Why you should DUMP Cinema 4D for HOUDINI (in 2024)
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- Опубліковано 27 вер 2024
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Well, it's like the title says. I'm going to give you 10 compelling reasons why you, as a 3D Artist, should dump Cinema 4D, and start using Houdini instead, this year. But first a quick overview of the two companies.
Houdini is developed by Toronto-based SideFX, who adapted it from the PRISMS suite of procedural generation software tools.
Houdini is most commonly used for the creation of visual effects in film and television. It is used by major VFX companies such as Walt Disney Animation Studios, Pixar, DreamWorks Animation, Double Negative and ILM, to name a few.
Cinema 4D is a 3D software suite developed by the German company Maxon. It has gained a strong foothold in the marketing and advertising industries, chiefly for it's 3d motion graphics capabilities and its simple user interface that allows for a super fast turn around on projects.
So with that quick introduction out of the way, let's discuss 10 reasons why Houdini is superior to Cinema 4D.
Number 1. The node based workflow.
Houdini's node-based workflow offers a level of flexibility and control that is unparalleled when compared to Cinema 4D's layer-based, destructive workflow. In Houdini, each node represents a specific operation, and the connections between them create a procedural network, enabling artists to experiment and iterate with ease. This non-destructive approach allows for easy modification and fine-tuning of effects, without disrupting the entire project. On the other hand, Cinema 4D's layer-based workflow relies on stacking operations in a linear manner, which can hinder the creative process and make revisiting previous stages challenging. Which in turn, can make your demanding clients even more challenging.
Number 2. Automatic History Control.
The node based workflow gives you an automatic, limitless history, allowing you to undo or tweak anything you did, since starting the project. In comparison packages like Cinema 4D and others, tend to have a fixed undo limit, beyond which, well, you're screwed.
Number 3. It doesn't require plugins.
Cinema 4D may be one of the leading 3d packages, but what if you one day, had the requirement to create a waterfall? Or a car explosion? Well, you would have to purchase 3rd party plugins like RealFlow and FumeFX to achieve this. Houdini has clouds, fluids, explosions and dozens of other simulation systems, all built in, natively. This allows for more control over your project, as these systems can communicate with your other geometry nodes seamlessly. Not to mention, save you money, and time.
Number 4. Better mograph.
Cinema 4D is known as the king of mograph, but what if I told you that Cinema 4D actually had superior 'moGraph', inverted commas. A common counter-argument is that too many nodes are required to achieve the same effect, as Cinema 4D. Well, here is a mograph effect created in Houdini, using only 3 nodes, which might be even fewer steps, than creating the same in Cinema 4D. Not to mention Houdini allows the integration of fluids and explosions into your moGraph type effects, allowing for crazier looking animations.
So what do you reckon? Time to switch over to Houdini?
No.
No, Houdini is an FX program, not a 3d modeling and animation program.
@@MAGAMAN This
No, technology is changing so fast we dont need to learn something so hard
I switched at 2019.Looking back now I really appreciate that my boss force me switched to Houdini.I don't want to go back C4D anymore.less of crash ,no plugins.All things are really flexible and powerfull.Cause I'm using karma so no need third party render engine. As you said window is really suckkkkkkkkk 100%agree wi that.
You don't need to choose; instead, consider using both! This approach is actually adopted by professionals and I know many who do so.
How would the Workflow works?
@@kraney195 u do most of the complex simulation in Houdini then export it into C4D, or I prefer to model in C4D then Import into Houdini.
I used C4d for almost 8 years! Honestly, the best decision I made was to switch to Houdini. If you want to focus on simulation / cloth / particles, switch to Houdini. If you're more into traditional character / modelling / motion graphics, then stick with C4d.
Don't get disappointed at first if you don't get to do great things, just keep learning and take your time to learn.
Very well said. Houdini has the best simulations, and is even used by Unreal Engine in its new updatew
@@jeffbb22 C4D user for 8 years. You had me up until "more stable" - maybe this is just Octane's plugin integration with C4D, but holy crashing Batman (technically freezes). Just that level of instability is making me look elsewhere, like Blender.
@@davidlegnon9696 🤣 what I meant was Cinema4D is more stable with large scene. Sometimes I can’t even render in Blender on large scene
@@jeffbb22 that is a fair point. I just finished a very heavy scene with a ton of XREFS and almost 500 textures. Several months of work but if I had to guess Cinema would crash at least 10 times a day. I got into the habit of saving incrementally (001, 002, etc) because I was scared auto-backups would crash and I would lose the whole project.
@@jeffbb22 When do you use Octane or Redshift? I'm not sure about their differences.
As a user of both packages, I can assure you that most of the features mentioned completely useless for an average user. You should ask yourself if you really need all of this control and proceduralism. If you really need to revisit tour projects so many steps back, you doing something really wrong.
And learning curve is pretty steep. By the time you learn how to make something in Houdini you might already finish your project in Cinema 4D.
So, make absolutely sure you really need this package.
That is true cinema 4d is great for hobbyists or for student projects etc.
@Angulin Hiduje that's completely false. Cinema 4d has been used by professionals including myself for a very long time and the license would be a very expensive purchase for hobbyists.
@@kuunami I mean there are many softwares that have been used by pros that are great for beginners.
And if you think broke ass students pay for licences you've never been one yourself lol
@@angulinhiduje6093 houdini is 269 per year for indie......
@@rd-cv4vm that's not that much tbh.
Cinema 4D is the king of user friendly UI among 3D softwares, and that is IMPORTANT.
Yes it is, I use Cinema 4D most of the time
I completely agree. I love Blender - but switching to it from C4D was super hard. C4D has excellent and probably the best UI and interaction. I think Blender was created more from a technical standpoint or a software engineer standpoint - and C4D for the pure artist who is new to technical approaches
Mediocre program made by mediocre programmers for mediocre users
@@hd-be7di "Mediocre program made by mediocre programmers for mediocre users"
Disagree and just plain rude. There are a ton of strengths in C4D, exponentially so if you know Python
It's really only important to beginners of the software or people who are intimidated by software. Everyone who has had to learn multiple software knows there's a light at the end of the tunnel. A breakthrough point where any software becomes familiar. If one can put their fears aside they'd almost always choose power over user-friendliness.
Dumping c4d for houdini is like dumping windows for linux lol
I use both...kinda the same way I use dual boot Windows/Linux
It is even disgusting to use C4D in the first place
I mean yeah, that's a good analogy! Windows is... Easy to use, and common. While Linux is advanced, strong, powerful and industry ready, being used in almost all servers in the profesional world
Kinda like C4D and Houdini
dude great analogy man. i'll up your ante and say dumping c4d for houdini is like dumping using a macbook for linux, it's that much more manual
That's not apple to apple comparison. Houdini isn't free as linux
I use Cinema 4D, Houdini Indie, and also Blender. I am actually a big fan of Houdini Indie but nothing compares to the ease of use and creative flow of Cinema 4D! Houdini Indie is superior in a lot of ways but its complexity gets in it own way. Like for example Houdini has like 10 separate Group Nodes when it really should only have 1 simple Group Node. Houdini needs to work on their User Experience (UX) and also reduce their node complexity especially if you are a Creator or Animator and not a Technical Artist!
no it doesn't , houdini is made to be granular so you can do everything your way.i think you miss the point of how to use houdini and what it is made for
@@rd-cv4vm I can see if Houdini is a $4000 tool for large studios and Technical Artists but now that 3D and procedural Is becoming more mainstream and procedural approaches are used now by Creators and Artists, Houdini's granular node complexity is holding it back!
@@Create-The-Imaginable houdini indie is 269 per years., which has everything houdini fx has.....cheaper than c4d,. And again, you dont know how to use it so you feel it is complicated
@@Create-The-Imaginable Personally for me the node system is such a huge breath of fresh air vs C4D and Blender. I love learning all the different nodes, it feels super intuitive and not complex at all.
@@rd-cv4vm yes, from a coder point of view nothing is complicated. Same from an sculptor point of view, but its perfectly ok to be an artist and not a coder and viceversa. Its also ok to be both. What is not ok is to tell people to ditch a software just because someone thinks what is best for others.
You forgot to mention MOPS, a game changing nodes extension to make motion graphics (and much more) in Houdini.
Although, Houdini is definitely not as user friendly as C4D, but when you make your own HDAs and your shelf tools and presets, you can work really fast with it! Even faster than in C4D or Blender.
thanks for pointing this out, I will try this plugin
And MOPS (Motion Operators for Houdini) is free open source! :D Can't get much better than that.
The Houdini interface and the node dump will make any new user suffer greatly and for a long time
so basically like using blender then.. although it has greatly improved.. it's still like having your skull turn to mush
Blender has a terrible UI...total mess like ZBrush
@@Quick_VFX i disagree disrespectfully
@@Quick_VFX If Blender has a terrible UI then how come Maxon copied Blender's UI, icons, layout, color scheme, nodes UI, nodes noodles, multi color multi shaped sockets etc.?
@@Quick_VFX I soo much disagree respectfully, there's nothing wrong with the u.i.
I find using Houdini to be easier to use than C4D and Blender when it comes to iterating your ideas. The node system makes so easy to swap out and adjust things on the fly. It may be harder to pickup if you're not used to that workflow but I love it and I wish more creative software implemented node trees.
What about Geometry Nodes?
@@sanjuanrj Geometry nodes were the reason i left blender, they definitely changed the future of blender but they're still in development i found that there's no use to learn them since most of what i learn will change anyways
it the the power point but in general I tried alot
I stuck in VEX I died I felt I am so stupid because it is hard
but I love houdini
I get this. I'm still learning but I feel ya.@
@@IRONMARTIN-Episodes-rg3ww the best way to learn it
you have to consider VEX like you are in china and you have to stay their for long time , so by days listening reading writing you will learn the language , it is building slowly
moving from c4d to houdini has been the best decision ever. nothing is impossible. these days i see lots of houdini features n workflows being introduced to blender. that is great. it will allow ppl to realise that houdini isnt as scary as ppl think it is
It's amazing because even if you are missing a tool, you can make your own node for it. It's literally the most bare bones 3D software you can get, the true blank canvas
I can do everything in Houdini, but it makes me tired and wasting so much time. And in C4D I can create fantastic amazing beautiful animated scenes with high quality with the flow is extremely fast, smooth, convenient and it makes me over the top. That is the most important thing. I don't choose, I use both. For the works that each other cannot do instead together.
Houdini for agency work is a godsend. Notorious agency curveball feedback is a piece of cake to deal with in Houdini.
Thank you. Everyone here is saying 'Houdini sucks for doing things quickly'...err...no...truth is Node based workflow i.e. Nuke is the correct way, and other ways are wrong...objectively
Ok, I am convinced. One thing is flustating me, I have spent a looooot of money for c4d courses, materials, plugins and finally have some decent workflow. But houdini could be nice for particle simulations. Making trees or growing grass on large scale is a nightmare in c4d.
I would disagree with dumbing C4D and using Houdini, first of all, these two are completely two different programs in workflows and almost everything. you guys should stop all these" stop using this and use this app, Artists should use whichever app they're comfortable with.
I agree with almost all your points except number 10! I have worked with both software extensively and I can say for sure that learning Cinema 4D is definitely easier and more intuitive than Houdini. I know a lot of people who have worked with both software have the same opinion.
Hardly agreed. I use 80% c4d and 20% Houdini just because it is so difficult and complex to start and finish a simple project.
In my opinion, If you build a huge and complex project with C4D you can have a lot of issues when reopen the project after a while; get for instance the tags, you have not in C4D a so clear and immediate flow. in Houdini, if you organize your work, inserting notes and descriptions, you can reload in your mind any details of your work; in C4D you don't have the same visualization of all elements. A very complex work in C4D, with Xpresso too, is much more complex to handle respect a huge Houdini work. And then, in Houdini you could reach often the same result with juts a couple of nodes (very clear nodes) while in C4D you have open the objects, the tags, see the fields, if a tag is an Xpresso you have to enter inside and reload your brain. In medium and long terms Houdini is simple and fast to learning compared to other software. The Indie liecense is round 300$ for tho years that's means 12 $ per month the same price of UA-cam PRIME .. for instane :-)
I also used C4D since 11.5 but the pricing got out of hand at S22, with X-Particles, Turbulence FD, Octane + + +. The only reason I have not yet jumped into Houdini is because of the absolute alien elements of older tutorials. It was either a case of assuming you had a physics degree, or else that you had been using Houdini for a while. The "Do this, then that" was all too often missing the long winded "WHY"? Against this, as soon as you logged into Firefox there were 10,000 ultra simple to follow tutorials for C4D. Thanks to this video I have a feeling that the landscape has dramatically changed, perhaps because money has really become an issue when it comes to 3D software. I think the last attempt I made was 16 so I will now follow your link and try again. Many thanks!
Houdini 19 onwards is more artist friendly. A lot of ease of life improvements.
1, 2, 5, & 6 all boil down to the same point of additional control in a non-destructive workflow. Nearly half of your list is based on the same talking point. So if your end uses required control as a paramount feature you’re all set. I used to think that procedure was superior. In some instances, it can be. In other areas, committing is just better (it’s not that scary). Building a system to make something can be way too time-consuming compared to just making the thing. If the project calls for many variants of the same thing, then make a system. C4D has so much capability to be non-destructive as well. Generally, I think C4D has a better balance and is more streamlined to an end goal.
The pros said , it's the artist not the software. I try to switch to Houdini but each time I return to c4d , the time I will learn Houdini if invested in c4d I will be more advance
I use both....lol...no rules that say you need to choose one
You obviously have never watched Chris Schmidt of Rocketlasso. Every week he creates incredible animations in C4D that are TOTALLY non-destructive. To say that C4D is destructive means that you have not updated C4d since R12.
Actually Cinema 4d does have a node system, which they are updating and is quite powerful, so you have the best of both worlds. Car explosions and liquid sims are also possible using pyro without any plugins.
c4d pyro is gpu, it will hang fast if you try to make something actually of scale.. people underestimate what houdini can take, not a single software can handle the amount of data houdini can . c4d is good but not close to houdini, even for mograph houdini completely wrecks c4d.
The only thing that makes me not want to learn Houdini is programming language.
One of the things that interests me in these programs is modeling and motion graphics. Do I need programming skills to do this??
Yes and no.
Most of the time you can get by without writing code, but sooner or later you'll want to use it because it's more fun and faster. You also need to understand that node systems are also programming, just visual.
I finally decided this August to start with formal classes of Houdini at a local FX school, and I'm surprised about how easy is to start. As any software I'm sure that it's a looooooong way, but I'm not intimidated anymore :)
Get it!
Is it an online school? It will be very nice of you to provide the name of the institute. Thanks.
dude i highly disagree with this video man, houdini is significantly harder to learn and if it was actually that easy to learn everybody would use it and c4d would be outta business.
I once showed my class how to use the deformers in C4D. The Houdini expert in the group commented how much easier it was in C4D to use deformers. He still uses Houdini of course. So what is the moral of the story? There isn't one. It was just a story. Use what works for you.
you should just add how many master degrees you need to cope with Houdini :)
it is not just a node, it is a ton of nodes, nodes inside the nodes, parameters and programming which means your brain has to be a computer to understand and use it well :))
Thank you, I just started to learn Houdini and did a simple lava simulation. I was surprised as to how real and incredible it looked
People complaining about the 200$ Houdini Indie license when C4D is 1K+ for a year 😂
because they dont know anything about houdini and just run their mouth. they dont even get that houdini crush c4d in mograph
Exactly this! Or they say „blender is free but you have to pay for the addons“ whereas you pay like 20-100 euros for an Addon you can use forever while you pay 100 euros per month for C4D+Redshift
The pleasure that Cinema 4D's strengths bring is something Houdini could never achieve. Use both to experience. Most importantly, different experiences bring different happiness. Stop convincing people with distorted and one-sided views !
I can do everything in Houdini, but it makes me tired and wasting so much time. And in C4D I can create fantastic amazing beautiful animated scenes with high quality with the flow is extremely fast, smooth, convenient and it makes me over the top. That is the most important thing. I don't choose, I use both. For the works that each other cannot do instead together. Now C4D release 2024.1 with huge improved performance and now I even can do a lot more !
Definitely going to do work in Houdini this year!! Thanks for the knowledge, because nodes within a node like THAT plus customizing points and how there were only three nodes for that mograph animation you showed is absolutely insane..
I wanted to know, how about keyframing? Is it a pain in the ass doing complex animation with keyframes or is there an easy way to do it without keyframing at all?
I think you should update this as there's a lot of things you said "waterfalls, explosions" that are done with ease WITHOUT plugs now in C4D.
I tested Houdini on both Kali Linux and Windows 10, and it works faster on Windows 10. especially if you have a CPU with E and P cores. All Linux OS don't utilize E cores well
Agreed. Houdini is not difficult, it's a plugin maker, fits in any pipeline. SideFX made Solaris which is absolutely fantastic. The "god-like" power is definitely what puts Houdini above all others. I have to mention Lightwave, which is also based on the manipulation of points and has a very good nodal system; and with the new owner, has everything to bright again.
I've been experiencing all the trial versions of the software for almost a year now, and I'm still experiencing it. The most impressive was cinema 4d and the worst was houdini. It is the most difficult program, and I feel like I will spend my whole life learning it before I can achieve any purpose. It is also a tricky program, with errors and bugs that occur every time you try it, and it is difficult to get the same result even if you watch the tutorial and follow it exactly 10 times. Maybe it's because I'm using Houdini Apprentice, but the free trial of c4d was really good. I was able to try a lot of things without any errors or the program freezing. Also, CINEMA 4D runs well even with low PC specs. My pc is a ryzen 5950x, RTX4070ti, 64G ram, pcie 4.0 nvme ssd, which are not very good specs, but they are too low specs to run houdini and cinema 4d ran fine. It's my personal opinion, but houdini is the worst program ever. I deleted Houdini Apprentice.
I was pretty advanced with Cinema 4D and VFX in general before picking up Houdini...It took me around 1 year of intense concentration and daily tutorials to grasp the basics and not feel sick from confusion. But now everything just makes sense. A dev programming background really helps
Your limited knowledge on C4D renders you (pun intended) inadequate to make such a video in 2023.
1) Node-based Workflow - You mention nothing about the 3 Node-based systems C4D supports. You also claim C4D has a destructive workflow which is totally unfounded and false.
2) Unlimited History - C4D supports up to 1000 undo steps. If it's usual for you to need more than 10 undo steps maybe you should learn better your software. And since C4D offers 90% of the time a non-destructive workflow, deep undoing is very rare.
3) C4D wasn't designed to be a VFX tool. So your argument doesn't make sense. It's like someone pointing at you in an undervalued way stating you are no Physicist and thus you shouldn't be creating art involving physics with any other help. Anyway C4D 2023 supports gas simulations so maybe you should have made this video 2 years ago.
4) Better Mograph - Your 3 node example is exactly 3 objects in C4D's Object Manager. Potato-Potahto but because you want to present your potato as a better one you should just ignore making a comparison example with C4D....
5) God-like Power - Are you claiming that C4D has no control over individual points ? The fact that their is no granular simulation system has been covered in #3
6) Nodes within Nodes - Are you high ? C4D's SceneNodes system is full of encapsulated nodes !
7) Linux - Big Deal... Hey, let's hear some Blender guy jumping in and have a "small" talk... If you use Linux you better be prepared to have alternative options for other professional apps too...
8) Growing Adoption - C4D is also being adopted by big companies and studios but don't bother mentioning that because you might loose views...
9) It's Free - Your mentioning about watermarks is just ridiculous. Funny you don't also mention when Indie stops being free.
10) Easy to Learn - That's not an argument against C4D. You couldn't reach the end of your 6 minute video without forgetting what you were talking about !
It is destructive, end of. You cannot go back and undo an extrusion while modelling...stop making up stuff
@@Quick_VFX You clearly have no idea about how SceneNodes or Capsules or the Bevel Deformer works or even how the Correction Deformer can work. There are many ways you can work non-destructively like Bools, Effectors and SDFs. But even when non-destructive modeling is not an option it still doesn't make Houdini better, just you a bad modeler. It's like comparing a traditional artist ,that can only paint additively, with one that paints with Photoshop and arguing that Photoshop is better because it supports undo and traditional painting is a destructive workflow.... You just cherry-pick specific commands that differentiate the two apps just to categorize C4D as destructive on purpose while it's not. I'm pretty sure that you think Houdini is the only non-destructive 3D software out there. So poor, so narrowminded way to compare things.
You could have made so many better arguments on why someone should switch to Houdini (like many others have done before you) but you picked all the wrong ones.
The video was outdated the moment it was uploaded. Pure disinformation. Take it down. Make a better one.
An objective one.
@@Quick_VFX there are literally extrusion nodes in c4d now... i agree houdini is very powerful but your knowledge on c4d seems to be very outdated. c4d's node system is far from perfect, hell even conistent but it works if u want a non destructive workflow. even the new sim tech in c4d 2023 is really good. but houdini and c4d are packages that should be used in combination with each other. somethings are better to do in houdini and some things are better to do in c4d
yeah dude thanks for sticking up for the c4d guys
@@Quick_VFX you haven't seen the node stuff? you can now do selective extrudes non destructively if you need. both in scene nodes view and in object list
The problem arises when geometry nodes in blender comes into play in my case, both are node base system and i don't know anything about geometry nodes, plus the simulations in houdini looks, perfect. I want to make the output 's I seen. one thng I hate in blender is, if you want to produce a good result in blender, buy a addon or do the tweaks in cloth by going up and down in the simulation menu. So I think it's perfect time to switch and learn. And if i able to learn in 2 years (intermediate level) then I can move over from blender to houdini slowly and permanently.
I'm sick of videos and people saying learning Houdini isn't hard. Jesus Christ of course it is. it has a very different learning curve than other DCC software such as cinema 4D because of its procedural and node based nature which automatically makes it more difficult. it takes much time and effort to master it but once you do it`s enjoyable to work with. it gives you much more control and power over your data, and on the other hand its more hard to learn and work with at first, that`s only fair. so be honest to people and please do not mislead them into Houdini being easy because after they start learning it, they find it difficult and it feels overwhelming.
houdini isnt hard, you just need to grab the concept, then it will go as far as your mind can take it.
I would argue that other software have been dumbing things down.
I used 3ds max for 10 years, switched to Houdini 3 years ago. I'll be honest with you, you have to change your workflow and bad habits. Yes it takes a little more time with setup (at first), but the relief you get when a client gives you changes.....a breeze. I've personally increased the speed and quality of my work x3. Stop wasting time with c4d or 3ds max, learn it and then learn Unreal...its all headed that way.
Oh and Blender, Blender is kicking ass too. :)
I think node based is simply the 'correct' way, hence why Nuke beats AE also
@QuickVFX If you node, you node. ;)
what about Tyflow ?
First of all, Houdini is not easy to learn. You need to have a different mindset to function Houdini's workflow. I believe Indie is not free but Apprentice is. Houdini's learning curve can be very steep and trip alot of artists over but if you are willing to put the time and effort into Houdini, it will pay off in a long run just like learning Python. Most Major Studios are switching the pipeline workflow to Houdini if not already.
It is easy, just no one shows you the path of least resistance
"major studios" do you mean VFX or motion graphic studios?
VFX @@llealloo
I miss Softimage... Still the best workflow. Maxon, Autodesk still don't understand, why it was the best 3D tool ever.
I hate you, Autodesk, for buying and kicking Softimage.
Same. It was THE best 3D Software… until Autodesk decided to buy it and destroy it. 😢
You invalidated the whole video by saying IT'S EASY TO LEARN !? I've been using Houdini for 6 years now, I love it but that's not an easy program, it's not designed to be easy
true lol..but it's not as difficult as people make out if you stick to the basic functions
ignorant people will say it takes too much time to learn houdini or that it is slower in production , people with wisdom will say nothing comes even close to houdini in production
people are lazy and don't want to put the effort, they don't understand how much you gain knowing houdini
Smart people will tell you that you said bullshit
Houdini is a great software but in the end its much better if you can learn both or a bit of both. Houdini might be standard app for vfx in cinema industry, but that standard changes if you go to advertisment, design and motion. Advertisement business has smaller budgets and short timmings meaning that you need a cheaper and more flexible software. Indie versions are no option for smaller studios that earn a bit more than the limit cap and houdini fx is way expensive per user.
C4d also is very flexible if you need to a bit of everything in a hurry. Modelling, a bit of sculpting, rigging , animating and all the motion tools available from the start to help in the creation process focusing in the art direction instead. I dont have this feeling when working with houdini. It's musch more cerebral and less artistic. In the end both are great, learn both and dump blender. just kidding!!
Oftentimes in 3D work I find myself sourcing a few reference shots but not having a clear vision for the final setup, and I really like Houdini's workflow for those scenarios. A while back I needed to make a flagstone walkway and it was simple to just make two birail curves, scatter points and voroni fracture it. Personally I feel more artistically comfortable when I know I can just change the curves if I need to change the overall walkway path, instead of having to remake the entire mesh. But it's definitely a more bottom-up workflow where I'm focused on getting one thing looking right at a time. I agree it's definitely a tradeoff.
i gave this some thought. and the only real reason that doesnt involve personal bias and personal opinion about ease and workflow is COSTS at scale. Once you get two or more machines with c4d or houdini (indie) the costs exponentially go up with one of them and guess which one it is..
Interesting. QuickVFX seems to have to appropriated the old Silicon Graphics logo and colored it gold. Really cool 😎
Yeah I used to dream about owning a SGI Indigo
just now i installed c4d and searching for the basc beginner tutorial of c4d for motion graphics an all, your video saved my time and energy as i landed over ur video at very right tym lol thank you mate, you saved my precious time
Glad it helped!
one of the biggest is you BUY Houdini, you RENT C4D. I used C4D for over a decade when they went to subscription I dropped them and went to Houdini and have never looked back. Yes there was a unlearning curve but once past that node base is the way to go.
Thanks dude). And who has a weak video card cost to switch to Houdini? For example, I have a GTX 1650, 4 GB.
I run it on my 4 year old laptop...Just have to cache sims
@@Quick_VFX Well, how is the flight normal? Does Houdini slow down? How much video memory do you have?
Do i need to learn Python for Houdini??
I do understand C Programming nicely, i had Data Structure in C in one of my semester
But what is the advantage of learning python for Houdini
Also i have 0 experience in Cinema graphics, Vfx
I have only worked on 3 CAD softwares
Absolutely not, in fact you could manage perfectly well without coding. It is useful yes, but it is not mandatory, in fact what you might find much more useful is to learn vex (Houdini's internal language that looks a lot like C++). Learning Python might be useful in terms of pipeline, tool development or very complex effects that might require a strong data handling tool, but for beginners coding should not be a problem.
@@ELLumanronn thanks alot, turns out I have Python in my next semester, so by the time I get good at Houdini I can learn Python
C4d is pretty straight forward pretty suitable if you're not going to dig deep into the Vfx industry but if you want tho Houdini is actually way powerful thanks to its procedural workflow but also needs more time to get used to it
Houdini Indie is not free, it's about 270 USD per year. I think you meant to say Houdini Apprentice which is free but has hard limitations like FBX export.
I mean, that is a pretty reasonable restriction. They let you render at 720p with no watermarks
@@Quick_VFX Yes for sure nothing wrong with that. And the Indie license is quite affordable and powerful.
@QuickVFX There is a watermark on the renders of the Apprentice version.
Can we do modeling in Houdini as in C4D? Also can someone suggest detailed tutorial on installing Houdini on linux and some basic workflow?
yes you can, but i wouldnt do it in houdini, use the best tool for the job, i d rather use maya or blender for modeling.
Yes you can, there is a hidden node called 'Topo Build' it is amazingly good
It's possible, it just won't be as fast. There is a good plugin called Modeler tho. Check it out.
"support fees with proprietary operating systems" What? I have used windows since 3.1 and it has never cost me a dime to fix any problems. If there you are having a problem with windows, there are probably a million other people that have had that problem and the solution is easy to find. If you have a problem on Linux, good luck finding help for that exact distro you are using. Most responses from linux users are derisive and mocking. Linux users tend to be the worst people on the planet. Also, just because Houdini works with one Linux distro does not mean it will work with all of them. This is common for al linux programs, which is why linux is and always will be a fringe operating system. It's too fragmented, simple things are over complicated and the people that can help you will mock you for not being able to figure out the problem on your own.
From my experience years ago, it seems Houdini is more of an FX package than a 3d program. It can do explosions and fire and liquid, but if you want to model a face or something simple like that, it is not up to the task. Go ahead and find a tutorial on modeling a realistic face in Houdini. I dare you!
Disagree with modelling, has a hidden 'Topobuild' tool that is as good as the polypen in cinema4D. Has everything you need but hidden. As for Linux, agreed, tried to switch a few times but it's too limited. Not good for artists. The 70% increase in sim times is real though
I used c4d for years i have tried the jump form C4d to blender soo many times, the issue is C4d user interface and work flow is soo much more easy, Day one i started on C4d i was making stuff i'm week 2 still trying to remember to hit "G" to move objects in blender, blender is great and offers alot, i just think it's to complicated cuz i can do the same stuff in C4d and not have to remember the buttons Same way this HOUDINI , HOUDINI looks amazing i don't have to learn it
Number one reason to use c4d over Houdini, "So we're just going to drop down an attribute wrangle and write a little VEX."
thats like comparing between a truck and a car
i can take my kid to school on the back of a ( Sand truck ) but that does not mean its the tool specified and comfortable for this task.
houdini are meant "originally" for simulation its created for that and it does the best job in that ,
but sculpting and motion design and other alike tasks are not meant to be created with houdini even if you can,
- doing so called "work-around" which its not official / officiant & neither user friendly
and definitely not comfortable to eat food with a screw spanner even if you can at some extend
cinema 4d or blender (alike tools) are meant for a quick 3d hard sculpt / shaping in a user-friendly visual way ,
you touch and shape your model in the viewport like sculpting in real life ,
which in most cases does not require any coding or 9999 nodes wired like a siped web
It's absolutely not the same software. Houdini is used to make either complex simulations, then exported in .alembic to use in other DCC's like C4D, Maya, Blender, whater, or to craft complex procedural setups exported ad .hip files (like procedural building generator).
I dare you to make in depth modeling, full product films including some mograph shots (even with MOPS), or a whole sequence of animated characters entirely in Houdini.
It's then true that Houdini is on the rise for making the greatest 3D complex and organic shots and it's certainly one of the best tools to learn for 3D artists and 3D generalists. Houdini is absolutely an incredible software I would recommence everyone to learn, but comparing it directly to Cinema 4D is like comparing a modular synth to a DAW.
true true
learning c4d and going for houdini right after
WHAT? I have never used a animation program so easy as C4D ... you can keep Houdini. I tried and tried and tries so many times to wrap my head around that program. It should have been designed so much easier then it is. You set up a node path and if you dont get one attribute right, one formula exact or one node missing the entire node doesnt work. The memory needed for the node stack alone is endless. Have you counted how many nodes are in Houdini ...??? Its like they started writting a program and left half of it to the animator to figure out. Oh yeh those pretty icons on the top menu bar make it appear so easy until you drop one into the node window and start using it. By the way I have used Blender, Maya, Softimage, Max, Poser, Iclone, Daz even Lightwave none come close to the complexity of Houdini, hense the name. You have to be a magician to use it.
Yes Cinema 4D is very nice and I will always use it. But after I got past the 1.5 year learning curve for Houdini...the Sith temple gates opened up and I tasted powers far beyond what a Jedi can provide
yes you need to know what you are doing with houdini, you need to understand the fundamental of 3d, then i is a piece of cake. It is actually the easiest program when you know how to use it, in c4d if a tool doesn't exist you are screwed, limited. With houdini there is always a solution.
houdini is not for everyone
- Cinema 4D can be procedural up to a point. Most of my scenes have nondestructible setup so it's not that bad. Also, I am not using scene nodes, which are fully procedural just like houdini (although less developed).
- C4d also has quite nice, and fast Pyro system just for smoke, and fire, and simulation stuff like that. Not to mention updated cloth, and dynamic system in overall. So you can do simulations, and achieve interesting results, just not as complicated like Houdinis.
- I haven't got that much of an experience with Houdini, but it's interface, and viewport UX are rather uncomfortable to me. So not everything is exactly superior.
Having said that, it's up to you. You may use C4D for years, and never develop the need for more robust things like Houdini offers, but if you want to have maximum control, and are up way more simulation oriented, then Houdini may be the answer just for you. I'll try to have a bigger bite at houdini soon so we'll see :)
Depends on what you're doing, but for Mograph you can comfortably stay parametric for a loooong time in C4D. Among DCCs its parametric capabilities are quite good - not as amazing as the procedural stuff that Houdini is capable of, but even compared to Blender's geonodes, C4D is so much better with parametric modeling, animation, rigging, whatever. Blender needs plugins or clunky node setups just to have a torus that you can change the edge count of after you place it.
houdini is too hard to learn for me
So... one point of this is something Maxon HAS worked on. Pyro is new and DOES allow for pretty simple and sophisticated control over things like fire, smoke and explosions. But the rest of the fluid simulation stuff is not there and it requires a redshift subscription or some other 3rd party renderer to even deal with the VDBs since standard or physical render doesn't support it. I've said before that i think Maxon should make Redshift free to C4D users and this honestly would be a redeeming feature.
I've used both programs. Yes Houdini is outstanding... but it's not intuitive and you need to spend a significant amount of time really understanding it. The thing is you spend a lot of time doing the technical side of design. C4D on the other hand is very intuitive. Results are quick and look great. Also most people aren't working on a movie, and Maxon Is working towards a standalone where you don't need plugins, they are basically there. Plus Unreal Engine and C4D work seamless now materials and all. so it's a no brainer in my case.
Houdini needs a standard 3D software like blender Maya or Cinema 4D and if you have both with Houdini and you know how to use both of them well I'm scared of you
Cinema 4D have pipeline into After Effects , I will try Houdini if does have realtime rendering tru AE. thanks for sharing
Cool, thanks
What text to speech do you use for all your videos?
Now do why you should dump both for Blender.
I did, check out the new episode
houdini is better than blender by eon in many fields. i use blender for modeling the rest is in houdini. blender is average at everything, but has a bit of everything
Should I DUMP Houdini for Blender with Geometry nodes for procedural content?
5:02 Houdini indie is not free. apprentice is the free version. and also you do get watermark on the corner as well.
i use blender for modeling , and houdini for simulation
Honestly, seems like you don't know too much about the workflow or the real capability of Cinema 4d. There are a bunch of misconceptions on almost all the points. That being said, Houdini is a wonderful piece of software.
AFTER CINEMA 4D CANCELED MY SUBSCRIPTION FOR NO REASON , I'm switching to houdini .
I’ll give it a try 😅
Houdini is hard to learn there is no enough resources in UA-cam like others 3d program I have no idea about coding it's make me more difficulty in learning and I have to memorize the script use for specific task but yeah my dedication for learning Houdini over come all that problem....over 2 years of experience and learning I would highly recommend VFX artist to include houdini as one of there 3d program
Flat earth conspiracy video vibes
except Node based is...logically..superior...why do people always bang on about how amazing Nuke is compared to AE?
Simulation 70% faster on Linux feels extremely sus. Simulations are just compute, there's no OS interaction during compute, no reason for it to be faster.
I think it was 30%...Windows 11 with its 100 useless background processes could be the cause
For the vast majority of jobs mograph jobs, to use Houdini would be like using a rocket launcher to kill a hamster. And that would come with the added benefit of a smaller freelancer pool, and freelancers who are more VFX oriented so they can't design very well and don't generally have solid motion theory chops, but somehow still think they're worth $1200 day. No thanks.
Houdini needs an atom scientist to deal with him!
A complex program that can be simplified
no
pretty please?
I wish learn Houdini but there is not enough courses and it s hard to learn
there is more than enough, and you can always read the docs
For one Houdini Indie release is about $269 per year, the Houdini Apprentice version is free but limits you to a resolution of 1280 X 720. Otherwise, it has all the features of Houdini FX (their unlimited commercial release). I have used both but prefer Houdini given it's included functionality.
Carter J. Burke is really not an OK guy. He made a decision, and it was wrong; it was a bad call. Also, I didn't think you were a corporate goon!
Depends on the project and depends on the user. I have seen After Effects and C4D comps/Renders look big budget hollywood level by really good artists and seen trash "WTF it this" from poor Nuke/Maya/Houdini users.
Studios will have requirements, cater to that so you get hired, beyond that if its for you???? Then just "git gud" at any one of them.
As a guy whos completely on timeline editior, it feels scary to see loots of nodes branches lmao 💀
Fake news alert. Houdini Indie is NOT FREE. Apprentice is free. And that is WITH WATERMARK.
Houdini indie is not free how ever comparing with c4d it's much cheaper. Houdini apprentice is free. But have water marks on renders and flipbooks.
Yes sorry my mistake. My point is, there is a free version that let's you render upto 720p
Houdini rocks. You just need to be a scientist to use it.
BUT it is limited ! ..I mean it's for certain types of artists, purposes etc.. Im using C4d over 20 years.. Anyway, UI and creative flow of Cinema 4D is the number one for decades... From my point of view, Blender and Houdini has the worst UI and user workflow with limited bunch of features.. Houdini is good on specific purpose, but for me it's not necessary when you have knowledge and can make the same thing with the smile on your face... Be that as it may, in the end what matters is knowledge and the goal, apropos the purpose of everything...
I agree with you saying that Houdini is not great for Everything. It can do almost everything(if not everything) but in a different way that's not always logical for the task at hand. As far as UI I actually love Houdini's UI so much more than Maya, Unreal, Zbrush and such. The only other UI I like as much as Houdini is Speed-Tree. I honestly don't use C4D but I have been dabbling and may start. I dig what people create from it. I was taught Maya instead so that and Houdini covers majority of what I need. I'd love to see ya some ones workflow with Modeling and such that claims to do Everything in Houdini. I've been taught a bit about modeling in Houdini but it seems a bit weird for some aspects and then I end up[ gravitate towards other software. It's great for Procedural, some Hard-Surface(Buildings, Odd objects, corridors, etc and such), but I mostly use it for FX, Rendering, Lighting, and for it's copy to points.
Im just not a fan of node-based workflows. Old habits die hard
Houdini is great, but it ain't for the faint of heart.
there is no 3D software better and more easily usable than Cinema 4D. It is the absolute King for general 3D usage, Max, Maya and Blender do not even come close to it. It is a true joy to use C4D after Blender and Max - the clunkiness of the latter two is 'amazing'.
Yeah, but Houdini is almost as good...beats Cinema 4D in scalability
I keep having to use Cinema 4D for the awesome sculpting tools imo only thing Houdini lacks
@@Quick_VFX - well Houdini must be more pro in VFX. I just start touching VFX so not know much about it. Yet C4D is the general 3D package out there due to its intuitive, flowlike UI and menu system. Also capable in all general aspects of 3D designs.
Hi in term of FX I absolutely agree with you but you know in term of advertisement projects got tight time limit it's hard to get in to Houdini has own weak point it needs 3rd. party plugin also for rendering such as Redshift and Octane and Houdini GPU render engine does not work properly
C4D has gotten way way better. It now has the node system which is groundbreaking. It also introduced pyro which is a fire simulation system. Cinema is a medium size workshop, not many people need a Tesla factory like Houdini.😅😅
thats how i feel about it, cinema 4d is the speedboat, houdini is like the aircraft carrier
Compared to what Houdini can do, Pyro is a toddler's toy... but toys are easy to use and fun.
i recommend starting Houdini in 2003. failing that 2024 is good too.
Starting with Houdini in 2003 would have given you a solid foundation in 3D content creation, as its procedural approach has always been ahead of its time. The 2024 version of Houdini continues to build on that legacy with even more advanced features for VFX and animation. It's important to stay updated with new releases as they often include performance optimizations and new tools that can enhance your workflow.
I would say my edge as a 20 year houdini user is solid hda knowledge, how to nest and combine them to create tools a whole team can use to create a consistent effect across many shots. The other thing is low level polygon procedural tricks that focus on speed so you can do that millions of times and make new tricks. Also vops but the cool kids just write vex code.
DOWNLOADED BUT IM NOT SWITCHING. I AM EXPANDING.
It's also 10 reason to stay on C4D ! it depends what kind of animations or pictures you are creating !! so it's only your opinion not the truth ...
I primarily use Houdini but I have Maxon One for another year so I have been pushing myself to learn C4D since I see people hiring for it at times. Also I'm trying not to purchase Maya3d so I thought I would dive into C4D to fill in some gaps for now.. I have a bit of history in Maya, Unreal and such... but for me, Houdini is the most fun I've run into yet and I love the organization of it but I'm a VFX Artist though and not really a modeler/animator so it maybe a different experience than others.
I agreed with you already before I even started watching, but to not mention the new Scene node system or the fields falloff systems is disingenuous as these have both hugely expanded C4d’s procedural capabilities
im sold
hey as a houdini user just to clarify indie is NOT free
apprentice is free but only for learning and practicing thats all