Mexican and Native.
Robert and Kirk arent Even white
@@lenchenes so his ETHNICITY is Philippino and his NATIONALITY is American.
11:27 - as a fan of both bands, I remember seeing this footage more than 10 years ago. For those that don’t know, AIC was supposed to open on this tour for Metallica, and days before the tour kicked off, AIC backed out citing “differences”. In the moment, this was an angry, likely drunk James communicating why AIC wasn’t on the tour, and doing so in a very inconsiderate way. AIC ended up being replaced by Candlebox.
Also, consider that James was friends with Jerry Cantrell (AIC guitarist/vocalist), and probably didn’t feel very sympathetic towards Layne since even Jerry was pissed about his band backing out of the tour. You can find footage online they documents the complexity AIC felt during this time, when they had a close friend that they cared for, that was struggling with addiction, and the fact that hey had to cancel yet another tour as they are trying to establish the band.
James was disrespectful in this footage towards Layne, but it was likely James expressing his frustration outwardly, and feeling justified since Layne’s closest friends were feeling the same way.
12:58 "Why should anyone want to change if they're never forgiven for saying dumb shit in the past" YES FINN YES HIT THE HAMMER RIGHT ON THE NAIL WITH THAT ONE THANK YOU!
What sucks about this is how someone can make valid points, yet twist them into something completely unproductive. I'm not going to excuse Metallica's actions, but her motives seem rather "clout chassy." It's hard to move toward reform or improvement with that mindset. I doubt James is the same person he was years ago
Totally agree
She’s trying to cancel them
Metallica was clearly joking and being the silly drunken metalheads they are. I'm not going to make excuses for their behavior because there's no reason to. It was obviously a joke and you're soft as s*** if you have a problem with it.
@@FinnMckentyPRMBA Yeah, they've had so much 💩 thrown at them for 40+ years but never backed down, and they sure AF ain't backing down now either! 🤘🦁🤘
Clout chassy like creating a whole mocking video of a single person on tiktok with 40k followers and giving it a click bait rage title like "METALLICA CANCELED"?
If I close my eyes and imagine a girl going online and trying to cancel everyone, she looks EXACTLY like this. Her destiny was written on the stone.
Every fuck*ng time... My thoughts exactly. Need to cancel some of your poor dietary choices
@@M4ST3R3Z she needs to cancel McDonald’s lmao
Hey man. I'm with you in this. 😂
She can't get laid
If 1 stone is about 6kg (some 15pounds) she's definitely more than 1 stone!
Great Video! Really great things to point out and observed. The Layne Staley incident happened in 1994 when Alice Opted not to tour with Metallica due to Layne's drug addiction. Metallica took it personally and shouldn't have done what they did. And they did learn from it. Metallica where sitting at the Alice MTV unplugged concert. And addition to it, after Layne Passed, his life drew inspiration for Death Magnetic. And James has performed Would? With Alice in the passed.
"Save your outrage for things that actually matter." This should be on a t-shirt.
Bad faith cancelling of people is absolutely counterproductive. We are already in the post-consequence era of cancel culture.
I know people who have been saying for over a year that the right response to getting cancelled is “Don’t reply and it will disappear in a week.”
And they’re 100% correct.
People have short attention spans 😂 they need to move on to witch hunt the next victim
Unfortunately that's not true. People lose their jobs, they lose contracts, they lose sponsors and deals. All because someone's feelings got hurt. You can't ignore that.
@@LiIPissBaby Metallica can though.
Unless your notoriety revolves around saying dumb shit and that's the main attraction from your community, then yeah.
@@aaalltcringeieeettaaalltcr1491 smaller bands aren't so lucky however.
I think you encapsulated the real crux of the problem with cancel culture: why should anyone want to change if they're never forgiven for doing dumb s**t in the past?
Boom
who says hes sorry for doing any of that dumb shit in the past? can you find a Kroq interview of them talking about these things done?
@@braysthedead9547 exactly. Everyone here (Finn included apparently) is assuming that since he is older he is also wiser and has changed his views. I fail to remember when that happened. Does that make me dislike his music? No. But the army of disgruntled Metallica fanboys attacking the girl aren't really providing much evidence to convince me he is now a better human being than 20 years ago.
@@OldSchoolMetalVinyl dude, if all you can find is shit from 20 or 30 years ago, you can assume safely that someone changed their behavior. or you can just tell yourself that they're secretly hitler, but that's your problem.
@@OldSchoolMetalVinyl and also 20 years is also about time he spent something about the year on rehab and therapy. people change after those things drastically, for better.
The use of the word “oriental” being offensive is still a relatively new concept to people now, let alone two or three decades ago. Hell, it wasn’t until like 2016 that the government stopped using it in federal bills as a descriptor for people of Asian descent.
She sounds completely uninformed and unaware that social cultures change with the times. My guess is she couldn’t understand why this “boomer band” was getting so much attention off of her favorite show, so she googled “Metallica racist” to start some shit.
LMAO when finn said “don’t fight fire with fire” i immediately thought of metallica’s song “fight fire with fire”
A bit of context for the Nazi march on stage. Metallica was playing in Berlin that night and the song they were on was Am I Evil?, a commentary on nazism and facism. Jason was marching around on stage as a form of mockery towards nazism and facism
If that's true, then this comment should be pinned.
No it was actually in Moscow Russia
Jason was doing the goose step while they were playing Am I Evil? To anyone with congitive function, this is him implying that Nazis are in fact, evil.
Especially because he did it in Soviet Russia as well. You can tell it was done to mock and criticize Nazi Germany and the fascism of the Soviet Union.
Perhaps instead of making pretentious tikktoks attempting to derail peoples career for some innaprorpiate humor they engaged in 30 years ago or being offended by literally everything ever solely to try to get views, she should consider going to the gym / getting ona diet. not tht i even like metallica, im just suggesting a more productive activity idk
"All of us have said and done things we wish we didn't."
Truer words have never been spoken.
Imagine your entire online personality being centered around canceling people for things they said decades ago
welcome to the internet
The people ranting about "cancel culture" 24/7 are 10x bigger crybabies than the people trying to "cancel" everything 😆
Imagine defending fucking Metallica.
@@fclefjefff4041 gotta hinder it somehow
@@fclefjefff4041 because anyone could lose their livelihood over being canceled over the most asinine things. Thats scary. People who don't see it as a problem are the ones who are complicit.
Poor girl, I wouldnt want to be in her shoes after putting out content like this and being somewhat viral. The internet can be a pretty cruel place and I don't think someone who does this kind of content is doing well in the first place
''Poor girl'' nah she tried with the whole THEY WHITE guilt-trip: if you try to shame people based on race, then you can't complain at getting shamed yourself - if you dish shit out you have to be ready to take it
Can’t take shit, don’t sling shit.
@@Dram1984 true, but a fight against the internet is pretty lopsided. Even though she achieved her apparent goal of attention, she'll take the L on this one.
It's laughable that this is even being discussed. The PMRC tried the same thing back in the 80's and lost. Bands and other artists have rights to the freedom of expression and trying to take that away is utterly ridiculous.
Besides why the hell would you try and find out what Metallica have done wrong. When you should look at what they have done right.
I'm all for holding people accountable, especially when they're famous and influential, but yeah I'm with you Finn. It was a different world back then, hell even when I was in middle school 15 years ago my friends and I casually used certain words that are definitely not acceptable today. These guys seem a lot better now than what they appeared to be back in the early 90s.
Because you are white and it did not affect you.
James allegedly said he didn't want to share a stage with a (African-American racial slur)? If this dum-dum had done her due research, Metallica had a black guitarist named Lloyd Grant who appeared on their first recording. Furthermore, their lead guitarist of 39 years is of Filipino descent and their current bassist is Mexican-American. (Also, the accusation came fron Axl Rose who ALSO got into hot water over using the same ethnic slur in the Guns 'n' Roses song "One In A Million".)
The last portion of this video is so true. I see James Hetfield saying that dumb shit and I say “wow, sounds like kind of an asshole” and move on with my day. Life’s too short to worry about which artists I enjoy said offensive shit at some point.
I agree but nothing says James has changed. He is the only white America in the band
@@hieinh and how would you know? Do you know James personally? 🤔
Very cool how you took this piece by piece and reacted honestly to each part. Well done sir. 🤘🏻❤️
As a long time Metallica fan, I did not know these events occurred, and to be honest I do believe that we do need to be aware of people mistakes in the past, even if they were long ago. I really relate to your comment on how if we keep cancelling/bullying people for shit they did 30-40 years ago, people then have no incentive to change. I am still a Metallica fan and think they should not be cancelled/punished for what happened, as long as they do not do it again. But part of me is glad that I now know what happened in the past and that my teen idols had a dark side.
Oh stop it... It is what it is... Long time fan probably means load album 😂 it's humor, don't like it don't watch it simple
She calls out every artist that is in the media attention at the moment, so definitely is looking for cloud and attention
Nah that's just what the woke do it's a social justice cause to eliminate discrimination in any form they are legit but they are also lost
I too like to look for clouds 😅
'clout' , forgive me for being an ass.
Imagine if tiktok found about the rest of bands in the 70s, 80s and 90s
You have a solid way to look at things. Thank you for showing how it should be done.
I've said it before, I'll say it again, and I can see it in the comments below too, but your perspective and attitude is something I find really refreshing! Your content is always super respectful, and your promoting a healthy way of thinking about social issues that I believe a lot of people will benefit from.
Actually the fact that Newsted had the balls to do a salute and march like that while being on a stage in Moscow during like the hight of the cold war and soviet tyranny is pretty dang cool
Coming from a 28 year old American.. Young Americans don't know what actual hardship is. Sure many may have grew up in a not so ideal homelife but at the end of the day they were always better off than someone from say a 3rd world country. We grow up with nothing to worry about and this is why you have people just making up their own problems to complain about. Like honestly get a job and focus on your self instead of "deep diving" into Metallica with the hopes of getting likes.
Appreciate you Finn ! Thanks for the good content as always, and hope life has been stellar for you
I think it was a mistake giving this girl more exposure.
This video highlights how 'cancel culture' has become a sport of sorts amongst the younger generation. Self entitled, immature people trying to spoil things they're not actually interested in simply for their own 'clout'. Its a sad trend
The biggest problem with things like these are that people fold for it, and thereby legitimize a manipulative guilt-tripping culture where you de facto can control others by being ''offended''
I mean, they used to refer to themselves as "Alcoholica" throughout the 80s and 90s so it's clear that they were really immature. The fact that she doesn't bring up any recent instances of questionable behavior is telling, as well as her failure to do some basic fact-checking on the band itself.
She wasn't around in 1986 but Twinkies were.. she's got trusted information sources
Man, I love your stuff! Keep on keeping on!
not saying it means they aren't racist... but it is interesting that Metallica's first lead guitar player was a black guy
7:08 Oh gosh, Jason is doing an "evil walk" during a song called "Am I Evil".
13:00 Finn you spit some truth here! Great points across the board really. One of your better takes, good work!
I wish everyone could look at things like this with your level of mature nuance. Wonderful job, Finn.
You’ve hit the nail on the head, this stuff is almost always about attention. She’s trying to make herself look good by making others look bad. Are we still allowed to use the term ‘virtue signalling?’ I guess that’s problematic too.
Thats what it is so just call it that.
Sorry, the term 'virtue signalling' has been cancelled
She could literally be doing it just to impress some guy from high school, no joke. It’s crazy the power and collateral damage, small people can have, in this tik tok culture we live in.
Im usually against that term being thrown around, but this case is a textbook example of virtue signalling.
Are these cancellers motivated by good intentions? No, I think they have an internal addiction to outrage, drama and anger. She comes off as an unhappy person. Many of these young tiktok stars do.
After this, next ep of is your fave problematic: Finn McKenty
Finn is so well spoken its hard for me to believe that he claims he was basically an asshole when he was younger.
You always make the best points. Great work man
The only problematic person here seems to be her… kind of like that situation if everyone hates you or has a problem with you, look in the mirror because it might not be them, it could be you.
It's much easier to try and "correct" others than fix your own shit.
By the way, she is rocking the Eye of Horus eye makeup. THE NERVE. She doesnt look like an Egyptian pharaoh to me. Cancel this carbon-based life form ASAP.
Iron Crosses were a big old school "Hot Rod" thing forever too(also explains the racing stripe on the same guitar). Het's a big hot rod guy.
I recall some years ago hearing Ice T in an interview with Jason Ellis (who is a huge Metallica fan) on SiriusXM mention that he was stoked for the time on the tour in Bodycount with GnR and Metallica? So not sure if Bodycount really were removed from the tour when Ice T himself was in an interview saying he needed to keep up tour shape along with Axl and James cardio for how Ice ran up and down a stage set-up..... sounds like the story of someone that was kicked off a tour...?
Being Latino myself, saying things like "considering they're white" and saying that's why they're racist, I consider that statement itself to be incredibly racist. If she was actually not racist herself, she wouldn't be constantly (and incorrectly) calling out their skin color. What was that phrase some dude said? Something about not judging people by the color of their skin but on the content of their character? I think he might've been on to something there.
(And, yes, you can be racist against white people, which she clearly is from her statements in this video.)
That being said, the past is the past. Time moves forward and we change and grow. I don't care what you said or did ten, twenty years ago. It only matters what you do now and in the future.
Behaviour issue here. And the classic "who can I shove aside to make room for me and my people".
And their guitarist Kirk is mixed race, half of him is Filipino.
I don't think she is racist against white people it's white people being the superior race at least in the western world being why she feels justified in any white person she perceives as racist so again I think for a second she hates all white people she just feels confident that racist white people still exist which is true
@@atvena I see you're point, but her saying (paraphrasing) "Considering they're white, there's definitely more racist actions from them" seemingly implies that if they were any other ethnicity that we can disregard what she showed. Like, if they're white "let's hunt them down," if they're brown "oh, they just made a mistake."
And, as stated, two of the current members aren't white.
@@ecoRfan And their bassist is Hispanic.
I remember being at parties with metal dudes in high school where people would drunkenly do nazi salutes and yell "Zeig heil" etc thinking it was funny. These days a lot of those same people are all BLM and LGBTQ friendly. People change. Unfortunately mean-spirited humor has long been tethered to the metal scene, but it seems to be getting better.
We have all done bad things or said stupid stuff. Hopefully they have grown as people.I was definitely different 20 years ago. Thanks for covering this video.
Only thing I agree with her with is the making fun of Layne Staley part. Kinda made me not like them as people.
this might be the laziest form of activism imaginable
This is where gatekeepers come in handy.
Well done! Rather than "cancelling" particular individuals (James and Lars in this instance, but also in general) a much more interesting and productive discussion could be around culture itself. American culture in the 80-00's was just less informed and more ignorant regarding the experience of marginalized groups (that is, after all, a function of their marginalization). And in terms of thrash metal culture, what is interesting to understand is how so many found themselves drawn to the music and culture, on the one hand, because of feeling out of place yet, on the other hand, the "edginess" in the music sometimes, perhaps often, was expressed in behaviors that we can look back at through our 2022 hindsight as problematic while also remembering that it was "normal" behavior for that time and place (not an excuse for it but, rather, the necessary context to make sense of it). The question is, how do we move forward as a culture. I think communication and openness, something Metallica has to a large degree reckoned with, is key. We all make mistakes and say or do things that we may look back at and cringe - and we can all grow and learn from our past.
"If I missed anything, please, please, let me know!" How? She literally took away the ability for people to comment and discuss the video.
This has the be the single most pathetic cancellation attempt of all time. They went back literal decades. That said don’t harass her. Harassment is uncool af.
Thank you for saying this, many people don’t think about the consequences of harassment and they just go around bullying these random kids
@@sickfitz4256 I did edit my comment as I often forget to put that. Harassment is uncool. If it’s something worthy of criticism, go criticise them all you want. Just don’t actually insult them. Insult what they are doing rather then the person themself.
But we can laugh at how dumb this is right???
@@XxxAshHazardxxX as long as you don’t insult her, I’m chill with it. It’s a stupid attempt. Then again, she’s looking for attention and it’s the worst possible thing to do by insulting or criticising her as you are giving her attention.
When you wish for rain prepare to deal with the mud too
The Layne Staley thing, there is probably more to that than just what she showed. Keep in mind, AiC and Metallica were buddies (remember they were there for the AiC Unplugged, and AiC were trolling them for getting haircuts and the like).
Its not like Jerry wasn't pissed they couldn't tour with Metallica, cause he was, because his addict frontman couldn't put down the needle.
Great video!
I appreciate your commentary on this, very "level-headed"
Thanks for providing a reasonable and balanced take on this situation. I agree on all fronts.
They didn't make the joke of Layne after he died...it happened in 1994 after Alice in Chains had to do cancel their show with Metallica on a short notice as Layne was out of shape due to drug issues. That doesn't justify what they did, but they would never make fun of him ODed and died...they were actually a big fans of AIC.
I think a lot of these very young idiots that "call out" these older stars for things and situations are not able to see anything in context, either cultural context for the time that they were said in, or the situation itself.
appreciatete the clarity
They did make fun of Kurt killing himself though.
Which is really bad lol.
If she thinks Metallica is bad, wait till she hears about the rock songs that talk about grooming minors (Chuck Berry, Ted Nugent, The Police, etc).
Don’t know about the others, but Ted Nugent straight up did it. He’s a gross dude.
Right
Winger
"it's so hard to think. It's so hard to change. When the world doesn't see you any other way." Have heart
Excellent video, great arguments.
So the same guy that wrote "one in a million" is accusing James of being racist.....sounds credible to me.
Every human being who has ever lived is problematic to some degree. We all have cancel worthy moments.
what you say nigga
That’s the point. If everyone is guilty it’s easy to wield power over them because they’re all afraid of hammer dropping.
Some evidence of growth in Metallica, especially pertaining to their past digs at Layne Staley, is their incredibly intimate acoustic tribute performance of Would? for the MoPOP Founders Award 2020. Unless it was just an act, I could feel the sincerity oozing from all of them.
The problem is James Hetfield doesn't acknowledge any of his hate in the past as problematic. He could come out say yeah I did all that when I was young and dumb but I don't endorse any of that now. But he doesn't do that which is basically doubling down on it.
I was a teenager in the 80's and behaved a lot lot James back then in part because my idols were doing it. I condemn my behavior of that time and he should too.
do you remember when the kids on tiktok tried to cancel Eminem for his homophobic stuff a year or two ago? That was a sad day, haven't seen Eminem since....
wait actually he's still a platinum artist and wasn't affected at all.
Finn for sure needs a daily show style show
Punk soup ya know
Punk time with Finn Maher
James is/was also a crippling alcoholic. Especially at this time. It doesn't mean what he did was right or forgivable but it is a way to understand him more.
He talked about it in a Joe Rogan podcast. Now he seems relatively clean. Especially while he was living in the Bay Area.
Im 30 im not the same person i was 5 or 10 years ago we change our oppinions and our mindsets over the years, society changes. I can only imagine how somebody has changed over 30 and 40 years.
I can’t imagine a world where the boys can’t razz on each other like James and kirk did in the video. Her friendships must be so absent of humor and lifeless.
It really didn’t even seem like kirk was that irritated by james dumb jokes seemed like kirk was just being a goofball himself 😂
I guess I’m old in internet terms (30) but do kids nowadays not just make fun of each other constantly? I feel like the majority of my interactions with friends is banter and friendly teasing
@@phaaaze9984 I’m 20 and my friend group when we meet up too hang out, we would attack the hell out of each other for no reason anytime anywhere basically. But it’s all in good fun of course.
Considering Metallica has been one of my favorite bands for almost 20 years my opinion is going to be biased, but it seems pretty unfair to dig up all of this stuff from more than 20 years ago and judge it by the standards of today. Yeah most of this stuff never should have been acceptable in the first place but the reality is that it was much more acceptable back then, especially when you're a young successful rockstar trying to be edgy and cool. Even back when I was a teenager in the mid 2000s we made racist and offensive jokes all the time because we thought it was funny and we were trying to be edgy. Most of us weren't legitimately racist, we just thought it was funny to try get a reaction out of people. We've also grown up since and realized that shit wasn't cool and how much of a problem it can be.
When you refuse to let people move past the shitty things they did when they were young, you refuse to let them learn and grow as people.
Absolutely on point. Back in the 90s, "gay" was used as a general disparaging term, other homophobic & racist terms were also commonly accepted with no callouts whatsoever. I was guilty of it myself and I'll be the first to admit it. That said, I've identified as a queer nonbinary person for over a decade now, so if people aren't allowed to change I guess I should just cancel myself?
Idk the ice t one is bad if true. Thats an action that affected someone.
They are trying to turn our whole way of life based on todays standards. We need to do away with the constitution because it was written by slave owners. They don't care how progressive the constitution truly was. And even a black man in the day that was a former slave talked about how great the constitution was because the words if actually adhered to are truly progressive.
@@alvatrous it's coming from Axel Rose though...major grain of salt should be taken with that info.
@@alvatrous That one is pretty bad if true but who knows if it actually is.
I was at the Keene, NH show. Third show in three nights. The Cobain joke came at an odd time after Jason Newsted lost feeling in his arms and thought he was dying. Turned out to be a panic attack. They played two songs without bass (no, not strictly Justice stuff). He told the Cobain joke and even at the time, it felt too soon but at the same time they were filling time. They didn't know what was happening with their bass player.
Jason came back out and sang without playing bass .
At that time, James was a known alcoholic. I'm not making excuses by any means, but in the moment and drunk, we all say shit.
And yeah, sometimes drunk truth is your truth
The funny thing about cancel culture is the people doing the canceling don’t seem to realize that they’re turn will eventually come. No one is perfect. Everyone has done something at one time or another that if not now, it can in the future become problematic. Things change. What’s ok today (or not so ok) can be detrimental later on. People change and grow up. When I hear about this kind of stuff I don’t think twice about it. I look at how the individuals are now.
To my fellow Metallica fans out there, was anyone finding it weird of all the problematic things she talked the band did 20+ years ago she omitted how the band mistreated Jason Newstead for years?
No, because she doesn't know shit about shit, so she knows nothing about that. Besides, it's all in the past, and they all grew from it. Metallica fans should get over it.
She can't tie it to current-year identity-politics easily so no, not surprising. Cobains suicide can at least be connected to mental health issues.
Frankly I think James and Lars come off as pscyhopathic narcisssistcs (past and present) and the Kurt Cobain joke is just in line with that. With that said, I don't think extreme edgelord humor is morally wrong.
Obviously people should not go out of their way to directly be mean to someone (unless they started shit), if you're talking to a gay person then don't start making a bunch of gay jokes etc. But as for people just having and expressiing a sense of humor in general though, anything can be offensive to anyone. If jokes in themselves are ''wrong'' based on offense and groups being ''targets'', then there'd be no humor. Everyone's got an offensive humor to someone elses standard.
Also people don't owe it to adapt to your (''you'' in general not ''you'' specfically UWU) subjective feeling of ''too offensive'' humor, that's a level of social control you don't deserve,
and it opens up for a manipulative guilt-tripping culture where you de facto can control others by being ''offended''.
No cuz , she talking about the past that happened 40 years ago , she recently posted another video , she digged way to deep for clout lol. Sorry but not sorry. That girl got major issues.
When was Metallica not popular? Maybe the Napster era, but that's about it.
Of course she missed that. She's a poser. Clinging on to the greatness that is METAL (\m/) for attention. If Metallica wasn't on Stranger Things she wouldn't know who they were.
Apparently, every Asian person in my area is racist because one family opened "The Oriental Market" and all shop there... Who knew...
I'm not aware of Oriental being used as a slur. Also, the goose-step finger mustache thing is generally used as a mockery, I mean John Cleese did the same thing in an episode of Fawlty Towers, and that was aimed squarely at people who can't let the past lie and move on.
Great response!
I do feel a bit bad for being angry in some of my previous comments on other videos about the topic, I do really hope the girl can learn from this
Awesome video Finn. I like that you didn’t just dismiss everything she brought up or go down the typical knee-jerk response route of calling her a pansy or snowflake or something. You acknowledged that a lot of what she brought up was bad, while still making a very important distinction between cringy edgelords who did and said stupid things back in the day with people who are genuinely problematic and remorseless and who need to be taken down. I also like how you pointed out that by treating every sin as an unforgivable offense, we’re making it harder, not easier, to hold actually dangerous people to account. It’s the boy who cried wolf.
I think society needs to balance its ability to eject people from the public’s good graces, with both nuance (meaning let’s take the passage of time into account and not just assume that nobody ever grows up) and just as importantly, a forgiveness mechanism. There needs to be a way back into the public’s favor and there isn’t one. I lean pretty left politically but one thing I absolutely despise is people’s tendency (especially on my side of the aisle but not exclusively) to demand an apology and then automatically say “they’re not sorry, they’re just sorry they got caught!” Well that’s bullshit. Sometimes people are just sorry they got caught, but sometimes they actually did learn their lesson, feel bad and want to make it right. People definitely feel remorse, grow, change. It’s so scary and unhealthy to dismiss that and it begs the question, why demand an apology at all if you never had any intention of accepting it? We all need forgiveness and nobody is perfect. Some of the people who deserve forgiveness the least are the ones who refuse to forgive other people.
Well said
I remember a lot of this behavior from back in the day, and when I step back and look at it, they seemed to really become jerks after Cliff's death. Who knows, maybe they were just dealing with it.
Jason and the goose-stepping thing. He always seemed to specifically do it during the intro of "Am I Evil?" So, who knows, maybe it was his way of showing ultimate evil
We all know Kerry King is a big mouth, and a blow hard, and who knows, he might've been wearing that shirt just to piss people off. However she failed to acknowledge Kirk and Rob for not being white though, she didn't realize that Kerry's singer is Chilean, and his drummer is Cuban.
I know I'm stretching here, but this kid was tearing people down for attention, and as Fin said, she's probably going to feel like a dope one day because of these videos
I believe the Am I Evil beat or intro has some sort of tie in to Nazi history if I recall correctly...
Dave is a badass drummer
@@DJZouain1 yes. Thats what the song is about. Jason did it super tounge in cheek
What’s so funny Kerry King is openly Anti-Trump but I guess she likes to cherry-pick just so she can get that click-bait money.
Here’s a video of her being a hypocrite-
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I keep hearing "Let it go" or "Just ignore it" and I can't help but think that is a problem as well. I'm not sure people should know anything about the artist. The more the public knows about the artist, the less they seem to care about the art.
I agree that just ignoring it is a problem. In my opinion talking about it is important and it shows the growth of the band over time. Metallica aren't drunk assholes anymore and we should be proud of that. As for "the less we know the better," I agree somewhat. The mystery of some artists can be pretty cool, but when it comes to knowing if an artist is an asshole, I think that should be something the public should know.
@@layne05 Fair enough.
Wow Man U really made a great point that if no one is going to let old shit go their is no reason to change… it’s that type of thinking that will actually make things. Better
We need more content like this where people, even if they're self-righteos and annoying are respected and get heard. Even if whats she's doing isn't great in general, we learned a bunch of stuff about metallica that most people dont know about. Things you dont get to know if you're get immideatly triggered and yelling "dis cancel culturr me angry". Respect for talking about this content in such a mature way!
Agreed
Meh…
Why should we respect her if she doesn’t respect us screw this sensitive generation
I've been living in China for more than a decade and can assure you that "oriental" is not a racist word. I'd never even heard that it was considered racist until a few years ago when a European girl lashed out at my for using it (don't remember the context). In Shanghai, we have Oriental Pearl Tower and Oriental Sports Stadium... those were named by Chinese.
No no no you don’t understand. You don’t have to be offended, other races will be offended for you because apparently they know what’s better for you. Just crazy people getting platforms to do crazy things.
My understanding is that calling items "oriental" is at worst a bit cringy but the more offensive part is calling a person "oriental".
@@HessianHunter the term comes from the belief that humanity came from or "orientated" in Asia. It's not racist at all. I'm not sure if it's true that all people started in Asia but either way I don't see how it's racist or cringy
@@JustTheTip556 That's some creative etymology but I don't think it's accurate. "Orient" in Latin means "to rise" and is associated with the Sun and therefore the direction of East and therefore the continent of Asia from a European perspective. So "the Orient" is just a fancy way of saying "the East".
It's not particularly relevant though because etymology isn't always a good way to determine if terms are fairly considered offensive or not. Consider the romance language root word for "black" and the various names for dark skinned people that have been created from it. There's nothing wrong with the Spanish word written in a black Crayon but there sure is something wrong with another word with common etymology thanks to its historical context. There are many other examples of offensive words having etymologies from banal sources. Insults are context-dependent, after all. It's quite a different thing to call someone "Pakistani" than to call them "a Paki". I could go on but hopefully you get my point.
Well said Finn!
Commenting for the algorithm 😊
I love Axel Rose being used as a source. Bit of a tangent but I always thought 'One in a million' was a satirical look at small town America (I'm not American), from various comments I've seen relating to this story I'm assuming it wasn't? We used to belt it out the car windows when we were teenagers!
This one had me thinking... when people try to cancel things I don't like, I'm generally okay. I can't think of any specific examples since I don't let it take up much time in my head, but there have been times when I thought yeah, they deserve it. But now, something I like, I enjoy Metallica, I feel like this person needs to shut up. And she does. But what she has done, has made me rethink past times where I would have supported someone being cancelled when I didn't like them to begin with. I understand when companies drop someone because of the possible bad PR when they do something stupid, makes sense when if affects their bottom line, but trying to organize people to make it happen is horrible. ESPECIALLY when the problem you have if something someone did decades ago. Like Finn said, you need to let people change. Some of these examples of what Metallica said are horrible (I was mostly bothered by the Kurt Cobain one, that a jerk thing so say Hetfield but I still like you), but who has not said something horrible and immature at some point? The people I like the most are actually people who have some horrible things but have admitted it, made changes and have become a better person. I love a good redemption arc, in real life or fiction.
Shouldn't be ok with the vocal minority trying to cancel anything.
I'm grossed out by the cancellation of anyone in America. There's plenty of people who I disagree with and dislike but I'd never be in agreement with banning them from sm, trying to get their speaking gigs/concerts shut down, etc. There's plenty of people who I hate their beliefs but I would fight with everything to protect their right to say their dumbass bs.
James has grown a lot as a person.
Based take
We've all done bad things. We will all do bad things. But also we need to get back to joking about bad things. Joking about something awful isn't an endorsement of awful behavior. It allows us to laugh at the terrible things that happen in our lives, which is incredibly therapeutic.
I like how she just assumes your position about racism is simply identifiable by who you vote for and whether or not you are vocal about it. Racism is very complicated in our world and in America both sides of mainstream politics can make valid arguments about the racism of the other. Such a simplistic un nuanced take.
You can sum it up in a quote from Knight's Tale: "A man can change his stars." People can change, and Cancel Culture isn't giving people that opportunity to do so.