Indeed, If one waits for motivation to do things, whenever you get motivation you will not bee good enough at doing it and will further demotivate you. If on the flip side, you do it despite motivation, when motivation comes you will have enough experience to use motivation to its full potential and therefore will motivate you even further.
@Has Goodles True, as an ENTP I am all for tricking and experimenting with my own brain. And I have several tricks to make myself do things. But true motivation can't be tricked, I mean you can be more motivated, but when true motivation is different. But sometimes it comes after you have been doing it for a while, so if you just wait for it to come as the video says it might never come.
Lindsay, your lead Ni is showing! I don't mean that as a criticism by any means, but lead Ni does tend to set well-defined goals (having a successful UA-cam channel, getting in shape, etc.). So it makes sense for an INTJ that the goal is already there, and it's "just" a matter of working out what actions should be performed to move toward the goal.
@@InternetLiJo On the other hand, sticking to goals and keeping projects moving forward is something that INTJs are generally acknowledged to be really good at. So probably something that the rest of us would do well to emulate, although we will find it more challenging.
Oh, this is refreshing. Kind of like staying disciplined. Motivation is a feeling, and feelings are fickle. They fade! Discipline will get you through hard times. Thanks for keeping us all on track :) 👊
Right on sista! "Nothing in this world can take the place of persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful men with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent. The slogan Press On! has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race." (Calvin Coolidge) ...and I would add to that, "...motivation will not."
Sometimes it is a bit hard for me to start working on something, unless I have to do it immediately. But when I'm in the middle of doing it, I find it fascinating and wanting to continue until I accomplish something or make a progress. I love being productive, but a bit easily distracted 😂
I always knew about "don't wait for motivation, just do the thing" but you put it in such a concrete way it's hilarious I think it will really stick with me
I think part of the issue is interpretations of the word "motivation." When it comes to having "no motivation," it's not as simple as sitting at traffic lights, with a full tank of gas, and waiting for the light to go green. The tank is empty. There are no signs remaining that there ever was any fuel. The tank may not even exist anymore. Did it ever? You said about wanting things, and sure, I can go ahead and say all the things I should want, all the things that logically make sense for me to want, but there isn't a real want there. And yes, it's possible to still do things even then, but it is taxing, and can just breed outright resentment for doing those things at all, resulting in being motivated to specifically NOT do those things. That mentality sort of stacks with itself, due to constantly hearing how "you should do this," over and over, with terrible reasoning that seems to be repeated, purely because everyone else is saying it. When you're someone who asks as little from the world as possible, and the world has endless demands... I can't think of a way in which to express it in in which I'm satisfied but, Exhausting. Frustrating. Infuriating. Fade to apathy.
I feel this a lot. I have a terrible habit of questioning the whole idea of something, and starting from scratch. So “exercise daily” doesn’t work out for various reasons, and I uproot the entire concept of exercise... our ancestors never “exercised”, and we weren’t designed to sit in houses/offices all day with bad lighting and then pay to spend an hour using machines and classes in bad lighting...what is exercise anyways? Why do we bother? If I get fresh air and sunshine, and am intentional to design a lifestyle which incorporates frequent movement, then I won’t be trying to force myself to go to the gym! I also think motivation is only part of the picture. If there is depression, or chronic pain or fatigue, or constant life stress, then motivation isn’t going to cut it.
Wow. WOW. I LOVE this. And, you really called me out. I'm an ENTP and I run my entire life on motivation, or as I call it, "inspiration." I only do what I am inspired to do. And I never force myself to work against my inspiration. My entire lifestyle is to just let my inspiration lead all my actions. And I've made it so that I'm always inspired to do what I want to do, by making what I want to do be what I am inspired to do. They're the same thing to me. And that's how I live my life. Consequently, I'm chaotic, unreliable, and scattered, but, I do get A LOT done... a lot of wildly different and unrelated things. Anyway, I really like your Gold Finch analogy a lot. I have my own analogy that's very similar and here it is: Imagine you live in a beautiful house on an island in the arctic. All around your island, there are tons of little islands within a 30 mile radius. Traveling to one of those islands and back is the equivalent of doing a project. Now, you own a speedboat... however, it's an electric self-driving speedboat designed by Tesla; if you type the coordinates of your destination in, it drives you there. Unfortunately though, it only allows you to enter the coordinates to 1 random location per week. And, the location you're allowed to go to is almost never the location you want--or are being asked--to go. Now, say you want to go to Seal Puppy island which is just 20 miles away. So, you type the coordinates into the Speedboats computer... but the speedboat won't accept that (not inspired). Oh no! Now if you want to go to Seal Puppy Island you'll have to swim 20 miles through choppy, freezing cold Arctic waters. That will be a very difficult experience. And to make matters worse, the speed boat would otherwise allow you to go to Monkey Monkey Island, like it's taunting you. But, what If you just went to Monkey Monkey island on the speedboat instead of swimming 20 miles to get to Seal Puppy island? What if you just let the speedboat decide where you go? I mean, maybe Monkey Monkey island has cool stuff that you don't even know about. Well, that speedboat analogy describes exactly how I live my life, and how my brain works. It's similar to your Gold Finch analogy. However, the only difference is that my speedboat analogy more strongly emphasizes how difficult getting a project done without inspiration is (having to swim through freezing waters). Also, in my analogy, inspiration is always present (the speedboat will always take you somewhere), whereas, in your analogy, the Gold Finch (motivation) is not always there. Those are the two differences between our analogies. Anyway, my mom is an INTJ and she's just like you. And she gets frustrated by how I follow my inspiration which means I can't focus on any project long term. For example, I have this great idea for a story but I only work on it when I'm occasionally inspired, even though I know it's my best idea of all. I'll have to show my mom this video to see what she thinks. Finally, do I think completely following my inspiration, which is the opposite of what you do, is good? Well, I obviously wish I could focus on one project at will... However, following my inspiration does lead me to so many different projects that I had never even considered or imagined before, so I suppose there are some benefits. But yes, I would really like to be able to willfully focus in on one project, because I already have so many to choose from. I wish I could do both. Thanks for making this video.
I would say keep inspiration when you have it but don’t miss it when it’s gone 🙂 sounds like you have a lot of good energy channeled forward in this life.
As someone stuck in an Fi - Si loop of apathy, comfort and closely knit stuff that I enjoy. I always get bored waiting for something to come along that will fill the void, and capture my interest. I’m feeding the apathy. So this was an insightful and helpful video
Great advice. Very INTJ . I like to think we perform the right or best ways we can by rising above feelings and other obstacles. Not that we function without feelings.
THIS IS AN AMAZING VIDEO. The majority of everyday folk don't know that there are people doing things that they are NOT motivated to do. And to clarify, by not motivated, I meant it is not enjoyable/pleasant/preferred etc.
Being able to track your wins and losses is gold. If you write yourself a few things you want to get done the next day, and track if you actually do them or not, you can begin objectively tracking your progress in reality. I write my things down on a yellow legal pad. It's something external to hold me accountable.
I truly love seeing different takes on topics that can seem so simple at a glance. Yours is definitely one I'm enjoying more and more. Helps keep me in check with my logical side 😂 (--INFJ here)
I think that motivation comes naturally when you get to know enough about something particular in question. I'm also an INTJ, so I've struggled with motivation as a young boy, but, I have had it analyzed and figured out what's the key for finding motivation in anything. I have 2 friends also INTJ's so we used to talk about motivation, since one of them didn't find enough motivation to finish his engineering degree in computers.
Idk why I’m randomly going on a spree of your videos. Forgive me lol. But to this point: perspiration > inspiration. Hard work will always and forever trump the idea of “innate talent” or “divine inspiration” because where one chooses to come to you at its whim whenever it wants (and leaves you in a state of agonizing wait when it doesn’t), the other makes it so that the hard work and discipline you put into doing “whatever it is” rewards you with a result. And depending on how tenacious and hard-working you are, you’ll find that on the road of “hard-work,” “motivation, creativity, inspiration,” whatever you wanna call it, WILL meet you in the middle of the road. It just does. Maybe not right away, maybe not in the shape in which you’ve envisioned it, but it WILL come. I call it the “eureka” moment. And suddenly, you’re motivated. You just have to be okay with putting in the hard work first. Which is easier said than done.
I find it Interesting what different people are taking away from this in the comments. This definitely put my Fi into perspective though. You really don’t need it totally on board with the whole entire process to do anything. I just feel a little unsure/uneasy when it’s not around and reflexively doubt my reasons for doing a thing or assume I’m missing something and go back to Ne gathering more ideas. I’m an ENFP for context. Super helpful perspective! I smiled because I saw how silly it was when you look at it that way. Thank you!
As an ISTP, I find your INTJ vibe and mindset very easy to live with. You would be great to talk to and hang out with. Your example makes sense, it's very logical, I like it. Determination and character should usually trump feelings, when it comes to accomplishing important things.
The thing is though, when I start forcing myself to do things I'm not motivated to do I eventually always start hating my life which sets me back even more. If I don't feel like working on a passion project on most days, is it really my passion? If I don't feel like going to the gym on most days, did I ever really, honestly want to go? I find that forcing myself to do things I don't actually want to do just because I set them as goals and then feeling bad when I fail to consistently pursue them just doesn't work for me long term. It makes me miserable and then I get even less done. And that really makes things difficult with external expectations like approaching deadlines or exams. I might be a more Ni-Fi INTJ, or another type altogether, idk. The gym is the perfect example of that. Sometimes I wanted to go and enjoyed it, but most of the time it was meh. Then I tried swimming and absolutely LOVED it and couldn't wait to go again. Same thing with my various projects. When I picked the right thing to work on, I never had to force myself.
Motivation and discipline are emotions. They are somewhat negotiable and can be strengthened with specific practices. Both of them inspire, in their own ways, energy expenditure. I believe what you're trying to say with focusing on practice is turning the desired action a habit, which is a tool of our brain to decrease the energy needed to do something that it considers important for some reason. Maybe we can see it as progressively changing the unconsious wiring to rely less on conscious effort and boosts, like motivation
To sum this up: On surface you're telling people that they don't need motivation. But in reality you're telling them that they just don't need motivation from the outside world and that it is much more reliable to find a motivation inside yourself, which I agree with. Otherwise, people will struggle to find a motivation to practice ;)
There's no such thing as not having motivation. What definitely exists is Te disagreeing about what you should be motivated about. Tough luck, though, unless Se hits you into the face Ni-Fi will win so you can just as well tell Te that it just doesn't understand, that stuff will get "on track" faster if it just shuts up and waits. Thus, having stopped fighting yourself (and that's the important bit), you're finally free to stare at the clouds for a while. Watch the finch eat all that food, little bugger needs proper nourishment before you can climb on its back and fly.
What if in the times one has no motivation she is busy working on something subconsciously and does not want her subconscious work to be distracted with something else?
Sorry, LiJo. This is reeeeally long, but please read it all and say what you think about this. It might seem loony at times, but please bear with me. I'm just a guy making guesses and stating his opinion. I must disagree with your assessment. There seems to some confusion about what motivation is at a fundamental level. I believe that motivation (look at the roots of the word) is that which induces motion. When this definition is applied to motivation as it appears around humans, motivation is taken to be anything which causes humans to move. As an example, suppose that you haven't eaten in days. Hopefully that would make you feel hungry or at least a desire to stay alive and you'd decide to get some food. This desire causes you to move your body. So one would say that desire to stay alive is the motivator. It is the reason that you moved. You would not have moved to get food if you did not feel the need for food. Now where does such a desire originate? I cannot answer that. But the point is that motivation is a key ingredient to accomplishing anything. I do not suggest that it is the only thing necessary. Motivation alone does not solve anything. So then why are people saying that they lose motivation sometimes and seem to lack control of their motivation? I propose that it is because people forget about the reasons they are motivated when they become busy with other matters. Perhaps it is that different motivations in one human can cancel each other out. Imagine that you decided that you wanted chips from your pantry. This desire motivated you to walk into your pantry. But as soon as you cross the threshold of the pantry, you forget what you were going to do in the pantry. How can you continue to complete your goal if you can't remember it? This stops all progress. The desire was still there, but the object of that desire was forgotten. So motivation could not be transmitted into progress. Whenever that happens motivation is stifled. One could also compare motivation the the laws governing flow of electricity. Motivation would be the voltage. It is the electromotive force. It only causes current whenever there is a path for that current to flow. If resistance is higher than desire, then there will be no motion, even though motive still exists. How does one stay focused and prioritize their own motivations? The answer is simple. Remember your reasons and values! Or the reasons and values of those you care about or think highly of. Remember them whenever you make decisions and you will find that your natural motivation will have a pathway to flow through. Only one who is completely honest with themselves can see good results from this method. Do you suppose that anyone who wants to get in good physical condition will fail to exercise in the morning if they remember the reason they want to when deciding between that and sleeping in? Why do people who say such things sleep in? I say it is because of competing motivations. Their valued reasons are forgotten or overshadowed by the temporary feelings of drowsiness. Both the valued reasons and the temporary feelings are motivations, but one is stronger than the other. One is conducive to the desired flow of life, and the other resists it. But the resistance is in the mind. If one trains themselves to ignore the resistance (drowsiness in the example), then one can do what one truly wishes to and motivation is unhindered because the electromotive force (valued reasons) is greater than the resistance. The very world we live in is our enemy when it comes to remember our true purposes. Be careful not to live for and enslaved by the present. moment.
I hear you and I understand what you're seeing here and how you're breaking it down. I am using the desire related definition of motivation here - I covered in the dialogue the reasons and the goal already being understood. It's been my observation that many times people are very consciously aware of what they need to do, and why they need to do it. However it's the expectation to feel desire towards those reasons when doing other things may simply be more comfortable/pleasurable. Like you said, temporal feelings act as a motivation. It's the same reason people continue to smoke after knowing it will likely kill them. Yes it is all mental, and I really think it comes back to the expectation. People expecting one motivation to outweigh the other. This is why I introduced this concept as it relates to the "desire to action". If you have the goal and have the next steps, there is no reason for you to wait on feeling anything.
@@InternetLiJo Thanks for responding! And thank you for elucidating what you said in the video. I think I could probably talk about this kind of thing all day. But don't worry, that won't happen. Still, I took the time to write what I think about your response and then just sort of continued typing for some reason. Thanks for bringing up this topic. I feel like I understand this a little better now. So when you say 'waiting to feel anything,' you mean waiting for the temporary desires to pass? What you're trying to get at is that people shouldn't be allowing their current situation to affect their actions, right? A person who wants to run a marathon shouldn't expect to run downhill only and quit at the first uphill slope. So then motivation is not a goldfinch (my favorite bird btw), but rather the world and people's circumstances would be the goldfinch in your example. I say that because motivation is always present and (assuming people are conscientious enough) actions can be controlled (unlike a bird), but the circumstances and adversity which distract people from their desired outputs are unpredictable and out of control (like birds). I suppose I do agree with you on most points. Indeed, people should not expect to be glad about having to run uphill, but they should be glad when they receive a 🏅. So the motivation is drawing them to the 🏅, not the hill. This doesn't matter because they are two sides of the same coin. Advantages always go with disadvantages. And gold is always found with impurities. It is a universal principle that humans must always be motivated or they will be in the process Remembering the taste of quail is very different from actually tasting it. The actual taste is stronger. It's the same with pain. The memory is not as clear as the actual sensation. So when someone decides to take pain for a reward, the decision was made at a time when all things were equal in mind. The memory of pain and the imagined reward are felt equally in the mind and the decision is made to receive the pain for the reward because the reward is observed to be better. They made a ratio of pain to reward in their mind. But when the pain actually arrives, the person will, if they aren't careful, input the sensation they are feeling into the ratio of pain to reward without changing the expected reward's value. So then they may fool themselves into changing their decision. That is the illusion of the present moment. But if they persevere through the pain, then they receive the sensation of the reward as it becomes an actuality and then the pain is a memory. Here again, if the person is not careful, they may input the value of the reward into the original ratio and thus over estimate the benefits to cost. These illusions occur because humans are temporal beings. But if people can step outside themselves for a moment and consider everything in a perfect timeless sense, then they can keep things balanced in their mind. To sum up, Motivation is not a problem. Everyone needs motivation. The problem is bad motivations. One must make decisions when they are unbiased by their sensations and diligently pursue the course they set at the start. Beware the trick of time. Even doing this, people will always be disappointed occasionally because people are not all knowing and will not always have the proper values in their initial ratio. The fix for that is just experience. Use your own experiences and rely on the experiences others share with you whenever you begin to decide what to do. Remember your reasons (the rewards) during the execution process. Practical tips: -make a pros v. cons list of your decisions and review this list every day -talk to others who have done what you want to do -embrace the pain, sweat, and toiling because work is always rewarded (though not always in the way you expect) - ask friends to help you by being tough on you when you don't do what you wanted to. Final remark: I suppose we probably can concur about this topic. Are there any other thoughts you have about this right now? Again, thanks for the video.
Ok so i have an important question! An INTJ female just broke up with me (ENFJ male) She said i was a "deep thinker" and she grew tired of the way i viewed life so thoughtfully and conceptual. It seemed that the day to day exploration proved to be too much for her. I know that INTJ's need space but due to pandemic we communicated everyday. I thought that INTJ's were also deep thinkers though? Apparently we werent emotionally compatible. I just want to know if she was actually an ISTJ or is it really exhausting for an INTJ having that day to day exploration.
Go through the hurt of the breakup (no need to rationalize it with her possible type), it'll simply suck for a while and maybe you'll never know the true reason but it'll get better. ♥️ Take care of yourself ! -INFJ
I think you may be a little off here. Wanting to achieve a long term goal is also motivation. So, especially for Ni Types that look into the future a lot, it is even intrinsic motivation to achieve those long term goals. I think you're talking only about short term motivation, which is much more powerful for many other types (i.e. Se doms) because they do not trust that much into those patterns they see. I think that we actually won't do anything at all without motivation. You also need to be motivated to practice something and to create a habit. Si doms are much more motivated to create habits because it is intrinsically motivating for them to create those habits because they are motivated to avoid any outside chaos from happening that they can't predict. If you can't see any Ni long term goal, Te effectiveness or application, Fi value, or Se pleasure in something, you probably are not motivated in doing something. What motivates each type is actually what creates those cognitive functions right? I also think that it is more important to look for intrinsic motivation vs. external motivation. Intrinsic motivation is something you want for yourself. External motivation is doing something for money even though you don't want to do the actual stuff. You only will do as much needed to get the money. If anything more you do doesn't bring you any benefits, there is no motivation. Intrinsic motivation is much more powerful, because it runs on your motivation created by your brain wanting the actual thing itself.
But I thought that motivation was about to know for what reason you do things (have a motive (as in motivation)) I think that you're more or less speaking about passion or enthusiasm which I would understand wouldn't come every day... Discipline is freedom!!!
Indeed, If one waits for motivation to do things, whenever you get motivation you will not bee good enough at doing it and will further demotivate you. If on the flip side, you do it despite motivation, when motivation comes you will have enough experience to use motivation to its full potential and therefore will motivate you even further.
@Has Goodles True, as an ENTP I am all for tricking and experimenting with my own brain. And I have several tricks to make myself do things. But true motivation can't be tricked, I mean you can be more motivated, but when true motivation is different. But sometimes it comes after you have been doing it for a while, so if you just wait for it to come as the video says it might never come.
Lindsay, your lead Ni is showing! I don't mean that as a criticism by any means, but lead Ni does tend to set well-defined goals (having a successful UA-cam channel, getting in shape, etc.). So it makes sense for an INTJ that the goal is already there, and it's "just" a matter of working out what actions should be performed to move toward the goal.
Yeah maybe this video was a bit too savior state on my end 😬
@@InternetLiJo On the other hand, sticking to goals and keeping projects moving forward is something that INTJs are generally acknowledged to be really good at. So probably something that the rest of us would do well to emulate, although we will find it more challenging.
Maybe the opposite of motivation is determination.
I think that plays a part for sure :)
Oh, this is refreshing. Kind of like staying disciplined. Motivation is a feeling, and feelings are fickle. They fade! Discipline will get you through hard times. Thanks for keeping us all on track :) 👊
Right on sista! "Nothing in this world can take the place of persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful men with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent. The slogan Press On! has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race." (Calvin Coolidge)
...and I would add to that, "...motivation will not."
Love your INTJ mindset. :D INFJ here sister. Here to learn stuff i struggle with, and support you cuz you are fire.
thank you! 🖤
Sometimes it is a bit hard for me to start working on something, unless I have to do it immediately. But when I'm in the middle of doing it, I find it fascinating and wanting to continue until I accomplish something or make a progress. I love being productive, but a bit easily distracted 😂
I always knew about "don't wait for motivation, just do the thing" but you put it in such a concrete way it's hilarious I think it will really stick with me
Glad it hit for you!
I think part of the issue is interpretations of the word "motivation."
When it comes to having "no motivation," it's not as simple as sitting at traffic lights, with a full tank of gas, and waiting for the light to go green. The tank is empty. There are no signs remaining that there ever was any fuel. The tank may not even exist anymore. Did it ever?
You said about wanting things, and sure, I can go ahead and say all the things I should want, all the things that logically make sense for me to want, but there isn't a real want there. And yes, it's possible to still do things even then, but it is taxing, and can just breed outright resentment for doing those things at all, resulting in being motivated to specifically NOT do those things. That mentality sort of stacks with itself, due to constantly hearing how "you should do this," over and over, with terrible reasoning that seems to be repeated, purely because everyone else is saying it.
When you're someone who asks as little from the world as possible, and the world has endless demands... I can't think of a way in which to express it in in which I'm satisfied but, Exhausting. Frustrating. Infuriating.
Fade to apathy.
I feel this a lot.
I have a terrible habit of questioning the whole idea of something, and starting from scratch. So “exercise daily” doesn’t work out for various reasons, and I uproot the entire concept of exercise... our ancestors never “exercised”, and we weren’t designed to sit in houses/offices all day with bad lighting and then pay to spend an hour using machines and classes in bad lighting...what is exercise anyways? Why do we bother? If I get fresh air and sunshine, and am intentional to design a lifestyle which incorporates frequent movement, then I won’t be trying to force myself to go to the gym!
I also think motivation is only part of the picture. If there is depression, or chronic pain or fatigue, or constant life stress, then motivation isn’t going to cut it.
Wow. WOW. I LOVE this. And, you really called me out. I'm an ENTP and I run my entire life on motivation, or as I call it, "inspiration." I only do what I am inspired to do. And I never force myself to work against my inspiration. My entire lifestyle is to just let my inspiration lead all my actions. And I've made it so that I'm always inspired to do what I want to do, by making what I want to do be what I am inspired to do. They're the same thing to me. And that's how I live my life. Consequently, I'm chaotic, unreliable, and scattered, but, I do get A LOT done... a lot of wildly different and unrelated things.
Anyway, I really like your Gold Finch analogy a lot. I have my own analogy that's very similar and here it is:
Imagine you live in a beautiful house on an island in the arctic. All around your island, there are tons of little islands within a 30 mile radius. Traveling to one of those islands and back is the equivalent of doing a project. Now, you own a speedboat... however, it's an electric self-driving speedboat designed by Tesla; if you type the coordinates of your destination in, it drives you there. Unfortunately though, it only allows you to enter the coordinates to 1 random location per week. And, the location you're allowed to go to is almost never the location you want--or are being asked--to go.
Now, say you want to go to Seal Puppy island which is just 20 miles away. So, you type the coordinates into the Speedboats computer... but the speedboat won't accept that (not inspired).
Oh no! Now if you want to go to Seal Puppy Island you'll have to swim 20 miles through choppy, freezing cold Arctic waters. That will be a very difficult experience. And to make matters worse, the speed boat would otherwise allow you to go to Monkey Monkey Island, like it's taunting you. But, what If you just went to Monkey Monkey island on the speedboat instead of swimming 20 miles to get to Seal Puppy island? What if you just let the speedboat decide where you go? I mean, maybe Monkey Monkey island has cool stuff that you don't even know about.
Well, that speedboat analogy describes exactly how I live my life, and how my brain works. It's similar to your Gold Finch analogy. However, the only difference is that my speedboat analogy more strongly emphasizes how difficult getting a project done without inspiration is (having to swim through freezing waters). Also, in my analogy, inspiration is always present (the speedboat will always take you somewhere), whereas, in your analogy, the Gold Finch (motivation) is not always there. Those are the two differences between our analogies.
Anyway, my mom is an INTJ and she's just like you. And she gets frustrated by how I follow my inspiration which means I can't focus on any project long term. For example, I have this great idea for a story but I only work on it when I'm occasionally inspired, even though I know it's my best idea of all. I'll have to show my mom this video to see what she thinks.
Finally, do I think completely following my inspiration, which is the opposite of what you do, is good? Well, I obviously wish I could focus on one project at will... However, following my inspiration does lead me to so many different projects that I had never even considered or imagined before, so I suppose there are some benefits. But yes, I would really like to be able to willfully focus in on one project, because I already have so many to choose from. I wish I could do both.
Thanks for making this video.
I would say keep inspiration when you have it but don’t miss it when it’s gone 🙂 sounds like you have a lot of good energy channeled forward in this life.
my ENFP ass needed this to complete the 163725287282th projects i started and have yet to finish
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lmao 😂
hahahahahaha hilarious
As someone stuck in an Fi - Si loop of apathy, comfort and closely knit stuff that I enjoy. I always get bored waiting for something to come along that will fill the void, and capture my interest. I’m feeding the apathy. So this was an insightful and helpful video
Glad to hear that :)
Really well said Lindsay! I love building good habits -- they're so helpful! You can't rely on goldfinches... They're flaky
Great advice. Very INTJ . I like to think we perform the right or best ways we can by rising above feelings and other obstacles. Not that we function without feelings.
Cold and hard Iron like discipline! To keep moving and to go the distance with or without gold finch
THIS IS AN AMAZING VIDEO. The majority of everyday folk don't know that there are people doing things that they are NOT motivated to do. And to clarify, by not motivated, I meant it is not enjoyable/pleasant/preferred etc.
Being able to track your wins and losses is gold. If you write yourself a few things you want to get done the next day, and track if you actually do them or not, you can begin objectively tracking your progress in reality.
I write my things down on a yellow legal pad. It's something external to hold me accountable.
Yes absolutely!! The bar needs to be moved in the physical world.
I truly love seeing different takes on topics that can seem so simple at a glance. Yours is definitely one I'm enjoying more and more. Helps keep me in check with my logical side 😂 (--INFJ here)
I think that motivation comes naturally when you get to know enough about something particular in question. I'm also an INTJ, so I've struggled with motivation as a young boy, but, I have had it analyzed and figured out what's the key for finding motivation in anything. I have 2 friends also INTJ's so we used to talk about motivation, since one of them didn't find enough motivation to finish his engineering degree in computers.
You had me at woke goldfinch! 🤣. This video further shows why INFJs need INTJs in their lives!
Idk why I’m randomly going on a spree of your videos. Forgive me lol.
But to this point: perspiration > inspiration. Hard work will always and forever trump the idea of “innate talent” or “divine inspiration” because where one chooses to come to you at its whim whenever it wants (and leaves you in a state of agonizing wait when it doesn’t), the other makes it so that the hard work and discipline you put into doing “whatever it is” rewards you with a result.
And depending on how tenacious and hard-working you are, you’ll find that on the road of “hard-work,” “motivation, creativity, inspiration,” whatever you wanna call it, WILL meet you in the middle of the road. It just does. Maybe not right away, maybe not in the shape in which you’ve envisioned it, but it WILL come. I call it the “eureka” moment. And suddenly, you’re motivated.
You just have to be okay with putting in the hard work first. Which is easier said than done.
I find it Interesting what different people are taking away from this in the comments.
This definitely put my Fi into perspective though. You really don’t need it totally on board with the whole entire process to do anything. I just feel a little unsure/uneasy when it’s not around and reflexively doubt my reasons for doing a thing or assume I’m missing something and go back to Ne gathering more ideas. I’m an ENFP for context.
Super helpful perspective! I smiled because I saw how silly it was when you look at it that way. Thank you!
Hey! Glad you saw it as relevant! :)
The funny thing is: there is a bird that visits my window some days and he flew away just before I clicked on this video!
Thank you! It's nice to feel justified telling the motivation bird to heck off. Waiting on it has wasted too much of my time.
This was very motivating for me, thank you!
This metaphor was amazing, you transformed my perspective about my situation. Thank you!
Some legends out there find the video as an motivation
Who needs a self help book? We have our own little guru in Lindsey.
As an ISTP, I find your INTJ vibe and mindset very easy to live with. You would be great to talk to and hang out with. Your example makes sense, it's very logical, I like it. Determination and character should usually trump feelings, when it comes to accomplishing important things.
Thank you. It's so interesting how the ISTPs are down with this message and some other types are not.
Kind of like Morita Therapy in treating sociophobia and OCD. Nature-based, action-based, facts-based.
WOW... you've just opened a gate in my mind
I would say: "Motivation is like a Goldfinch"
Would never even think to say:
"Motivation is a Goldfinch"
I like your way better :D
It's really interesting to see how different types are reacting to this video. :)
The thing is though, when I start forcing myself to do things I'm not motivated to do I eventually always start hating my life which sets me back even more. If I don't feel like working on a passion project on most days, is it really my passion? If I don't feel like going to the gym on most days, did I ever really, honestly want to go?
I find that forcing myself to do things I don't actually want to do just because I set them as goals and then feeling bad when I fail to consistently pursue them just doesn't work for me long term. It makes me miserable and then I get even less done. And that really makes things difficult with external expectations like approaching deadlines or exams. I might be a more Ni-Fi INTJ, or another type altogether, idk.
The gym is the perfect example of that. Sometimes I wanted to go and enjoyed it, but most of the time it was meh. Then I tried swimming and absolutely LOVED it and couldn't wait to go again. Same thing with my various projects. When I picked the right thing to work on, I never had to force myself.
Motivation is overrated! Seriously if I waited until I felt motivated I'd wait forever.
Exactly this!
Motivation is irrelevant to achieving goals. INTJ's think alike.
Congratulations on reaching 20K subscribers!
Thanks Laura!!!!
Ironically I felt motivated after watching this video. Probably not what should have happened.
Focus on your goal. Don’t look in any direction but ahead.
Great advice for blast last Ni users!
I needed this. Thanks LiJo!
Motivation and discipline are emotions. They are somewhat negotiable and can be strengthened with specific practices. Both of them inspire, in their own ways, energy expenditure. I believe what you're trying to say with focusing on practice is turning the desired action a habit, which is a tool of our brain to decrease the energy needed to do something that it considers important for some reason. Maybe we can see it as progressively changing the unconsious wiring to rely less on conscious effort and boosts, like motivation
To sum this up: On surface you're telling people that they don't need motivation. But in reality you're telling them that they just don't need motivation from the outside world and that it is much more reliable to find a motivation inside yourself, which I agree with. Otherwise, people will struggle to find a motivation to practice ;)
"coo-coo! COO-COO! o sacred gold finch"
Awesome video!
This was awesome! Thanks!
Motivation is a Goldfinch, that means Practice is my pet cat. She's goes beside me all the time. xD
This video's helpful in a finch.
Moral of this video: It applies to the non-INTJs.
Lol
There's no such thing as not having motivation. What definitely exists is Te disagreeing about what you should be motivated about. Tough luck, though, unless Se hits you into the face Ni-Fi will win so you can just as well tell Te that it just doesn't understand, that stuff will get "on track" faster if it just shuts up and waits. Thus, having stopped fighting yourself (and that's the important bit), you're finally free to stare at the clouds for a while. Watch the finch eat all that food, little bugger needs proper nourishment before you can climb on its back and fly.
What if in the times one has no motivation she is busy working on something subconsciously and does not want her subconscious work to be distracted with something else?
Whatever this will be about I already like it :) 1+1=0?
Hahah 🖤
When you have your own store, I'm putting in a request for "Motivation is a Goldfinch" on apperal
I love that 😭💗
Sorry, LiJo. This is reeeeally long, but please read it all and say what you think about this. It might seem loony at times, but please bear with me. I'm just a guy making guesses and stating his opinion.
I must disagree with your assessment. There seems to some confusion about what motivation is at a fundamental level. I believe that motivation (look at the roots of the word) is that which induces motion. When this definition is applied to motivation as it appears around humans, motivation is taken to be anything which causes humans to move. As an example, suppose that you haven't eaten in days. Hopefully that would make you feel hungry or at least a desire to stay alive and you'd decide to get some food. This desire causes you to move your body. So one would say that desire to stay alive is the motivator. It is the reason that you moved. You would not have moved to get food if you did not feel the need for food. Now where does such a desire originate? I cannot answer that. But the point is that motivation is a key ingredient to accomplishing anything. I do not suggest that it is the only thing necessary. Motivation alone does not solve anything. So then why are people saying that they lose motivation sometimes and seem to lack control of their motivation? I propose that it is because people forget about the reasons they are motivated when they become busy with other matters. Perhaps it is that different motivations in one human can cancel each other out. Imagine that you decided that you wanted chips from your pantry. This desire motivated you to walk into your pantry. But as soon as you cross the threshold of the pantry, you forget what you were going to do in the pantry. How can you continue to complete your goal if you can't remember it? This stops all progress. The desire was still there, but the object of that desire was forgotten. So motivation could not be transmitted into progress. Whenever that happens motivation is stifled. One could also compare motivation the the laws governing flow of electricity. Motivation would be the voltage. It is the electromotive force. It only causes current whenever there is a path for that current to flow. If resistance is higher than desire, then there will be no motion, even though motive still exists. How does one stay focused and prioritize their own motivations? The answer is simple. Remember your reasons and values! Or the reasons and values of those you care about or think highly of. Remember them whenever you make decisions and you will find that your natural motivation will have a pathway to flow through. Only one who is completely honest with themselves can see good results from this method. Do you suppose that anyone who wants to get in good physical condition will fail to exercise in the morning if they remember the reason they want to when deciding between that and sleeping in? Why do people who say such things sleep in? I say it is because of competing motivations. Their valued reasons are forgotten or overshadowed by the temporary feelings of drowsiness. Both the valued reasons and the temporary feelings are motivations, but one is stronger than the other. One is conducive to the desired flow of life, and the other resists it. But the resistance is in the mind. If one trains themselves to ignore the resistance (drowsiness in the example), then one can do what one truly wishes to and motivation is unhindered because the electromotive force (valued reasons) is greater than the resistance. The very world we live in is our enemy when it comes to remember our true purposes. Be careful not to live for and enslaved by the present. moment.
I hear you and I understand what you're seeing here and how you're breaking it down. I am using the desire related definition of motivation here - I covered in the dialogue the reasons and the goal already being understood. It's been my observation that many times people are very consciously aware of what they need to do, and why they need to do it. However it's the expectation to feel desire towards those reasons when doing other things may simply be more comfortable/pleasurable. Like you said, temporal feelings act as a motivation. It's the same reason people continue to smoke after knowing it will likely kill them. Yes it is all mental, and I really think it comes back to the expectation. People expecting one motivation to outweigh the other. This is why I introduced this concept as it relates to the "desire to action". If you have the goal and have the next steps, there is no reason for you to wait on feeling anything.
@@InternetLiJo Thanks for responding! And thank you for elucidating what you said in the video. I think I could probably talk about this kind of thing all day. But don't worry, that won't happen. Still, I took the time to write what I think about your response and then just sort of continued typing for some reason. Thanks for bringing up this topic. I feel like I understand this a little better now.
So when you say 'waiting to feel anything,' you mean waiting for the temporary desires to pass? What you're trying to get at is that people shouldn't be allowing their current situation to affect their actions, right? A person who wants to run a marathon shouldn't expect to run downhill only and quit at the first uphill slope. So then motivation is not a goldfinch (my favorite bird btw), but rather the world and people's circumstances would be the goldfinch in your example. I say that because motivation is always present and (assuming people are conscientious enough) actions can be controlled (unlike a bird), but the circumstances and adversity which distract people from their desired outputs are unpredictable and out of control (like birds). I suppose I do agree with you on most points. Indeed, people should not expect to be glad about having to run uphill, but they should be glad when they receive a 🏅. So the motivation is drawing them to the 🏅, not the hill. This doesn't matter because they are two sides of the same coin. Advantages always go with disadvantages. And gold is always found with impurities. It is a universal principle that humans must always be motivated or they will be in the process
Remembering the taste of quail is very different from actually tasting it. The actual taste is stronger. It's the same with pain. The memory is not as clear as the actual sensation. So when someone decides to take pain for a reward, the decision was made at a time when all things were equal in mind. The memory of pain and the imagined reward are felt equally in the mind and the decision is made to receive the pain for the reward because the reward is observed to be better. They made a ratio of pain to reward in their mind. But when the pain actually arrives, the person will, if they aren't careful, input the sensation they are feeling into the ratio of pain to reward without changing the expected reward's value. So then they may fool themselves into changing their decision. That is the illusion of the present moment. But if they persevere through the pain, then they receive the sensation of the reward as it becomes an actuality and then the pain is a memory. Here again, if the person is not careful, they may input the value of the reward into the original ratio and thus over estimate the benefits to cost. These illusions occur because humans are temporal beings. But if people can step outside themselves for a moment and consider everything in a perfect timeless sense, then they can keep things balanced in their mind.
To sum up, Motivation is not a problem. Everyone needs motivation. The problem is bad motivations. One must make decisions when they are unbiased by their sensations and diligently pursue the course they set at the start. Beware the trick of time. Even doing this, people will always be disappointed occasionally because people are not all knowing and will not always have the proper values in their initial ratio. The fix for that is just experience. Use your own experiences and rely on the experiences others share with you whenever you begin to decide what to do. Remember your reasons (the rewards) during the execution process.
Practical tips: -make a pros v. cons list of your decisions and review this list every day -talk to others who have done what you want to do -embrace the pain, sweat, and toiling because work is always rewarded (though not always in the way you expect) - ask friends to help you by being tough on you when you don't do what you wanted to. Final remark: I suppose we probably can concur about this topic. Are there any other thoughts you have about this right now? Again, thanks for the video.
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Perhaps it’s the old adage about just turning up every day?
Yes I'd say so. :)
Now step 2, how to get the discipline to practice with FF blast last 🧐😅
Ahhh FF blast!! 😅😅😅
Discipline = Progress - Motivation
If I understood correctly...
thats a really enlightening video!! what if u kinda lack like dreams or ambition though :(
A dream needs to come first
Ok so i have an important question! An INTJ female just broke up with me (ENFJ male) She said i was a "deep thinker" and she grew tired of the way i viewed life so thoughtfully and conceptual. It seemed that the day to day exploration proved to be too much for her. I know that INTJ's need space but due to pandemic we communicated everyday. I thought that INTJ's were also deep thinkers though? Apparently we werent emotionally compatible. I just want to know if she was actually an ISTJ or is it really exhausting for an INTJ having that day to day exploration.
Hmm that sounds like a fake reason for breaking up with someone. I can’t relate at least. I’m sorry.
Go through the hurt of the breakup (no need to rationalize it with her possible type), it'll simply suck for a while and maybe you'll never know the true reason but it'll get better. ♥️ Take care of yourself ! -INFJ
Can you as an INTJ understand/use the equations that you put on your thumbnail?🤔
INFJ asking.
Keep window open (Se).
Woah here early!! 😍
heyyy
Going to the gym isn't about eating more? 🤣
Lmao not today says the gold finch!
Going to the gym does INDEED mean being able to eat more! The beautiful thing is, food is a gold finch that always hangs around. 😁
I think you may be a little off here. Wanting to achieve a long term goal is also motivation.
So, especially for Ni Types that look into the future a lot, it is even intrinsic motivation to achieve those long term goals. I think you're talking only about short term motivation, which is much more powerful for many other types (i.e. Se doms) because they do not trust that much into those patterns they see.
I think that we actually won't do anything at all without motivation. You also need to be motivated to practice something and to create a habit. Si doms are much more motivated to create habits because it is intrinsically motivating for them to create those habits because they are motivated to avoid any outside chaos from happening that they can't predict.
If you can't see any Ni long term goal, Te effectiveness or application, Fi value, or Se pleasure in something, you probably are not motivated in doing something.
What motivates each type is actually what creates those cognitive functions right?
I also think that it is more important to look for intrinsic motivation vs. external motivation.
Intrinsic motivation is something you want for yourself.
External motivation is doing something for money even though you don't want to do the actual stuff. You only will do as much needed to get the money. If anything more you do doesn't bring you any benefits, there is no motivation.
Intrinsic motivation is much more powerful, because it runs on your motivation created by your brain wanting the actual thing itself.
But I thought that motivation was about to know for what reason you do things (have a motive (as in motivation)) I think that you're more or less speaking about passion or enthusiasm which I would understand wouldn't come every day... Discipline is freedom!!!
I have alot of admiration for Si/Ni heros !!! these are the most skilled and accomplished people I know
#wokefinch LOL
woke finch 🐦 !!