Is Hindu hatred the reason of Indo-Pak Partition? Prof. Ishtiaq Ahmed and Shakil Chaudhary
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I am a Karachi born Hindu.We migrated to India in 1947.My Mother' left cooked meals in the kitchen.We left Karachi in a boat.We were dropped at Kandla port instead of bringing us to Mumbai. I am a Microbiologist and a Dental surgeon too. I am happy that we migrated to India and I don't have to live with JAHILS of Pakistan.
Stay blessed
Really love u sir
Rightly so.
👌👌👌
Tunhji héndú dhi khy yahan chacha
I am indian Muslim and most of Hindu r very good with Muslims.
I love my India because of its culture.
But very least Muslims are good with Hindus. This is the diffrence
Whats the use though? At the end of the day do atleast muslims like u would come in defense of the hindus in areas where they are minority? NO u simply need/want ur hindu neighbours to be good to u where they are majority but simply wouldnt fight against the injustices commited towards hindus by muslims in areas where they have majority. Why is muslim educated, elite and even the so called peaceful population so complicit and spineless to put a simple resistance against something which is wrong? Im jusf curious, is it the fear of being killed by muslim mobs or simple moral bankruptcy?
Ummah matters not regions or Boundries
Reverse is not true.
@@ramakantpanchal1536 exactly.
This video is at some different level.
I am awe-struck. I am short of words.
I will watch it a few more times at least.
Seemingly true Facts, Objective reference to history, Unbiased opinions...what more can one expect from a discussion around a matter so sensitive as Indo-Pak relations.
A must watch for "rational" people from both the sides of the boundaries.
Thank you Tahir Sahab for this content.
I am looking forward for more such deliberations with such sensible and pragmatic Intellectuals .
Thank you.
With regards.
Namastey. 🙏
All 3 great legends on one show- absolutely a treat.
This is what intellectual discussion is, with data points. Kudos to Tahir Sahib, Dr. (Prof) Ahmed, & Mr. Chaudhary.
Wonderful people, great to hear them discuss in a civil manner, compared to cacophony elsewhere. Thank you Tahir ji.
Very informative
Reading the comments by Indians shows that partition was worth it. Pakistan has to stand on its own feet. With imran khan, this may be possible.
@@hassanazad4627 same attitude what these intelligent people were lamenting about. Looks like everything went over your head.
Yaar main soch raha tha k inn musalmano se Pakistan k 4 soobey nahi sambhalte
To agar inko india ko sambhalna pada to 27 soobe kaise sambhalenge🤣🤣🙏
Dr Ambedkar's book Pakistan Or the Partition of India is also a very good book addressing the issue of partition in detail. It encompasses each and every aspect of partition. Must read for any person interested in partition history and get a good perspective and knowledge on it. Also applause to the panel for such an intellectual dialogue. Both Prof Ishtiaq Sir and Dr. Shakeel Sir were a treat to hear from. Mr Tahir a great host conducting the talk in such a wonderful manner.
Totally agree with you Rahul . nobody can reach to the level of Understanding that Dr Ambedkar had regarding Hindu -Muslim and India and Pak and Psyche of sub continent ✌️
@@akshatgoyal96 yes Bhai the great leader he never even thought about SC ST nation or OBC but asked for betterment of them through education and that is why i believe in education and ambedkar in the level of God
Its the most clear thaught expressing and reality check book on partition.
as a brahmin I deeply respect Dr Ambedkar he was very sensed about islamism and psudo secularism of nehru and gandhi when he converted he choosed to accept budhism not leaving the dharmic fold instead of converting into abrahamic faith.
This trio is a treat to watch.
Absolute intellectuals
Love from India 🇮🇳
God bless
Very insightful discussion! Thanks for taking us through depths of history and enlightening us. Looking forward to more such interactions.
What a treat, three of our favourite personalities together in one frame.. This is going to be special.. I believe Ishtiaq sahib and Shakil sahib are in Canada for the 5 Rivers Friendship forum. All three are much loved in India...I think we owe a vote of thanks to Arvind Saharan for introducing these two gems, Ishtiaq sahib and Shakil sahib, to Indian audiences.Ganganagar waaleyo 🙏.
Very intlectual discussion.but I regret to note that very basic and primary reason of enmity between both is typical interpretation of Koran in pak.
True it is a garison state.
@A B S S: Thanks for your words of appreciation.
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Hum bhi Rajasthani 🙏
Excellent mind changing video for all pakistanis to must watch and learn. Greetings from Lahore Pakistan.
Sorry Pakistanis can never change their mind for India.
*Zohaib saheb, afsos, ki aap ke jaisey log pak mein ek **_endangered species_** hain. Matlab itney kam hain ki aapki bat ki koi sunwai hi nahin hai wahan!*
@Zohaib Ghauri, Thanks.
@@ShakilChaudhary Sir I am very thankful for you, Dr Ishtiaq sir, Tahir Gora sir and all guests on your platform and TAG TV for educating and enlightening us about the reality of Pakistan and India relations, conflicts, history and it's amplications. Greetings from Lahore Pakistan
@@shreedadarwala7650 you are right brother but you see the only way forward for pakistan is to completely eliminate it's anti hindu mindset in it's state narrative and genral masses and have normal ties with India.
I am an IELTS trainer, based in Kolkata. Of late, I have been teaching many students from Pakistan and interacting with them on many issues, apart from IELTS. I find absolutely no bitterness and cordiality. But,, perhaps, all my students are young and highly educated. But, I see no hatred towards India.
Lol, Pakistanis are very good at showing their best face forwards and do the best talks. Don't take them at face value.
Use the word "Religion" and your eyes will be opened automatically
Try living there and you will know.
@@YogeshSharma-zy8uz I don't have to live anywhere, to understand minds. People like you will find Hitler an evil man, but there has been not a single leader in the history of mankind who could convert a nation from the very bottom to the power which could advance in every sphere, just in a span of a decade or less. But, people like you have a closed mind.
Please correct me if I’m wrong how23%hindus come 1% 428 temples during partition comes to 10th at also in ruins
Tahir, what a wonderful program. Your program contents are always good, but today it's wonderful. Every single sentence of the contents deserves thumbs up. It was really really good contents. Bring these intellectuals together more often. Also sincere appreciation to Five Rivers Forum to help put it together.
Soon Modi will stiffle Pakistan by squeezing these five rivers...
This is what we call an Intellectual Discussions. 🇮🇳 media can also learn from this…🙏
As a Pakistani living in USA I must say we need to change the school history curriculum/Syllabus and teach the kids the truth about themselves. We have big identity crisis and Islamic ignorance if not tamed, then Pakistan will domed completely. Neither there will be recovery or rescue. Love the content and must respect to all three intellectual contributors for their honesty and unbiased dialogue.
Hello 😊☺️❤️
Bhai you forgot one thing , the most important one, the root cause, Islam
It was Zia Ul Haq who sowed the seeds of the Pakistan crisis today . In the 1980s, he brought in religious nationalism as the identity for Pakistan. This has made real issues of modern education, health, security , economy get overlooked and go out of the window.
@The Journey- Voyage of Life for the most part, I agree.
@@trilokyamohanchakra6351You are right, Islam is the root cause, its time for it to answer for Numerous sins committed by its followers in the name of religion
محترم طائر صاحب رب کریم آپ کو اجر کریم عطا فرمائے اتنے عظیم لوگوں کے علم اور خیالات کو مجھ جیسے کم علم اور بہت سے تاریخ سے ناآشنا لوگوں کو درست سمت کی طرف راغب کرنے کا شکریہ
I am from South India. I have learnt many information. My salutation to all three of you. Super discussion.
Really a thought provoking discussion , thanks to all participants
Prof Ishtiaq: always data-driven and factual analysis.
Shakil sahab: Amazing 😍
In this Situation we can not Trust on You
All the Time Pakistani Govt Poke Nife in the Back of India
Send the Pakistani army back to the barracks to solve the problems
And Tahir Sir is at his gentlemanly best.
Prof need to know the political ideology of Islam (Muslims)that threatens Hindus on Hindus prospective.
His recent trip to Bharat miserably failed. In which world he is living I don't know. Prophably he might have cell difficiancy in his brain.
Prof. Ishtiaq is data-driven & does factual analysis on history. But, He's too much idealistic & Eutopian for current era.
Three incredible people who put humanity above everything else
Thanks to Prof. Ishtiaq Ahmed, Janab Shakil Chaudhary and Janab Tahir Gora for presenting such a great discussion. These intellectuals having vivid knowledge and huge R&D work behind in Indo-pak relations today probably touched a new height in their own right.
Good to see all three of you at one stage and to understand our history......thanks 🙏
It's a unique experience to have three gems in one frame. great discussion .
Thanks Tahir Saab
What a beautiful and true analysis of Indo Pak relationship by Professor Istiyaq Ahmed, Mr. Shakeel Choudhary and Mr. Tahir Gora.
The best show that I have watched so far in my lifetime!!! Big eye opener . I seriously hope and pray that Pakistan is blessed with leaders with brains !!!
He not only mentions the contributions of Hindus to the infrastructure of Lahore, but also mentions the deep study of the Koran Sharif by Hindu intellectuals, including some who became Hafeez, and reminds us of the Husseini Brahmins, whose courage and bravery is so well known to all. Marvellous expression of a broad-minded and generous point of view.
This is one of the best non-biased discussions I have heard in a long time with the esteemed Dr. Ahmed and Mr. Chaudhary. Thank you Mr. Gora for arranging and sharing this wonderful discussion with all of us. Unfortunately I don't see any peace forthcoming from Pakistan as they have been living in an utopia which will not materialize. In the meantime the military and mullahs own the bankrupt country and democracy lies in a dirty ditch somewhere, the people suffer and life goes on. India has carried on and progressed and will continue to achieve more development, power and respect in the world. Wish things were simpler.
Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.
Quran 9:29
Indian media should have discussions like this instead of yelling and shouting without allowing a thought to seep into hearts and minds.Kudos to these professors.
You'll not find Muslims leadership which is as calm as this group
Indian social media is far better and vast. Watch jaipur dialogue channel on UA-cam
आप टिनोके दिलकीबात होठोपे है कि आप मातृ भूमिकी सूरतेहाल पे बहोत नाराज़ और मायूस है,सुधारकी कोई राह नज़र नही आती,सुज़ाव है मगर कौन चाहता है जहाँ हिन्दू प्रति पूरी नफरत भरी है।जिनेटिकॉली हैम सब एक ही होते हुए मज़हब हावी है।सबको बहुत ही धन्यवाद।आगे भी मिले और चर्चा जारी रखे।
Historical speech of 3 in 1.
ZABARDUST,
❤ & regards to all of you from the people of 🇮🇳.
Greetings from the west coast of Canada and thank you for your valuable information. It's a pleasure to listen to you all. I've listened to Professor Ishtiaq Ahmed and Tahir Gora before. It's the first time I've seen Shakil Chaudhary. Again - a pleasure.
shakil chaudhary is a gem of a person..you must follow his youtube channel with same name
the critical patriot is the name of shakils sahabs youtube channel
@@ishanbhardwaj3256 Thanks
@@ishanbhardwaj3256 Thanks
@Jyalmen Sidhho, Thanks for your compliment. Let me introduce the Five Rivers Friendship Forum to you and other friends.
ua-cam.com/video/5K6ceO3ZG7Q/v-deo.html
my parents migrated from india to pakistan and i am so happy they did when i see the plight of muslims in india today
Salman Shahrukh Amir sab Beth mangrein hai .kitne INDIAN MUSLIMS PAKISTAN KI CITIZENSHIP KEH LIYE APPLY KIYEIN HAI
Not even one Indian Muslim will come to Pakistan even if you offer
Citizenship .
Indian muslims are most peaceful blessed happy among whole muslim world.
@@harris566 what a great lie and disinformation
@@hasanmiraj6182 ....Has any body gone ????
But Pakistan minorities came in large numbers..
A very informatic healthy discussion. Kudos to all three great historian. Such people are the best for new generation to read and follow
Tahir sir, I just love the way you speak... So polite and humble...
I am a Delhi person so polite is not there...
And yes Ishtiaq sir and Shakil sir were so brilliant at making us understand their point of view with references...
I hope Pakistani people do watch your videos a lot and are getting educated meanwhile... Respect 🙏
Wow! What an amazingly honest conversation. True heroes, all three. I am hardline, but have melted after this. Irrespective of whether we see relationships improve between two countries in our lifetime, all of you have healed and grown yourselves by acknowledging the truth. And carved this path for others too if they want to walk on it. If there is life beyond you all have earned a honorable seat in it. Lives being well lived indeed. The least all the viewers can do is include these gentlemen in their prayers for their well being. Thank you dear Sirs. Be safe and well.
But the sad part is majority of the Pakistani population don't listen to these gems. And don't pay any heed. Their discussion heals all the wounds of past and melt us, but the reality is different. Pakistani Punjabi Sunni Muslim have immense hatred for Hindus and India. And this is 💯 truth.
@@Vk-sk7nm Can relations between the two countries improve or normalise now? If not, the reason? To me, the three panelists have pointed at them but not stated bluntly.
The panelists have agreed that the two nation theory has failed and that Pakistan was created on the basis of hatred. But there are two more reasons which go along with these. First, the elites and politicians of Pakistan have painted Bharat as their enemy no.1 and towards this end they have made Hindus as enemies of Islam. Second, the elites and politicians of Pakistan have foisted on the Pakistani madarsa system of education. This has stunted the rationale thinking of the Pakistanis. Third, again, the elites and politicians of Pakistan have allowed the fringe to become the mainstream. These three ailments have afflicted the muslim intelligentsia of Bharat too.
Sadly, Bharat is following suit in one aspect (I am talking of Hinndus). The fringe in Bharat is, more and more, asserting as the mainstream. I shudder to think of the consequences for Bharat if this trend continues for 10 years.
I have never accepted Jinnah's. pathetic EXCUSE for Partition! Beyond that I even suspect Jinnah's plot to marry his friend;'s daughter and how he set his friend up to surrender Rattna Bai!
Rattan Bai!
Bengalis punjabis have suffered partition. Not all india. Kashmiris are still suffering. Hindu muslim is not a problem,
problem is poverty ,
colonization, British
Really impressed with the quality discussion. Thanks for sharing this
Fantastic discussion.love to hear next time.
Respected professors, existential threat /hate Idia / Kashmir is the policy of the ruling elite being carried since long and its in their interest to maintain the status quo . So one can only dream of better times!
Muslims learnt thatThey were born to dominate and enslave Hindus.That is thew driving force that led to their notions of Muslim superiority buttressed by their sense of having ruled "India" for 700+/- over Hindus.Really fooling themselves as History and current state of Pk shows.Jinnah was a narrow-minded fool!
Agreed, but almost all Pakistani awaam follow and reflect on their elite's narrative. Elites are just 1-2% of any given nations population, who control majority resources and assets of the nation, but problem with Pakistan is no one is ready to stand up against their elites's rule. Even after realising that "this is not true".
Very informative talks
Thanks lot to all three great persons. Learn many things of the history of Division of subcontinent. Discussion should continue in future.
What a brilliant piece of history lesson
It is very informed and worthy discussion between all of three great intellectuals and a lot of things to learn.
Two of the greatest thinkers and a great most intellectual host 🏵️.
Political scientists of highest order..my regards to Istiaq sir & Shakeel sir🙏 what a sync between the anchor & the esteemed guests....now days such type of interview is very rarely seen 🙏👍 Tahir sir, thank you so much.
A very detailed and factual discussion. Also very respectful and measured. Lovely episode. I just hope both countries can work together for a better future
I have never seen such a well integrated discussion. Hats off 🙏🙏
Kya baat hai sir. Great to see u all together and having this great discussion.All the best to your new initiative on 5 river friendship.
One of the finest and enlightening discussion , thanks Tahir Gora Sir 🙏
Excellent discussion and analysis. Very informative for the present generation.
Wonderful conversation indeed !!! At least there are a few Pakistanis who don't fear to confess the truth !!! 👍👍👍
Those lucky souls stay abroad.
An excellent interaction. I was pleasantly surprised by such balanced views shared by the two guests. There IS hope for Pakistan.
I don’t have any
Main problem is : Is**l*am. Wherever this is there , there is no peace and only poverty, violence.
No hope for Pakistan and Islam...
आप तीनों विद्वान बहुत काबिलेतारीफ हैं।
बहुतबहुत शुक्रिया।
Congratulations, you all three should be invited and share these historical facts to our citizens ..both Muslim and Hindu including all Sikhs, Bengalis . That will help all to understand historical as well as current and it will definitely help all of us citizens to stay with more peace , love and understanding.
Sir, I feel very positively satisfied after viewing your noble untired efforts to improve relations between India and Pakistan. Sir please don't be desperate because you are serving the humanity with heart and soul along with physically .
Chand milta nahin sabko sansar mein,he diya hee bahut roshni ke liye. Thanks
Very very neutral discussion, excellent, but changing radical mindset is impossible Sir
Join #Sachwala .
Rajesh भाई ये discussions हो रही है क्यूंकि पाकिस्तान की fatti पडी है. पाकिस्तान को aaj China का साथ khulkar मिल जाए तो यहीं UA-camr intellectual नहीं kahunga इनको यहीं China का gungan kar rahe होते.
@@donaldtramp38 yeh log Pakistan Liberals hai
@@rishavkumar1250 ghante के Liberal
@@donaldtramp38 Tujhe aisa लगता hoga, Muslim विरुद्ध hote होते ab toh common sense ke विरुद्ध bhi ho gaye
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Great discussion of the great peoples. Big salute from Sikkim India 🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🌺🌹💐💞💞💞
Sikkim is integral part of India ❤ land of Dhamma
It is indeed a treat to listen from the most intellectuals Dr. Prof. Ishtiaq Sir. And Shakeel Sir. You are our last hopes in this subcontinent during this disturbing time. Thank You Sir. My Pronam.
Just finished Prof. Istiaqs book on Jinnah. Very detailed, open minded, vivid and scholarly. We are lucky to have him at this discussion.
From all three, well said. GOD BLESS YOU ALL.
What is the use?
Insightful. Already t o hear u all.
Wonderful! Lovely podcast; want more of the same. Please!
Tahir sab , this video is simply superb. No words to describe how good it is. I wish you will organise more discussions bringing these two gentlemen together. Thanks to you and to them. Fountain of history knowledge
What a discussion. Really loved it. Please keep it up...
Very enlightening conversation with two highly knowledgeable panelists. Good job by the host as well. I got to know many facets of history that were unknown to me
The Hindu hatred in Pakistan is so strong that Pakistanis show affection for Sikhs but not even for Punjabi Hindus. Has anyone else noticed this?
… because they think they can wean away the Sikhs with a promise of Khalistan and create a “B’desh” on the body of Indian Nation.
The Hindu is considered to be the eternal, mortal enemy.
To impress them for khalistan movement, a independent Indian Punjab will be slave of Pakistan's Punjab
They r all same . They recognise evil in Sikhs as potential for harming india.
@@ayeshakawakil845 ji, that's true, but we are not going to fall for their bullshit. We can see through it very clearly. Hindus and Sikhs are agnates, and this attempt by Pakistanis to drive a wedge looks a bit funny.
@@ayeshakawakil845 right
Awesome discussion much respect for professor Dr Ishtiaq jee and all of you
All the 3 experts (including the Interviewer); are simply superb! My compliments & salute to them! As a Indian nationalist Indian - fully supporting our present Government stand; I visualise that Indo-Pak issue can be fully resolved - for the benefit to both our countries; if your esteemed views can be guidelines for Pakistan Government!
Thanks! 🙏
Gora sahab , Kamal ka episode hai ye , mja aa gaya . Thank for this program.
Salute to all 3 luminaries
Great thinking
Tough introspection
Unfortunately out of homeland
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What a highly intelectual discussion and extremely fair, pleasure to participate
Enlightening discussions indeed.
Many many thanks for this treat Tahir ji... To see 3 knowledgeable and veteran persons together was a treat for me...
As you said, keep on doing programs with these 2 scholars.
What a great talk/ discussion. True knowledge has been shared. A lot of things from the past have come through this discussion. Thanks to all of you for such an honest review.
I am delighted to listen this very informative discussion. More so speakers were unbiased and gave true picture. My salute to all of you
Thanks for such an honest, informed and well intended discussion!
What a treat to watch Prof Ishtiyaq, Dr Shakeel and Gora saheb physically deliberating Indo-Pak relations!! Well done Five River Freindship Forum and Sharma Saheb🙏🙏
I have been listening to all three eminent gentlemen...Mr. Gora TAG TV for many many years ..and recently in the last 2 years Dr.Ishtiaq Ahmed and Mr. Shakil Chaudhry very regularly when they began their UA-cam channels ....and have a huge respect and liking for all of them. It is such a relief to listen to such calm and rational voices and I hope that they can achieve the peace and harmony and actually the simple fun and laughter that indeed we can share ...Indians and Pakistanis...after all ...we are of the same land. I fully support the new venture of the Five Rivers Friendship project.
Learned more about history than history books through this conversation.
History books are all lies whitewashing congress.
Thank you for the show.
I appreciate all of you... We all r Indian's...
Such a great conversation
Great to hear that, two scholars giving true facts about our relationship with Pakistan.
Nice topics and good discussion. Thanks to all of you for narrating important issues of the region in view of past, future & present.
I am really feeling proud that listening three great thinkers and most intellectual personalities of Pakistan
Why are you proud?
What is your achievement?
Listening to them?
@@1aarora भाई मूर्ख जाहिल हिंदू ऐसे ही होते हैं।
@@1aarora Deep down… the speakers love Pakistan and are having this discussion for the benefit of Pakistan and not India. I think he meant he is proud of India, which is fine.
@@Pearls103 how kind that you want to interpret someone else’s statement for me. I think I’m fine in the field of reading comprehension.
Is he under 18 yrs of age and not responsible for his actions that you feel the need to clarify his statement.
Pride/being proud, is a very strong subjective feeling.
Should one be proud (Hindi-Ghamandi) at all?
If yes, then only of one’s achievements.
How can one be proud of someone else’s achievements remains a mystery to me.
@@1aarora Arora sahib, thora thand rakhiye
Thank you for this important and unbiased dialogue!
Discussion between intellectual people...
Only facts no useless talk
Please keep doing this kind of podcasts
Love from India ❤❤
Legendry episode. Three pillar of intellectual together. Thnks to Tahir saab. Love and respect From India 🙏🏻🇮🇳😎
Cheema ko bhi bulawo yaha
@@RAVI22ize Arrest karke ?
@@RAVI22ize wo aajkal rana ayuub ko date kar raha hai.
@@sourav2124 😄😄😄😄😄
@@sourav2124 😂😂😂😂
There can be no program better than this on these issues. Kudos to all participants.
Best video.... Love and respect from India🇮🇳
Great discussion indeed..
Sensible points put forward by three sensible persons. Hope peace prevails in these countries
Great to see three great personalities together in one frame delightful discussion & their concerns keep alive My full support 🙏
Fantastic. I'm indebted to learn so much.
Have seen 25 mins..Nice to see reasonable voices... Straight forward..and from the heart..
Fantastic episode tahir sir..please keep bringing such guests and increase your channel video frequency too
Looking forward for more meeting with these three people , This should be never ending actaully. Waiting for next episode desperately
Sir, you are right `अखँड भारत` विशवास और प्यार से रहे!
Conversation is v truthful, n v ery healthy conversation with good scholars love ❤from India
One of the best discussions I have ever seen. Thanks for your effort!
Itni badiya debate aaitak kabi nhi dekhi,
Thanks a lot for showing this show
Very interesting discussion 👌thanks
You guys are the jewel in the subcontinent crown . Thank you for your discussions .