Whenever I see someone else holding a violin, I always think they look bigger than I expect, but then when I hold a violin in my hands, it feels incredibly small.
Nicely explained. Just one suggestion- if you want your clipin bow to last a long time without repair, you shouldn't click the frog in and out as you did in this video- that makes for a lot of wear and tear at the front of the frog and slot. Bend the bow so there's no tension on the hair first. cheers from a bowmaker who's built and repaired many clipin bows.
Really? I would've been hugely disappointed to find it was just a sound clip from each one without any discussion of the physical differences. It might've been nice to have heard them both played, but I was mainly here for the technical details, not the sound.
I got to try playing a half million dollar plus Amati violin, and it was just amazing. Very interesting how different it was from my modern (and cheaper...) violins that I own. Sounded spectacular too of course for a price tag that high.
Very informative video but could you post another where you play the baroque violin with a baroque bow alongside a modern one so that we could hear the difference?
Wow, every generation gets an easier way. I bought-up the remaining (local) supply of "flint" to learn to make my own ignition flints for a muzzle loader. Guess the percussion cap is not "cool", well I now respect our founding pioneers a bunch more. Great video and this knowledge is valuable.
I enjoyed that talk. I'm no musician but it's good to understand the differences between the older violin and the more modern incarnation of the same instrument. It would have helped had there been sound to demonstrate how different they are but I'm sure there are other videos to watch which will give that information. Thanks.
The baroque violin sounds more folkish and gritty, and makes fine articulation better, as the instrument is much looser in construction. The modern violin can sound silkier and creates a louder sound to fill a large hall. Both offer different advantages and reflect the musical values of their respective time periods.
One important difference is that you can't play a Baroque violin in the eleventh position. You would be pressing the strings down to empty air instead of the fingerboard.
I'm in a music appreciation course. Because we are remote, I wasn't able to really tell the difference from the lecture. But this vid really made it clear. Thanks!
François Xavier Tourte (1747-1835) was a famous french bow maker whose former profession was clockmaker. He nicknamed "the Stradivari of the bow" because determining Pernambouc was the best wood for bow making due to its great suppleness, lightness and strength. He achieved experiences to obtain the better bow shape which becomes now the modern standard. In past times, bows were made of Snakewood (Bois d'Amourette / Brosimum Aubletti) for its resistivity but it was an heavy wood.
I have to ask a question. Stradivarius and other older violins made during the Baroque Period which continue to be played today in a modern setup would mean that those old instruments of high-value have been altered. Why then does that not affect the price negatively as they are no longer in their original configuration? Antique furniture for example if altered or refinished takes a huge drop in value from an original piece that has not been tampered with.
I- Woods used to make bows were different in accordance to the period, the technical and style needs No wood is versatile Snakewood was used at the very late of the baroque period and during the classical times During the baroque period the bow wood depended on the producing country and the wood availability. Italian makers used frequently the yew while german's rather larch. English, french, spanish or dutch who had colonies in America or Africa used exotic woods instead of locals
I would assume, given that he said the lengths weren't standardised, it would possibly have been down to the personal preference and dimensions of the violinist of the period. This is, of course, my own personal hypothesis.
The baroque violin is noticeably lighter also. I have a handmade modern baroque violin made by a now retired luthier from the violinmaking school in Salt Lake City...it is now 25yrs old and sounds like it should..warm with a solid core acoustic wood sound...with a nice sympathetic ring after the short bow attack ends...a kind of hum...good wood and great materials..the fingerboard is veneered spruce!...light as a feather and a pleasure to play...sometimes we get lucky and win the tone lottery...5 grand in 1996...wouldn't sell it for under 25 grand today...I am 70 yrs young...maker was John Jacob Karwandy..labelled john jacob karvendi...an award winner in Canada...thanks for the info...I actually enjoy learning new stuff about my past musical adventures.
Certainly this is a great video ! I wish some sound samples were inserted for our pleasure. I am still a Learner, starting late ! I have an old Chinese Bow (1995) that got distorted. The wood is curving outward. For some reason, I have the impression that this outward curve of the wood, reduces the bow bouncing. Recently, I saw on the net the new incredibow with outward curve. Have not tried it yet. Thank you.
I've been fancying to play the violin. Though, now I am interested in playing the baroque violin as well. Should I start by playing the baroque, or modern violin first?
I had thought that Baroque violins were shorter by an inch or two, not as short as a 3/4 vs a 4/4 however. I was surprised to see that the two instruments compared at the beginning were similar in body length.
The top of my Meinel violin body has the same shape as the first modern fiddle you showed. I’ve never seen that same shape. It doesn’t look like a Strad.
Joseph Barnabé Saint Sevin so called "L'Abbé le fils" (1727-1803) was a famous french violinist and composer. He was a pupil of the great violin virtuoso Jean Marie Leclair. He taught about the chin rest in his violin method (1761) "Principes du Violon, pour apprendre le doigté de cet instrument et les différens agrémens dont il est susceptible » œuvre dédiée à Monsieur le Marquis de Rodoüan de Damartin, It proves the chin rest was used long before the method publishing.
I am learning Bach to play for a wedding of on of my friends. I have a moth to learn it, and I wanted to know if you could give me tips on learning it. Also, I've been wanting to know the difference between the tuning of a baroque and a modern. Emilie Autumn, a violinist, said that the baroque was tuned in slightly lower notes than a modern violin.
@bandreification I know. Absurd. I might as well have read a wiki entry instead. The BaroqueBand segment on clavichord/harpsichord/piano is outstanding, though.
Aso the tuning changed over the years. Bach's era was 415 HZ I believe - gut strings etc. Later various tuning but 432 to 435 was used. Now it's 440 and everything has become larger, longer and perhaps some of the natural beauty inherent in a 432 HZ has become lost? These pieces were composed at a time when the HZ was lower. So now the intended sound is different. If you play a stringed instrument, try tuning down to 432 and give it time to develop.
II- Snakewood is acceptable only for Baroque or classical bows while pernambuco is mostly recommanded for the romantical or modern violins because it is a responsive wood which has a greatest reactivity However on a period bow the hair tension of the bow is given by fingers only when the frog is non adjustable that's to say without ferrule or rack This is the reason of this technique You have to inform about the wood properties but not on your bow maker reputation
I- According to bow makers, pernambuco is more resilient, suppler, lighter, more homogeneous than snakewood. So, It's rot resistant and can be put out of form scarcely. Snakewood has this qualities too but in a less degree. The snakewood disadvantages are its weight and its highter rigidity. Snakewood can included knots too leading to fissures and cracks. Pernambuco bows are well believed to be of the best quality by all the makers. But the most important is the bow maker adjustements.
II- However, previous and during the Baroque period only hazelnut, yew, larsh and later snakewood were used for bow making. Pernambuco was used mainly for romantic bow. Today it's proved carbon fiber is the best and cheaper material for bow making. Though in aim to respect the time uses, the frog wouldn't be equiped with ferrule on a baroque bow but with rack, would you ? Producing tiny sound doesnt involve the bow but the violinist ability and sometimes the violin on a baroque model.
What a shame that he didn't play them! I want to hear the two sounds side by side!
+David Hoffman Agreed! It really would have enhanced the 'lesson' a lot. 04/28/2016
the baroque have less time to draw a note out, and sound squeaky when you do, so you get shorter notes played on them.
Bo Huggabee p
Not any practical example? What a shame
One of the violins was broke and needed repair..... Could be why no comparison was done.
Well you forgot to play it. Sound matters too.
What a letdown to not demonstrate their sounds.
If it ain't baroque, don't fix it!
I'll see myself out
Daniel Pedersen r/wooooooosh
Whenever I see someone else holding a violin, I always think they look bigger than I expect, but then when I hold a violin in my hands, it feels incredibly small.
Nicely explained. Just one suggestion- if you want your clipin bow to last a long time without repair, you shouldn't click the frog in and out as you did in this video- that makes for a lot of wear and tear at the front of the frog and slot. Bend the bow so there's no tension on the hair first.
cheers from a bowmaker who's built and repaired many clipin bows.
I'm getting this channel on my recommended nine years later, what a shame that it's abandoned!
I think we all here just came for sound difference not physical differences lol
Really? I would've been hugely disappointed to find it was just a sound clip from each one without any discussion of the physical differences. It might've been nice to have heard them both played, but I was mainly here for the technical details, not the sound.
Very instructive! Thanks!
Only thing you could have added someone playing the baroque violin, and the modern one for comparison.
I got to try playing a half million dollar plus Amati violin, and it was just amazing. Very interesting how different it was from my modern (and cheaper...) violins that I own. Sounded spectacular too of course for a price tag that high.
Very informative video but could you post another where you play the baroque violin with a baroque bow alongside a modern one so that we could hear the difference?
aawwww and all this time i was waiting for you to play it :(
This is my Favorite Video on UA-cam. Very informative, and better than reading a book about violin.
Thank you, keep doing excellence.
Wow, every generation gets an easier way. I bought-up the remaining (local) supply of "flint" to learn to make my own ignition flints for a muzzle loader. Guess the percussion cap is not "cool", well I now respect our founding pioneers a bunch more. Great video and this knowledge is valuable.
You guys should do a video on natural horns vs modern horns
I enjoyed that talk. I'm no musician but it's good to understand the differences between the older violin and the more modern incarnation of the same instrument. It would have helped had there been sound to demonstrate how different they are but I'm sure there are other videos to watch which will give that information. Thanks.
What about the differences in the sound?
The baroque violin sounds more folkish and gritty, and makes fine articulation better, as the instrument is much looser in construction. The modern violin can sound silkier and creates a louder sound to fill a large hall. Both offer different advantages and reflect the musical values of their respective time periods.
One important difference is that you can't play a Baroque violin in the eleventh position. You would be pressing the strings down to empty air instead of the fingerboard.
Baroque sounds softer
Thank you ever so much!
I'm in a music appreciation course. Because we are remote, I wasn't able to really tell the difference from the lecture. But this vid really made it clear. Thanks!
Quite informative. Thanks.
these videos are very informative thanks for sharing!
Great info. Thank you
Very informative! Thank you :).
Sad to hear you guys disbanded! I wish you had kept your website available too!
I personally play cello but rather enjoyed your English. I would like to see more of your educational videos.
We now have Carbon Fiber Bows (CodaBow Joule works with anything) which hold up alot better.
What's the name of the beautiful harpsichord piece at the start and end? Does anybody know? Thanks!
Thank you for your knowledge
Very helpful, thanks
Thankyou.
BaroqueBand We now have Aquila Red Synthetic Strings which are easier to hold tune, & we also have Planetary Geared Pegs which turn more smoothly.
1:57 We're using Sheep Gut Strings on the Baroque Violin where as w/ Modern Violins we typically use Steel/Synthetic Strings.
François Xavier Tourte (1747-1835) was a famous french bow maker whose former profession was clockmaker. He nicknamed "the Stradivari of the bow" because determining Pernambouc was the best wood for bow making due to its great suppleness, lightness and strength. He achieved experiences to obtain the better bow shape which becomes now the modern standard. In past times, bows were made of Snakewood (Bois d'Amourette / Brosimum Aubletti) for its resistivity but it was an heavy wood.
A clock maker? How 😮
Thank you.
fascinating thank you!
So how do these technical construction details impact performance style, and sound??
I have to ask a question. Stradivarius and other older violins made during the Baroque Period which continue to be played today in a modern setup would mean that those old instruments of high-value have been altered. Why then does that not affect the price negatively as they are no longer in their original configuration?
Antique furniture for example if altered or refinished takes a huge drop in value from an original piece that has not been tampered with.
As wood instruments mature and age, the wood opens up and produces a much richer, brighter sound, which causes increases in value
@@jhontran Prove it.
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THanks for your video, very interesting. Wish you can tell more differences between Baroque instruments and their modern "brothers and sisters"
I- Woods used to make bows were different in accordance to the period, the technical and style needs No wood is versatile Snakewood was used at the very late of the baroque period and during the classical times During the baroque period the bow wood depended on the producing country and the wood availability. Italian makers used frequently the yew while german's rather larch. English, french, spanish or dutch who had colonies in America or Africa used exotic woods instead of locals
Damn, 9 years ago. I wonder what these guys are up to now.
The website is gone. I'll try the phone number
My left ear loved this
damn, I thought he was going to bang those instruments together that wouldv'e gotten him fired i bet
I would assume, given that he said the lengths weren't standardised, it would possibly have been down to the personal preference and dimensions of the violinist of the period. This is, of course, my own personal hypothesis.
The old bows look like a German bass bow.
The baroque violin is noticeably lighter also. I have a handmade modern baroque violin made by a now retired luthier from the violinmaking school in Salt Lake City...it is now 25yrs old and sounds like it should..warm with a solid core acoustic wood sound...with a nice sympathetic ring after the short bow attack ends...a kind of hum...good wood and great materials..the fingerboard is veneered spruce!...light as a feather and a pleasure to play...sometimes we get lucky and win the tone lottery...5 grand in 1996...wouldn't sell it for under 25 grand today...I am 70 yrs young...maker was John Jacob Karwandy..labelled john jacob karvendi...an award winner in Canada...thanks for the info...I actually enjoy learning new stuff about my past musical adventures.
Certainly this is a great video !
I wish some sound samples were inserted for our pleasure.
I am still a Learner, starting late !
I have an old Chinese Bow (1995) that got distorted. The wood is curving outward. For some reason, I have the impression that this outward curve of the wood, reduces the bow bouncing. Recently, I saw on the net the new incredibow with outward curve. Have not tried it yet.
Thank you.
Aula refinada!
how nice to actually compare both modern and baroque !!! ^-^
5/5 and favorited !!! :-)
Very interesting!
lindo! Bravo!
sorry i was Hayden for a Minuet i heard something Baroque but i came Bach in time to finish my Liszt on grocery Chopin
You are my favorite kind of person for many different reasons
Cheeky Mozart is cheeky
+Culby Cove what can i say women are Scarce they can't Handel my cheeky self
Ok, I'm impressed. Good job!
God. I Love Music Puns
I've been fancying to play the violin. Though, now I am interested in playing the baroque violin as well. Should I start by playing the baroque, or modern violin first?
What's that harpsichord piece at the start and end?
I concur! Listening in March 2020. Did I hear him say that the famous Stradivarius violins were closer to the “baroque” style?
I am the only one in my class with a Baroque violin
Tredon Aldridge when you're in a class of your own...
I had thought that Baroque violins were shorter by an inch or two, not as short as a 3/4 vs a 4/4 however. I was surprised to see that the two instruments compared at the beginning were similar in body length.
Stradivarias lived in the |Baroque era!
Yes he did.
+Steven Davidson Strad did experiment with adding extra length to his violins for a while.
Buen video! Como se llama la musica del principio?
What is the harpsichord pre- and post- lude? Beautiful!
The top of my Meinel violin body has the same shape as the first modern fiddle you showed. I’ve never seen that same shape. It doesn’t look like a Strad.
that cembalo performance is just outstanding! who's playing?
It's obvious that the Baroque violin is thinner. That's interesting. I like the Baroque sound.
Joseph Barnabé Saint Sevin so called "L'Abbé le fils" (1727-1803) was a famous french violinist and composer. He was a pupil of the great violin virtuoso Jean Marie Leclair. He taught about the chin rest in his violin method (1761) "Principes du Violon, pour apprendre le doigté de cet instrument et les différens agrémens dont il est susceptible » œuvre dédiée à Monsieur le Marquis de Rodoüan de Damartin, It proves the chin rest was used long before the method publishing.
I am learning Bach to play for a wedding of on of my friends. I have a moth to learn it, and I wanted to know if you could give me tips on learning it. Also, I've been wanting to know the difference between the tuning of a baroque and a modern. Emilie Autumn, a violinist, said that the baroque was tuned in slightly lower notes than a modern violin.
How did it go
More curious about the difference of the sound between them.
The intro says "baroque sound" but plays Renaissance sound
I thought he was going to accidentally drop them.
If I wanted to buy one violin to play with from beginner level, up, and not have to change it at some point, which violin do I buy? Mr?
I’ve always wondered what a standard violin would be like. Like a piano, kind of.
6:09 lol
Carbon fibre even density and weather resistant
@bandreification I know. Absurd. I might as well have read a wiki entry instead. The BaroqueBand segment on clavichord/harpsichord/piano is outstanding, though.
My violin fingerboard has sunk again, does that make it baroque?
Are you guys all at Haymarket now?
Aso the tuning changed over the years. Bach's era was 415 HZ I believe - gut strings etc. Later various tuning but 432 to 435 was used. Now it's 440 and everything has become larger, longer and perhaps some of the natural beauty inherent in a 432 HZ has become lost? These pieces were composed at a time when the HZ was lower. So now the intended sound is different. If you play a stringed instrument, try tuning down to 432 and give it time to develop.
II- Snakewood is acceptable only for Baroque or classical bows while pernambuco is mostly recommanded for the romantical or modern violins because it is a responsive wood which has a greatest reactivity
However on a period bow the hair tension of the bow is given by fingers only when the frog is non adjustable that's to say without ferrule or rack This is the reason of this technique
You have to inform about the wood properties but not on your bow maker reputation
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詹付台 ahhh, got it.
Which one is harder to play?
Why don't they uploaded anymore
intro piece anyone?
I also want to know. עמרי אבידב
Get a modern violin, and two bows: A modern bow, and a baroque bow. This allows you to play both styles pretty well :)
I- According to bow makers, pernambuco is more resilient, suppler, lighter, more homogeneous than snakewood. So, It's rot resistant and can be put out of form scarcely. Snakewood has this qualities too but in a less degree. The snakewood disadvantages are its weight and its highter rigidity. Snakewood can included knots too leading to fissures and cracks. Pernambuco bows are well believed to be of the best quality by all the makers. But the most important is the bow maker adjustements.
☝🏻QUESTION: Why are all the instruments CGI and all the sounds from a digital library?
Putting a wedge in the neck of the baroque violin, doesn't that change its sound entirely? You said it was to accomidate the height of the bridge.
"ummmm"
The most important aspect is missing: the sound! :(
What did baroque mutes look like?
Rosen when?
where is he from?
Please could someone tell me how the instrument is called the beginning of the song ...?
Harpsichord.
It’s shame you didn’t demonstrate two different violins sound like.
What's the intro song?
II- However, previous and during the Baroque period only hazelnut, yew, larsh and later snakewood were used for bow making. Pernambuco was used mainly for romantic bow. Today it's proved carbon fiber is the best and cheaper material for bow making. Though in aim to respect the time uses, the frog wouldn't be equiped with ferrule on a baroque bow but with rack, would you ?
Producing tiny sound doesnt involve the bow but the violinist ability and sometimes the violin on a baroque model.
Both appear to have strings to me.
Wish you would have played them both.
I clicked to see the only thing he didn't do :(
Do they sound very different?
What's that instrument playing in the intro? Just wondering thanks
Eric Li An older version of the modern piano, I believe.
Eric Li Harpsichord
moderns are more common and comfortable to play, so probably modern.plus modern would be less expensive (i assume)
Red violin
Actually can use gut strings on a modern violin as well.