I had a weihrauch hw 77 in the 80's and must have put 20,000 pellets through it without cleaning the barrel. The rifle shot faultlessly to a point of me winning the NW junior's open in 85 . The good old days.
I cleaned my barrel once with a pull through and lost all grouping. It took nearly 50/60 pellets to get any sort of accuracy back again. That is the last time I clean my air gun barrel
I’ve done some testing on this. I found that you can find a pellet that groups well when the barrel is fouled and won’t shoot well with a clean bore but also with the same gun it’s possible to find a pellet that does the opposite-shoots better when clean and eventually goes off when fouling reaches a point. Only problem I can see with never cleaning is if you go out in damp conditions. If you just leave it there’s a possibility of rust and corrosion. Barrels from different manufacturers will rust easier than others. It’s far easier and cheaper and much more fun to run 50 pellets through and see the groups come together than replacing a rusty barrel.
Hi, I have a Patchworm pull through kit, far better than the Napier or any other pull through, because of the round grommet that pulls the pad through, evenly distributing the pad on the rifling. Highly recommended. Thanks
One solution doesn’t work for all but in my opinion, yes! you absolutely should clean your gun. Cleaned mine tonight with a Napier pull through and it’s shooting like a totally different gun. I was losing my grouping but now it’s grouping better than it ever has before.
I am pleased I saw this. In 40 years I have never cleaned a barrel. To be honest I have only just started to wash some of my pellets. That's only because the Superdomes I put through one rifle, leave your fingers filthy. If Mr. Doe says, "If it isn't broke, don't fix it. " Who are we to argue. Thankyou.
Quite new to air gunning bout 5 years in currently own Remmington sabre .177 Hw100T .177 Brk ghost .177 I never really cleaned my hw100 and it never suffered with accuracy issues same with my ghost only had roughly 400-450 through it both rifles bought from new and havent even been cleaned from them coming out the box.. Once watched a video of a few old timers sat round a table advising not to clean but to regularly shoot them the pellet does all the cleaning you need Thats just my take on it but i may well be wrong
A tip given to me recently is to turn the rifle upside down when pulling through to avoid the gun oil dropping into the transfer port. Some oils can be corrosive to the seals, so minimising contact with difficult to reach seals is advisable. Terry?
i've commented on multiple channels about not cleaning unless the gun isnt accurate and even then just running a patch through using the trimmer line method then shooting repeating until accurate. thanx for this vid👍
I recently purchased a HW97 from a well respected gun shop, and the member of staff is also a highly competent HFT shooter. When i asked about cleaning the barrel (in particular a new air rifle) he said "absolutely not necessary, leave it alone."
Have my Hw97k for about 8 years never cleaned the barrel shoots like a tack driver. Agreed don't clean it if it's shooting well, you'll probably only introduce problems.
I feel like I should clear this up for everybody 😂 This was the way my dad was taught in the British Army, he was showing me the way he was taught. I think the theory behind it, is that the boiling water removes not just powder, but also grease and dirt, making it easier and more effective to remove the lead when the pull throughs go through afterwards (not trying to melt the lead out) Continue with the tight pull throughs until they squeak through the barrel.
@@CattyShackHunterprobably stems from the martini Henry days in the late 1800s , I dont think a lead bullet has been used in combat since then by the British Army , only the webley. 455 service revolver , all rifles to my knowledge since then have been FMJ with lead core 👍👍👍
I'm not actually disagreeing with you mate am I, I just said theres not really no point in boiling out a rifle barrel for lead fouling when its been firing a FMJ bullet, no lead has had contact with the lands in the barrel , and your dads rifle was either and old .303 or a 7.62mm both FMJ when he was in the army , they probably just hadn't changed the cleaning drill in his regiment. All the best mate 👍👍🍻@@CattyShackHunter
Thank you great video. I have seen people using the fibre cleaning pellets SVG to clean their barrel. Can they be used with a drop of cleaning oil (Napier Power Oil) as well as dry ?
Before modern primers were discovered, fulminate of mercury was used. That was why barrels were boiled out, i believe, to prevent rusting. This obviously applies to firearms of years gone by.
If your point of impact drifts when you don't clean your barrel then clean it. If it doesn't then don't. I just pull a dry patch through the barrel of my HW97 when I open a new tin of pellets, it seems to drift a tiny bit with the pellets I'm using after five hundred or so, I do the same with my HW100 whenever I give it a proper clean, maybe two or three times a year, but it seems unaffected by a bit of leading.
It depends what barrel you have and if your gun is already shooting spot on , if it’s spot on just leave it now if you have a FX smooth twist this is a conversation
I don't remember ever cleaning an air gun barrel, if you shoot a pellet at a piece of cardboard close up after oiling the barrel, you'll see the oil splatter has taken some lead dust with it. And no, I'm only talking about a drop of oil, not half a gallon !
When I started shooting pcp air rifle roughly 12 years ago I cleaned my barrel probably once a months, I didn't see any improvement. The gun I shoot most often hasn't been cleaned in 10 years with no change at all in accuracy
Pellet goes down the barrel, leaves a bit of lead, a bit of lubricant and a bit of anti- oxidant behind. Next pellet squishes out the bits and leaves its own bits behind. The next pellet...
If,like me, You use iron sights and am 77 years of age; there is little difference between a good day and a bad day! I can group on a fiver at 25 yards unless i,m on beta-blockers!.Joking!...I have a splendid Weihrauch 99s.!.. LA5 Warton
😂😂 It’s true. While this wouldn’t have been my first port of call to clean the barrel, this is the way my Dad was showing me, and how he was taught in the British Army…to aid in the removal of lead (not just powder) from the rifling. I believe it’s to clear out dirt and grease, making the lead easier to remove with the subsequent pull throughs. Keep going with a tight pull through, until it squeaks. The gun hadn’t ever been cleaned in 20 years, and if he wanted to share the way he was taught, I wasn’t going to disagree. After reading more on the subject, it seems to hold some merit.
@@CattyShackHunterI use hot soapy water on my black powder stuff , your dads .303 was more than likely still using older cordite loaded rounds which was dirtier than powder ,, so yes it makes some sence, the cordite rounds was headstamped for Identification, fair play for letting your dad show you his ways , the later .303 rounds was all FMJ with lead core but the cordite was dirty , if he used the 7.62 mm Fal ,they was all FMJ and clean burning 👍👍🍻🍻
@@manofkentcatapultsgunsando5069 Not so much the powder but the primers corrosive action I think the primer chemical's were changed in the 50-60s Hence the boiling out of Barrels My brother did his National service in 51 and told me about it
@@leehotspur9679 yes mate Absolutely a mixture of primer and propellant for fouling the bore , I dont think a solid lead bullet has been used in combat since the late 1800s except in small sidearms, in ww1 the webley. 455 still used a lead slug and I think the last rifle to use one was the martini Henry in .577 ask any Zulu 😵 even so even a FMJ I have no doubt can strip and leave some sort of copper slick between the lands , interesting stuff ,I love it 👍🍻
…and never put Kroil on the pull thru… or any other highly volatile oil / solvent… the flash point is so low and the risk of migrating into the air cylinder too high that dieselling is guaranteed, not good at all 👍
I had a weihrauch hw 77 in the 80's and must have put 20,000 pellets through it without cleaning the barrel. The rifle shot faultlessly to a point of me winning the NW junior's open in 85 . The good old days.
I cleaned my barrel once with a pull through and lost all grouping. It took nearly 50/60 pellets to get any sort of accuracy back again. That is the last time I clean my air gun barrel
That what is meant 2 happen
That’s because you didn’t clean it properly. 1 pull through isn’t enough.
Only vlean it if you have sudden accuracy issues. If its shooting fine then leave it be.
I’ve done some testing on this. I found that you can find a pellet that groups well when the barrel is fouled and won’t shoot well with a clean bore but also with the same gun it’s possible to find a pellet that does the opposite-shoots better when clean and eventually goes off when fouling reaches a point.
Only problem I can see with never cleaning is if you go out in damp conditions. If you just leave it there’s a possibility of rust and corrosion. Barrels from different manufacturers will rust easier than others. It’s far easier and cheaper and much more fun to run 50 pellets through and see the groups come together than replacing a rusty barrel.
Hi, I have a Patchworm pull through kit, far better than the Napier or any other pull through, because of the round grommet that pulls the pad through, evenly distributing the pad on the rifling. Highly recommended. Thanks
One solution doesn’t work for all but in my opinion, yes! you absolutely should clean your gun. Cleaned mine tonight with a Napier pull through and it’s shooting like a totally different gun. I was losing my grouping but now it’s grouping better than it ever has before.
I am pleased I saw this. In 40 years I have never cleaned a barrel. To be honest I have only just started to wash some of my pellets. That's only because the Superdomes I put through one rifle, leave your fingers filthy. If Mr. Doe says, "If it isn't broke, don't fix it. " Who are we to argue. Thankyou.
Quite new to air gunning bout 5 years in currently own
Remmington sabre .177
Hw100T .177
Brk ghost .177
I never really cleaned my hw100 and it never suffered with accuracy issues same with my ghost only had roughly 400-450 through it both rifles bought from new and havent even been cleaned from them coming out the box..
Once watched a video of a few old timers sat round a table advising not to clean but to regularly shoot them the pellet does all the cleaning you need
Thats just my take on it but i may well be wrong
A tip given to me recently is to turn the rifle upside down when pulling through to avoid the gun oil dropping into the transfer port. Some oils can be corrosive to the seals, so minimising contact with difficult to reach seals is advisable. Terry?
That is a top tip...
I was advised by local air gun experts to leave it alone. All three of my rifles still shoot solid groups.
...unless accuracy opens up. Thats the whole point he is making.
i've commented on multiple channels about not cleaning unless the gun isnt accurate and even then just running a patch through using the trimmer line method then shooting repeating until accurate.
thanx for this vid👍
This channel should start with this is how I do it, you do it how you want to do it. Both would be correct.
Terry Doe, I listen when he speaks. A question. Does the same advice still hold for something like an FX smooth twist barrel?
I recently purchased a HW97 from a well respected gun shop, and the member of staff is also a highly competent HFT shooter.
When i asked about cleaning the barrel (in particular a new air rifle) he said "absolutely not necessary, leave it alone."
Have my Hw97k for about 8 years never cleaned the barrel shoots like a tack driver. Agreed don't clean it if it's shooting well, you'll probably only introduce problems.
I feel like I should clear this up for everybody 😂 This was the way my dad was taught in the British Army, he was showing me the way he was taught. I think the theory behind it, is that the boiling water removes not just powder, but also grease and dirt, making it easier and more effective to remove the lead when the pull throughs go through afterwards (not trying to melt the lead out) Continue with the tight pull throughs until they squeak through the barrel.
Dont worry in Ten years everyone will have forgotten you said it 😂👍
@ 😂😂 Have a read around on the net, it seems to be a very common practice for lead removal.
@@CattyShackHunterprobably stems from the martini Henry days in the late 1800s , I dont think a lead bullet has been used in combat since then by the British Army , only the webley. 455 service revolver , all rifles to my knowledge since then have been FMJ with lead core 👍👍👍
@@manofkentcatapultsgunsando5069 people are still recommending this method today for the removal of lead fouling 🤷♂️
I'm not actually disagreeing with you mate am I, I just said theres not really no point in boiling out a rifle barrel for lead fouling when its been firing a FMJ bullet, no lead has had contact with the lands in the barrel , and your dads rifle was either and old .303 or a 7.62mm both FMJ when he was in the army , they probably just hadn't changed the cleaning drill in his regiment. All the best mate 👍👍🍻@@CattyShackHunter
Thank you great video. I have seen people using the fibre cleaning pellets SVG to clean their barrel. Can they be used with a drop of cleaning oil (Napier Power Oil) as well as dry ?
There clean and polished.
Different game,
All Ripley's have a polish when new in steve,s shed. ;)
Before modern primers were discovered, fulminate of mercury was used. That was why barrels were boiled out, i believe, to prevent rusting. This obviously applies to firearms of years gone by.
I still use warm soapy water to clean blackpowder residues out of my shotgun👍
If your point of impact drifts when you don't clean your barrel then clean it. If it doesn't then don't. I just pull a dry patch through the barrel of my HW97 when I open a new tin of pellets, it seems to drift a tiny bit with the pellets I'm using after five hundred or so, I do the same with my HW100 whenever I give it a proper clean, maybe two or three times a year, but it seems unaffected by a bit of leading.
Just that one finger raised on the thumbnail got a sub.🤘
And your voice reminds me of John/Lofty Wiseman.
It depends what barrel you have and if your gun is already shooting spot on , if it’s spot on just leave it now if you have a FX smooth twist this is a conversation
I only pull something through barrel if been out in damp conditions.
I don't remember ever cleaning an air gun barrel, if you shoot a pellet at a piece of cardboard close up after oiling the barrel, you'll see the oil splatter has taken some lead dust with it. And no, I'm only talking about a drop of oil, not half a gallon !
When I started shooting pcp air rifle roughly 12 years ago I cleaned my barrel probably once a months, I didn't see any improvement. The gun I shoot most often hasn't been cleaned in 10 years with no change at all in accuracy
How many pellets a week do you put through it I’m doing 500-1000.
About one tin per air rifle a week in two of my most often used air rifles
Trust your gun. I never change scope or ammo when I find a mix that works with a given gun. If it is working well, it doesn't need any attention
Pellet goes down the barrel, leaves a bit of lead, a bit of lubricant and a bit of anti- oxidant behind. Next pellet squishes out the bits and leaves its own bits behind. The next pellet...
Back in the day you could get cleaning pellets
If,like me, You use iron sights and am 77 years of age; there is little difference between a good day and a bad day! I can group on a fiver at 25 yards unless i,m on beta-blockers!.Joking!...I have a splendid Weihrauch 99s.!.. LA5 Warton
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😂😂Do leave off ,i dont believe for 1 second WM put boiling water down an air rifle barrel , it must of been a black powder air rifle 😂
😂😂 It’s true. While this wouldn’t have been my first port of call to clean the barrel, this is the way my Dad was showing me, and how he was taught in the British Army…to aid in the removal of lead (not just powder) from the rifling. I believe it’s to clear out dirt and grease, making the lead easier to remove with the subsequent pull throughs. Keep going with a tight pull through, until it squeaks. The gun hadn’t ever been cleaned in 20 years, and if he wanted to share the way he was taught, I wasn’t going to disagree. After reading more on the subject, it seems to hold some merit.
@@CattyShackHunterI use hot soapy water on my black powder stuff , your dads .303 was more than likely still using older cordite loaded rounds which was dirtier than powder ,, so yes it makes some sence, the cordite rounds was headstamped for Identification, fair play for letting your dad show you his ways , the later .303 rounds was all FMJ with lead core but the cordite was dirty , if he used the 7.62 mm Fal ,they was all FMJ and clean burning 👍👍🍻🍻
@@manofkentcatapultsgunsando5069 Not so much the powder but the primers corrosive action I think the primer chemical's were changed in the 50-60s Hence the boiling out of Barrels My brother did his National service in 51 and told me about it
@@leehotspur9679 yes mate Absolutely a mixture of primer and propellant for fouling the bore , I dont think a solid lead bullet has been used in combat since the late 1800s except in small sidearms, in ww1 the webley. 455 still used a lead slug and I think the last rifle to use one was the martini Henry in .577 ask any Zulu 😵 even so even a FMJ I have no doubt can strip and leave some sort of copper slick between the lands , interesting stuff ,I love it 👍🍻
…and never put Kroil on the pull thru… or any other highly volatile oil / solvent… the flash point is so low and the risk of migrating into the air cylinder too high that dieselling is guaranteed, not good at all 👍
High pressure air makes condensation (water) when you shoot.. change in temp.. (water). Water and your barrels doesnt go. Clean the f barrel.😂😂😂
Hilarious 😂….
I cleaned the barrel of an hw35e and it shot all over the place
Boiling water... Good lord, what's next dear boy.. Fairy liquid 😳
A Karcher pressure washer. 😂😂
Soon as he said technically complicated subject I left 😂
"BOILING WATER" ???????? !!!!!!!!!
What a load of old shit
Do you use toilet paper for your barrels 😆
Certainly living up to his name 😂
guy is to funny, terry knows not a lot