Whilst I believe the ban cost us another European trophy we also signed people no better than squad standard and it cost us. They kicked on and signed Houghton Aldridge Beardsley & Barnes, we only signed McCall & Cottee that were anywhere near the standard from 88 onwards
There are some great points that show the difference regarding history, rumour and facts. It shows where fans stories are fan rumour and hearsay and the press, compared to historical research. It is refreshing that Gav is critical and realistic about the club also, does not just look through blue tinted specs.
Evertons problems go far deeper , and we need to stop blaming Heysel. The fact that boyhood Blues like Speed, Rush, Mcmanaman, Owen, Carragher were never picked up in their early part of their life is testament to this, we are the worst run club in the country and have been for over 50 years
A wonderful interview. It's good to have long-held views challenged at times. And, although I think the European ban damaged Everton more than any other club (that's why we don't have Liverpool's international fanbase). It's a myth to claim the ban was the reason for our decline. Thank you. I really enjoyed it.
Disagree with a few comments but overall an excellent interview with a passionate and knowledgeable blue. Very interesting point about Peter Swales in effect blocking Howard for the England job..
Not a Everton fan but grew up with them being one of the big 5 clubs not that long ago in the modern era.. An excellent insight into the Toffees' demise. Aways wondered how they would have succeeded in Europe and domestically if English clubs were not banned in the 80s. Thank you for the great show and content from your guest.
The author falsely understates the impact of Heysel and 5 year ban from European football on Everton’s success and investment since 1985. Everton’s underinvestment in talent and loss of Gary Lineker to Barcelona and others to Rangers is a symptom of the European ban. After the ban was lifted, it took 8 years (14 in Liverpool FC’s case) for another English club to win the European Cup. Imagine if Liverpool FC had been banned from playing in the European Cup in 1976/7 to 1981/2. Add 8 years to recover. and Liverpool FC’s greatest era and attractiveness to investors would have been diminished just as Everton’s was as a result of Heysel. Evertonians know our history. It does not need to be rewritten 40 years on. Instead, let’s concentrate on building a bright future for Everton.
Thanks for watching but it's not rewriting history though, I'm merely stating the facts: the claims that the team "fell apart" are not true. As I said three years after Heysel all the players from the 5-0 v Man United were still there. The bad decisions made by the club are there to see after 1987.
I agree with what you say. By summer 89, Steven, Stevens, Lineker, Heath and Kendall had all left for clubs competing in Europe. When Baz points out that Adrian Heath, a lynchpin of that era, feels that Heysel was huge in the team's decline, Gav appears to dismiss this ahead of his own view. I'm with Inchy on this one.
2 reasons. 1) Heysel. The 5 year ban for all English clubs was a piss take when it should have been simply punishing the perpetrators of whom we all know that is. 2) The club stopped being ambitious once 1990 arrived. We tightened the purse string to the extent that clubs that shouldn't have been in our stratosphere were buying the players we should have been signing.
4 years on from winning the league in 85, and Heysel, we had lost Stevens, Van den Hauwe, Mountfield, Reid, Bracewell, Steven, Gray, Likenker, Heath and Kendall. Heysel played a huge part in that teams breakup. Likes of Lineker, Kendall, Steven, Stevens, Heath all going to different leagues where European football was available.
Mate,the reason we used 23 players in 86 87 was the chronic injury list. Can you not remember Southall, Van den hauwe, Reid and others missed lots of that season. Bracewell didn't kick a ball. Likes of Pointon, Harper, Power, Clarke, Mimms, Snodin all played a part.
@@williamwallace7651- we are all entitled to our opinion. I saw Mountfield against City (away) we won 3-1, he was brilliant that day but Kendall couldn’t keep him in the team because he’d paid 900k for donkey Watson. The defense (in my opinion) was never the same. Rats and Degzy just understood each other. For me, it’s was a big mistake & waste of money. Apparently DM had epilepsy and that’s what worried Kendal into buying Watson.
I certainly don't believe the theory that the team broke up too soon after Heysel, too convenient. As I said more than three years after Heysel all the players who started the 5-0 v Man U were still at the club, that's a long time in footballing terms.
Great stuff. Not sure about the 30 quid price though. 20 would be better or he could re-package them as a trilogy and sell it as a set for 44.99. Perfect Christmas Present. Bit of a lack of marketing brains there.
How desperate is Baz trying to push the Hysel narrative but Gavin is having none of it. Very refreshing. Truth is Everton just bought poor players just like Liverpool did in the 90s
Baz doesn’t need to be desperate about heysel, it happened and liverpool and juventus were responsible, despite liverpool trying to blame everyone else at the time, like the national front which is what they did, know your history as the song says.
@@markconnolly6288all the English teams were banned from Europe. It didn’t lead to Arsenal and Liverpools downfalls. Why couldn’t Everton have continued being successful domestically?
Mate, I'm not pushing anything. It was a fact and players left because of it, I know this because I've interviewed them all. Weird comment tbh. Everton's decisions alongside this were terrible and probably as equal but the reality is a European ban did stop EFC growth. No reason to try and turn this into Everton / Liverpool thing, it's just reality. If LFC were banned now for 5 years your side would break up and the growth would stop they're just the simple facts.
@@Ldoggmillionaire That's a Good point. I was just talking about EFC breaking up. That's correct, though. LFC / Arsenal bought better players and made better decisions than Everton. Also, in all fairness, Arsenal weren't up there anyway until 1989!
heysel... was simply a tragedy, as a know and heard back then 85 it's been caused by Italian fans and pool fans were angry cause there is even a boy victim been, we know everything took a turnaround but... let's not blame pool fans for that tragedy, besides why were only english teams banned for 5 years? and not Italians teams?
Only one team would be banned now, there’s too much money involved to lose the premier league qualifying teams… didn’t leeds get a ban on their own?.. it’s all history and doesn’t hide the fact we have been badly run ever since imo
How EVERTON'S Glory Years Came To An END
Whilst Liverpool were signing Beardsley and Barnes, we were signing Ian Wilson.
Whilst I believe the ban cost us another European trophy we also signed people no better than squad standard and it cost us.
They kicked on and signed Houghton Aldridge Beardsley & Barnes, we only signed McCall & Cottee that were anywhere near the standard from 88 onwards
Enjoyed the trip down memory lane.
There are some great points that show the difference regarding history, rumour and facts. It shows where fans stories are fan rumour and hearsay and the press, compared to historical research. It is refreshing that Gav is critical and realistic about the club also, does not just look through blue tinted specs.
Thanks John, appreciated
@@Gavb66 you are welcome. Always the voice of reason and common sense on the Royal Blue Podcast also.
@@johnrussell8120 You're very kind, my agent's job is vacant!
Evertons problems go far deeper , and we need to stop blaming Heysel.
The fact that boyhood Blues like Speed, Rush, Mcmanaman, Owen, Carragher were never picked up in their early part of their life is testament to this, we are the worst run club in the country and have been for over 50 years
A wonderful interview. It's good to have long-held views challenged at times. And, although I think the European ban damaged Everton more than any other club (that's why we don't have Liverpool's international fanbase). It's a myth to claim the ban was the reason for our decline.
Thank you. I really enjoyed it.
Thank you very kind Allan, glad you enjoyed it
Disagree with a few comments but overall an excellent interview with a passionate and knowledgeable blue. Very interesting point about Peter Swales in effect blocking Howard for the England job..
Not a Everton fan but grew up with them being one of the big 5 clubs not that long ago in the modern era.. An excellent insight into the Toffees' demise. Aways wondered how they would have succeeded in Europe and domestically if English clubs were not banned in the 80s.
Thank you for the great show and content from your guest.
Enjoyed this. Thanks
Glad you enjoyed it 😃
Great guest.
Thank you!
Gavin is a fantastic guest & story teller
Thank you!
The author falsely understates the impact of Heysel and 5 year ban from European football on Everton’s success and investment since 1985. Everton’s underinvestment in talent and loss of Gary Lineker to Barcelona and others to Rangers is a symptom of the European ban. After the ban was lifted, it took 8 years (14 in Liverpool FC’s case) for another English club to win the European Cup. Imagine if Liverpool FC had been banned from playing in the European Cup in 1976/7 to 1981/2. Add 8 years to recover. and Liverpool FC’s greatest era and attractiveness to investors would have been diminished just as Everton’s was as a result of Heysel. Evertonians know our history. It does not need to be rewritten 40 years on. Instead, let’s concentrate on building a bright future for Everton.
Thanks for watching but it's not rewriting history though, I'm merely stating the facts: the claims that the team "fell apart" are not true. As I said three years after Heysel all the players from the 5-0 v Man United were still there. The bad decisions made by the club are there to see after 1987.
I agree with what you say. By summer 89, Steven, Stevens, Lineker, Heath and Kendall had all left for clubs competing in Europe. When Baz points out that Adrian Heath, a lynchpin of that era, feels that Heysel was huge in the team's decline, Gav appears to dismiss this ahead of his own view. I'm with Inchy on this one.
Very interesting with no agenda , spoke very well
Thanks Greg appreciated
2 reasons.
1) Heysel. The 5 year ban for all English clubs was a piss take when it should have been simply punishing the perpetrators of whom we all know that is.
2) The club stopped being ambitious once 1990 arrived.
We tightened the purse string to the extent that clubs that shouldn't have been in our stratosphere were buying the players we should have been signing.
There would be no ban to anyone this day and age…just a slap, and money is the reason, UEFA just bottled it at the time
4 years on from winning the league in 85, and Heysel, we had lost Stevens, Van den Hauwe, Mountfield, Reid, Bracewell, Steven, Gray, Likenker, Heath and Kendall. Heysel played a huge part in that teams breakup. Likes of Lineker, Kendall, Steven, Stevens, Heath all going to different leagues where European football was available.
Mate,the reason we used 23 players in 86 87 was the chronic injury list. Can you not remember Southall, Van den hauwe, Reid and others missed lots of that season. Bracewell didn't kick a ball. Likes of Pointon, Harper, Power, Clarke, Mimms, Snodin all played a part.
Great interview
Thanks Darren, appreciated
This might be painful 🍵 needed
Such a great team and being denied the opportunity to try your hand on the European stage must have been heartbreaking
Got his two other books they are excellent
So Xmas present then
Thanks Tim, appreciated, thanks for watching
Is started with selling Andy Gray and replacing Mountfield with Watson. We were just never the same after that.
And not replacing Peter Reid. Kendall should’ve gone back for McMahon, letting him go across the park cost us the double!
Watson was one of the few great signings we made from 1986. waggy wasn't injury prone as dereck and we got 15 years of great service from him
@@williamwallace7651- we are all entitled to our opinion. I saw Mountfield against City (away) we won 3-1, he was brilliant that day but Kendall couldn’t keep him in the team because he’d paid 900k for donkey Watson. The defense (in my opinion) was never the same. Rats and Degzy just understood each other.
For me, it’s was a big mistake & waste of money. Apparently DM had epilepsy and that’s what worried Kendal into buying Watson.
I dont know who to believe the players or a fella who never has to pay for a ticket
I certainly don't believe the theory that the team broke up too soon after Heysel, too convenient. As I said more than three years after Heysel all the players who started the 5-0 v Man U were still at the club, that's a long time in footballing terms.
European border ban and the board
It. Was. No. Ifs. Or. Buts.
Lineker did miss chances at Oxford....
I actually think Baz is better than any if the guys on Redmen TV and I am a Red!
Good interview but I dont agree with everything discussed
Great stuff. Not sure about the 30 quid price though. 20 would be better or he could re-package them as a trilogy and sell it as a set for 44.99. Perfect Christmas Present. Bit of a lack of marketing brains there.
Thanks for watching, said at end you can buy all three for £50 via Mount Vernon Publishing
@ really? Bloody ell. Didn’t hear that part. Very good. Thanks for your great work.
@@leeriding3746 My pleasure, hope you enjoy them!
Gav the Kevin sheedy look alike,
How desperate is Baz trying to push the Hysel narrative but Gavin is having none of it. Very refreshing. Truth is Everton just bought poor players just like Liverpool did in the 90s
Baz doesn’t need to be desperate about heysel, it happened and liverpool and juventus were responsible, despite liverpool trying to blame everyone else at the time, like the national front which is what they did, know your history as the song says.
@@markconnolly6288all the English teams were banned from Europe. It didn’t lead to Arsenal and Liverpools downfalls. Why couldn’t Everton have continued being successful domestically?
136 and counting….
Mate, I'm not pushing anything. It was a fact and players left because of it, I know this because I've interviewed them all. Weird comment tbh. Everton's decisions alongside this were terrible and probably as equal but the reality is a European ban did stop EFC growth. No reason to try and turn this into Everton / Liverpool thing, it's just reality. If LFC were banned now for 5 years your side would break up and the growth would stop they're just the simple facts.
@@Ldoggmillionaire That's a Good point. I was just talking about EFC breaking up. That's correct, though. LFC / Arsenal bought better players and made better decisions than Everton. Also, in all fairness, Arsenal weren't up there anyway until 1989!
Dismiss Heysel and your book becomes irrelevant.
heysel... was simply a tragedy, as a know and heard back then 85 it's been caused by Italian fans and pool fans were angry cause there is even a boy victim been, we know everything took a turnaround but... let's not blame pool fans for that tragedy, besides why were only english teams banned for 5 years? and not Italians teams?
@@valentincuc4101 even after nearly 40 years there still defeanding what happened, just own it.
Only one team would be banned now, there’s too much money involved to lose the premier league qualifying teams… didn’t leeds get a ban on their own?.. it’s all history and doesn’t hide the fact we have been badly run ever since imo