I think, as I understand it, you got Surprise/Citadel, Elk Creek and Mule Kick/Deer Creek kind of mixed up a little. Surprise/Citadel and Elk Creek are very close to each other and are likely just one big rapid at higher flows... I didn't actually see Surprise in your vid. Mule Kick is the one with an easy right channel. One of the trip reports kind of gets those all confused too, so understandable why it might get mixed up. I could be completely wrong though, but the pictures in the trip report/description on that Cali Creeks site don't match the descriptions very well. I know I've been told that the one labled as Greyhound in that trip report is actually called Hettinger. At the end of the day it doesn't really matter and I don't really mind that there are sorta vague descriptions of this run and that people have to figure it out for themselves. Ran it for the 2nd time a few days before you guys in a group of Cats, Rafts and Kayaks and had a blast. Your guys favorite rapid is my favorite of that stretch of Class IV read and run after the pack bridge for sure. Thanks for the video.
upon quick review I still think our ID'ing is accurate to the california creeks descriptions so gonna leave it-- that said it is weird that "elk creek" (easy right channel) is above "deer creek" even though the order of the creeks is the other way around. Figured that the Surprise rapid in this vid is accurate simply because it felt IV+ and it caught us by surprise-- didn't intend to read and run it
@@clarkshimeall I chatted with a friend that has been running it for a bunch of years and goes with guys who have been running it for decades and I got some clarification and I think you got the labeling correct but it kind of depends. The pictures don't necessarily match up in the California Creeks thing. Mule Kick and Elk Creek are basically the same rapid and then Deer Creek happens right after where the channels come back together. Basically the transition point is eddy at the bottom where the two channels (the class IV right and Class V left ones) come back together. My group told me that Elk Creek was basically the bottom part of the Surprise/Citadel rapid and Surprise was the entrance move that you didn't really show in your video. There is a little slack water between, enough to stop and scout at least. Definitely hard to tell where stuff is sometimes and plenty to read and run if you don't catch it in time.
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I think, as I understand it, you got Surprise/Citadel, Elk Creek and Mule Kick/Deer Creek kind of mixed up a little. Surprise/Citadel and Elk Creek are very close to each other and are likely just one big rapid at higher flows... I didn't actually see Surprise in your vid. Mule Kick is the one with an easy right channel. One of the trip reports kind of gets those all confused too, so understandable why it might get mixed up. I could be completely wrong though, but the pictures in the trip report/description on that Cali Creeks site don't match the descriptions very well. I know I've been told that the one labled as Greyhound in that trip report is actually called Hettinger. At the end of the day it doesn't really matter and I don't really mind that there are sorta vague descriptions of this run and that people have to figure it out for themselves.
Ran it for the 2nd time a few days before you guys in a group of Cats, Rafts and Kayaks and had a blast. Your guys favorite rapid is my favorite of that stretch of Class IV read and run after the pack bridge for sure. Thanks for the video.
upon quick review I still think our ID'ing is accurate to the california creeks descriptions so gonna leave it-- that said it is weird that "elk creek" (easy right channel) is above "deer creek" even though the order of the creeks is the other way around. Figured that the Surprise rapid in this vid is accurate simply because it felt IV+ and it caught us by surprise-- didn't intend to read and run it
What was the water level when you put on ?
@@clarkshimeall I chatted with a friend that has been running it for a bunch of years and goes with guys who have been running it for decades and I got some clarification and I think you got the labeling correct but it kind of depends. The pictures don't necessarily match up in the California Creeks thing. Mule Kick and Elk Creek are basically the same rapid and then Deer Creek happens right after where the channels come back together. Basically the transition point is eddy at the bottom where the two channels (the class IV right and Class V left ones) come back together. My group told me that Elk Creek was basically the bottom part of the Surprise/Citadel rapid and Surprise was the entrance move that you didn't really show in your video. There is a little slack water between, enough to stop and scout at least.
Definitely hard to tell where stuff is sometimes and plenty to read and run if you don't catch it in time.
Hi. Do you remember what actual level this was when you put on?