That would be same as hunger games She has aldready copied the rebel plot from hunger games Copied the Harry Potter houses and presented them as factions Copied capture the flag game from Percy Jackson Copied the maze runner:scorch trials idea and used it in Allegiant Wouldn't want her to copy the hunger games epilogue as well right?
@@saeepimpalnerkar8055she didn’t copy any of that, literally let her live. Ur js a divergent hater bc Tris dies in the end. She made up her own unoriginal plot.
I completely understand what she is saying. It took me a long time to gather my thoughts on Allegiant. I cried for days, I was depressed, it was awful. Reading about your favorite character dying is not fun. At the same time though, I think this was the ending her character kind of... deserved? It's not the fact that she died, or the fact that she never got a long happy life. Tris was ALWAYS down on herself, and she never felt like she was selfless enough, or that she was this or that. She looked up to Caleb in Divergent before she chose Dauntless, she thought THAT was the true meaning of selflessness; the things she watched Caleb do for other people. She learned at the end of Allegiant what true selflessness really is, and although it broke my heart, it was beautiful at the same time.
I don’t care if this was three years ago but I just finished alligent and the other books as well and I’m just depressed. I’m so sad and I can’t even believe what has happened. Good books but I’m going to be sad for so long and I don’t even know why...... Help..
I was devastated when Tris died. I mean how many bullet wounds did she survive, how many wars and serums did she fight against (even the death serum!) I think to kill Tris from a bullet wound from a random character was wrong. She could have sacrificed herself instead of Caleb but still made it out alive. A terrible ending for such a fantastic trilogy I think. Also Four didn't deserve to lose Tris either.
he absolutely didnt and im so fucking sad about his whole reaction to losing his fucking soulmate (side note: it was also hella random she decided to kill off Uriah i was also really sad about that because every other time he was mentioned before i was like my babyy uriiii)
I feel like there should have been some secret life serum and there is like only one in the world and Tobias could have stolen it and brought back Tris and then we could have all had the ending that we wanted.
@@noahrotenstreich315 But that is a bit to unrealistic to bring someone back from the dead. I think it was a sad but still good ending to the story. I think she had to die to give the story that perfect plot twist ending.
What she means by doing Tris justice is not to make life fair for her. As an author you have to prove the protagonist's character growth by having him/her finish in the most relevant way. The major change in Tris series-wise is that she, as Roth mentioned, learns the difference between being an adrenaline junkie who craves self-sacrifice versus being genuinely brave and selfless. When Tris sacrificed herself for Caleb it was a last-resort scenario in which she proved her story of development. If Tris had lived happily ever after we would not have seen this--she never would have shown that she would sacrifice herself for the right reasons because the opportunity would not come. Something essential that is often overlooked by readers of Allegiant is the part at the end when Tobias goes on the zip-line and spreads her ashes across Chicago. This perfectly wraps up Tris's story--it is a symbol of her divergence. When her ashes are scattered over the city it demonstrates that she can't be categorized into a box, she can't be kept inside an urn or a jar. Had she not died Roth never would have had the opportunity so include such a significant, symbolic wrap-up for one of the most heroic protagonists of all time. Also important to note is that the series is really all about Tobias--Roth even said she originally created the story in his perspective but decided to instead tell his story through Tris. There is a certain level of character development in Tobias that would have been left untouched without her dying. Tobias almost decided to take the easy way out and take the serum to forget her. When he didn't that showed an enormous strength in who he had become. He had to learn that pain is not something you should ignore in life. Not with Tris's death, not with Evelyn's abandoning and betraying him, and not with Marcus's abusing him. I was so impressed with his choice to be brave and confront his adversity that it brought me to tears when I read it, many more tears than I cried for the scene where Tris died. It was so much more powerful than a sunshiney ending. It testified strength of will, that life goes on, that we all need to be brave and tackle our fears and our pain. Sorry to rant, but it really bothers me when readers misunderstand an author's genius and then act like the author doesn't know anything or just wants to make people angry. It wouldn't have made much sense to give Tris OR Tobias the cliche fairy tale ending. Kudos to Roth for being one of the few YA authors to be honest about plot necessities.
SPOILER (YOU WHERE WARNED...) . . . . I cant believed Veronica Roth ended the book with Tris dying. She didnt deserve to die if anyone should have died it should have been Caleb!!!! He betrayed Tris and their family. Tris deserved to have a victory.
Camila Alonzo You dont really understand,if Tris let Caleb do that,he would end up dead without finishing that mission.Tris has to die,it is the more realistic way.Her life was all about sacrifice,you can imagine Tris and Tobias living togheter a long time,but that is not how the film should end.
I was so upset when i read the book. And I read whay tobias felt, it made my cry even more. Im not not gonna say anything nasty cause it's the author's choice what happens. I think the main reason Tris shouldn't have died is the fact that she's only 16. Realistcally you would have a 16 year old knowimg about sacrifices and scarificing themselves. I also think that the least she could've done is let her see tobias. I actially wished it was a happy ending and everything. I dont expect veronica to make another story but i can hope that the producers wont kill tris in the movie. It would be greatbif someone wrote an alternate ending online that could cheer us up.
[Spoiler] Yes, I totally agree. She deserved a happy ending. And even if she died, I would approciate it would happened a more heroic death, not just surviving the death serum and short after that getting killed by David. On only half a page.
She EARNED to die like wtf? You can give a fictional character so many other powerful endings, kill is just cruel. And like do you expect us to feel BAD for you?! you had the CHOICE to let her live and you killed her?! It was hard for me too. Like wtf are you saying?! and it's a little hard to grow when you're dead, don't you think Veronica?
What she's saying is tris fought with her life to get to where she was and in the very and what she fought for cost her her own life though she didn't want to die there was no other way around it I meen just think a bit if your being aimed at with a gun at point blank range and your pre occupied doing something *spoiler* do you think that in any way you would be able to dodge or avoid 1 or even two bullets I wouldn't think so but the point is it's sad but in the end the point behind it is that we all get hurt lose loved ones and feel pain but over time that pain gets healed and eventually fades into memory
That ending was just awful. The worst part is that it didn't make sense at all. It wasn't needed and I feel like Veronica just wanted to do something special and she took a big risk. It is good to take risks but this one was to big.The books are so well written and she just blew it with that ending, she killed many girls hero. I had never felt so related to a fictional character as I felt related to Tris. And when she died I literally cried the entire afternoon. The thing that hurted me so much is that it didn't make sense at all and then Tobias... I was so hurt to see how hurt he was. Tobias couldn't handle it. Wich makes sense and ugh I hate the ending SO SO much! Nothing makes sense, everybody's hurt and ugh I feel like I'm gonna cry again...
The way it ended was powerful. the thing that gets to me though is that she =will completely stop writing about divergent. And write another book that will probably mooch off divergent's success
Avalchem AJ How was it powerful? It literally made no sense. And it's not like I can't handle bad endings, because I can. I loved the endings for TFIOS, Me before you, The Best Of Me,... This one was just ridiculous
Lovatic123 actually no. if anything the ending was the only good point in that long ass book. It was really well executed and made sure we as the readers knew without question that this was always Tris's story, even in death. It was always just about her. The story was always centred around her, her thoughts, how her existence alone was causing disarray in her home, how that affected her, and how she had an influence on the characters around her, and what they'll do to either protect her or kill her. It's about her learning about selflessness, and ideologies about bravery, and it's about her learning to know when the line between bravery and stupidity just doesn't matter anymore. with that course it was only realistic that she'd die in the end, there was no risk involved.
Although the ending literally brought me to tears and personally if I wasn't Veronica I wouldn't have killed Tris off, I understand why Veronica did it, like she says Tris was brave enough and selfless enough to sacrifice herself, I think that was the way to go to stay true to Tris's character
I hate it when people criticize Veronica Roth about the ending of Allegaint, I mean I get where they are coming from; I read the books and literally cried myself to sleep but, sometime after I woke up the next day, I realized...the ending might not have been what I wanted-trust me, I wanted a baby Fourtris or at least some version of a happy ending-but, It was the right ending; the kind that doesn't seem too unrealistic or too brutal. So, if no one else will say this then I will. Thank you, Veronica Roth for writing such wonderful books.😏😌💘📚📖
I have a great idea now that tris is "dead" she can make a 5th book on how that wasn't tris who died and instead it was a clone or something like that. And she's trapped somewhere unknown and in danger and in need of help and four finds out that she's still alive by either finding a message tris left for him to see and warn or they found something odd in her ashes that didn't match her DNA exactly.
Everyone that's hating on the fact that Tris died . . . I think you should respect the author's opinion more. She knows her characters far, far, FAR better than any of us.
I didn't like the ending For a few reasons 1, tris didn't deserve today she was only sixteen she had a whole life ahead of her. 2, tris went through so much pain and suffering only to die at the end anyway it isn't fair 3, Tobias/four was heart broken they didn't even get to say goodbye properly 4, it broke my heart she was my favourite character 5, so many people were dieing in your story I mean Uriah was his death really necessary and Lynn etc in the end I felt like so many people had died all of which some amazing characters I also hoped that there was something greater outside the fence instead of what there was I love you first two book divergent and insurgent but Allegiant was a disappointment I still liked it but not as much I wish you would write another version of Allegiant :(
I agree. I also think that Tris' death is a terrible, unnecessary and kinda disgusting way to say that Evelyn was right when she said that Tris wasn't supposed to last in Tobias' life... Well she DESERVED to be in Tobias' life, but not as a fading memory, not as a ghost. They deserved the life they were dreaming of, holy crap. I'm sorry, but I hate you Veronica.
ConfessionsOfaBook-A-Holic B the ending was a good ending tris did what she wanted to do to give rights to everyone. She went into the room with the death serum knowing she might not come out. She just did it she made a choice
+VeVe Girl Yeah but aus had a gun and just left it ..like if she would have taken it she would have been alive. Why does Veronica do this. So many people died in the series and Tris just didn't deserve it. Tobias didn't deserve it. They both deserves that they'll have a happy long life and die when they are like 80 with 3 children but not like this.
When tris died I actually cried I mean I stayed up till 5 in the morning because I wanted to see how it ended and when I read that she died broke down I loved this series and the way I grew with tris .she was amazing and to for her to just die leaving everything was just aggravating and the way she died I believe was unnessary and stupid because she literally just saved her home and just survived a airborn serum that could kill you just for her to be shot by the man behind the experiment and how she just died she just died sorry for those who think the opposite but this is what I think and comment or like if you agree or dislike of you don't agree
all anyone wants is for Tris and four to end up happily together.. The love story is what counts!! :( I really want four and Tris to end up happy I hope they change the ending.
Like veronica said, she remained true to the character. I wouldn't have pictured Tris doing anything differently. I LOVED the ending, thought it gave the book something extra. Cried so much btw
Everyone is allowed to have their own feelings about the book. I personally loved the first two books. I especially loved insurgent. I found four to be kind of bossy and controlling and I found Tris to be a bit naïve and self sacrificing to an extreme extent. I understood both of their frustrations with each other. I can see why four would be irritated with Tris, but at times I found him sort of one sided. Like when he was mad because she did not share things with him like Wills death. Yet he kept secrets and made his own choices as well. He would say things to Tris in such a flat out way, but I liked that feisty way about him. Like the way he threatened to dump her and the way he just straight up said If I forgive my mom then you better as well. It was like damn he is kind of brutal, but not to a crazy extent. It was attractive to me yet frustrating. Weird, right? They had realistic personalities, they were not perfect. At times I was frustrated with him and her, but that’s what I liked. However, I hated the third book with a passion. Changing the flow by making it from dual perspectives turned me off. I’m a fan of dual perspectives, but not when it was not the original formula because it changes the vibe and style of the books. I fall in love with books and they become part of me, so when the vibe completely changed it was almost not the same book anymore and I hated that. I also hated the ending. We fall in love with these characters and I felt cheated by the ending. It was like it was written just to be different and add shock value. I prefer a happy ending to a series like this one. I’m going to give an example from another book. The way twilight ended left me with a good taste in my mouth and a positive experience. I left the theater and the reading of the book feeling GOOD. I cried happy tears, that ending was off the chain. You walked away feeling so great about it all and the years you invested. That’s what people love, for this particular book you didn’t need a tragic ending. I wanted a pick me up not a bring you down. However, I still love the first two books and if the third had stayed truer this would have been one of my fav series period. I get that Tris had always been self sacrificing, but I wish she could have grown as a person. That part of her was a little overboard and simple minded just like four felt it was. I feel she did not learn and grow up a bit. To me that was not an example of being true to Tris it was a BIG MISTAKE. A bad ending to such a great thing. That’s why it pains me so much because the books were creative and different. I will always love divergent and insurgent, but the author lost me with that last book. Killing Tris made probably 50% to 60% of people hate the ending and fall out of love. Yet keeping her alive would have made 90% to 100% of fans happy with the ending. So why kill her? The book is about the author, but the fans make it point blank. This just turned so many of us off and that was sad because this could have been one of the best trilogies ever.
Thank you Veronica Roth for your permission to HATE the ending, because I do. As the author it is your right to do what you want with your characters this is true. But I will always think it was a poor choice. I invested hours of reading time, months of waiting for the new books, and money to buy the books. Then to have it end so poorly. This is the way I feel and Chloe Z. for you to call others "selfish" and "closed minded" because I have those feelings is not appropriate.
I personally disliked the ending very much. It was not okay to kill Tris, did you even think about Tobias? The Divergent trilogy was great, but the ending was terrible. You could have done much better Veronica Roth, much better. I hoped Tris and Tobias would have a family, but now that can't happen, however I will Be Brave.
Okay so, I spent time borrowing books from my friends and reading them instead of doing something important like homework. When I found out about the ending, I cried. Literally. Like I expected the ending to be quite nice and I even told myself, "nah tris wouldn't die, she's the main character" But when I knew that she died, I really started to hate it. Like I couldn't handle Tobias being all sad and devastated. I swear. Ugh.
ok i get that it was just in tris' character to sacrifice herself for caleb i completely get that but she didnt even die because of that she died because of asshole david shooting her like ??? that was completely unnecessary
green dino Actually I thought that was brilliant. Roth made sure Tris would live long enough to conquer the death serum, like all the other serums she'd conquered. The fact that she died not through a serum (which symbolized being under someone or something else's jurisdiction) she died through her own choice of self-sacrifice. When I read that I was taken away by the brilliance of it all. It showed the real meaning of the series, that we can control ourselves, overcome those who want to take advantage of us and use us, and we can choose to be brave when it's necessary.
Bethany Marie ok but it was still unnecessary for her to die end of story. like yeah im glad her death wasnt from a serum and all that but she didnt need to die in the first place. all the shit shes been through she dies from a single bullet? idk i think its dumb
green dino I mean you can certainly have your opinion that she shouldn't have died, but it's not end of story. Many people, including Roth and myself, believe for certain reasons that the death was necessary. For instance, her death was necessary for Tobias to fulfill his character development. Rather than choose to take the easy way out and forget her with the serum he decided to face the pain and learn to live with it. Sure, this could have been demonstrated in different ways, but nothing would come close to as powerful an example as with Tris's death. That's just my belief.
I love the movie, i love the book too, but its hard to get over with the ending. I cant imagine Four without Tris. When i read the part where Tris died, i keep asking, why? Why? Why? The ending made my heart broken.😭
Tris died to show the theme of the whole series, and to show that tris was finaly maturing into an adult. I think it was meant to be, and it was beatiful
I am so tired of people hating Veronica Roth for the ending. Look I am so upset that she killed Tris. But to be honest when u think about Tris you know she would have risked her life for Caleb. If Tris ended up alive it wouldn't make the book as good. She survived through the deaf syrum she had to die some how. But as I do under stand a powerful ending was needed could have done something powerful without killing her. But hey Veronica Roth brought us FourTris so instead of hating her we should be taking her. Also those Sheo shippers hating on Veronica maybe Sheo would have met because they were made for each other in this case they met because of Veronica in the first place. So as I said instead of hating her thank her. I mnow Veronica didn't cast them but she did write the book. Without the book there is no movie. Just rethink before hating her. She brought us the divergent series.
actually, if you really read through the book, you will kinda expect this to happen. i still respect her decision to let tris go, because maybe she had a reason to do it and it's not easy to do it. It's still the best trilogy i ever read.
The load of crap that comes out of Veronicas mouth is simply astounding. So, something bad has to happen to a character in order for them to grow? Well, how can they grow if they are dead? Again. Straight out crap.
Ashley Campailla She had to die so Tobias could grow, and so her character development could be fulfilled. Fulfilling a character's development is so important.
You guys are all so selfish. Veronica did the impossible, she killed her main character. She did such a brave brave thing, and you guys are hating her on her wisdom. Your minds are so closed in, you never see that Veronica isn't ruthless, she killed Tris because of a deep reason, and it is because of Tris's journey through discovering and learning about self-sacrifice. If she hadn't died, the ending would've felt fake but instead Veronica put heavy emotion to the ending and made it just that beautiful.
Very honest and mature response Veronica. I am a writer as well and being true to your characters is very important. As one of many who loved the series and the ending thank you for being true to the story.
I feel that she should have let Caleb grow at the ending with his last strengths. I did not understand Caleb's purpose in most of this story and near the ending I felt he wanted to prove himself so he should have been given a chance. He was not given this chance and even after her death he has not shown anything to make him stand out more. Tris's death did not show much growth and was extremely disappointing.
But now Tobias either has to live his life as a loner, or love someone else?? And a better ending?? What about her having a great life!! It is an amazing book, but I don't think Veronica should have killed Tris off.
'you have to let bad things happen to a character so they could grow' right. a gunshot in the head and dying on the spot totally helped her grow as a person. real character development. i wasnt sure how i felt about the ending, but watching the interviews im sick of veronica behaving like she did her a favour by killing her off
The only thing that I wish they would change about the ending, when writing the script for the movie, is allowing Tobias to be by her side when she dies. Changing the time line of him leaving Chicago maybe. That is what made me feel the worst; the fact that he had to her about her death from someone else and never got to say goodbye.
It's not that I hated the ending or how it was written. The writing was beautiful and if Tris had to die, it would be the perfect way to write it. But I just didn't want such a strong character to die because of how emotionally attached I am to her and her life.
OK now I think that having Caleb sacrifice himself would have been much more powerful and showed that his isn't completely selfish but having Tris do it was fine. You know whats not fine? HAVING TOBIAS AND CHRISTINA FALL IN LOVE IN THE EXTRA.
Me too,but the dead of Tris makes me cry a lot,and,now she can transformed it,so... DEP Tris. Don't see me in Ascendent when Tris dead because I wanna cried a lot,OMG😭😭
I won't kill off the main charactor ~Not Veronica Roth. I cried for 3 straight hours from 1 am to 4 am then i noticed it was Four and started crying again. I know the book was hard for her to write and that I was expecting it.. after all once a stiff always a stiff but I mean... why not write that and then just say the while thing was a hillucination from the death serum and stuff so she doesn't make everyone so angry about it. I loved Insurgent the most. And remember. Goodnight, sleep tight Don't let Peter stab you in the eye With a butter knife
What beautiful books, I was very sad and am still very sad about Tris dying... Like, I literally had to take work off the next day because I couldn't hold myself together... Yes, I know... Ha. But really, it was beautiful, I would have liked a different ending, but this is the ending we got... I still LOVE the books and I can't wait to see what else comes... I loved 'Four' and I feel like that helped me to cope a little bit with Tris' death! Maybe Veronica should write a self help book about dealing with the death of Tris. Haha.. But seriously.
I think Veronica made a very brave decision about what she’s done and it was definitely interested character and it shows how she believes that selflessness and bravery are truly not that different but on the other hand it took me quite a lot of time to digest the fact that she had indeed died and I think my feelings are so much more with Tobias how he copes with the ending but overall I think it’s brilliant you know not everybody’s gonna have the hunger games of the Twilight ending
I have the same name as the author:3 I am in 5th grade and I read this series over and over again and I respect the ending she sacrificed her character but Tris saved the factions! She did the impossible and look she is in a place that is better for her
I actually understand the ending of Allegiant, and I'm entitled to my opinion just as you are entitled to yours. Don't come hating on me just because I think something different than most people. Tris had been talking about sacrifice in the first few books without actually really *knowing* what the full meaning of it was. Now I understand that Caleb is a cowardly jerk, but Tris' sacrifice stay true to her character. Sometimes I think it is unfair that she died and stuff, but it's just my opinion.
I know that people tend to hate the book because Tris died and so many extensive reasons. But I feel like her death was realistic, in a sense of it being an attribute to book. It displays the concept that, 'Hey, even the best people don't receive their happy endings'. And I feel like that's what made the book unconventional, in a way. It wasn't some magnificent, sugarcoated ending that was purely made to please everyone. If anything, as people who don't live in a fictional world, I'd expect us to understand that not endings are happy nor necessarily satisfying, even to those deserving of it.
i've always thought one of the main characters might die,but i thought it would be Four.I didn't necessarily hate Tris dying,but i hated the way it happened...so she SURVIVED the death serum and then got shot by a man in a wheelchair,really?That's so not dauntless,had it been any other moment in the other books she would have done the job and fought her way out of there at the same time,so that kind of spoiled it a bit for me.But i loved the 2 short chapters where Four describes seeing her before oficially meeting her,that was beautiful.
if the book wasn't out yet then she and the screenwriters of the movies must had conversations about where the story was heading because a bunch of things that happened in the movie are on the Allegiant book
I don't like the end of allegiant AT ALL. But it makes so much sense. I mean. Just think about it. Tris would never had let her brother die. She's Abnegation enough to save her brother. And Dauntless enough to sacrifice herself to achieve her goal. I mean she kinda forgot about being Erudite on that one. But. That's her. That's Tris. And she died for the most beautiful cause. I mean, whether you like it or not... That's one of an achivement of a character
I read the book and Tris dying made me hate it. I hated the ending so much it just ruined the whole story for me. I hoped the movie would change the ending, and I will not be going to see it now that I know she will still die. I also will never again read anything else she has or will ever write.
Guys why are you hating on veronica? Killing tris was a good thing Tris accomplished everything she wanted she knew caleb would not survive the death serum but she did only to get shot by david Why i like the ending is because im sick and tired of every story having the two main characters have kinds and live happily ever after. Although i was very sad about her death i liked the ending. Because not every story every person on earth gets a happy ending and thats what books should teach
(Its pretty late to be part of this fandom but who care) Tris deserved a better future but she couldn't have lived with the regret of her brother going. Through the books tris is becoming more selfless at times and in the end it was the best part where she showed a selflessness and it was beautiful in a way so it's good she died cuz she couldn't have lived with the regret. (Very very Off-topic but o well) I don't think the death of Marlene, Lynn and uraih was important I think veronica killed them to torture us I mean I understand the death of tris but why them and I also think that she gave Peter the memory serum because she didn't know how to put Peter's feelings in words
I hate how she shifts her eyes and makes a face when she says "people are allowed to form opinions on it," then she lights up when she says "or to LOVE it/ get enthusiastic about it" subtle, but she doesn't really care about the people criticizing the ending and writes them off as if its their problem
[Spoiler] I think I'm the only person who loved the end. That was the only way that the book could end. I loved Tris more when she did this sacrifice. Idk why but I think a good end for a hero of a book is to die for other. And I know if one day I write a book I'm gonna kill the hero, that the only end that I can imagine. (Sorry for my bad english, I'm french )
Yeah I really agree with Lulu Person there should've been a part where they got married than she died so at least her death stone would say: Beatrice Eaton Prior not just Beatrice Prior
I think my problem with Alligent is that is seemed disconnected to the first two books. I agree that to kill off the main character when she's 16 sucks, but if she had to die it could have been written better. First off I think book 3 should have remained consistent with Tris POV and not to confuse the theme with Tobias POV. Tobias could have provided the last few chapters after Tris death and the books would have continued to be Tris' story not Tobias'. Second I thought her being shot in the back was a horrible choice, hell the girl had been shot multiple times in all the books ans survived, then a seemingly insignificant character shoots her in the back. I felt if she needed to be the one to die for her brother and for her people, she could have seemed to be immune to the death serum, been successful in releasing the memory serum, her friends could have returned they all could have celebrated. Then after the "party" she and Tobias could have been alone together when she told him she wasn't immune to the death serum but it was taking her longer to die. They could have had a "good-bye" moment. It still would have sucked that she died, but she could have told him she wasn't leaving him by choice but that he needed to understand why she had to be the one to sacrifice herself. I think for me it was the lack of closure between her and Tobias' that left me disappointed. I loved his POV in the last few chapters and I loved how he 'flew' on the zip line to spread her ashes. I just felt her being shot in the back was anti-climatic and very disconnected from the first two books.
I heard that tobias felt in love with christina?! Like really?? Please reply my comment on twitter/ig @nitavior i really wanna know the ending of tobias' love!
I find it hilarious and heart breaking how Tris dies, but Christina who wasn't as important to us as Tris is, doesn't die its like wtf?! I found out last night and Im only like, 50, 60 pages into Insurgent :(
I just hope that they change that in the movie because its like what's the point of Tris fighting for survival then she's just going to die anyway. Give the viewer a happy thoughts after leaving the theater you know...
as ive read spoilers abt the ending of allegiant ,and as im listening to this lady,she gives me a lousy writer vibes like, "oh well since its alrdy ended, i wldnt mind my readers feel abt what way i'll end this book now" like she alrdy gave up after a few pages ,and seems like "oh well, important thing is ,im done, i wont care less bout they say" ik tris died and its clearly understandable but to gave the characters the ending which doesn't suit to the journey those characters had is what's disappointing, and a huge waste, like srsly? what happened to those lines she gave to tris and four, knowing both of em stick to their words as thats the characters she portray from the whole series, but she just casually ended these characters ,shallow and lazy ending , i honestly cant keep this kind author who just lazily cutted the ending by "i don't care what they think on my book i'll end it anyway"
I feel like there should have been some secret life serum and there is like only one in the world and Tobias could have stolen it and brought back Tris and then we could have all had the ending that we wanted.
The Allegiant movie didn't make that much money, so they decided to make Part 2 a TV show, but some of the actors quit because of that, so it was cancelled.
I CRIED! I CRIED! OH AND BTW VERONICA IT WAS BECAUSE OF HOW STUPID THE ENDING WAS!!!!!! But I respect you for telling us (the fangirls) the butterknife technique and then killing our heroine!
Still believing that the end will be like this: Four and Tris will be alive with them friends and all goes good and all will be happy IN THE MOVIE ( just in the movie, because if I'll watch it, and the end will be bad, I will be like : :((((((((( and crying more and more everyday, BUT if it will be a good ending, I mean : a super gooooood ending, I will be like : OMG , I love this!) Still hoping that..
I completely understand why she killed tris and I'm trying not going to give hate on this series. It is amazing and relatable. But the ending still made me very upset and I still fill kind of empty as we speak. I just kind of think she could have killed tris in a different way (not that I want tris dead but if that truly was the best route to go I wish she would have killed her in a more deserving way). I like the scenery of her mom coming back to get her, but I wish she would have been able to see Tobias at leas one more time. Also I wish tris died by something other then bullet wounds, because she has survived so many of those that I don't think that was the best way. But nevertheless it is still a powerful ending and one that I think the author can be proud of. Tris is still my hero and I will forever love her......... I don't know how to end this off and saying "be brave" wouldn't be good cause I'm not Veronica Roth......hm......oh how about "be your best self"..... it's something Tobias gets at in the first book when he is showing tris his tattoos...ya...I think I like it. Well bye and be your best self!
I really wanted to read that Tris and Tobias got married and have kids and stuff in the epilogue. I cried so hard when she died!😭😭😭
Then it'll be too similar to the hunger games
what a spoiler
That would be same as hunger games
She has aldready copied the rebel plot from hunger games
Copied the Harry Potter houses and presented them as factions
Copied capture the flag game from Percy Jackson
Copied the maze runner:scorch trials idea and used it in Allegiant
Wouldn't want her to copy the hunger games epilogue as well right?
@@saeepimpalnerkar8055she didn’t copy any of that, literally let her live. Ur js a divergent hater bc Tris dies in the end. She made up her own unoriginal plot.
@@yasminewolfer8688 divergent hater?man you're 12 or what🤣🤣🤣
And yes babe,she has copied it( for the record,I don't give a damn about Tris:)
To be honest I feel like the ending would have been more powerful if Caleb had died sacrificing himself, proving that he's not a total asshole
+ropowo yes!!!! like I need that! please!
+ropowo I agree with you 100%
AMEN
He is so selfish
I agree
"I love the ending of "Allegiant! " - well, you are alone in this..
Yep, completely agree with you.
Totally agree with that...
I totally agree with this.😭😭
That's not true...
Veronica i loved the ending
I completely understand what she is saying. It took me a long time to gather my thoughts on Allegiant. I cried for days, I was depressed, it was awful. Reading about your favorite character dying is not fun. At the same time though, I think this was the ending her character kind of... deserved? It's not the fact that she died, or the fact that she never got a long happy life. Tris was ALWAYS down on herself, and she never felt like she was selfless enough, or that she was this or that. She looked up to Caleb in Divergent before she chose Dauntless, she thought THAT was the true meaning of selflessness; the things she watched Caleb do for other people. She learned at the end of Allegiant what true selflessness really is, and although it broke my heart, it was beautiful at the same time.
Beautiful thoughts !!! Helped me get ovr her death :)
yashi shandilya yeah well it's not helping me 😰
I don’t care if this was three years ago but I just finished alligent and the other books as well and I’m just depressed. I’m so sad and I can’t even believe what has happened. Good books but I’m going to be sad for so long and I don’t even know why......
Help..
makayladrice2015 I agree with you
It's late but I don't care
I was devastated when Tris died. I mean how many bullet wounds did she survive, how many wars and serums did she fight against (even the death serum!) I think to kill Tris from a bullet wound from a random character was wrong. She could have sacrificed herself instead of Caleb but still made it out alive. A terrible ending for such a fantastic trilogy I think. Also Four didn't deserve to lose Tris either.
he absolutely didnt and im so fucking sad about his whole reaction to losing his fucking soulmate
(side note: it was also hella random she decided to kill off Uriah i was also really sad about that because every other time he was mentioned before i was like my babyy uriiii)
It was dumbass david
I feel like there should have been some secret life serum and there is like only one in the world and Tobias could have stolen it and brought back Tris and then we could have all had the ending that we wanted.
@@noahrotenstreich315 But that is a bit to unrealistic to bring someone back from the dead. I think it was a sad but still good ending to the story. I think she had to die to give the story that perfect plot twist ending.
What she means by doing Tris justice is not to make life fair for her. As an author you have to prove the protagonist's character growth by having him/her finish in the most relevant way. The major change in Tris series-wise is that she, as Roth mentioned, learns the difference between being an adrenaline junkie who craves self-sacrifice versus being genuinely brave and selfless. When Tris sacrificed herself for Caleb it was a last-resort scenario in which she proved her story of development. If Tris had lived happily ever after we would not have seen this--she never would have shown that she would sacrifice herself for the right reasons because the opportunity would not come.
Something essential that is often overlooked by readers of Allegiant is the part at the end when Tobias goes on the zip-line and spreads her ashes across Chicago. This perfectly wraps up Tris's story--it is a symbol of her divergence. When her ashes are scattered over the city it demonstrates that she can't be categorized into a box, she can't be kept inside an urn or a jar. Had she not died Roth never would have had the opportunity so include such a significant, symbolic wrap-up for one of the most heroic protagonists of all time.
Also important to note is that the series is really all about Tobias--Roth even said she originally created the story in his perspective but decided to instead tell his story through Tris. There is a certain level of character development in Tobias that would have been left untouched without her dying. Tobias almost decided to take the easy way out and take the serum to forget her. When he didn't that showed an enormous strength in who he had become. He had to learn that pain is not something you should ignore in life. Not with Tris's death, not with Evelyn's abandoning and betraying him, and not with Marcus's abusing him. I was so impressed with his choice to be brave and confront his adversity that it brought me to tears when I read it, many more tears than I cried for the scene where Tris died. It was so much more powerful than a sunshiney ending. It testified strength of will, that life goes on, that we all need to be brave and tackle our fears and our pain.
Sorry to rant, but it really bothers me when readers misunderstand an author's genius and then act like the author doesn't know anything or just wants to make people angry. It wouldn't have made much sense to give Tris OR Tobias the cliche fairy tale ending. Kudos to Roth for being one of the few YA authors to be honest about plot necessities.
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maybe four could have done more to protect tris from sacrificing herself instead of her brother😱😱
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I cant believed Veronica Roth ended the book with Tris dying. She didnt deserve to die if anyone should have died it should have been Caleb!!!! He betrayed Tris and their family. Tris deserved to have a victory.
Agree!
Camila Alonzo You dont really understand,if Tris let Caleb do that,he would end up dead without finishing that mission.Tris has to die,it is the more realistic way.Her life was all about
sacrifice,you can imagine Tris and Tobias living togheter a long
time,but that is not how the film should end.
I mean Tris got peace and I loved it.
I was so upset when i read the book. And I read whay tobias felt, it made my cry even more. Im not not gonna say anything nasty cause it's the author's choice what happens. I think the main reason Tris shouldn't have died is the fact that she's only 16. Realistcally you would have a 16 year old knowimg about sacrifices and scarificing themselves. I also think that the least she could've done is let her see tobias. I actially wished it was a happy ending and everything. I dont expect veronica to make another story but i can hope that the producers wont kill tris in the movie. It would be greatbif someone wrote an alternate ending online that could cheer us up.
you need bad things to happen to your characters so they can grow? you say.
SPOILER:
HOW CAN SHE GROW IF SHE'S DEAD?!!?
Exactly. I also didn't like how she said that Tris "earned it". She was so amazing that she earned LIFE. She deserved to have a happy ending.
[Spoiler] Yes, I totally agree. She deserved a happy ending. And even if she died, I would approciate it would happened a more heroic death, not just surviving the death serum and short after that getting killed by David. On only half a page.
Akyna SERIOUSLY THOUGH
Those are LITERALLY the exact words that I said when she said that
the lesson in allegiant is that not every story gets a happy ending
She EARNED to die like wtf? You can give a fictional character so many other powerful endings, kill is just cruel. And like do you expect us to feel BAD for you?! you had the CHOICE to let her live and you killed her?! It was hard for me too. Like wtf are you saying?! and it's a little hard to grow when you're dead, don't you think Veronica?
What she's saying is tris fought with her life to get to where she was and in the very and what she fought for cost her her own life though she didn't want to die there was no other way around it I meen just think a bit if your being aimed at with a gun at point blank range and your pre occupied doing something *spoiler* do you think that in any way you would be able to dodge or avoid 1 or even two bullets I wouldn't think so but the point is it's sad but in the end the point behind it is that we all get hurt lose loved ones and feel pain but over time that pain gets healed and eventually fades into memory
That ending was just awful. The worst part is that it didn't make sense at all. It wasn't needed and I feel like Veronica just wanted to do something special and she took a big risk. It is good to take risks but this one was to big.The books are so well written and she just blew it with that ending, she killed many girls hero. I had never felt so related to a fictional character as I felt related to Tris. And when she died I literally cried the entire afternoon. The thing that hurted me so much is that it didn't make sense at all and then Tobias... I was so hurt to see how hurt he was. Tobias couldn't handle it. Wich makes sense and ugh I hate the ending SO SO much! Nothing makes sense, everybody's hurt and ugh I feel like I'm gonna cry again...
RESPECT KNEEL DOWN
The way it ended was powerful.
the thing that gets to me though is that she =will completely stop writing about divergent.
And write another book
that will probably mooch off divergent's success
Avalchem AJ How was it powerful? It literally made no sense. And it's not like I can't handle bad endings, because I can. I loved the endings for TFIOS, Me before you, The Best Of Me,... This one was just ridiculous
Lovatic123 actually no. if anything the ending was the only good point in that long ass book. It was really well executed and made sure we as the readers knew without question that this was always Tris's story, even in death. It was always just about her. The story was always centred around her, her thoughts, how her existence alone was causing disarray in her home, how that affected her, and how she had an influence on the characters around her, and what they'll do to either protect her or kill her. It's about her learning about selflessness, and ideologies about bravery, and it's about her learning to know when the line between bravery and stupidity just doesn't matter anymore. with that course it was only realistic that she'd die in the end, there was no risk involved.
Tris died because it showed she was finaly maturing into an adult, she finaly understood what it meant to be selfless. I think it was beatiful
Although the ending literally brought me to tears and personally if I wasn't Veronica I wouldn't have killed Tris off, I understand why Veronica did it, like she says Tris was brave enough and selfless enough to sacrifice herself, I think that was the way to go to stay true to Tris's character
I hate it when people criticize Veronica Roth about the ending of Allegaint, I mean I get where they are coming from; I read the books and literally cried myself to sleep but, sometime after I woke up the next day, I realized...the ending might not have been what I wanted-trust me, I wanted a baby Fourtris or at least some version of a happy ending-but, It was the right ending; the kind that doesn't seem too unrealistic or too brutal. So, if no one else will say this then I will. Thank you, Veronica Roth for writing such wonderful books.😏😌💘📚📖
This book made me have much emotion and made me cry, and I usually don't cry over books, so that's how you know it was good
pufffff..... i was crying bruh CRYING.
I have a great idea now that tris is "dead" she can make a 5th book on how that wasn't tris who died and instead it was a clone or something like that. And she's trapped somewhere unknown and in danger and in need of help and four finds out that she's still alive by either finding a message tris left for him to see and warn or they found something odd in her ashes that didn't match her DNA exactly.
or tris was injected by a serum called mind transfer serum without knowing it, so her mind went into a clone body when she died in allegiant.
Everyone that's hating on the fact that Tris died . . . I think you should respect the author's opinion more. She knows her characters far, far, FAR better than any of us.
I didn't like the ending
For a few reasons
1, tris didn't deserve today she was only sixteen she had a whole life ahead of her.
2, tris went through so much pain and suffering only to die at the end anyway it isn't fair
3, Tobias/four was heart broken they didn't even get to say goodbye properly
4, it broke my heart she was my favourite character
5, so many people were dieing in your story I mean Uriah was his death really necessary and Lynn etc in the end I felt like so many people had died all of which some amazing characters
I also hoped that there was something greater outside the fence instead of what there was
I love you first two book divergent and insurgent but Allegiant was a disappointment I still liked it but not as much
I wish you would write another version of Allegiant :(
Ya i re-read it thinking she re wrote and ya that didn't happen :-(
I agree. I also think that Tris' death is a terrible, unnecessary and kinda disgusting way to say that Evelyn was right when she said that Tris wasn't supposed to last in Tobias' life... Well she DESERVED to be in Tobias' life, but not as a fading memory, not as a ghost. They deserved the life they were dreaming of, holy crap. I'm sorry, but I hate you Veronica.
ConfessionsOfaBook-A-Holic B same thankyou for writing those things
ConfessionsOfaBook-A-Holic B the ending was a good ending tris did what she wanted to do to give rights to everyone. She went into the room with the death serum knowing she might not come out. She just did it she made a choice
+VeVe Girl Yeah but aus had a gun and just left it ..like if she would have taken it she would have been alive. Why does Veronica do this. So many people died in the series and Tris just didn't deserve it. Tobias didn't deserve it. They both deserves that they'll have a happy long life and die when they are like 80 with 3 children but not like this.
When tris died I actually cried I mean I stayed up till 5 in the morning because I wanted to see how it ended and when I read that she died broke down I loved this series and the way I grew with tris .she was amazing and to for her to just die leaving everything was just aggravating and the way she died I believe was unnessary and stupid because she literally just saved her home and just survived a airborn serum that could kill you just for her to be shot by the man behind the experiment and how she just died she just died sorry for those who think the opposite but this is what I think and comment or like if you agree or dislike of you don't agree
all anyone wants is for Tris and four to end up happily together.. The love story is what counts!! :( I really want four and Tris to end up happy I hope they change the ending.
Like veronica said, she remained true to the character. I wouldn't have pictured Tris doing anything differently. I LOVED the ending, thought it gave the book something extra. Cried so much btw
I hope she writes a alternative ending
Everyone is allowed to have their own feelings about the book. I personally loved the first two books. I especially loved insurgent. I found four to be kind of bossy and controlling and I found Tris to be a bit naïve and self sacrificing to an extreme extent. I understood both of their frustrations with each other. I can see why four would be irritated with Tris, but at times I found him sort of one sided. Like when he was mad because she did not share things with him like Wills death. Yet he kept secrets and made his own choices as well. He would say things to Tris in such a flat out way, but I liked that feisty way about him. Like the way he threatened to dump her and the way he just straight up said If I forgive my mom then you better as well. It was like damn he is kind of brutal, but not to a crazy extent. It was attractive to me yet frustrating. Weird, right? They had realistic personalities, they were not perfect. At times I was frustrated with him and her, but that’s what I liked. However, I hated the third book with a passion. Changing the flow by making it from dual perspectives turned me off. I’m a fan of dual perspectives, but not when it was not the original formula because it changes the vibe and style of the books. I fall in love with books and they become part of me, so when the vibe completely changed it was almost not the same book anymore and I hated that. I also hated the ending. We fall in love with these characters and I felt cheated by the ending. It was like it was written just to be different and add shock value. I prefer a happy ending to a series like this one. I’m going to give an example from another book. The way twilight ended left me with a good taste in my mouth and a positive experience. I left the theater and the reading of the book feeling GOOD. I cried happy tears, that ending was off the chain. You walked away feeling so great about it all and the years you invested. That’s what people love, for this particular book you didn’t need a tragic ending. I wanted a pick me up not a bring you down. However, I still love the first two books and if the third had stayed truer this would have been one of my fav series period. I get that Tris had always been self sacrificing, but I wish she could have grown as a person. That part of her was a little overboard and simple minded just like four felt it was. I feel she did not learn and grow up a bit. To me that was not an example of being true to Tris it was a BIG MISTAKE. A bad ending to such a great thing. That’s why it pains me so much because the books were creative and different. I will always love divergent and insurgent, but the author lost me with that last book. Killing Tris made probably 50% to 60% of people hate the ending and fall out of love. Yet keeping her alive would have made 90% to 100% of fans happy with the ending. So why kill her? The book is about the author, but the fans make it point blank. This just turned so many of us off and that was sad because this could have been one of the best trilogies ever.
that ending just was not great😨😨
Thank you Veronica Roth for your permission to HATE the ending, because I do. As the author it is your right to do what you want with your characters this is true. But I will always think it was a poor choice. I invested hours of reading time, months of waiting for the new books, and money to buy the books. Then to have it end so poorly. This is the way I feel and Chloe Z. for you to call others "selfish" and "closed minded" because I have those feelings is not appropriate.
I personally disliked the ending very much. It was not okay to kill Tris, did you even think about Tobias? The Divergent trilogy was great, but the ending was terrible. You could have done much better Veronica Roth, much better. I hoped Tris and Tobias would have a family, but now that can't happen, however I will Be Brave.
Okay so, I spent time borrowing books from my friends and reading them instead of doing something important like homework. When I found out about the ending, I cried. Literally. Like I expected the ending to be quite nice and I even told myself, "nah tris wouldn't die, she's the main character" But when I knew that she died, I really started to hate it. Like I couldn't handle Tobias being all sad and devastated. I swear. Ugh.
ok i get that it was just in tris' character to sacrifice herself for caleb i completely get that but she didnt even die because of that she died because of asshole david shooting her like ??? that was completely unnecessary
green dino Actually I thought that was brilliant. Roth made sure Tris would live long enough to conquer the death serum, like all the other serums she'd conquered. The fact that she died not through a serum (which symbolized being under someone or something else's jurisdiction) she died through her own choice of self-sacrifice. When I read that I was taken away by the brilliance of it all. It showed the real meaning of the series, that we can control ourselves, overcome those who want to take advantage of us and use us, and we can choose to be brave when it's necessary.
Bethany Marie
ok but it was still unnecessary for her to die end of story. like yeah im glad her death wasnt from a serum and all that but she didnt need to die in the first place. all the shit shes been through she dies from a single bullet? idk i think its dumb
green dino I mean you can certainly have your opinion that she shouldn't have died, but it's not end of story. Many people, including Roth and myself, believe for certain reasons that the death was necessary. For instance, her death was necessary for Tobias to fulfill his character development. Rather than choose to take the easy way out and forget her with the serum he decided to face the pain and learn to live with it. Sure, this could have been demonstrated in different ways, but nothing would come close to as powerful an example as with Tris's death. That's just my belief.
I love the movie, i love the book too, but its hard to get over with the ending. I cant imagine Four without Tris. When i read the part where Tris died, i keep asking, why? Why? Why? The ending made my heart broken.😭
Now THAT is class.
Tris died to show the theme of the whole series, and to show that tris was finaly maturing into an adult. I think it was meant to be, and it was beatiful
I am so tired of people hating Veronica Roth for the ending. Look I am so upset that she killed Tris. But to be honest when u think about Tris you know she would have risked her life for Caleb. If Tris ended up alive it wouldn't make the book as good. She survived through the deaf syrum she had to die some how. But as I do under stand a powerful ending was needed could have done something powerful without killing her. But hey Veronica Roth brought us FourTris so instead of hating her we should be taking her. Also those Sheo shippers hating on Veronica maybe Sheo would have met because they were made for each other in this case they met because of Veronica in the first place. So as I said instead of hating her thank her. I mnow Veronica didn't cast them but she did write the book. Without the book there is no movie. Just rethink before hating her. She brought us the divergent series.
actually, if you really read through the book, you will kinda expect this to happen. i still respect her decision to let tris go, because maybe she had a reason to do it and it's not easy to do it.
It's still the best trilogy i ever read.
She should make a different series but with the same people and have tris comes back from the dead
The load of crap that comes out of Veronicas mouth is simply astounding. So, something bad has to happen to a character in order for them to grow? Well, how can they grow if they are dead? Again. Straight out crap.
Ashley Campailla She had to die so Tobias could grow, and so her character development could be fulfilled. Fulfilling a character's development is so important.
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I agree. They grow with each other and the fact that she is killing off Tris is ridiculous and I do not support it at all.
You guys are all so selfish. Veronica did the impossible, she killed her main character. She did such a brave brave thing, and you guys are hating her on her wisdom. Your minds are so closed in, you never see that Veronica isn't ruthless, she killed Tris because of a deep reason, and it is because of Tris's journey through discovering and learning about self-sacrifice. If she hadn't died, the ending would've felt fake but instead Veronica put heavy emotion to the ending and made it just that beautiful.
I agree with you 100%
Well said
Sophia Meso thank you:)
You're welcome :-)
HUNGERGAMES FANGIRL I mainly just liked your comment because of the username and profile pic
Veronica looks stunning
I'm crossing my fingers for them to change the ending to ascendant the last movie next year
me too! I understand why Veronica Roth killed Tris, but I still think Caleb should have gone.
yeah i think it wouldve been more interesting
and veronica a character cant grow when there DEAD
Very honest and mature response Veronica. I am a writer as well and being true to your characters is very important. As one of many who loved the series and the ending thank you for being true to the story.
I feel that she should have let Caleb grow at the ending with his last strengths. I did not understand Caleb's purpose in most of this story and near the ending I felt he wanted to prove himself so he should have been given a chance. He was not given this chance and even after her death he has not shown anything to make him stand out more. Tris's death did not show much growth and was extremely disappointing.
I love her books!
But now Tobias either has to live his life as a loner, or love someone else??
And a better ending?? What about her having a great life!! It is an amazing book, but I don't think Veronica should have killed Tris off.
if you hate the ending, why bother commenting?
come again?
Ps I actually love how she sacrificed herself she truly is amazing
'you have to let bad things happen to a character so they could grow' right. a gunshot in the head and dying on the spot totally helped her grow as a person. real character development. i wasnt sure how i felt about the ending, but watching the interviews im sick of veronica behaving like she did her a favour by killing her off
Well they can't "grow" if they are dead xD
The only thing that I wish they would change about the ending, when writing the script for the movie, is allowing Tobias to be by her side when she dies. Changing the time line of him leaving Chicago maybe. That is what made me feel the worst; the fact that he had to her about her death from someone else and never got to say goodbye.
i like the ending huge twist and not every story ends with happily ever after
my heart cries for this.. sad ending...
loved the ending.
It's not that I hated the ending or how it was written. The writing was beautiful and if Tris had to die, it would be the perfect way to write it. But I just didn't want such a strong character to die because of how emotionally attached I am to her and her life.
OK now I think that having Caleb sacrifice himself would have been much more powerful and showed that his isn't completely selfish but having Tris do it was fine. You know whats not fine?
HAVING TOBIAS AND CHRISTINA FALL IN LOVE IN THE EXTRA.
NOOOO CHRISTINA AND FOUR CAN NOT BE TOGETHER ! I love both of them individually but them together is so wrong 😭
I like the ending, I think it was realistic , she sacrificed herself for Caleb
Me too,but the dead of Tris makes me cry a lot,and,now she can transformed it,so...
DEP Tris.
Don't see me in Ascendent when Tris dead because I wanna cried a lot,OMG😭😭
I won't kill off the main charactor
~Not Veronica Roth.
I cried for 3 straight hours from 1 am to 4 am then i noticed it was Four and started crying again. I know the book was hard for her to write and that I was expecting it.. after all once a stiff always a stiff but I mean... why not write that and then just say the while thing was a hillucination from the death serum and stuff so she doesn't make everyone so angry about it. I loved Insurgent the most. And remember.
Goodnight, sleep tight
Don't let Peter stab you in the eye
With a butter knife
"She really earned it" WHAT? SHE EARNED DEATH? Honey, a powerful ending... did she want to die? WHYyyy
What beautiful books, I was very sad and am still very sad about Tris dying... Like, I literally had to take work off the next day because I couldn't hold myself together... Yes, I know... Ha. But really, it was beautiful, I would have liked a different ending, but this is the ending we got... I still LOVE the books and I can't wait to see what else comes... I loved 'Four' and I feel like that helped me to cope a little bit with Tris' death! Maybe Veronica should write a self help book about dealing with the death of Tris. Haha.. But seriously.
I'm being honest, I didn't want Tris to die but I think Veronica made a good choice :-)
I think Veronica made a very brave decision about what she’s done and it was definitely interested character and it shows how she believes that selflessness and bravery are truly not that different but on the other hand it took me quite a lot of time to digest the fact that she had indeed died and I think my feelings are so much more with Tobias how he copes with the ending but overall I think it’s brilliant you know not everybody’s gonna have the hunger games of the Twilight ending
I have the same name as the author:3 I am in 5th grade and I read this series over and over again and I respect the ending she sacrificed her character but Tris saved the factions! She did the impossible and look she is in a place that is better for her
she enjoys our pain!
“She really earned it.” She really earned her death???
She looked beautiful! =)
Tris deserve a happy ending.. after all she through..
-if Tris woyld die... Tobias would die also..-Insurgent.
I was so depressed when Tris died💔💔
I actually understand the ending of Allegiant, and I'm entitled to my opinion just as you are entitled to yours. Don't come hating on me just because I think something different than most people. Tris had been talking about sacrifice in the first few books without actually really *knowing* what the full meaning of it was. Now I understand that Caleb is a cowardly jerk, but Tris' sacrifice stay true to her character. Sometimes I think it is unfair that she died and stuff, but it's just my opinion.
I don't HATE Alligiant but I DO hate that Tris died.
I know that people tend to hate the book because Tris died and so many extensive reasons. But I feel like her death was realistic, in a sense of it being an attribute to book. It displays the concept that, 'Hey, even the best people don't receive their happy endings'. And I feel like that's what made the book unconventional, in a way. It wasn't some magnificent, sugarcoated ending that was purely made to please everyone. If anything, as people who don't live in a fictional world, I'd expect us to understand that not endings are happy nor necessarily satisfying, even to those deserving of it.
i've always thought one of the main characters might die,but i thought it would be Four.I didn't necessarily hate Tris dying,but i hated the way it happened...so she SURVIVED the death serum and then got shot by a man in a wheelchair,really?That's so not dauntless,had it been any other moment in the other books she would have done the job and fought her way out of there at the same time,so that kind of spoiled it a bit for me.But i loved the 2 short chapters where Four describes seeing her before oficially meeting her,that was beautiful.
if the book wasn't out yet then she and the screenwriters of the movies must had conversations about where the story was heading because a bunch of things that happened in the movie are on the Allegiant book
Is that Kyle from Hypable on the right?
She didn't want to fucking die!!!!!
Veronica commented on some website that Four married Christina after five years and Christina had a baby girl named Beatrice.
Tris died knowing she had saved Chicago and wiped the beareu she knew she fixed everything, she died without worries.
I don't like the end of allegiant AT ALL. But it makes so much sense. I mean. Just think about it. Tris would never had let her brother die. She's Abnegation enough to save her brother. And Dauntless enough to sacrifice herself to achieve her goal. I mean she kinda forgot about being Erudite on that one. But. That's her. That's Tris. And she died for the most beautiful cause. I mean, whether you like it or not... That's one of an achivement of a character
Is Veronica making tris come back, I think she is. My friend and I have been trying to figure out the hidden message to the ending of allegiant!!!
Have you and your friend figured it out yet?
I read the book and Tris dying made me hate it. I hated the ending so much it just ruined the whole story for me. I hoped the movie would change the ending, and I will not be going to see it now that I know she will still die. I also will never again read anything else she has or will ever write.
She didn't deserve to die but I understand what Veronica's saying
What a gorgeous classy lady!
I loved the ending....maybe that's because I didn't particularly like Tris and Four as characters.
Guys why are you hating on veronica?
Killing tris was a good thing Tris accomplished everything she wanted she knew caleb would not survive the death serum but she did only to get shot by david Why i like the ending is because im sick and tired of every story having the two main characters have kinds and live happily ever after. Although i was very sad about her death i liked the ending. Because not every story every person on earth gets a happy ending and thats what books should teach
(Its pretty late to be part of this fandom but who care) Tris deserved a better future but she couldn't have lived with the regret of her brother going. Through the books tris is becoming more selfless at times and in the end it was the best part where she showed a selflessness and it was beautiful in a way so it's good she died cuz she couldn't have lived with the regret. (Very very Off-topic but o well) I don't think the death of Marlene, Lynn and uraih was important I think veronica killed them to torture us I mean I understand the death of tris but why them and I also think that she gave Peter the memory serum because she didn't know how to put Peter's feelings in words
I hate how she shifts her eyes and makes a face when she says "people are allowed to form opinions on it," then she lights up when she says "or to LOVE it/ get enthusiastic about it" subtle, but she doesn't really care about the people criticizing the ending and writes them off as if its their problem
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I think I'm the only person who loved the end. That was the only way that the book could end. I loved Tris more when she did this sacrifice. Idk why but I think a good end for a hero of a book is to die for other. And I know if one day I write a book I'm gonna kill the hero, that the only end that I can imagine.
(Sorry for my bad english, I'm french )
My 12 year old self is dying inside.
Yeah I really agree with Lulu Person there should've been a part where they got married than she died so at least her death stone would say: Beatrice Eaton Prior not just Beatrice Prior
I think my problem with Alligent is that is seemed disconnected to the first two books. I agree that to kill off the main character when she's 16 sucks, but if she had to die it could have been written better. First off I think book 3 should have remained consistent with Tris POV and not to confuse the theme with Tobias POV. Tobias could have provided the last few chapters after Tris death and the books would have continued to be Tris' story not Tobias'. Second I thought her being shot in the back was a horrible choice, hell the girl had been shot multiple times in all the books ans survived, then a seemingly insignificant character shoots her in the back. I felt if she needed to be the one to die for her brother and for her people, she could have seemed to be immune to the death serum, been successful in releasing the memory serum, her friends could have returned they all could have celebrated. Then after the "party" she and Tobias could have been alone together when she told him she wasn't immune to the death serum but it was taking her longer to die. They could have had a "good-bye" moment. It still would have sucked that she died, but she could have told him she wasn't leaving him by choice but that he needed to understand why she had to be the one to sacrifice herself. I think for me it was the lack of closure between her and Tobias' that left me disappointed. I loved his POV in the last few chapters and I loved how he 'flew' on the zip line to spread her ashes. I just felt her being shot in the back was anti-climatic and very disconnected from the first two books.
I heard that tobias felt in love with christina?! Like really?? Please reply my comment on twitter/ig @nitavior i really wanna know the ending of tobias' love!
I find it hilarious and heart breaking how Tris dies, but Christina who wasn't as important to us as Tris is, doesn't die its like wtf?! I found out last night and Im only like, 50, 60 pages into Insurgent :(
Lillie Thomas It's like a Karma moment for her since she kill Will
@@glory1015 not sure, will was about to kill her though zombie like.
I think the people who said I loved the ending were lying because they didn't read the books at all they just heard the spoilers
I just hope that they change that in the movie because its like what's the point of Tris fighting for survival then she's just going to die anyway. Give the viewer a happy thoughts after leaving the theater you know...
as ive read spoilers abt the ending of allegiant ,and as im listening to this lady,she gives me a lousy writer vibes like, "oh well since its alrdy ended, i wldnt mind my readers feel abt what way i'll end this book now" like she alrdy gave up after a few pages ,and seems like "oh well, important thing is ,im done, i wont care less bout they say" ik tris died and its clearly understandable but to gave the characters the ending which doesn't suit to the journey those characters had is what's disappointing, and a huge waste, like srsly? what happened to those lines she gave to tris and four, knowing both of em stick to their words as thats the characters she portray from the whole series, but she just casually ended these characters ,shallow and lazy ending , i honestly cant keep this kind author who just lazily cutted the ending by "i don't care what they think on my book i'll end it anyway"
I feel like there should have been some secret life serum and there is like only one in the world and Tobias could have stolen it and brought back Tris and then we could have all had the ending that we wanted.
Only watched the movie trilogy ... where people get the ending ? Read the book ?
when they doing the movie part 4 ?
The Allegiant movie didn't make that much money, so they decided to make Part 2 a TV show, but some of the actors quit because of that, so it was cancelled.
i don't *like* the ending but it makes total sense. i'm shocked THG didn't end like that. THG ending seems more out of character to me.
Lol I didn’t cry
I CRIED! I CRIED! OH AND BTW VERONICA IT WAS BECAUSE OF HOW STUPID THE ENDING WAS!!!!!! But I respect you for telling us (the fangirls) the butterknife technique and then killing our heroine!
Still believing that the end will be like this: Four and Tris will be alive with them friends and all goes good and all will be happy IN THE MOVIE ( just in the movie, because if I'll watch it, and the end will be bad, I will be like : :((((((((( and crying more and more everyday, BUT if it will be a good ending, I mean : a super gooooood ending, I will be like : OMG , I love this!) Still hoping that..
no offence but i did not like the ending it was because of two reasons one I felt really bad for Tobias two i was really mad that Tris died :'(
I want to remind Caleb that "he isn't god's gift to mankind".
I completely understand why she killed tris and I'm trying not going to give hate on this series. It is amazing and relatable. But the ending still made me very upset and I still fill kind of empty as we speak. I just kind of think she could have killed tris in a different way (not that I want tris dead but if that truly was the best route to go I wish she would have killed her in a more deserving way). I like the scenery of her mom coming back to get her, but I wish she would have been able to see Tobias at leas one more time. Also I wish tris died by something other then bullet wounds, because she has survived so many of those that I don't think that was the best way. But nevertheless it is still a powerful ending and one that I think the author can be proud of. Tris is still my hero and I will forever love her......... I don't know how to end this off and saying "be brave" wouldn't be good cause I'm not Veronica Roth......hm......oh how about "be your best self"..... it's something Tobias gets at in the first book when he is showing tris his tattoos...ya...I think I like it. Well bye and be your best self!