Sean says he can't understand how someone as intelligent as Richey couldn't help himself, but I think maybe his intelligence made things harder on him because he couldn't put on rose colored glasses like most people do to get by. When you look at the world so realistically, life can seem very dark. I also think he had some self esteem issues (just based on biographies I've read over the years) that intelligence can't fix.
I've heard that said a hell of a lot. More intelligent people are more likely to be depressed. Don't know if it has truth to it but I've heard many people say that.
@@stephaniemcquillan6167 Right. And I also think in general people on the lower spectrum of the IQ curve are more prone to actually suicide themselves because they have it tougher to put together a tolerable enough life for themselves. I also think it has something to do with impulsiveness. It's often a decision out of panic.
an excellent observation, VivaCohen. I whole-heartedly agree. My friend was found hanged in a park after walking his dog. He used the dog's leash, but the dog stayed until the ambos arrived. That is the kind of thing that Richey felt so strongly about, but I won't go into it here. The miracle and sadness of life, all mixed up. All the best.
They have preserved Richey's legacy magnificently. They've done so because they loved him as a friend, and clearly love his family too. Anyone who suggests they "Sold out" is living in a silly fantasy world.
Richey seemed like such a gentle sensitive soul who wanted to love and be loved. Perhaps he's found that somehow, somewhere. I hope he has. Since I live near where the Manics grew up I've always had a personal fascination with the band and particularly Richey. He obviously had a strong intellect and strong feelings. It's a shame he couldn't fulfill his needs in his old life. Maybe he has all those things now and if so, let him remain at peace.
Thank you for this. No matter what ultimately happened to RJE, his memory lives on, and I love the effect he has had on one of the finest British bands of all time. I have a soft spot for all the Manics. Keep it going, lads. Love, supreme.
I feel so sad for them all... especially Richey.. he was a tortured soul. Not even his art could save him.. And music saves many people. A tremendous loss to his family friends fans and the music world. I hope he's found his peace in the hereafter
Just a horrible horrible situation. Not because I've been a fully paid up insatiable Manics punter since the arse end of 1991, but because these are all humans dealing with the most unimaginable thing as friends. Your friend first and foremost is dead. He's absolutely dead and gone. Yet year after year you're expected to be his mouthpiece.
That`s the very thing that bewilders me. James, Sean and Nick, as lifelong friends, have to remember him to the fans and the public, walking that fine line of respecting his decisions. How do you do that?
I first heard motor cycle emptiness,walking down a strawberry pick your own farm, feeling down what a great song to reflect the times when society was fairly bog standard,amazing words powerful and lots of angst real emotions.
I always looked at Richey in the same way as Cliff Burton in Metallica. He was the fighting spirit and soul of the band. That’s not to say both bands didn’t release great material after their departures. But their essence wasn’t quite the same anymore.
I think Richey planned the perfect disappearance, but messed it up because of everything he was going through & ultimately decided to take his own life by jumping off the Severn bridge. It's a shame there's no closure for his friends & family because his body was never found.
I have a question he was the lead singer right he was the guitarist so he is not the one singing stay beautiful but he did help right it along with their other songs
I don't know if you can blame fame 'per se', but there are certain types of people who can't grasp what fame actually entails until it actually happens to them- and when it happens, will react very badly. I don't know if Richey had a problem with fame, or if it was something more that forced his hand. I guess we'll never really know.
3:00 Camus didn't say that. He's paraphrasing something from Dostoevsky in the brothers Karamazov (the grand inquisitor section), 'if there is no god then everything is permitted.' Sounds like something Camus might say though.
Camus did say something similar in his book The Myth of Sisyphus, ironically it's when discussing Dostoevsky's book "Demons" which reinforces your point about Camus and Dostoevsky toughing on similar themes. The quote from Camus is "“The reasoning is classic in its clarity. If God does not exist, Kirilov is god. If God does not exist, Kirilov must kill himself. Kirilov must therefore kill himself to become god. That logic is absurd, but it is what is needed."
It's, not... Richey was seriously sick when that happened, everything that was going up with him (which would make this comment a bible) got to a point he couldn't handle it anymore. Richey's car was found next to the Seven Bridge, which was and still is, common for su*c*des, maybe... he expected his body to be found, but the water stream was very strong... and well, he became a giant mystery. Or he ran away, for as much as he could and then realized his problem weren't back there at home.. He literally escaped his entire support system (his sister, his friends, the girl he loved) I don't think he was planning to go far. It's just so sad.
Yeah he is/was the band.. did they use him for his talents and not get him the help when he needed it? Same goes for Joy Division. Why go on tour when you're band mate and friend is clearly not in a healthy place...
No, they did gigs to pay for his rehab, actually. No-one asks that question about, say, Jim Morrison and the other members of the Doors, because he was the frontman and assumed to be in control (despite being out of it, even in TV interviews - Clive James wrote about it at the time). Richey would have seemed even more in control when he wanted to.
@@jamesthecat Yeah. And the rehab centres were a joke!! They made Richey WORSE. One of them kept him drugged up and the other one just forced God down his throat. And tbf Richey wasn't afraid to go out of his way to shock people. So after a while the band just grew used to his publicity stunts and morbid outlook on life. There is a conspiracy theory that the band and his family actually know where he is but they have been sworn to secrecy. . .
No Surface All Feeling It seems to be from a soundcheck which explains the keyboards taking centre focus and an acoustic guitar playing rather than an electric one. The song is also the last one Richey played guitar on (which is why the sound quality is different at the end bit of the album version as it's supposedly from the last studio session before Richey disappeared).
You can still tell that the loss of Richey still hurts.
i’ve noticed that although they’re hurt, they still look at it with positivity and they’re happy he was there
Sean says he can't understand how someone as intelligent as Richey couldn't help himself, but I think maybe his intelligence made things harder on him because he couldn't put on rose colored glasses like most people do to get by. When you look at the world so realistically, life can seem very dark. I also think he had some self esteem issues (just based on biographies I've read over the years) that intelligence can't fix.
I've heard that said a hell of a lot. More intelligent people are more likely to be depressed. Don't know if it has truth to it but I've heard many people say that.
Mental illness has nothing to do with intelligence or a lack of intelligence
@@stephaniemcquillan6167 Right. And I also think in general people on the lower spectrum of the IQ curve are more prone to actually suicide themselves because they have it tougher to put together a tolerable enough life for themselves. I also think it has something to do with impulsiveness. It's often a decision out of panic.
an excellent observation, VivaCohen. I whole-heartedly agree. My friend was found hanged in a park after walking his dog. He used the dog's leash, but the dog stayed until the ambos arrived. That is the kind of thing that Richey felt so strongly about, but I won't go into it here. The miracle and sadness of life, all mixed up. All the best.
Richey knew too much about his head and the world he was thrown into to use it. I wish him eternal peace.
They have preserved Richey's legacy magnificently. They've done so because they loved him as a friend, and clearly love his family too. Anyone who suggests they "Sold out" is living in a silly fantasy world.
Richey seemed like such a gentle sensitive soul who wanted to love and be loved. Perhaps he's found that somehow, somewhere. I hope he has. Since I live near where the Manics grew up I've always had a personal fascination with the band and particularly Richey. He obviously had a strong intellect and strong feelings. It's a shame he couldn't fulfill his needs in his old life. Maybe he has all those things now and if so, let him remain at peace.
Thank you for this. No matter what ultimately happened to RJE, his memory lives on, and I love the effect he has had on one of the finest British bands of all time. I have a soft spot for all the Manics. Keep it going, lads. Love, supreme.
Bomb the past brilliant
peace to the greatest lyric writer ever in history of rock roll
Amen to that statement.
He's right up there for sure.
I like hearing Sean talk, he’s very insightful.
sean and richey were in the same year at school so thats why he talks a bit more here i think.
I feel so sad for them all... especially Richey.. he was a tortured soul. Not even his art could save him.. And music saves many people.
A tremendous loss to his family friends fans and the music world.
I hope he's found his peace in the hereafter
It's sad he seemed to be a happy young man at first, they were all very close.
Just a horrible horrible situation. Not because I've been a fully paid up insatiable Manics punter since the arse end of 1991, but because these are all humans dealing with the most unimaginable thing as friends. Your friend first and foremost is dead. He's absolutely dead and gone. Yet year after year you're expected to be his mouthpiece.
That`s the very thing that bewilders me. James, Sean and Nick, as lifelong friends, have to remember him to the fans and the public, walking that fine line of respecting his decisions. How do you do that?
And they still crank out great to amazing songs on a regular basis. That's the craziest thing to me.
This video is the drug I didn't know I needed.
I first heard motor cycle emptiness,walking down a strawberry pick your own farm, feeling down what a great song to reflect the times when society was fairly bog standard,amazing words powerful and lots of angst real emotions.
That's my favourite song ❤️👍
That song also changed something in me profoundly
I always looked at Richey in the same way as Cliff Burton in Metallica. He was the fighting spirit and soul of the band. That’s not to say both bands didn’t release great material after their departures. But their essence wasn’t quite the same anymore.
Love the interviews, thank you for sharing
What a great video 😍
The Holy Bible is my favorite album ever made, he didn't give a fuck anymore.
he wrote 75% of the album according to nicky.. i agree its also my favourite album
I think Richey planned the perfect disappearance, but messed it up because of everything he was going through & ultimately decided to take his own life by jumping off the Severn bridge. It's a shame there's no closure for his friends & family because his body was never found.
Wow 💙
Great
Often it's the most difficult place to get away from, your own goddamned head...
Is the full programme with the Holy Bible era Richey interview available to watch anywhere?
I have a question he was the lead singer right he was the guitarist so he is not the one singing stay beautiful but he did help right it along with their other songs
💜🙏🏼🎸
Seen them just the once 1996 festival.
Fame can destroy a soul it seems…
I don't know if you can blame fame 'per se', but there are certain types of people who can't grasp what fame actually entails until it actually happens to them- and when it happens, will react very badly. I don't know if Richey had a problem with fame, or if it was something more that forced his hand. I guess we'll never really know.
3:00 Camus didn't say that. He's paraphrasing something from Dostoevsky in the brothers Karamazov (the grand inquisitor section), 'if there is no god then everything is permitted.'
Sounds like something Camus might say though.
the brothers karazamov was probably his favorite book. the first chapter describes jumping off of a bridge to be a beautiful death.
Camus did say something similar in his book The Myth of Sisyphus, ironically it's when discussing Dostoevsky's book "Demons" which reinforces your point about Camus and Dostoevsky toughing on similar themes. The quote from Camus is "“The reasoning is classic in its clarity. If God does not exist, Kirilov is god. If God does not exist, Kirilov must kill himself. Kirilov must therefore kill himself to become god. That logic is absurd, but it is what is needed."
@@xgum 👏
God allows everything to happen for that's how God learns who it is
Self-injury is not a form of art. It is frightening
I am an architect,
They call me a butcher
depends who you are, depends who you are
It`s a form of control.
That's the only part of the interview I disagreed with.
They picture with his arm slashed with deep gashes broke my heart.
what doco is this from?
No manifesto
@@garbarek1078 thanks!
Richey is living in Ibiza
That’s what happens when you don’t conform in that industry
It's worrying when one of the band members compared his self harm as a work of art.
He ate a cockroach? Ugh
He disappeared of the face of the earth... that's extremely unusual I'm guessing...no clue no nothing
@@drbalbon7332 well he did a good job of hiding his body... unless it's floated down river and out to sea
It's, not... Richey was seriously sick when that happened, everything that was going up with him (which would make this comment a bible) got to a point he couldn't handle it anymore.
Richey's car was found next to the Seven Bridge, which was and still is, common for su*c*des, maybe... he expected his body to be found, but the water stream was very strong... and well, he became a giant mystery. Or he ran away, for as much as he could and then realized his problem weren't back there at home..
He literally escaped his entire support system (his sister, his friends, the girl he loved)
I don't think he was planning to go far.
It's just so sad.
I also Don’t like the Beatles! 😅
Yeah he is/was the band.. did they use him for his talents and not get him the help when he needed it? Same goes for Joy Division. Why go on tour when you're band mate and friend is clearly not in a healthy place...
No, they did gigs to pay for his rehab, actually. No-one asks that question about, say, Jim Morrison and the other members of the Doors, because he was the frontman and assumed to be in control (despite being out of it, even in TV interviews - Clive James wrote about it at the time). Richey would have seemed even more in control when he wanted to.
@@jamesthecat yeah actually I was just starting to get into the band when I wrote that, I've read/watched more since. Tragic tale anyhow
@@hwgavin so next time you'll keep your opinion to yourself until you know what you're talking about?
@@hjertrudfiddlecock4394 Opaaaa...
@@jamesthecat Yeah. And the rehab centres were a joke!! They made Richey WORSE.
One of them kept him drugged up and the other one just forced God down his throat.
And tbf Richey wasn't afraid to go out of his way to shock people. So after a while the band just grew used to his publicity stunts and morbid outlook on life. There is a conspiracy theory that the band and his family actually know where he is but they have been sworn to secrecy. . .
he faked his own death
Always hoped he did, meaning. I hope he's not dead, and always hoped he found some kind of Normalcy and happiness 😊
Doubt it, very sad tho.
The Beatles are on the next room, bro
Reasons ?
someone else faked his death
I USED TO LIKE THE LYRICS, BUT NOT ANYMORE, IT'S MOSTLY JUST MORBID
I don't like the Beatles either!! Overrated as Hell!!
King's X should be the biggest band in the world!!!
I laughed when Edwards went missing.
how old are you
What’s that song playing In the background at the end
No Surface All Feeling
It seems to be from a soundcheck which explains the keyboards taking centre focus and an acoustic guitar playing rather than an electric one.
The song is also the last one Richey played guitar on (which is why the sound quality is different at the end bit of the album version as it's supposedly from the last studio session before Richey disappeared).
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