The Baroque Violin and the Modern Violin: Similar, but very Different

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  • @CitizenRacecar
    @CitizenRacecar 8 років тому +506

    What a shame that he didn't play them! I want to hear the two sounds side by side!

    • @071949
      @071949 8 років тому +13

      +David Hoffman Agreed! It really would have enhanced the 'lesson' a lot. 04/28/2016

    • @treatb09
      @treatb09 8 років тому +6

      the baroque have less time to draw a note out, and sound squeaky when you do, so you get shorter notes played on them.

    • @evperkins2947
      @evperkins2947 7 років тому

      Bo Huggabee p

    • @OddaWhite
      @OddaWhite 7 років тому +4

      Not any practical example? What a shame

    • @Music2Die4
      @Music2Die4 7 років тому +6

      One of the violins was broke and needed repair..... Could be why no comparison was done.

  • @ellooku
    @ellooku 5 років тому +77

    Well you forgot to play it. Sound matters too.

  • @therealzilch
    @therealzilch 9 років тому +39

    Nicely explained. Just one suggestion- if you want your clipin bow to last a long time without repair, you shouldn't click the frog in and out as you did in this video- that makes for a lot of wear and tear at the front of the frog and slot. Bend the bow so there's no tension on the hair first.
    cheers from a bowmaker who's built and repaired many clipin bows.

  • @ivyssauro123
    @ivyssauro123 9 років тому +11

    Very instructive! Thanks!
    Only thing you could have added someone playing the baroque violin, and the modern one for comparison.

  • @everb-ey7ps
    @everb-ey7ps 7 років тому +72

    What a letdown to not demonstrate their sounds.

  • @diegofotuche
    @diegofotuche 10 років тому +1

    This is my Favorite Video on UA-cam. Very informative, and better than reading a book about violin.
    Thank you, keep doing excellence.

  • @Cosporcos-Q
    @Cosporcos-Q 7 років тому +40

    If it ain't baroque, don't fix it!
    I'll see myself out

    • @rico6546
      @rico6546 4 роки тому +1

      Daniel Pedersen r/wooooooosh

  • @ari4340
    @ari4340 5 років тому +3

    I'm getting this channel on my recommended nine years later, what a shame that it's abandoned!

  • @jasmine543210
    @jasmine543210 13 років тому +6

    Very informative video but could you post another where you play the baroque violin with a baroque bow alongside a modern one so that we could hear the difference?

  • @chrispypancake
    @chrispypancake 10 років тому +1

    I enjoyed that talk. I'm no musician but it's good to understand the differences between the older violin and the more modern incarnation of the same instrument. It would have helped had there been sound to demonstrate how different they are but I'm sure there are other videos to watch which will give that information. Thanks.

  • @hopefulhyena3400
    @hopefulhyena3400 3 роки тому +6

    Whenever I see someone else holding a violin, I always think they look bigger than I expect, but then when I hold a violin in my hands, it feels incredibly small.

  • @Jesuswinsbirdofmichigan
    @Jesuswinsbirdofmichigan 2 роки тому +1

    Wow, every generation gets an easier way. I bought-up the remaining (local) supply of "flint" to learn to make my own ignition flints for a muzzle loader. Guess the percussion cap is not "cool", well I now respect our founding pioneers a bunch more. Great video and this knowledge is valuable.

  • @PseudoResonance
    @PseudoResonance 7 років тому +4

    I got to try playing a half million dollar plus Amati violin, and it was just amazing. Very interesting how different it was from my modern (and cheaper...) violins that I own. Sounded spectacular too of course for a price tag that high.

  • @chocobo2743
    @chocobo2743 13 років тому +9

    aawwww and all this time i was waiting for you to play it :(

  • @rosieposie1760
    @rosieposie1760 2 роки тому

    I'm in a music appreciation course. Because we are remote, I wasn't able to really tell the difference from the lecture. But this vid really made it clear. Thanks!

  • @MariadeBsAs
    @MariadeBsAs 7 років тому +14

    What's the name of the beautiful harpsichord piece at the start and end? Does anybody know? Thanks!

  • @Checkmate1138
    @Checkmate1138 7 років тому

    Sad to hear you guys disbanded! I wish you had kept your website available too!

  • @vinta1371
    @vinta1371 7 років тому +5

    You guys should do a video on natural horns vs modern horns

  • @IamUncledeuce
    @IamUncledeuce 7 років тому +4

    I have to ask a question. Stradivarius and other older violins made during the Baroque Period which continue to be played today in a modern setup would mean that those old instruments of high-value have been altered. Why then does that not affect the price negatively as they are no longer in their original configuration?
    Antique furniture for example if altered or refinished takes a huge drop in value from an original piece that has not been tampered with.

    • @jhontran
      @jhontran 5 років тому +1

      As wood instruments mature and age, the wood opens up and produces a much richer, brighter sound, which causes increases in value

    • @kcgunesq
      @kcgunesq 5 років тому

      @@jhontran Prove it.

  • @RockStarOscarStern634
    @RockStarOscarStern634 3 роки тому +1

    1:57 We're using Sheep Gut Strings on the Baroque Violin where as w/ Modern Violins we typically use Steel/Synthetic Strings.

  • @MickCorgi
    @MickCorgi 4 роки тому +1

    I personally play cello but rather enjoyed your English. I would like to see more of your educational videos.

  • @Bruno-hd9qo
    @Bruno-hd9qo 8 років тому +69

    What about the differences in the sound?

    • @Ekvitarius
      @Ekvitarius 7 років тому +7

      The baroque violin sounds more folkish and gritty, and makes fine articulation better, as the instrument is much looser in construction. The modern violin can sound silkier and creates a louder sound to fill a large hall. Both offer different advantages and reflect the musical values of their respective time periods.

    • @johnsavard7583
      @johnsavard7583 6 років тому +3

      One important difference is that you can't play a Baroque violin in the eleventh position. You would be pressing the strings down to empty air instead of the fingerboard.

    • @chad9015
      @chad9015 5 років тому +1

      Baroque sounds softer

  • @RealmofWanderingFire
    @RealmofWanderingFire 11 років тому +1

    Thank you ever so much!

  • @vinzer72frie
    @vinzer72frie 7 років тому +71

    I think we all here just came for sound difference not physical differences lol

    • @mx_godbehere
      @mx_godbehere 4 роки тому

      Really? I would've been hugely disappointed to find it was just a sound clip from each one without any discussion of the physical differences. It might've been nice to have heard them both played, but I was mainly here for the technical details, not the sound.

  • @richardwebb2348
    @richardwebb2348 4 роки тому +2

    So how do these technical construction details impact performance style, and sound??

  • @PychStudios
    @PychStudios 8 років тому +3

    Very informative! Thank you :).

  • @frenchiecocorico1
    @frenchiecocorico1 13 років тому +3

    François Xavier Tourte (1747-1835) was a famous french bow maker whose former profession was clockmaker. He nicknamed "the Stradivari of the bow" because determining Pernambouc was the best wood for bow making due to its great suppleness, lightness and strength. He achieved experiences to obtain the better bow shape which becomes now the modern standard. In past times, bows were made of Snakewood (Bois d'Amourette / Brosimum Aubletti) for its resistivity but it was an heavy wood.

  • @mrusso8
    @mrusso8 12 років тому

    these videos are very informative thanks for sharing!

  • @RockStarOscarStern634
    @RockStarOscarStern634 3 роки тому +1

    BaroqueBand We now have Aquila Red Synthetic Strings which are easier to hold tune, & we also have Planetary Geared Pegs which turn more smoothly.

  • @RockStarOscarStern634
    @RockStarOscarStern634 3 роки тому +1

    We now have Carbon Fiber Bows (CodaBow Joule works with anything) which hold up alot better.

  • @patriciajrs46
    @patriciajrs46 2 роки тому

    Quite informative. Thanks.

  • @jimmyshrimbe9361
    @jimmyshrimbe9361 5 років тому +1

    Damn, 9 years ago. I wonder what these guys are up to now.

    • @jimmyshrimbe9361
      @jimmyshrimbe9361 5 років тому +1

      The website is gone. I'll try the phone number

  • @Judexy22
    @Judexy22 11 років тому

    Certainly this is a great video !
    I wish some sound samples were inserted for our pleasure.
    I am still a Learner, starting late !
    I have an old Chinese Bow (1995) that got distorted. The wood is curving outward. For some reason, I have the impression that this outward curve of the wood, reduces the bow bouncing. Recently, I saw on the net the new incredibow with outward curve. Have not tried it yet.
    Thank you.

  • @nellyd9280
    @nellyd9280 Рік тому

    Great info. Thank you

  • @karahan246
    @karahan246 14 років тому

    THanks for your video, very interesting. Wish you can tell more differences between Baroque instruments and their modern "brothers and sisters"

  • @frenchiecocorico1
    @frenchiecocorico1 12 років тому +1

    I- Woods used to make bows were different in accordance to the period, the technical and style needs No wood is versatile Snakewood was used at the very late of the baroque period and during the classical times During the baroque period the bow wood depended on the producing country and the wood availability. Italian makers used frequently the yew while german's rather larch. English, french, spanish or dutch who had colonies in America or Africa used exotic woods instead of locals

  • @talkaholic1
    @talkaholic1 5 років тому

    Thank you for your knowledge

  • @Arthas1011
    @Arthas1011 7 років тому +2

    I would assume, given that he said the lengths weren't standardised, it would possibly have been down to the personal preference and dimensions of the violinist of the period. This is, of course, my own personal hypothesis.

  • @robviolin1
    @robviolin1 7 років тому

    Very helpful, thanks

  • @PaAndIom
    @PaAndIom 12 років тому +1

    Buen video! Como se llama la musica del principio?

  • @همامالعراقي-ن2ن
    @همامالعراقي-ن2ن 6 років тому

    Grande...... Grazie 🌹 🌹 🌹 🌹 🌹 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏

  • @stewart335
    @stewart335 12 років тому +4

    What's that harpsichord piece at the start and end?

  • @PeriodinstrumentfaN
    @PeriodinstrumentfaN 14 років тому

    how nice to actually compare both modern and baroque !!! ^-^
    5/5 and favorited !!! :-)

  • @pammcdan
    @pammcdan 4 роки тому

    I concur! Listening in March 2020. Did I hear him say that the famous Stradivarius violins were closer to the “baroque” style?

  • @RealmofWanderingFire
    @RealmofWanderingFire 11 років тому

    I've been fancying to play the violin. Though, now I am interested in playing the baroque violin as well. Should I start by playing the baroque, or modern violin first?

  • @deja75m
    @deja75m Рік тому +1

    The baroque violin is noticeably lighter also. I have a handmade modern baroque violin made by a now retired luthier from the violinmaking school in Salt Lake City...it is now 25yrs old and sounds like it should..warm with a solid core acoustic wood sound...with a nice sympathetic ring after the short bow attack ends...a kind of hum...good wood and great materials..the fingerboard is veneered spruce!...light as a feather and a pleasure to play...sometimes we get lucky and win the tone lottery...5 grand in 1996...wouldn't sell it for under 25 grand today...I am 70 yrs young...maker was John Jacob Karwandy..labelled john jacob karvendi...an award winner in Canada...thanks for the info...I actually enjoy learning new stuff about my past musical adventures.

  • @gsilcoful
    @gsilcoful 6 років тому

    Thank you.

  • @AlvaSudden
    @AlvaSudden 6 років тому +1

    damn, I thought he was going to bang those instruments together that wouldv'e gotten him fired i bet

  • @Icreachusalad
    @Icreachusalad 12 років тому

    What is the harpsichord pre- and post- lude? Beautiful!

  • @J_Damico_Arts
    @J_Damico_Arts 11 років тому

    I am learning Bach to play for a wedding of on of my friends. I have a moth to learn it, and I wanted to know if you could give me tips on learning it. Also, I've been wanting to know the difference between the tuning of a baroque and a modern. Emilie Autumn, a violinist, said that the baroque was tuned in slightly lower notes than a modern violin.

  • @teknical100
    @teknical100 5 років тому

    Thankyou.

  • @jimobrien84
    @jimobrien84 3 роки тому

    Are you guys all at Haymarket now?

  • @frederick5197
    @frederick5197 6 років тому

    Why don't they uploaded anymore

  • @YankeeFiddler13850
    @YankeeFiddler13850 9 років тому +1

    I had thought that Baroque violins were shorter by an inch or two, not as short as a 3/4 vs a 4/4 however. I was surprised to see that the two instruments compared at the beginning were similar in body length.

    • @richardmuncey9860
      @richardmuncey9860 8 років тому

      Stradivarias lived in the |Baroque era!

    • @YankeeFiddler13850
      @YankeeFiddler13850 8 років тому

      Yes he did.

    • @jimgilbert2340
      @jimgilbert2340 8 років тому +1

      +Steven Davidson Strad did experiment with adding extra length to his violins for a while.

  • @o.m9514
    @o.m9514 3 роки тому

    If I wanted to buy one violin to play with from beginner level, up, and not have to change it at some point, which violin do I buy? Mr?

    • @o.m9514
      @o.m9514 3 роки тому

      I’ve always wondered what a standard violin would be like. Like a piano, kind of.

  • @Sreedevhh
    @Sreedevhh 3 роки тому

    I came hear it's sound, but you didn't play it. What a shame..

  • @pacman7654
    @pacman7654 12 років тому

    fascinating thank you!

  • @justinebaker6491
    @justinebaker6491 5 місяців тому

    So interesting thank you

  • @bradley_gober
    @bradley_gober 8 років тому +5

    The old bows look like a German bass bow.

  • @AradaTrTr
    @AradaTrTr 7 років тому +3

    I am the only one in my class with a Baroque violin

    • @KC9UDX
      @KC9UDX 6 років тому

      Tredon Aldridge when you're in a class of your own...

  • @yiuqwfj
    @yiuqwfj 6 років тому

    that cembalo performance is just outstanding! who's playing?

  • @jockellis
    @jockellis 7 років тому

    The top of my Meinel violin body has the same shape as the first modern fiddle you showed. I’ve never seen that same shape. It doesn’t look like a Strad.

  • @Boogers32150
    @Boogers32150 5 років тому

    My left ear loved this

  • @galacticacorn7805
    @galacticacorn7805 8 років тому +92

    sorry i was Hayden for a Minuet i heard something Baroque but i came Bach in time to finish my Liszt on grocery Chopin

    • @FictionWriter95
      @FictionWriter95 8 років тому +1

      You are my favorite kind of person for many different reasons

    • @culbycove4963
      @culbycove4963 8 років тому +4

      Cheeky Mozart is cheeky

    • @galacticacorn7805
      @galacticacorn7805 8 років тому +1

      +Culby Cove what can i say women are Scarce they can't Handel my cheeky self

    • @SkepticalLlama
      @SkepticalLlama 7 років тому

      Ok, I'm impressed. Good job!

    • @y0urs03pic
      @y0urs03pic 6 років тому

      God. I Love Music Puns

  • @patriciajrs46
    @patriciajrs46 2 роки тому

    Putting a wedge in the neck of the baroque violin, doesn't that change its sound entirely? You said it was to accomidate the height of the bridge.

  • @putraswarga608
    @putraswarga608 Рік тому

    What's the intro song?

  • @marcosPRATA918
    @marcosPRATA918 5 років тому

    Aula refinada!

  • @macrobbair
    @macrobbair 10 років тому

    My violin fingerboard has sunk again, does that make it baroque?

  • @mrhitleroi
    @mrhitleroi 11 років тому

    More curious about the difference of the sound between them.

  • @patriciajrs46
    @patriciajrs46 2 роки тому

    It's obvious that the Baroque violin is thinner. That's interesting. I like the Baroque sound.

  • @frenchiecocorico1
    @frenchiecocorico1 12 років тому

    II- Snakewood is acceptable only for Baroque or classical bows while pernambuco is mostly recommanded for the romantical or modern violins because it is a responsive wood which has a greatest reactivity
    However on a period bow the hair tension of the bow is given by fingers only when the frog is non adjustable that's to say without ferrule or rack This is the reason of this technique
    You have to inform about the wood properties but not on your bow maker reputation

  • @omriavidov154
    @omriavidov154 7 років тому +4

    intro piece anyone?

  • @frenchiecocorico1
    @frenchiecocorico1 13 років тому

    Joseph Barnabé Saint Sevin so called "L'Abbé le fils" (1727-1803) was a famous french violinist and composer. He was a pupil of the great violin virtuoso Jean Marie Leclair. He taught about the chin rest in his violin method (1761) "Principes du Violon, pour apprendre le doigté de cet instrument et les différens agrémens dont il est susceptible » œuvre dédiée à Monsieur le Marquis de Rodoüan de Damartin, It proves the chin rest was used long before the method publishing.

  • @joemeyer6876
    @joemeyer6876 6 років тому

    Rosen when?

  • @lavoxii
    @lavoxii 6 років тому

    It’s shame you didn’t demonstrate two different violins sound like.

  • @Chrismacleod777
    @Chrismacleod777 10 років тому

    Very interesting!

  • @quigley4440
    @quigley4440 7 років тому +2

    Aso the tuning changed over the years. Bach's era was 415 HZ I believe - gut strings etc. Later various tuning but 432 to 435 was used. Now it's 440 and everything has become larger, longer and perhaps some of the natural beauty inherent in a 432 HZ has become lost? These pieces were composed at a time when the HZ was lower. So now the intended sound is different. If you play a stringed instrument, try tuning down to 432 and give it time to develop.

  • @shirleyfarenkopf9915
    @shirleyfarenkopf9915 Рік тому

    And the Sounds???

  • @junrodriguez4250
    @junrodriguez4250 6 років тому

    I thought he was going to accidentally drop them.

  • @ericli9811
    @ericli9811 7 років тому

    What's that instrument playing in the intro? Just wondering thanks

    • @alivia5530
      @alivia5530 7 років тому

      Eric Li An older version of the modern piano, I believe.

    • @TheGeographyWatch
      @TheGeographyWatch 7 років тому

      Eric Li Harpsichord

  • @frenchiecocorico1
    @frenchiecocorico1 12 років тому

    I- According to bow makers, pernambuco is more resilient, suppler, lighter, more homogeneous than snakewood. So, It's rot resistant and can be put out of form scarcely. Snakewood has this qualities too but in a less degree. The snakewood disadvantages are its weight and its highter rigidity. Snakewood can included knots too leading to fissures and cracks. Pernambuco bows are well believed to be of the best quality by all the makers. But the most important is the bow maker adjustements.

  • @patriciajrs46
    @patriciajrs46 2 роки тому

    Wish you would have played them both.

  • @Chris.S.XIIVMCMXCII
    @Chris.S.XIIVMCMXCII 5 років тому +1

    6:09 lol

  • @ajwiebe
    @ajwiebe 13 років тому

    @bandreification I know. Absurd. I might as well have read a wiki entry instead. The BaroqueBand segment on clavichord/harpsichord/piano is outstanding, though.

  • @Caly19977
    @Caly19977 5 років тому

    Do they sound very different?

  • @argi0774
    @argi0774 3 роки тому

    The intro says "baroque sound" but plays Renaissance sound

  • @Alte_Rego
    @Alte_Rego 11 років тому

    Get a modern violin, and two bows: A modern bow, and a baroque bow. This allows you to play both styles pretty well :)

  • @brasilviolinista2410
    @brasilviolinista2410 8 років тому

    lindo! Bravo!

  • @harryoconnor2733
    @harryoconnor2733 10 років тому

    What did baroque mutes look like?

  • @ilyasnm837
    @ilyasnm837 13 років тому

    The most important aspect is missing: the sound! :(

  • @frenchiecocorico1
    @frenchiecocorico1 12 років тому

    II- However, previous and during the Baroque period only hazelnut, yew, larsh and later snakewood were used for bow making. Pernambuco was used mainly for romantic bow. Today it's proved carbon fiber is the best and cheaper material for bow making. Though in aim to respect the time uses, the frog wouldn't be equiped with ferrule on a baroque bow but with rack, would you ?
    Producing tiny sound doesnt involve the bow but the violinist ability and sometimes the violin on a baroque model.

  • @nostalgiakarlk.f.7386
    @nostalgiakarlk.f.7386 10 років тому

    where is he from?

  • @iurydelio786
    @iurydelio786 10 років тому

    Which one is harder to play?

  • @blacklotusstradivari7199
    @blacklotusstradivari7199 10 років тому

    Please could someone tell me how the instrument is called the beginning of the song ...?

  • @klauscartesius1275
    @klauscartesius1275 6 років тому

    Hmm, so really old violins aren't "modern", then? And yet, they sound so good.

  • @Irishceol
    @Irishceol 10 місяців тому

    Carbon fibre even density and weather resistant

  • @Adrian_AdamViolonDiGerma-tm3nq

    No handmade Violin is the same, they all have their own unique character because even the wood used uses different parts, from different trees, and different types For each violin.
    (I know its not relatable with the Topic)

  • @pianoboy981
    @pianoboy981 11 років тому

    moderns are more common and comfortable to play, so probably modern.plus modern would be less expensive (i assume)

  • @digitalblasphemy1100
    @digitalblasphemy1100 10 років тому

    microphone is too close to the chest. its vibrating the microphone

  • @Machodave2020
    @Machodave2020 5 років тому

    Actually can use gut strings on a modern violin as well.