MOOER GE 250 vs GE 300: is the GE 300 worth the extra money?
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- Опубліковано 18 жов 2024
- In this video we will share a comparison between the Mooer GE 250 and the Mooer GE 300, trying to answer the question if the GE 300 is worth the extra money against the GE 250. The arguments we will discuss together are: the technical differences between the two pedalboards, in terms for instance of in/out, sampling frequency and so on and so forth: we will discover together every detail of the two units and which differences are important for me and maybe also for you.…Then we will better listen to the sound differences, that you are already hearing in the demo song…Finally I will give you my 2 cents, letting you know if in my opinion the GE 300 is worth the extra money...Please let me know your opinion in the comment below...I hope you enjoy and please don't forget to subscribe and hit the notification bell...it would be of a great help!!!
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Thanks man for the comparison. I bought my GE250 about 2 weeks ago and been experimenting and tweaking a lot because I really could not choose between them and some other amp modelers...
For me the GE250 is all I need and get some killer tones out of it PLUS saving the extra bucks to buy other pieces of gear 😁. Thanks for the comparison video!
You are welcome, I'm really happy to have been of some help!
Thank you also for sharing your final decision!
Hi Leo. Another very useful vid. But although shown on your list, I'm surprised you didn't make any comment that the GE300 has no drum rhythm section. Obviously irrelevant from a tone perspective but an important difference if someone needs an all in one home practice tool. The only thing I can think of here is that its because the GE300 is designed more for the gigging player that needs more floor control and less likely to need drum rhythms whereas the GE200/250 are aimed more for home players and for whom drum rhythms are likely to be more useful. The other thing I'm very surprised at Leo is that in your summing up, you completely ignored the way superior floor control functionality of the GE300 which is a big reason for its price difference - the extra floor control with 10 v 5 foot switches is what makes the GE300 a gigging tool. So when considering value I think you ought to have mentioned that the GE300 is aimed at gigging players which is a different market to home players. Regardless of all the other features, without additional external footswitches/Midi board, the GE200 and GE250 simply don't offer the floor control you need to gig especially for cover players that are more likely to need to change patches for every song and even tone changes mid song.
As a gigging player myself it has to be the GE300 all the way, but it would still have been useful to have drum rhythms. BTW I've just seen your vid on the new v2.0 firmware upgrade for the GE300 which does make a very noticeable improvement to the GE300 tones. I know you haven't had a chance to get your hands on the new Line 6 Pod Go yet, but when you do, aside from an in depth look at the Pod Go, I'd love you to do a comparison of the Pod Go v Mooer GE300 as I plan to buy one of these to replace my old, big and heavy (but still very good sounding) Vox Tonelab SE . The Pod Go has a touch screen and snapshots which are cool features missing from the GE300, but with 2 x Sharc 32 chips it's a lot more sophisticated and powerful than Pod Go with its very limited 4 user blocks but I'm attracted by the Pod Go simplicity for gigging.
Do you know if the Mooer GE300 has a snapshot facility - if it doesn't, it would be really great if Mooer was able to add snapshots to the GE300 in a firmware upgrade as its a brilliant feature for gigging players.
Those introductions with your twin and some times triplet brothers are mind blowing 😄 !!!
Thank you so much for your feedback...it means a lot to me!!!
Sure makes sense your final 2 cents, Leo as it obviously no brainer get a 2nd hand GE300 in good conditions (often offered with his gigbag) for just 50€ more than a new GE250 BUT consider that if we are not in a hurry maybe we could get 2nd hand GE250 in a couple of months for, maybe, 300€ or less... so the gap between the two still remains the same.
I think the REAL question should be not if the GE300 worth the extra money (sure it does) but WHO should be interested in spending those extra money to take full advantage from the superior features of the GE300?
I think a pro like you should go for the 300 in any case because the lack of features of the 250 is quite important and may result in a limitation for what a pro need.
On the other hand, as you always said, the GE250 is very solid and complete option for the semi pro or the guitarist who have some live situation but doesn't really need that in deep tweaking control of every feature of his setup.
There are planty of us that have always played with a bunch of pedals straight in the amp and the GE250 is the perfect solution to get a lightweight portable and flexible rig which allows the guiarist to change is live rig at a very affordable price.
For this categroy of musicians not only the GE300 does not worth the price but its complexity may result in a headache and surprisingly poor results (sometimes less is better)
This is my opionion.
Hi Emiliano, thank you for your message, that in my opinion is very clear and very clever!
You are bringing to the table very good and valuable considerations and I don't have too much to add...other than saying that: the stereo mics with early reflection could be useful also for not pro users that maybe want to record themself with the most realistic sound possible and that the stereo loop is pretty useful in order to incorporate in your rig your favorite stereo time and modulation effects. Nevertheless, I love my GE 250 and I think that for the price is a really good pedalboard, hard to beat! Thank you for your message and for sharing your opinion with us!!!
Great reviews. Very professional. This channel needs more followers
Thank you Anthony, really appreciated!!!
Great review, I just bought the Mooer GE 300 and love it.
First time subscriber to your UA-cam channel, it rocks.🤘🏻
Thank you, it really means a lot to me!
I believe I prefer the tones from the 250.
Thank you for sharing your opinion with us!
I agree. The GE300 sounded strangely muffled on distorted tones to me.
Same. It sounded more open.
How interesting, if you watch the settings closely. Two U87s were used for mics in the cab section, which is not an apple vs apple comparison. It did not sound better than a single U87 in the GE250 imo.
Definitely.
Like always, excellent review Leo. Very helpful 🙌🏻
Thank you Ricardo, really appreciated!!!
The JCM 800 model on GE300 sounds muddy while the 250 sounds clearer. Also, I don’t care much for stereo loop and the 250 is almost $300 cheaper in my country. So my vote goes to the 250.
Hi, thank you for sharing your opinion with us!
Tnx for your video. I was very undecided between 250 or 300. I think for my opinion 250 sound is better...
You are welcome!
fantastic video review, I liked the approach I subscribed so much. definitely to my personal perception the GE 300 has a more complete tone range above 250, which to retailers could mean a lot. In short, yes, it is worth paying the price difference. greetings and keep going ✌️
Thank you, your feedback is really important for me!!!!
Amazing work as always Leo! To me, the 250 still sounds the best especially the clean tones. The 300 sounds muddy without definition.
Thank you, I'm happy you appreciated the video! Thank you also for sharing your opinion!
Another great comparison video. Thank you! :)
You are welcome, I'm super happy that you enjoy the video!!!
Excelente interpretación y creatividad Leo ! Eres un gran compositor!! Saludos desde Argentina
Hi Jose, this is a great compliment, thank you so much!!!!
... THE compare dude - tnx so much.
You are welcome!!!!
It's not a true Leo Gibson video if it doesn't include "Don't get me wrong" in his two cents portion.
Nice review
Easy to understand
Excellent demo of each effects
Subsribed 😀
Thank you, your subscription and supporto is really important for me!
good comparison, thanks
You are welcome!!! thank you for your message!
Thanks for your video Leo. I like very much to see all your video
Thank you Maurizio, I'm really happy that you like the videos!!!
The synth fx in ge300 is really interesting. Anyway, nice video. You deserve more views.
Thank you, really appreciated!!!
I believe that the ge300 sounds a little bit muddier than the ge250.
Hey Leo, I'm a big Fan of your Videos. I ve got a kemper Stage, and now a Mooer Ge300 as a Backup. I can t find your Patches for the ge300! I mean you have released some on the mooer Studio Cloud! Bye
Thank you so much, I'm really happy that you like the channel!
Yes, I have released some amp captures / profiles in the mooer studio cloud.
Thank you once more!
great reviews. Is their a possibility to have a kind of sustainer effect that could mimic an Ebow ?
Thank you Gérard, I'm happy that you like the video!
I don't think it's available but I'm not 100% sure.
Hi Leo! Amazing vídeo as usual! I have one question that came from watching this video. The sound of the JCM800 was configured exactly the same on the ge250 and the ge300, right? Same TS, same amp, same cab, same mic… why do they sound so different? If you told me that on the ge300 you used dual mic, than that would make a lot of sense, but from the info on the video, apparently you used only one mic for both the ge250 and the ge300, which makes me wonder, why do they sound so different? The amp models should be the same algorithm on both units right? Or am I mistaking? I do understand that the dynamic range is better on the ge300, but that still wouldn’t explain the drastic difference. If you could shed some light on this, I would be very thankful!
Hi Marcelo, one factor are for sure the ADA converters as you mentioned. Maybe also that the algorithms are different, for instance the computer apps of the two modelers are pretty different each from the other...and therefore also the algorithms could be different...another thinks is that, if I remember it well, the 300 received a pretty substantial firmware upgrade that improved the sound of the cab...If I remember it well after this video.
Thank you for your message!
@@LeoGibsonGtr oh! well that is pretty interesting to hear! thanks for that info! in this example the ge300 sounds more "real" to me, that was why I asked. Does the GE300 Lite have the same firmware as the GE300? Or are they different? I'm basically asking, will the GE300 Lite sound the same as the GE300?
Thanks, that's a very detailed comparison. Just wanted to ask, in your opinion, why is there such a huge difference in sound (JCM 800 solo part) , e.g.: 10:48 vs 11:10. Both solo examples use the same cab settings and the same mic settings, but sound completely different? GE250 seems a bit smaller, more presence (a bit synthetic ), where's GE300 is bigger and seems to sound a bit smoother? Do you know if both units use exactly the same set of impulse responses? Or is it because the "early reflection" option enabled? EQ settings are the same? Thanks
Hi Alex, your questions are really good and I was also surprised by the sound differences of the two units. These are my "speculations":
1) the ADA converters of the two units are for sure different, as the dynamic response is different. This could have an impact in the sound
2) The name of the cab I've used is the same (as the eq, and I've zeroed the early reflection), but maybe the IRs Mooer is using are different. In fact the IR of the GE 300 supports stereo miking so I suppose that it has been done following a different process compared to the GE 250, and this could have an impact in the sound
3) the editor software of the two units is really different...and this is pretty strange, as Mooer could save money doing a unique software common to all their modellers (that is the Line 6 approach, where for instance the HX stomp and the Helix share the same editor software). This is a total guess, but if the editor software is different, maybe there could be a difference also in the modeling algorithms
With the exeption of the converters the other are my guesses...
Thank you for your question!
I think the difference is the second mike added on the g300, despite the 1 only mikes on the ge250, it makes a lot difference in heavy sound.
Better comparisin would be booth unit with only one microphone on cabinet.
Ormai aspetto i tuoi video con ansia!grande Leo!continua così!ge250 presa👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Thank you! It really means a lot to me!!! This video really required a lot of time... :)
Hey Leo,
Is it possible to take 2 Amps in 1 preset on the ge300? For example 1 for Clean Sound and 1 for dirt?
Thanx
Hi, no it is not possible as far as I know. if someone has better info, please let us know. thank you for your message!
Excelente tutorial!!
Gracias, y por cierto, que bien tocas la guitarra...
Thank you, really appreciated|
The second Intro Song..Love it 👍
Thank you, appreciated!!!
@@LeoGibsonGtr stay Safe!
very nice comparison.love ur vids man..if u have to choose between ge300 n hx stomp for gd metal tone,wat'd be your choice?plz tell
Thank you, really appreciated! This is a pretty difficutl question to answer... I typically play more hard rock than metal... so I have to try....
I've had the GE200 for several years and use mainly for practice a and a good travel companion, however there is a delay when switching on the effect.
Is there any latency that you have observed in these units?
0 latency on bandmate ge200 and also 0 latency on my ge250
@@repsol5082 perhaps I need an update. Playing has no latency, but only when switching the effect on/off. None with the looper or channel switch. How do you like the 250? Worth the upgrade?
You nerd to turn on "train" in options. This is new function from last update.
@@Sleeep1 thanks!
HI Folks, between the Mooer 300 Lite, Mooer 250 and the Boss GT1000 Core, would you please rate them for amp feel? The amp models that interest me are the Tweed, Reverb Deluxe, and the Plexi / 800. Currently, I'm not playing out and home bound. I'm going from stomp boxes and simplifying to a multi effect unit and I'm looking for something that can go into my amps - front end or loop and into my computer. Thanks for your time. Leo, your explanations are excellent.
Ihave a GT1000 and a Katana and I love them. I want to get the SY1000 it looks amazing. Maaybe you could do the SY1000 or the SY1. Great playing Leo!
Hi Thomas...the SY1 is in my wish list since many months...sooner or later I will get one....:)
@@LeoGibsonGtr wich one is better the ipod go line 6 or the GE250 MOER?? both are same price can u make one video?
Hi George, yes, I will do a video as soon as I will get the pod go...it is not available yet...but I will for sure get one.... so...stay tuned!!!
Thanks. I had this doubt, and I think the ADA converters dynamic range is a definitive advantage for the GE300 (even given that I don't need the loop).
You are welcome! thank you for your message!
Bravissimo Leo (come al solito);una piccola svista , hai scritto su current/power della GE300 3000ma/ 19V, ma sono solo 9 V (anche alla mooer hanno sbagliato e scritto sul multieffetto 2000ma / 9V, quando sul trasformatore sono indicati i 3000ma). I tuoi video sono sempre bellissimi e molto ultili.
Ciao Carlo, grazie mille! Si hai ragione, scusa per la svista! Grazie per il messaggio e per avermelo fatto notare!!!
I would love to see you compare Fractal FM3+FC6 VS Helix Floor Full Version
Hi Rick, I will get the FM3 as soon as available in Europe and I will do some comparison videos!
Cool, thanks👍
You are welcome!
excelente gracias por el gran aporte.
Thank you soooo much!!!
Is there any latency when switching effects using pedal switch on mooer ge250? Thanks.
Hi, yes there is, even if it's not annoying... at least in my experience and for my use case.
Thank you for your message!
Thank you leo. I have now the ge250 and its a great pedal multi effects.
listending through a UR22 interface with sennheiser hd600, i cant hear a difference between the clean demos and the ge300 sounds muddy.
Hi David, thank you for sharing your opinion!!
Ge 300 vs GT 1000 would be nice!
Yes, nice suggestion! my only concern is that there is a price gap between the two units, so I don't know if it is totally fair... I will think about it... even if there are other two videos in the pipeline... :)
Thank you for your message and your interest in my channel!!!
I second this !
Great Idea!
@@rveurope Hi...just to let you know that I'm working about it...
@@LeoGibsonGtr 👍
Isn't different sound because of different IR? ... Or they comes with the same cabinets?
Hi, I'm using the same stock CAB simulation in both the unit provided by Mooer . After this video there was an update for the GE 300 that improved a lot its cab simulations.
Thank you for your question!
I don t care about tone capture and synth but in the 250 the fx block A is limited. For example i can t use 2 overdrives/distortions in the chain to make for instance the Gilmour sound with the muff boosted by tube driver... Maybe with further updates..
Hi Fabio, thank you for sharing your opinion with us!
Hello Leo, my name is Kleber from Brazil.
Congratulations on the videos, they are all great.
I would like a video of the Mooer Ge300 and Zoom G5N crankset. I know they are different categories, but it serves to check the timbres.
Thanks hugs!
Hi, thank you so much! I've done a comparison video of the Mooer GE 150 with the Zoom G1X Four that you can check out here: ua-cam.com/video/dWe9xwVjoZ4/v-deo.html
As regards the GE 300, I would try to do a comparison with the G11 as soon as the G11 is gonna be available in Europe. Thank you once more!
This is hard to decide... the 250 sounds better without backing tracks, but 300 sound better with backing track. Am talking just based on the demo sounds. I now have option to get a brand new 250 or a 2nd hand 300, both at same price.
Hi, thank you for sharing your opinion!
Ottimo
Grazie mille!
Bettere comparison in sound would be the exactly the same settings, on g300 setting used are with 2 microphone it change a lot.
To understand if the dynamic range of converter affect the sound second mike should be not used on ge300.
Phases between two microphones can give more space and dimension or sound softer but also cancel some frequencies, that sound muddy for someone.
Many people are more used or prefer a more direct sound from one mikes only.
So it that the difference we heard, that someone dislike.
Hi Antonio, actually I'm using one microphone also in the GE 300: there is a specific parameters page in the GE 300 where you can set the blend between the two mics, and I have set the second one to zero. Actually I think that there was room to improve the cab simulation of the GE 300, in fact with the last firmware update Mooer has improve a lot the cab simulation. You can check out this video, where the improvements in the cab sims, are noticeable (in my opinion): ua-cam.com/video/j22fypMnw_U/v-deo.html
Thank you for your message!
Hi Leo😊do you hear a great difference of sound from this two pedalboards?
Hi, no...little differences. Thank you for your message!
You are welcome 🙏🏻keep at it💪🏻💪🏻
Always, I feels that equipments aren't important, just important things are a person who play.........
Hi Sirius, thank you for sharing!
Buyed a new ge250 in black friday for less €370... the ge250 has a built in metro and drums, ge300 doesn't have. For practice at home or small live is better!
Hi Simone, thank you for sharing your opinion and experience! good point about home practice...
To me the 250 sounded a lot better
Hi thank you for sharing your opinion with us!
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Thanks!!!
ge250 cant load profiles from GE LABS like ge200 ?? :(
Hi, yes it can!
Thank you for your question!
@@LeoGibsonGtr thanks was afraid about it, still confused which one to choose between ge200 and ge250, i play only live on stage and without amp, ge200 seems to be much easier (not faster?) to use and i am wondering if its good enough on stage (speed of changing presets, think if i would change order of presets they way i like + ctl button to get more effects quickyl then it should pretty nice)
is soud quality much better in ge250? is this a reasong to get 250 rather than 200? i wont use all ports which ge250 offers, i only connect it via stereo to dibox and then straight to the mixer, nothing more
Hi, in this video I have compared the whole Mooer GE family each against the other: ua-cam.com/video/5iadEC2CJ10/v-deo.html
In theory the sound quality of the GE 250 is a tiny bit better than the one of the GE 200 as it has 100db of dynamic range against 98...nevertheless you can check out the sound quality in the aforementioned video.
In my opinion the biggest differences are in the number of footswitches (that are more in the GE 250), the XLR out and the Effect loop (that are available in the GE 250): if these things are important for you, get the GE 250.
Thank you for your question!
My ge150 is very good.
Hi, thank you for sharing!
as a side note Leo watch out for white balance of your camera, it's all too much blue-ish.
Hi Paolo, actually I'm using colored lights to give a different look to the videos. I'm sorry if it was too much... Thank you for your message.
@@LeoGibsonGtr ah! I think your videos are already very good you don't need to mess with lights I guess, let the white be white 😁
while I really like your videos, I quite skip through them... I skip the initial song, that doesn't bother me (I make metal, so it's just not relevant), I skip through every real-amp comparison (again, same reason, we don't use marshall), and I skip through the specifiation comparison (we all hopefully have learned to read). So from a 18-20min video, there's about 2mins relevant left for me. Also that fixation on stereo FX loop seems to take it's path through all your videos with every time mentioning some pedal I even don't know ;)
Thank you for sharing.
180 FX in the GE250 really ?....33 FXA/B + 28 OD/DS + 3NS + 4 EQ + 9 Delay + 7 reverb....
Hi, yes, it is reported also in the user manual that you can download from Mooer web site. Thank you for your question!
@@LeoGibsonGtr I dowload the manual , and there are only 83 FX...180 FX with the amps and cabs, but cabs and amps aren't FX
Your GT300 just sounds so much darker...
Hi, to me the clean sound is very similar between the 2 units and I don't think that the 300 sounds darker, while the simulation of the JCM 800 is a little bit darker with the 300. Obviously tweaking the GE 300 you can get it clearer. Thank you for your message.
@@LeoGibsonGtr I agree with Damien, to me on my trusted old AKG 270 studio headphones the difference is quite big, the GE300 sounds muffeled compared to the GE250, surpricing that there would be such difference, but you could likely as you say tweak it to sound the same.
@@LeoGibsonGtr I'm sure it can be tweaked per patch or globally. It adds to my need to test some of these modelers. Thanks for your videos!
Thank you Damien, really appreciated!!
no drum computer for the 300...thats unexpected and a pitty
Hi, thank you for sharing your opinion!