Tactical nuke on Megger vs. Fluke
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- Опубліковано 27 сер 2024
- As they say, variety is the spice of life. Favourite spice? I’d probably say Geri in that dress. What’s that, Baby Spice you say? Nah, you can keep her - I like a woman with curves: something you can plunge both hands into or stick your head between while making a loud raspberry noise... so to speak. Yeah, if all the Spice Girls trundled over to Whitnash and banged on my door beggin’ and pleading for some Savery saveloy, Geri’s the lucky one getting to wipe her big boots on the welcome mat. The rest will just have to cope with their disappointment and bob off for a little cry somewhere.
Mind you, at my age and having been married for 23 years, I doubt I’d know what to do with her. I’d probably bore her with my collection of multifunction testers just as I’m boring you all right now, then take her to the Hungry Horse pub for a couple of Carlsberg’s and a steak & ale pie from off the ‘two for £7.99’ menu.
But I digress, I meant to talk about variety, and when it comes to the world of multifunction testers, things don’t have to be as black and white as the age-old question of whether one simply plumps for a Megger or a Fluke. There are other options. When it comes to selecting an MFT, you should be sure to choose something that has the desired feature set for now and for the type of work you think you’ll be performing in the future. Brands such as Megger and Fluke command high prices; you’ll get something that does more but costs less if you look at lesser-known marques, although budget brands may have cut corners that affect robustness or reliability in the long term.
Anyway, this vid got cooked up after our Friday job was canned thanks to APC Overnight failing to deliver Tuesday’s order on Wednesday. Or Thursday. Or even Friday. Feckin’ courier firms - they have one job for frick’s sake, and when they don’t do it, I don’t get to do mine. Still, if they had done their job, I’d have been out earning money Friday afternoon and this nonsense wouldn’t exist. Every cloud and all that… if indeed the existence of this video is viewed as a positive thing…
… if not, blame APC Overnight. And Carlsberg.
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You like different form-factors because you are interested in Design. It's not sad or depressing, rather it is uplifting and cheerful to hear that you care about how something looks and feels to use. 😀
Thanks for the positive spin Tony!
What an absolute brilliant video I thoroughly enjoyed that. When I first started about 25 years ago my first company use the Robin three separates. By the time I got into testing the first test that I had was the Megger 15 series the one with the Bluetooth that no one ever figured out how to use. For my company we all have Megger 1700 series. What I like is the automatic Loop test and the two wire loop test. Throughout the years I have worked with loads of other testers with various different brands Fluke is always on par. One of my friends has the TIS With the colour screen And that was he’s only complaint is that it drain the battery as you mention, his opinion is and it’s very unnecessary. I personally have the 1741+ for car charging. Absolutely love your videos. I always thought Robin sold out to fluke really interesting history of the companies. I have never worked with anyone with a Metral tester so I have no opinion. Corey from Artisan helped me out with a car charger and he had one that is the only time, other than a trade show To have a look at one.
Cheers Will. I'm saddened that your latest video was on the Unilite IL-375R as I just lost mine somewhere out in the wild last week! With the TIS, I find the battery life is pretty good with the Eneloop AA's - worth investing in if he finds it's clocking off early.
When i first started my apprenticeship in 1969 there were two meters that spring to mind…Megger and Avo multimeters.
Thanks for your comments about calibration. Reassured me :)
I’m never first to the party, but when you hit bell icon the day before to ensure your always gonna keep up to date and it pays off 👌. And then it starts off in the man cave, you know your in for a good treat.
Always brave to hope that anything good will be in one of these videos before you watch it Gary!
@@dsesuk I’ve yet to find one I haven’t enjoyed. May say more about my life choices 😂
You certainly have your pick of testers Dave, I really like that Ethos, looks good, straight forward &love the screen.Stay safe Dave.
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It does seem to be a rather well featured thang Daniel. I'll have to road test it out on site and see how well it works!
Glad you like the Ethos, and better still the loop test was correct seeing as that was the bit I fixed. Still haven’t got round to fixing the 4th Ethos yet, too many other jobs fighting for my time. Top vid as per usual.
Cheers Andy, it is indeed a tidy instrument. I'll have to take it out on the van and put it through its paces out in the world!
@@dsesuk oh, the Ethos does usually come with a tray, but I didn’t get any of those with my bargain eBay purchase
@@jumpjet666 Makes you wonder where all those tote trays go!
I am also in the "take one for the team"-camp when it comes to buying new things from lesser known brands, albeit in a different field entirely.
Oo-er. The mind rather boggles old fruit! Personally, I'm all for championing the underdog. The likes of Metrel and Fluke don't need me to be blowing their trumpets. There are other brands I can blow.
I bought the Martindale ET400 based on your review of the Metrell MI3100S and I think it's an excellent tester for all the reasons you state. As I'd only recently returned to the industry after years in the telecoms industry I didn't want to spend to much too soon and the purchase has been more than vindicated thanks to your review.
I've no experience of the Martindale, although it seems to be the same thing without the proprietary connector. I chose Metrel as it was a brand I'd had previous exposure to. I'm glad it worked out for you!
Megger 1500s were the best for their era imo my favourite MFT, absolute work horses. Megger’s 1700s were plagued with issues for early adopters which put me off, i tripped a handful of RCDs on no-trip, from then on these were a no go, they fixed it in later firmware updates, the damage was done for me. i moved to fluke 1600s and never looked back. I tried Metrel inbetween, i couldn’t gel, i’m sure they would be effective for those who be willing to learn and adapt, great features.
The 1500 series was solid. I was put of the 17 series; pricey and problematic as you say, at least in the early days.
Bought the ethos 4 years ago when I started out other sparks we’re saying there rubbish but I’m still using it and there not using there expensive m f t I like it and will continue to do so thumbs up to your video very informative
I'm glad to hear the positive praise on the Ethos Raymond. It seems a nice bit o' kit!
As an old time apprentice served instrument tech (4 years 1977-81) I sort of object to the term calibration. What most of these services provide is a testing/check service. To me 'calibration' suggests you've actually been in there with a screwdriver and adjusted something if needed. But what do I know, got out of that game in the late 80s.
Very true Ray, and I've always viewed the process with a raised eyebrow. My first tester, the Megger 1552 I picked up in 2012, I sent off for 'proper' calibration. It was away for a few days in a climate controlled lab environment where it was properly tested. It cost a bit too. The service offered by the local wholesalers is, as you say, little more than checking against a known source similar to my own in-house checkbox, but itself more sophisticated and itself calibrated. There's no attempt to adjust anything if it's out of tolerance.
In a previous life I was working somewhere and needed to use the factory's glass ruler. Glass rulers are very precise rulers (as far as they go) with built in loupes so you can read fractions of tenths of millimetres on them.
I couldn't use the ruler as desired, because it was out for calibration. Which begged the question of whether they were going to attempt to stretch it if it failed.
Being pedantic, calibration is the process of making measurements and comparing them to a result of a measurement made that is traceable to national standards. Changing the reading after the measurement is called adjustment.
@@tceng9449 Of course they're calibrating something. Not the glass ruler, but the factory's bank account. Oh look, it was off by about 5000 too much. We've fixed it though, no worries mate!
@@neil2742 True. I always feel the two should go hand in hand though. A pass/fail only service is next to useless IMHO. (Assuming the device has the capability to be adjusted, which is not a given now.)
As an aside most of what I worked on was electromechanical and included machining new parts if necessary,; I got out when things started going solid state and became boring, often unpreparable and too easy/reliable to adjust.
I’ve had my Fluke 1653b for over 10 years and has been a superb mft that has never let me down. I’ve used Megger, Martindale, Metrel, Kewtech and the old Robins lol. I have heard the Tis mft pro is an amazing piece of kit but there is apparently a learning curve to use it.Upon looking at a replacement mft, the Fluke doesn’t seem to be any different to what I already have. For me the Kewtech kt66dl ticks all the boxes for todays needs.
The MFT Pro is easy enough. I think people are just a little sideswiped by the unusual form factor and touchscreen operation, but it's a nice instrument and not at all difficult to get to grips with. For some reason, Kewtech is one brand of MFT I've not really had any experience of. Those who own one seem to swear by it though.
Excellent 👍 I must say I do like that ROBIN-amprobe shame it has a loop test fault , I’am sure it can be repaired try contacting amprobe I believe they are based in Watford? , and I like the look of the ethos , I might think about swopping my kewtech Kt 63 for one , maybe. Thank you for the shoutout mate and for showing us your new toy’s. Fantastic video as always David 👍👍👍
Sorry David I must correct you on a minor detail, the ROBIN testers when they became kewtech they changed the colour from yellow to grey , not green and grey if you Google kewtech KT62 as an example you will see what I mean. That Chinese brand that I can’t spell or pronounce use the kewtech brand on their testers for the Asian market and they are big in new Zealand and Australia. Australia also have there own brand witch is in fact a kewtech KT 63 branded as the EFO mft4
Sorry for correcting you.
Thanks for the correction Sean. I do hope to have the Robin Amprobe repaired, so watch this space!
I am still using my Fluke 1653, I bought in back in the 1900's. All my test equipment is Fluke, 435, Ti20, 189, 289, 79, 87 and it all still work. I have found the boarder around the screen on the 435 and the Ti 20 are fading, considering the years of service I am not surprised. I once bought a UNI -T, I dont know what I was thinking, the leads felt 2 bob and it didnt last long.
Fluke's a safe bet. For those with deep enough pockets, you can buy once, buy right with Fluke.
Interesting video as always. Wonder if you contacted the manufacturer direct if they would give you a service manual for the KTS1625, especially if it is an obsolete instrument. Some manufacturers like Fluke will issue service manuals where as other, Megger in particular, are very guarded of the calibration process. Never heard of Ethos instruments before, looks like quite a capable instrument though, and like you said, comes with a good strong case.
Might be worth a punt in seeking a service manual. I'd like to see the Robin doing its thang. I've heard Fluke are good with technical information and Megger are a little tight on it.
These days I have a Metrel as main unit, Kewtech KT63 as backup, and of course a good old 1552. Never tried a TIS and you have piqued my interest.
In my private museum I've still got a wind up Megger bridge BR7. It does 250v IR tests, measures continuity/resistances between 0.01 and 999,000 Ohms using a wheatsone bridge more accurately than any modern MFT, and also does Varley and Murray loop tests to help find underground cable faults. It occasionally comes out to play for fault finding underground and tends to wow everyone that this old thing can do something the latest MFT can't.
On one occasion in the middle of the nowhere-ness of central Wales I dropped my Megger and ended up doing most of an initial verification with the BR7, much to the amusement of the plumbers. "He's winding up the gramophone again - anyone for a dance?!" (I'd already got a Ze and checked the RCD)
Thank you for the tour through your MFT collection. Never seen Ethos before but like the graphic presentation of test information. My only question would be durability? This was often the selling point used with the Megger 1730 etc in which the sales people would happily throw the instrument onto a concrete floor to prove its durability!
The 1730 served me well until I retired, and still gives good reporting on any tests including earth resistance, maybe because my original purchase included a hard case - very well worth any extra cost.
Batteries are an issue. Where do you reliably source ENELOOP batteries?
Sorry for the delay Steve, Eneloop batteries can be found on Amazon easily enough. They're made by Panasonic. It's funny you mention Megger reliability, that 15 series I just got recalibrated again this week after four years of it sitting idle. Absolutely bomb-proof, and I'm thinking of putting it back in the toolbox in place of the MFT Pro which currently has a fault. There's no disputing Megger and Fluke are safe bets if you can afford them.
@@dsesuk thank you. I really enjoy presentations on UA-cam particular the detective work with Nigel and the dry honest humour
I replaced my Fluke 1662 for an MFT pro after watching your vids on it. I love the form factor and the way it displays it’s test settings and results. My only fault is the test button is on the wrong side for a righty!
Thanks for the content Dave. There’s nothing I’d rather watch while sitting on the bog 👍🏻
I'm glad my content helps you to ease out a log Ian. I agree about the MFT test button placement. I notice their Eco model has both left and right Go buttons!
Great vid, my EV tester is a Beha.Amprobe EV-520-uk very expensive for what it is £600, i was under the impression that Fluke don't have a Fluke branded EV tester for the UK market. i use Fluke 1664FC Multi function tester, Test and Inspection label is at the printers, Thanks again. C. Billy Electrical Services.
You'll have your T&I labels before me Chris! I need to pull my finger out! I've just ordered an Ethos EV thang after looking at the Metrel and TIS versions. I went for Ethos because I don't do much EV work and it was cheeeeap compared to everything else. Of course, that may mean it's rubbish. I'm aggrieved because a few years ago I splashed out over £400 on the Rolec test adaptor and the damn thing is now obsolete because you can't change the CP state settings on it. Anyway, I'm hoping to marry the Ethos with the Metrel this week to test a new chargepoint we're putting in. Cheers again for the brews!
I was considering getting a Uni-T UT593AU as my first MFT for $640 plus $120 calibration but if it cannot be calibrated I think I will be going to the Kyoritsu 6010B for $930 plus $120 calibration.
I wish Kyoritsu would release the KT63 here in Australia.
When I sent mine off for repair, the comment from the repairer was that the Robin KTS1625 wasn't the greatest quality and that UNI-T was a poor rip off. Nonetheless, I do like its form-factor. If I were in the market now for another instrument, Kewtech/Kyoritsu would be a good go-to as they're well regarded. Have you considered importing one or would cost be prohibitive?
@@dsesuk thanks for replying David. I am fairly certain the cost of importation would be prohibitive, just checking eBay it would be $1153 AUD + $123 AUD postage + $226 import charges then calibration at $120. still cheaper than a Fluke 1662 at $1974 + $120 for calibration.
like I said I think I am going to go for the Kyoritsu 6010B for around $1050, a few hundreds savings isn't worth it if the tester just can't be calibrated.
It needs adjustment... calibration is just testing the readings.. Theirs alot of places that do the repairs but they may charge you more than the meter cost... I agree with the form factor thing I have an old 1563 for loop and rcd but my fault finding continuity and insulation are done with an alpha tech that like a digital version of the old Robin style form factor..
I've got the UNI-T UT595 - your case looks more "modern" than mine in that your buttons are square where mine are round. They're in an inset section in mine where it sort of just slopes on yours. Mine has the phase rotation and type A RCD support, and it was manufactured in 2016. I've never seen another spark with one like it and every time someone sees mine they usually say they like it and ask where I got it. You can buy them new on Aliexpress direct from China for about £400, but I got mine second hand from Ireland from a liquidations company. When it arrived it had stickers on it to show that it had originally come from a firm in my home town!
also, my case has a foam insert to stop it moving around and came with a bag of leads and a UK plug lead set. It also included one chunky monkey with a test button on the side so that you can take a Zs reading without needing a third hand.
Thanks Robin, that's interesting to hear. I have the chunky monkey probe too, although I'm not in the habit of using such. I really like the Robin, so it's a shame it's skewey on the loop testing. I will try to get it repaired though.
For replacing our dead gossen Mtech , we tried the second Metrel tester for a week or so , The testing was fine and all. But in the end all the testers produce a result. we didnt like the way the numbers were presented in the measurements rapport. We asked our supplier if it is possible to change the layout of a rapport. and it wasnt ...( not at that time.. not sure how it is now ) .. This is why we didn't go with the eurotest.. Instead we bought a gossen intro.. being familliar with the software also played a part for sure.
Do they calibrate your meters, or just check calibration to confirm accuracy?
I should ask this next time my meter goes in.
I always thought they checked the calibration and adjusted it if required. But after watching your video, maybe they just confirm whether it's accurate or not (pass/fail).
I've always gone for Megger because I thought it's so common that every calibration house will be very familier with it and know how to adjust or repair. Maybe I'm wrong.
I'm retired now but still maintain a MFT1721 for work at home and little jobs for family & friends.
A wholesaler event will be checking only, they won't be opening up your gear to twiddle anything. As you say though, the chance of finding someone who can tweak a better known brand is greater than that of an underdog.
I really like the Ethos MFT, a nice colour coded dial, a colour display and a simple pass indication in big letters. Only 5p cheaper than a Fluke 1662 though at CEF.
Really? That's a bit shocking.
Alright Dave. Love your videos. Have you ever tried Lidl Scottish IPA beverages. I was a lager drinker until I tried them. Wouldn't go back. Maybe just available in Scotland 🤔
Can't say I've had the pleasure Andrew. Maybe I'll pop over to Lidl and see what they've got on the shelf that I can drown some cash and my remaining brain cells on!
Im gonna design a tester with the form of the amprobe, the screen of the metrel/ethos and the reliability and battery of the fluke and megger
I'll buy three! Take my money!
How many bloody testers you got Dave 😂
Fan bloody tastic Dave how do you get on the beers list?
Link in description John old fruit!
David I bought a Ethos 8400 think its part of CEF yes comes with a foam cover on top of MFT and a tote for all the leads I love the large display
Thanks Kevin. How do you find using the thing out in the wild?
As its my first MFT I don't know if its better or worse than others I do know its the same MFT as brand Socket & See
@@cranefamily I was impressed with the 8400; I'll have to take it out to site and use it in anger. I suppose only time will tell regarding robustness and reliability. You know you're getting those qualities with a Fluke/Megger, but lesser known brands have to prove themselves.
Please try out and let me know your thoughts it has a supply cable polarity check feature next to test button also will measure the impedance of the Loop which includes an element of reactance. This can be significant where the distribution board is close to supply transformer not sure if these features are the norm on other MFTs
I'm glad you won David, although how disappointing that the loop test is not accurate. Hopefully you can repair her and she can be of service to you one day!
If not, I think you ought to chip in John, seeing as it's all your fault an' all. Shall we say two hundred quid??
@@dsesuk I might have to pull the old "I thought I'd paid that invoice" card on you for a while whilst I save up!
@@johnbrain6790 Cheque's in the post?
@@dsesuk after nigh on 20 years being self employed, as you can imagine, I have quite a back catalogue of excuses which have been relayed to me haha!
👍 for the first 5 seconds....
marco reps on youtube would be best bet to calibrate that thing
I've used metrel for ages and bought a 1552 I think it's the battery life and the hands free continuity for me at them pendants
I wonder why more MFT's don't have an autostart function for continuity and loop testing like the Megger does?
as for calibration, i got my PAT tester back from calibration, certificate says its within tolerance but i am still getting higher that average reading on lead tests, they must have fudged the results but they deny it
Good video,
I like the Ethos sound, reminds me of Buck Rogers sound effects.
Have you heard of the seaward powertest?
I haven't come across the Seaward Ian. I didn't know they even had an MFT offering, although I have an ancient Seaward MFT from around 20 years ago, sadly not in a working condition. Have you tried their wares yourself?
@@dsesuk
I’m just starting out, can’t afford a decent MFT yet,
I’ve got the Seaward PowerTest 1557, it’s ok, but awkward to use as it has no neck strap,
Does all the tests but no phase rotation, very basic and the leads feel a bit flimsy.
I would send a pic but there’s no Facility to do so on UA-cam
That’s why my kyoritsurcd tester is the same as your robin one
Hello David.
The case you plug the UNi-T in to what is that? :)
That's a Megger MTB7671/2 checkbox Simon.
In the market for a new mft liking the Metrel, but now the Ethos may be a viable option not much in price between the two can't justify the price of the touch screen one and don't do ev.
Great video on these testers.
I've no experience with Ethos outside of receiving this model, but I guess the point is there's a wider array of brands out there without it always coming down to a Megger vs. Fluke standoff. Touchscreens aren't a must for anyone, although the manufacturers will say there are fewer moving parts to go wrong, but find something well reviewed that's in your budget and covers the range of functions you need now and maybe in the future.
Briliant video, thanks!
Thanks for watching as always Jose!
Brilliant but Carlsberg really??
This is what life as an electrician has reduced me to.
I've always tended towards Fluke, but these days there's little to choose between the brands - ultimately a case of whatever floats your boat. Personally prefer the more traditional big clunky rotary switch approach as it is quick, easy & you can see what you're doing at a glance rather than than having to navigate through menus etc., but then I am a bit of an old fart!
I'm with you on the rotary dials - easy to see what's selected without diving into a submenu!
The new Kewtech kt 66(ev) mft is a good piece of kit that is sophisticated yet simple to use.....can you do a piece on one of them please.. Also thanks for the shout out, famous at last.....
For some reason, a Kewtech MFT has never happened my way. I do plan on doing some EV testing shortly, but on the Metrel and using an Ethos EV adaptor because I can't afford anything else!
I’d be interested in taking a look at the Robin Amprobe fault, will repair for free if I can find out what the fault is. Been repair engineer for a calibration house for 10+ years and never seen one!
I'd be interested in taking you up on that Kev!
@@dsesuk I’ll give you a bell tomorrow. Just been to Retrotech in your neck of the woods too…
Any opinions on Di-Log? I'm using the DL911x series for about 18 months and absolutely love it
I've no experience of the Dilog Des, aside from once seeing one in the flesh when someone was working with us and had one. I'm glad to hear it works for you through.
Not sure about chauvin arnoux MFTs and Gossen mettrawatt MFTs. I have to say Gossen Mettrawatt Electrical safety testers are very good even better still the software it comes with and softwares updates will add additional new functionality over time. Very nice.
Oh, I so want a Gossen Mettrawatt Profitest - the tank commander's choice! Sadly, not on these shores or in my price range!
@@dsesuk yes I understand they are expensive but they are quality tools sell some of the older testers and consolidate into 2-3 quality testers. I have some Gossen-Mettrawatt tools expensive but definitely been pleasantly surprised with them. It can be a bit difficult to get hold of but living in the USA I did buy them from Europe. They also own Dranetz in US and their power quality meters are superb Pegasuselectrical has one I believe. Their multimeters are a bit hit and miss next to fluke Keysight do some great multimeters. Of course Keysight together with Rhode and Schwarz are one of the best oscilloscope manufacturers.
Excellent show down dude. I nearly bought a Kewtech once and then I woke up, cleaned my bed sheets from shite and bought a Megger. Do you ever compare your old Avo analogue meter to the modern day gear? Have you ever plugged it in to your glory case for example?
Sadly, the Avo is a non-worker, otherwise I'd have had it on the checkbox by now!
@@dsesuk that is a shame. I often wonder if my grandfather's old avo would get beyond the nipple test. 🤔
Hi David try re-cal ltd. They are manchester but collect they do robin .
I have had many testers repaired by them decent price too.
Or if not them the calibration center I have used them as well but are a bit more expensive
Thanks for the recommendation. I doubt the thing really is wholly unrepairable as Pass claim!
I was told my tester was not repairable buy a company but recal sorted it worth an email to ask. Shame that you brought it and it
Fails one thing
Nice vid dave will from total tv and satellite solutions Ireland
Thanks Will!
👍🌈🤣 Really useful meter review.
‘Which?’ Should employ you for the reviews 😂
I'm sure I'll be kicked off Which? one day. I've already had my knuckles rapped over how I should present myself as a representative of theirs on their Trusted Trader scheme!
Hi David
Have you thought about sending the tester with the loop fault to big clive? Im sure he would have a good go at it for you 👍 also dilog test instruments you dont hear much about but are good quality for the money iv the DL9118 mft
I hadn't thought of sending it to the big man. I definitely want to explore repair though; I don't believe Pass' claim of parts no longer being available. Dilog, like Kewtech and, until now, Ethos, is a brand I haven't really had any exposure to. We had a chap out on the van with us a few months ago who had a Dilog MFT, but that's the only one I've come close to out in the wild. If I recall correctly, it had a blue backlit LCD which I didn't really like.
Can you do a video on the Fluke?
I'm afraid I no longer have the Fluke - I passed it on to a young chap who was starting out in the game.
@@dsesuk No problem David. I’ve just started out myself and managed to pick one up at a great price.
So, what is your favourite tester for accuracy and getting the job done..
Probably the Metrel MI3100s, the only one in the collection that I bought new. Easy to use, feature rich and with an excellent display. We've been using the Metrel MI3152 more of late - may as well while we've got it on loan.
Not sure how the other brands get on, but I've seen virtually zero drift on my Fluke over 5 years. Measurement repeatability over time and temperature is usually the differentiating factor on metrology equipment.
There's no doubting the quality of Fluke gear. Have you any experience poking around in the guts of any MFT's Steve?
@@dsesuk only some of the lower end testers. Some of the individual units like those from Socket and See are surprisingly decent inside. Metrel and Fluke have good multimeter history and you'd be sure you're safe up to the CAT rating. Fluke are reliable, but seem to stay away from fancy functionality. I doubt we'll see a nice TFT screen any time soon
I am in the states Fluke reliability and lack of drift reflects the quality of components and PCB design robust and repeatable.
I have a ethos 7920 has been very good not let me down but am looking for something more up to date will have to save my pennies and sell my sole to the devil
Amie has some loops named after her 😂
The Barratt-Singh loops were installed especially for her last year!
You keep saying that colour screens eat through the batteries but there's no good reason they should use significantly more power than a mono screen.
A fixed LCD with a puny green LED backlight that comes on only when a result is displayed is less of a drain than a full colour always-on affair. On something that may be needed for several hours on a set of AA's, it has a significant effect.
@@dsesuk Then they need better backlight control or don't use AA's, have they never heard of cell phones or tablets and Lithium ion batteries? It's still got little to do with it being colour, it's more to do with shit design choices, if you haven't interacted with it for a while then turn the backlight/screen off, a simple tap of the screen or use of the controls will turn it back on, it's not fucking rocket science.
What happens when Metrel enters the war ffs
Also with metrel do you think buying new batteries would help the battery issue out?
Stick some of those Eneloop batteries in there: amzn.to/2Ws9nzr - some instruments have a menu option where you can tell it if Alkaline or NiMh batteries have been installed as there's a voltage difference, 1.5V for the former, 1.2V for the rechargeables.
I replaced the cells in my 3152 with Ansmann and saw a vast improvement over the stock. My later Metrel A1507 3 phase adaptor was supplied with Ansmann cells.
Now then Mr S, will you please stop putting yourself down in the comments about the worth of your videos, as with the previous ones this is really entertaining. It might even be better as an "ad hoc" presentation. Also, didn't you say in your last vid you were stopping the shout outs for "Buy me a coffee/beer"? I don't do it for a shout out but in appreciation for your hard work in entertaining me as you do. If I lived nearer I would offer the two of you a trip to the pub.
Anyhoooo... I have a Megger MFT1741+ which left the factory as a MFT1741 but went for the Dover factory upgrade to a few years ago to the 1741+ for £89+VAT and £7+VAT for courier, though you have to pay for it getting there yourself but really good value for money. I mention it for the benefit of current 1741 owners who enjoy your channel and whose device might be coming up for calibration as you get a new calibration certificate included, plus the ability to do EV with the upgrade. I am looking to do the C&G2919 EV charging course in the near future as I hear on the grapevine you will need a qualification to do EV soon and not just any competant person. The upgrade is ONLY availalble for the 1741 though.
As for yearly calibration..... having seen your video on your Megger MTB7671/2 checkbox, I went and bought a pre-owned one ( we don't seem to say second-hand anymore do we?) On my NICEIC assessment, the assessor pointed out that as I had only had my Calibration House certificate done a few weeks before buying the checkbox, and recording weekly checks of my MFT, I didn't need to pay for the yearly ones as long as the MFT figures remained consistant. Have you had that info as it would save you a lot of money with the amount of MFTs you have?
Keep up the good work Old Bean.
Olly, I would *never* advise people to not buy me a beer! Don't put the willies up me like that! As far as calibration is concerned, if I have one instrument with an in-date certificate and I use that on assessment day, then they haven't anything to moan about. In-house, I'll use what I want so long as I know it's reporting numbers that are sane.
@@dsesuk🤔.. I apologise for you getting the wrong end of the stick. Of course you don't turn downn free beers, or coffees, or anything for that matter. I was refering to, what may have been something I dreamt or an age thing as it were, but I could have sworn you said on a video not that long ago that you were going to stop the shout outs, NOT the accepting of them. Thanks for getting back though.
@@olly7673 Oh, not at all, the shoutouts are my favourite bit old sport! I think it's great that we have a little community on here of like minded types all contributing to deciphering how we're supposed to do the day job! I hope you didn't read my response the wrong way, it wasn't meant as an admonishment! It was also 100% Heineken fuelled when authored last night!
@@dsesuk I did have an inklng, seeing your reply was at 10.30pm on a Sunday night might have involved the amber nectar. 😉 Have a great week.
That's right anual calibration is not a regulation or legal requiment it is only the manufactures recodmendation , if you have a check box and check your testers against that say every three momths and keep a witan record then that is acceptible . That is what the NICEIC and NAPIT told me .
it's always a good thing to watch your videos; because they're not about an EV install like all the other electrical videos of the lesser sparks' are these days, and they're featuring somebody who knows their stuff. My only complaint is that there are not enough of them; but unlike many other creators you don't add to the charge paid by your customers in order to be able to pay to hire a cameraman and create your videos from their house; thus in effect making your customer pay to keep your constant stream of content issuing forth on a regular basis to boost your YT ratings. - I can only commend you for that fact.
Whatever happened to Nigel? He is sorely missed.
You'll be pleased to hear a video about installing an EV charger is on the cards. I'm pretty sure nobody else has such content on here, but I haven't gone looking and might be wrong! Nigel's still around, I just haven't brought him out of the cupboard lately. I'll dust him down for the next one!
For some reason I for the life of me cannot work out I am watching this again but without CC being on this time. Your urination came up as applause and your whistling as music. Just a wee observation.
In the next video, we'll find out what CC does when I take a post-Guinness dump!
disappointed about the lack of test lead action i myself bum fluke test leads , they are the best and ill fight anyone who disagrees
Always important to splash out on decent leads. Nige, the fool, bought new leads for his Megger off eBay and, while cheap, they were useless for the task of allowing the instrument to spit out reliable numbers!
Well well you have been forced into registering for VAT and serveral videos ( including your last one) have been shadow banned. I always knew you would be penalised.
VAT's a pain in the ass, but that was always going to happen eventually as the threshold hasn't been raised but the cost of doing business has. As for videos being age restricted on UA-cam, well who gives a toss? Google will always do what Google wants to. Hasn't stopped you from tuning in.
@@dsesuk @David Savery Electrical Services 3 things then... VAT, rising costs and your foul mouthed videos being shadow banned. I don't view your videos. You have violated Google's T.O.S and will soon be in breach of the other platform you frequent - Twitter. Profanity, violant and threaten behaviour isn't welcome on these platforms.
I had to send my Megger directly to them for repair. I questioned the wholesalers before their annual calibration day if their guys can actually repair Megger as it was displaying a fault on earth loop test no "yeah they will do the initial calibration, then if something fails give you the price for a repair" B***cks!. Eventually I called Megger and the gist is unless they are approved they can't touch it anyway. Megger told me the fault code was the temperature sensor had failed (although I couldn't find this anywhere myself online).
But I agree I do wonder how good/accurate and worthwhile this all is. To be honest you know what you should be expecting with in reason while testing, so would notice if your own instrument started playing up.
But this has also now led me to rethink who calibrates my meters. Like you say, all they are using a glorified check box? Surely the point is to adjust the Meters back to there required/original settings if awry.
But I need to stop being a cheap skate where the wholesalers charge £25 for a check box and £40 for an MFT it's hard to justify the £78+ vat +courier to send it to Megger. Especially with the last one I sent via f**king Hermes/Ervi and the never got it there. Showed me a picture of the driver leaving my boxed up tester outside the locked 🔐 gates on a signed for delivery W**kers!!.
Great video as always 👌🍻👍
The wholesaler 'calibration' is just a check that the right numbers are being spouted out on the day; they won't do anything to adjust or correct anything awry. I don't like sending my kit off for the very reason you mention.
@@dsesuk I used the old Robin testers at college and initially at the firm when carrying out my apprenticeship. Then I brought a set of three digital ones when first starting out, rather than then the old needle type But the D lock for Earth loop testing was rubbish. Soon I got the Megger MFT1552, which got stolen. I then got another, then 1720 & have eventually after over a year of trying got the 1741+ with ev adaptor. I just really like the simplicity and build quality (a twisty knob, nice and simple) of Megger. I hate fluke MFT's and the Metrel looks far to complicated for my simple 🧠.
I'm a bit jealous I didn't keep my old testers after seeing your videos. I donated mine to an upper to school I was working in. They were trying to teach construction & electrical. How with no trained staff from the industry just teachers, who knows!?!.
I have to say though although I have been doing this since before I left school you and the efixx boys are an invaluable source of information. Even though I did my apprenticeship with several different electricians none of them had the understanding or maths knowledge you do. You have done some impressive videos much better than these bloody CPD's and you are head and shoulders above the other you tubers. I particular like the phantom earth one and the resistance and maths finding the location if a fault and the meters left on a drum of cable. Top stuff keep it up