Is Everyone Around You an NPC?
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You may think you have free will and can choose what you do, but this might be an illusion. Your body is made up of particles that
blindly follow the laws of physics, with every outcome already predetermined. So, you might not have any free will at all.
Is free will an illusion, or does it exist? Which philosophical camp is right?
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I love ur channel kurzgesagt!
How is this 5 hours? its only seconds ago this uploaded
nice
@@Nope_The_Rejector unlisted video that they listed
Hello Kursgesagt, I love your channel:)
The dudes saying First are the real NPCs
Unironically, most of the replies on this comments are NPCs
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Officer, I swear, it was established 14 billion years ago!
Ignorance does not prevent punishment
@@amilo5it should tho on some level
@@simonklinkewell that's why we have prisons and not kill people usually
The punishment was established 14 billion years ago too
@@amilo5its not ignorance though, the criminal can be fully aware of their crimes and still be unable to avoid comitting the crimes due to lack of free will.
“When you decided to watch this video instead of doing something useful”
stop spitting facts bro
I got roasted, but I had done all my duties before watching this video
@@NguyenMinh792 It was a light roast then.
Well im taking a shit, pretty useful since i’m multitasking
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Hey me to...maybe that was a curveball to not make you feel like a NPC....who knows🤷🏼♂️@gurudevdhimalmusic
I think the real question is what does "free will" mean.
my mom quit smoking a year ago. it was really hard for her, because her brain is wired to crave nicotine. this was a choice she made. even if this choice was determined by the quarks that compose her brain, this is macroscopically, semantically, what we call a choice. I think determinism doesn't negate free will, I think it's just a way of seeing it
I've beaten addiction as well, but I'm not in any way proud of myself for that. To me it doesn't feel like a choice I made or a battle I won, it feels like an inevitable consequence of action/reaction. I'm happy about it, but don't ascribe it to my own perseverance. My brother doesn't understand me when I tell him this.
@@JorisKeijser OMG thank you! Yeah, it's everything that you lived up to this point, coupled with your genes, that both made you start and finish that addiction. You can be happy it's over, that's for sure! But you didn't choose your genes or the environment in which you were born and then evolved, so it doesn't mean anything to feel proud about it. I think just like you :)
We can think of two different types of free-will. One would be this impossible free-will that is like a magical soul taking over the physics of our brains. Whereas the other is closest to the common-sense definition as free-will being things we choose when not under coercion of some sort. With the "physics itself" of our biological/neurological machinery doing the choice not counting as coercion.
Good for your mother. I wish my father would stop. and that my aunt could have. PS, interesting sciencey thing I've heard, apparently the addiction to nicotine itself ends in a surprisingly short interval, matter of a couple of days or so. Then they argue there's an additional habit component that's not as directly linked to nicotine as once imagined. I don't know how accurate it is but if it's true it's interesting, and supposed to help quitting, with habit substitution/tweaking.
@@Xirnatts My thought is that while me as a person *is* determined entirely by outside factors like genetics and my environment, I am ultimately defined as the entity that exists as a result of these things, not these things themselves. If this entity decided and worked hard to quit smoking, even though this was an inevitable consequence of the events of the big bang, that entity still deserves praise. As far as I'm concerned, when it comes to qualifying for praise, it does not matter why someone is the way they are, just how difficult their task was for them.
I quit alcohol and cigarettes with meditation. People have no idea they have everything they will ever need within them.
If i am NPC, the programmer was joking
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@@AquaQuokkaThey don't even know what RTLOs are
You're a programmers shitpost.
Ok, I'm ready to transition from my tragic backstory into my character development. Please. I'm in my late 20s
"H2O molecules are not wet, but your pants are definitely wet now"
Truly one of the sentences of all time.
I see Kurzgesagt has taken his stand on the age-old question.
pick-up line
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@@ExplosiveKid If you try to use it as a pick-up line, you'll get banned from ever talking to a woman.
Saying that H2O molecules are not wet is basically reopening that whole debate of whether water is wet or not.
“We don’t know why and how; but we know that you’re here right now.” That is beautiful.
do we?
@@Fleischkopf nothing exist but space and you. And you are but a thought.
Kurzgesagt's philosophy
Different take: I can always (only) do what I want, but I can never change what it is that I want. Or at least not without wanting that change in the first place. I don't need particles for this Argumentation.
“When you decided to watch this video instead of doing something useful” I don’t know if that burn is aimed towards us or themselves
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speaking of NPCs, the bots in this reply section:
and your comment are literally invade by actual NPC is kinda funny to me
Considering I’m currently in a college study room watching this… yeah.
These bots are getting more wild now wtf
Your honor, I had no control it was established 14 billion years ago
I have *no choice* but to jail you for...
The comment that says "Officer, I swear, it was established 14 billion years ago!" is 3 comments above this one... hmm
@@shlinctorzgames6618 yeah they must have copied the comment, oh well nothing you can do it was going to happen
@@nick11jlI mean it was decided 14 billion years ago…
You being sentenced to jail was established 14 billion years ago.
This is one of the rare videos where I disagree with kurzgesagt and think their bias shows in the video. It's an interesting feeling
seconded. i've also been having this growing feeling that kurzgesagt's videos feeling increasingly made for consumption and less rigorous. they're more sensationalistic
well, i mean what other choice was better than the one they made? If they picked the side of no-free-will, you'd see a couple thousand deists screaming their heads off. If you picked the other side, you'd have logical thinkers getting angry and the ambiguity of such a statement. At the end of the day, this channel is simply just reporting on the argument being explored by the SUMMATION of humanity (which just so happens to be very polarized in the topic of religion currently), and not to choose a side. I guess that's the takeaway with all of their philosophy videos. Don't come expecting an answer by the end, but rather a provoked train of thought.
@@wallytube3550 they pretty much tell you what they believe. And their argument is extremely flawed. Their argument is pretty much. I want to believe
I don't even understand why people are trying to hang on to the concept of free will. The belief doesnt make any rational sense, it doesn't add anything to meaning of life or how you should act or live.
The video also claims that everyone has an illusion of free will which is ludicrous. I don't believe in free will and do not have illusions of free will either.
@@princeofexcess so every time you go to take a shower, you feel as if something other than you decided for you to take a shower? Or have you ever chosen to "nah ill shower later, I'll do this other thing first" they are still your choices. To step to the left or to the right without any reason right now. The choice is still no matter how you look at it, yours. Noone and nothing else told you to.
Maybe you stood still? Didn't step either right or left when you read that comment. Good job. You decided yourself.
1:22 What a funny little guy-OH NO WHAT HAPPENED TO HIM
It's dark, he gets separated in half
More like destruction until you can see All of him
@@Oscar-yy8gpit's like seeing his soul 🥲
I came here to have an existential crisis, not to be called out for not cleaning my room.
real
Fr 😂
I'll give you some.
You're here because of some carefully picked bright colours on a thumbnail and a clickbait title.
This video was brought to you by ground news. The news site that helps you filter through the NPCs. So at least some of us are NPCs.
Also I just rewatched Idiocracy and saw the scene where the guy was like "omg you like MONEY too?"
The free will argument only makes sense because we can't model the future by measuring every particle. But that argument will fall apart if we could.
We are getting extremely close. Not on the modeling every particle front but by modeling with your sex, gender, age, ethnicity, Google search history, Amazon purchase history, UA-cam watch history, political affiliation, country, etc etc etc and they can read you like a book. They are only getting better and better.
UA-cam is like...here's this video. Ya, click it. You can't help it. I know because I have all your history. You love this sh*t.
So you're saying, lobsters are the epitome of the social dominance hierarchy and we should all strive to emulate their natural perfection? Gotcha, bucko.
Biden: "Oh give me a break"
"At least you can choose what video comes next"
*UA-cam Autoplay:*
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“I’m about to destroy your will, hahaha!”
Bros python code is just bad 💀
WHAT ARE THESE BOT COMMENTS💀💀
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@@remixgameyt1172ignore them they just want attention
It's not just particle physics, but genetics, history, social and economic circumstances, family, childhood education, trauma and personality what makes us make "decisions". We are extremely conditioned by our context. It is nice to think we're free and we own our destiny but we just react to every instant in an immensely complex universe that we do not control.
I think we don't have free will but it's random and unknowable and indistinguishable from free will.
Think again!
If it is random there is a chance to get a different outcome.
Repeat until you have the free will.
random doesn't mean you have control over the randomness. Still no free will, try again.@@linuxgaminginfullhd60fps10
@@linuxgaminginfullhd60fps10well no, because when it is not random, is deterministic, so there is not even a place there where you can fit free will in.
You did not choose your biology, nor where you where born, nor the situations around you, nor your personality, nor you abilities, nor your intelligence. This are all the factors that shape your "decisions", so there is no place for free will there either.
Not even a minute in and I got called out...
Bro just roasted me
@GeneralMisanthropyUTTP shut up
@GeneralMisanthropyUTTP were you hit in head?
@@dinogt8477 report and move on
dot dot dot
A birdless video?! What timeline did I wind up in!
didn't even notice until you mentioned!
Not even a duck
It was determined at the big bang they would not put a bird in this video. Or, the emergent properties of their minds gave them the free will to not put a bird in the video. Or, whatever.
There is a bird on the poster at 8:52 though
10:22
Whenever I think that "Everything that is ever going to happen has happened and I'm just experiencing it now" I get a massive confidence boost, and it helps me get out of my comfort zone and explore new things. So in the "No free will" argument even though it is pessimistic, I feel like there's still something positive you can take out of that.
why is it pessimistic ? one or another it matters not,because it doesnt change shit in your life,so how is it pessimistic and optimistic ? it's just is what it is.
Well, not having free will is kind of a relief because then I don't have to beat myself up for my mistakes and the bad choices...
Or maybe you do have to beat yourself up - that's not up to you to decide.
Well, you cant choose if you feel reaponsible or not. But the main takeaway from realizing we dont have free will is, frist, there is no reason to hate anyone. They did not choose to be that way. Some people need to be stopped if they hurt others, but there is no reason whatsoever to hate them. And second, we need to help others in need. There is a lot, and I mean A LOT of people suffering in the world, and even where you live, no matter whefe you are. They probably dont have the means to cgange their situation, and they are doomed by things beyond their control. So we need to build a society that realizes that there is no free will, so we actually help everyone. No one really deserves to have more than other, because no one made a real choice. We need to help everyone in need
Yeah I was mostly joking and I don’t believe that we don’t have free will. There are no such things as destiny, fate or otherwise. At least in my opinion.
If there is free will, I choose to believe in it. If there isn't, you can't blame me for it.
In a sense, yes - I can't blame anyone for anything. But if you're sufficiently convinced by an argument you have no choice but to believe it.
And conversely, you can't blame me for blaming you ;D
Underrated comment
This is the point. There is no free will, and knowing that I can't blame you for believing in it is freeing.
Why should someone blame you ?
You're free to do what you want.
But you're not free to want what you want.
This is a good way to help people grapple with the question of free will. It highlights the paradox.
It sets up the challenge to the reader to try to want something they don't want and realise that doesn't make sense.
Swap out want with will and you get.
You are free to do what you will.
But you're not free to will what you will.
Or more, you are not free to will what you don't will.
@@antaguana😮
This stands on its head.
You are free to want what you want, you merely have to convince yourself of said wish which is the point where most people fail. A shift of perspective is very much possible and integral part of cognitive therapy.
However, you are not free to do what you want, very much not so. Not because of consequences but due to a lack of means.
my struggle
This video does not include the body, you are locked inside it, of its stimuli and neuro-chemicals.
A proof of this are the sick metals, or children without maturing wanting to see Tiktok or adult content
When they said, "Like when you decided to watch this video instead of doing something useful." it really got me thinking, and I actually turned off my phone to do something more meaningful that I had been putting off all day. Thank you :)
The root of the issue is that the Human Brain/Mind didn't evolve with the workings of the Universe in mind, but rather in the surviving life on this planet as part of a social group of give or take 150 people.
That we have managed tonget this far with our understanding is bloody amazing! That said I think we can get lost in these thought experiments, and wither come up with some truly horrific ideas, or scare ourselves into inactivity as we start to glimpse just how small we are.
Could be that high intelligence is an evolutionary mistake.
Kurzgesagt calling me an NPC was the last thing I expected today
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for fucks sake
It's probably true, though. 🤷♂
Bot @@JosephVissarionichStalin
"Free will that feels free is good enough for us" perhaps the most underrated line on the internet today.
hell yeahhhhhhhhhhhhh!
100%
no it's not lmao
It is an argument from ignorance... so it is not good when you think about it.
@@eudaimonia.filosofia kurzgesagt really ain't a philosophical channel. they should keep their content to verifiable scientific stuff only cuz this overly hopeful dogma is not cutting it off. it's pretty disappointing
Why I need to pay when bacteria in my gut want pizza.
"random" is just simple human term for "idk wtf will be going to happen"
Not really. Random means given all possible events in a domain, all events are equally probable; statistically unpredictable.
For example, saying the result of a dice roll is random, means that any individual doce roll is just as likely to roll 1 as it is to roll 6. Yes if you knew the exact spin and momentum and speed of an individual doce roll you might be able to predict where it would land. But over 100 dice rolls or 1000 they'd all distribute evenly over the six possible results.
Aahh, I almost missed my regular dose of self-doubt and existential dread. Thanks again, Kurzgesagt, coming in clutch!
That's something an NPC would say 👀
This video does the opposite for me
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"We're all here to do what we're all here to do" -The Oracle
Just sit back and enjoy the show and until the credits roll, rip out as much pleasure and fulfillment as you can from this cold uncaring universe
The irony that just when they said “It’s your decision” at 10:20, a 35 seconds long unskippable youtube ad started 🙃
underrated
THE TERM NPC IS ACTUALLY FROM THE GAME OBLIVION THE ONE WHERE YOU WALK AROUND ITALY I DONT NEED TO EXPLAIN IT 8 BILLION PEOPLE PLAYED AND BEAT IT
@@NigerianCrusader yapping? cuz i have not heard of that game and definitely not 8 billion of us played it before lol
@@NigerianCrusader ?
@@kunRavi YOU ALIEN EVERYONE KNOWS OBLIVION
Did anyone see the notification about 24 hrs....
Me: do we have free will?
Kurzgot starts speaking about quantum mechanics
Almost didn’t recognize it as a Kurzgesagt video from that thumbnail
I wonder where the bot is at
Hi! I love your content
hmm, bot on vacation?
The real NPC
Holly shit, they're not here.
"Free will like when you decided to watch this video instead of doing something useful"
Me actively ignoring my exam tomorrow to figure out if i am an NPC
aint no way u too!!!!! [we are cooked]
@@manasnikam4175 You too?!?
And another one
Good luck with your exam :)
GL team, I just finished finals last week so I've been gaming 3 hours a day for the last few days
I remember having a mini breakdown after realizing that free will really is an impossibility regardless if the universe is completely deterministic, random, or a mixture of both.. The only way to save it is if our minds and consciousness is something fundamental which is I'm 90% sure isn't the case.
Fantastic video, as always!
"In the beginning, the Universe was created. This made a lot of people very angry and has been widely regarded as a bad move."
If you know, you will most likely have a towel handy.
@@Fluffythepossum Nah, that's only if you're hitchhiking. If you're staying in one place you'll probably be fine without needing to always have your handy towel on hand.
@@ThePCguy17 Every frood knows where his towel is.
Now i need an audio book of Hitchhikers Guide, but read by Steve Taylor (narrator for Kurzgezagt)
Boooh! And god lost his chess multiverse championchip with that move!
Free will that only feels free means that I am not in control of my actions, but I am responsible for them. The worst of both worlds.
in what way you are not in control of your actions?
@@felipegaitan910 because there is no free will
@@felipegaitan910I think he was arguing over the concept of free will that is only free in feeling. Not arguing one way or the other.
You are your actions - more specifically you are the experience of going through them. And future you is a result of those actions. Don’t get that wrong - every action you do affects you.
The thing of note, however, is that you can easily examine this in reverse order, and it’s exactly as valid. Your future is all a result of your prior actions… down to the present (nothing new here). But your present is a result of your prior actions, down to the most recent moment.
Now you start to notice the pattern.. You can’t change the past. Your future can’t change what you’re doing now. There’s literally no moment in time that isn’t a result of the prior moments. The room for free will in the equation is… none.
The good news is that you’ve been set on a path that that has equipped your brain with the information it needs to generally act in a direction that benefits your life and the people around you. Are you but a mere passenger on a wild ride? In a sense, yeah. Are there ups and downs? Of course. But you’re lucky to have the miracle of experiencing this life, and have a brain that, as faulty as it can be, is able to make the best of it.
Nah you’re still in control, you just don’t know your fate, you can choose tomorrow to believe in predetermined fate and not do anything and decided to become homeless or continue your life like nothing happened. It’s just that the end result can be calculated, it doesn’t mean you don’t have choice.
wow I never knew kurzgesagt had a japanese channel and a spanish channel, I will use both of them to improve my language skills! I love your content and will definitely buy your game, please keep making this content!
THANK YOU! As a chem major, I love thinking about all this, and now I have the language to further discuss both sides of the free will argument
"it can go up, left or banana" is the best sentence I've ever heard
Ikr cracked me up
those are the 3 dimensions: up/down, left/right, apples/bananas
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@@NagashSaganbananas strawberry, bus, lightning, and sock.
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Report the bots, move on
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8:52 “you are shaped by your decisions and your decisions are shaped by you” that makes so much sense
For such abstract concepts, the animation is astounding
...and emotional ❤
Maybe the real NPCs are the friends we made along the way
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@@sm64istrashlolAnd here, my friends, is a prime example of an NPC.
@@sm64istrashlol You watch child porn???
I once was a commenter like you....
Then I took an arrow to the knee.
"Not a single cell in your brain wants to watch youtube." - Kurzgesagt, 2024
There's actually research out there that suggests your brain knows what you are doing and your choice before the consciousness does so then this is literally wrong
Those are, in fact, words.
@@isaiahayers1550 Very astute.
@@boozypixels 'preciate it
"...but your brain made of 80 billion interconnected neurons does!" 😅
If you haven't seen Devs, give it a watch. It's basically about quantum wibbly wobbly stuff and whether or not the universe is deterministic. Great series.
"[our opinion is] we don't know" ... *proceeds to draw the determinists evil looking*
Well, yes. Kurzgesagt guys are usually amazingly good at giving things a positive spin. Hey, even their Optimistic Nihilism video was... optimistic. But here it feels like they've played down the "let's accept the world as it is and enjoy it", although they still said it. 🙂 What I didn't quite like is that they used Straw Man ("magic"), which is something they never do. And then they went on to confuse and obfuscate the matter of Emergence by turning it from "interesting" into somehow "free", which is kind of like saying that if you don't watch a ball bouncing off the edges of the screen and instead watch an engaging film, it makes you free to choose the events there. 🤷🏻♂️ ... Although, the whole thing might not be about the physical truth, but about what sorts of memes are being spread. Telling people that they are free is much more useful that telling them that their lives are completely determined. Some illusions aren't meant to be shattered. 😄
@@TinyShaman Another thing I didn't like is how they mystified emergence. Yes levels of abstraction matter, but "your digestive tract" could potentially influence galaxies, it's not very likely, but to be absolutely certain you would have to account for that. We just don't have the processing power for starting so low at the abstraction level and we don't have the math neither.
And also the rejection of free will DOES have arguments that operate on a very high abstraction level, psychology and consciousness, showing that our conscious understanding of the decision making process, in fact comes AFTER the generation of the decision itself. What we perceive perceive as rational reasoning for our decision is only a small snippet of the underground processes, namely the part that could be adequately risen to the level of language and sentiments.
@@grivza Yes, I agree on both points. And I would be so cautious on the first count, either. Emergent ideas, religious, social, economic, etc. are already influencing the state of the galaxy. Lunar and Martian soils have already been taken to Earth. And if a particular country's president's digestive tract's condition can boost or slash, say, the asteroid mining belt program, the influence is rather evident. 🙂
As for the recent research on the illusion of choice, yes, they just outright ignored it.
In any case, it's a little bothersome that they went with "determinism bad" subtext. There's plenty of positivity, beauty, and hope to be derived from the "no free will" worldview, to my mind.
Can you define evil? Is evil bad or bad evil? How determinism explains morality and what/who makes good good and bad bad?
@@AbelRajan From deterministic perspective, morality is a rather loose conceptual system that has emerged from patterns of behaviour which have proven to be either beneficial or detrimental for individuals and / or societies. Such patterns aren't the sole prerogative of humans and are present in any more or less complex organisms and their communities. Simply put, experience shows what behaviour improves the life of the community, and what harms it. The former becomes approved and promoted and the latter is frowned upon and is weeded out. I hope it has been clear, but feel free to clarify.
I’m having an existential crisis. Thanks Kurzgesagt!
don't. If you stop existing you can never have existential crises.
How you have so many subscribers, with so little views
HOW DO YOU HAVE 6M SUBS?
@@NHasanS bots
It is just as any other video of Kurtzgesagt, I have read this many times on the comments under their videos. On every video from them, we almost all feel an existential crisis.
The best argument against a determinist is when they try to talk to you just repeatedly make fart noises with your mouth at them and when they tell you to stop say "I cant. My behavior was pre determined since the big bang."
That is really smart. WOW 😂
So you're saying my upstairs neighbors might not be CHOOSING to vacuum at midnight and run around from room to room at 2 am?
NPC, what are you talking about? I sell swords and can repair armor, which one is it? Oh, the road to Vizima is straight ahead. Have a nice day adventurer.
Potion seller I need your strongest potions!
@@therexbellator I am afraid my strongest potion will turn you racist.
Thank you, shopkeeper. May the Ligma be with you
Can I sell you this odd junk I found in someone's treasure chest and doesn't seem to have any use but to sell it?
but can you craft grandmaster gear
A disturbing lack of birds in this video.
A more disturbing lack of insight and research.
@@antaguanaCheck the sources
@@antaguana There's literally annotations and sources in the description of every video, the bots have better bait than this.
@@Cyoulaterbud While the sources seem legit, this doesn't mean there's a lack of bias and manipulation. And Even if they are, academia isn't necessarily telling the truth.
@@N12015 Implying either of two things. You only know the truth, or the truth cannot be known.
These are hilarious takes on free will and determinism, the comments here are pure gold. Kudos to Kurzgesagt for sparking such a lively and thought-provoking discussion.
Great use of the aperiodic monotile for the neural pathways diagram!
“Instead of doing something useful” that’s crazy
made me rethink what im doing with my life ngl
We all caught a stray
"I think, therefore I am not an NPC"
-René Descartes probably
I see the joke. (Edit: it is a good joke and made me laugh 😂 )
But for the record (edit: and benefit of those who may not be familiar with Descartes), this is not what descarte was saying. He was saying all he can be sure of is if he is thinking there must be a him in some respect to do the thinking. That is not the same as saying he is free to think however he wants to think. There may or may not be a good or evil being that may or may not force him to think a particular way, but there would have to be a him to have the thought that he is thinking about whether or not he exists.
@@antaguana 'I understand that was a joke, but I'm going to deconstruct it anyway as if I didn't'
Cogito, ergo sum
@@antaguanaI'm almost positive someone construing a Descartes quote out of thin air and into a joke probably knew exactly what Descartes was meaning when he wrote the famous quote.
Inner monologue gang, let's go!!!
Yonked the content from "History of the Universe Channel". And thought we wouldn't notice. Well presented by the way.😂😂😂
i think an interesting thesis to this video is, that the truth out of the two given concepts may lie, just like in many other things in life, between the different opinions.
maybe the decision to be self instruated is the first decision it needs to make the difference.
maybe you get to decide wether you want to be an npc or not.
remember, in the universe, it cannot be that nothing happens. an indiscussble fact is that you are alive right now and you are able to perceive things. but if you’d just completely stop being self instruated, that wouldn’t mean you’d die and stop perceiving. it would just means that the universe would drag you wherever it made logical sense.
further backing this “middle way” thesis is that we pretty much all have had exipieriences in which we felt like we did something without really thinking about it.
but then there were also the things like hobbies, etc where there was no real logical reason to do these activities. mather fact we still choose to do them because they were pleasurable.
we are the tool the universe developed to observe itself and why would the universe wanna observe itself if not for pleasure or to give meaning to all of it. being able to go around in the universe, or more specifically the earth, freely is the the only seemingly irrational thing that happens in the universe.
so maybe life and the free will that comes with it is the last missing piece to make the universe whole.
Judge: "How do you plead?"
Me: "Not guilty by reason of Determinism"
Good luck to your lawyer to prove the determinism
A computer is deterministic but if it constantly does the wrong thing I don't keep it around...
@@Chris-xo2rq a good analogy
Determinism doesn't absolve you of responsibility. In fact, it forces responsibility upon you.
@@Chris-xo2rq Absolutely! But there is no reason to throw your computer on the floor and start stomping it because it doesn't work... or is there?
"Your honor, my client didn't shoot that man because his actions were already chosen at the big bang, is he is only a witness, since he can't control his actions"
Objection! This is irrelevant, please keep discussing about causes and remedies.
How about someone with an extensive brain tumor? Would they be responsible for their actions?
“Well then, it is predetermined that I will count your client guilty, I cannot stop myself from doing so.”
Agreed. He is a dangerous effect of the big bang and must be segregated from society to prevent more damage. This judgement is also an effect of the big bang.
We are not saying he deserves to be locked up, or that we should exact retribution. He is not evil. Simply that we want to lock him up to protect others until we can find a way to stop him from causing harm. This will also serve as a warning to others, and become part of their circumstances which will influence their decisions.
Law and order still works without free will. It is just a lot more compassionate as we see criminals as victims of circumstance and would try to help them by adjusting the circumstances.
Would you accept the defence that a doctor has found a brain tumour effecting the defendants decision making process. If the doctor says history shows this person was a peaceful, compassionate, helpful member of society before the got the tumour. I can remove the tumour and return them to their true self. Would you want to treat them as a patient or punish them as a criminal? Perhaps both? Why?
@@Draconicfish2679 best response
5:43 It didn't create something new, 'wet' is just the term we use to describe something which is saturated with liquid molecules
(and sometimes the influence saturation has on that something)
I understand this is an attempt to explain emergent properties, but it seems like a pretty weak and clumsy one, especially since the earlier example of atoms > cells > organs does it a bit better
i had asked this questions years ago , i seeked philosiphy, religion, parents , friends and there was no definite answer. it is nice to see kurzegast making a video about it.
Are you NPC?
"No I'm not NPC"
*Process to walk into the wall*
😂😂😂
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@@UTTPNINTENDOWARRIORwhat the fuck kinda bot is that
Are you NPC?
"No I'm not NPC"
*Proceeds to watch a video about npcs.*
Can you hit though the wall? If not, you are at least not a Soulborne NPC.
0:01 no im not free help me
My comment grows rapidly rn
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- An absolute determinism means that whatever action you take is the right one.
The faith is the action you gonna take, it is not an action you should (or should not) take.
Might feel counter-inyuitive but is absolutely logical
About the video - my opinion is that level of organisation below affects level above even if it has absolutely different and not connected properties.
When you say emergence can't be explained, I think it's more accurate to say it can't be *predicted* . Those are very different things. To paraphrase Wolfram who has interesting things to say here, emergent phenomena are computationally irreducible meaning you can't fully predict what will happen without actually playing out the fundamental rules or computer instructions and observing the result. It's basically a form of chaos theory. That doesn't make emergence - be it consciousness or the weather - something that transcends the fundamental laws, and it doesn't make the end result any less deterministic. So while you might not be able to make much progress understanding consciousness by looking at atoms, that in no way means the atoms aren't driving the emergent behavior, just as the unique properties of water emerge from the electrical bonds between the molecules. So emergence alone only explains why we can't *predict* the behavior of creatures who appear to have free will; it doesn't make that behavior any less subject to the physical laws.
The only place left to look for free will is at the *lower* level. If free will in the genuine sense that we all want it to exist in actually does exist, then every quantum of mass and energy that constitutes our brains would need to make some infinitessimally small contribution to our free will. Perhaps this is true of all energy in the universe and is the very underpinning of quantum randomness. In any event the decisions ultimately made by the brain would be a function of the trillions of individual quanta reaching some kind of collective consensus, like a hive of bees choosing a new home. I'm not saying I believe this (nor am I saying I don't - I have no idea) but I don't see any other way free will could exist in a physical universe that obeys mathematically precise laws, which is the universe we appear to live in. (Of course religion could also be right and there could be a nonphysical soul, but if that's the case there's no point in even talking about this).
So the question of free will is very much open and may very well be for the remainder of human history - but the search for it needs to be at the deeper level, not the higher one.
its turtles all the way down!!!!!
If I'm a npc the programmer was clearly not going to their weekly therapist
We've all just got to realise free will or not, we all still live are alive and have to genuinely not think about these time wasting issues
Lmao same
Or they wanted to do a little trolling
@@keidasI don't think its a waste of time to discuss ESPECIALLY since these ideas govern how are legal system works. But if people feel intense discomfort I wouldn't force them to discuss it as long as they aren't vindictively harming others.
Nah, you are a totally normal result of agile development.
"H2O molecules are not wet"
The amount of conflict I sense is about to happen
It's probably not dry
@@besmart2350 I agree with the first camp more, but also why in the observable universe would you use that example?
@@besmart2350 my take is that we just don't know nearly enough to presume that pure reductionism is an appropriate approach to the universe. What is definitely true though is that the belief in free will is part of the antidote to feeling like a worthless npc
@@besmart2350At the end of the day it's an ontological problem, the same kind of problem statisticians face when considering a coin a random process.
yay no bots
It's great to see that "In a nutshell" and I are going through the same existencial phase for the past few years.
I'm in the "No free will" camp, and I think a more important question is what even IS free will. I have a feeling a lot of the arguing boils down to what free will is.
Technically, we're all "non-playable-characters" since we're on our own and no one controls us.
But technically we’re also all playable characters because we’re playing as ourselves
Most NPCs don't know that they're NPCs.
I don't find the NPC analogy 100% fitting. Being _Non-player_ kind of imply there is a player, and a game, and game maker. or at least some do.
maybe we are npc that operates within certain rules and deterministic laws, but our brains are a sort of a condensation step, the bottleneck of biological of complexity from emergence.
The brain gets so complex on it's own eventhogh constrained by deterministic rules, so it's in fact a layer, a kind universe within the universe, with it's own set of rule that the outside universe can't really predict, as the decision making process of the brain doesn't follow deterministic rules that apply to the outside universe.
the government controls us bro
Noone controls you, you sure about that?
Emergence isn't really an argument against determinism. It just seems like a redefinition of what free will is to avoid the argument altogether.
yeah, I had the same tought. It’s funny to see the “Conclusions & Opinions” sections pop up after that bit. Like wait, was that last section supposed to be objective analysis? :P
This.
"You need to explain what happens using a nearby layer." does not contradict the fact that you can keep explaining all the way down.
Basically everything that Kanitscheider et. al. said about this about 20 years ago still holds true - it mostly comes down to whether you think quantum process randomness matters enough (which I do because you can magnify it).
But apart from that it's mostly enjoying the ride and experience of feeling it all happen for the first time.
It’s like saying a video games can’t be reduced to ones and zeros…
Exactly, water and "wetness" is in emergent property, but it still obeys laws of physics one way or another. It's an interesting proposition to think about, but fundamentally it does not define any mechanism of "freedom" getting in the equation.
The thing is that "emergence" is also a deterministic process: many H2O particles can wet certain materials because of how they interact with each other and the material's molecules. This all "emerges" from the properties of the single H2O molecule, like from it being highly polar.
The fact that we don't call something with a single water molecule on it "wet" is just a limitation of language, because the word wasn't invented with knowledge of the water molecule or the intention of being perfectly unambiguous rather than practical.
Talking about clockwork joining together to gain the ability to measure time was right there as an example of emergence...
I was confident that all people around me were NPCs till 7 , then understood am also an NPC 😢
I'm watching this video instead of studying because the laws of physics literally force me to
bruh these bots are getting out of hand
ngl bruh if there is no free will at this point physics got me completely cooked because there is no way with the amount of videos I've been watching instead of studying
UA-cam still can't find a way to deal with these bots?
@@tjsm4455 it can't deal with CP bots, but when I'm arguing about politics YT is deleting or hiding my comments.
@@tjsm4455I doubt they are actually trying. Seems the most they are willing to do is ban the accounts once mass reported. They appear to refuse to use and preventative measures.
Bro just dismantled my "water is wet" argument in like five seconds...
Yeah, pretty determinist IMHO. The nature decided that water, or any liquide, make you wet. Where the free will gonna be : "would I want to be wet ?" If you have the choice to not be, don't go inside the water. But if you're forced to go inside the by causality, your free will isn't there, it's determinst. For example, if someone ask for help because he will drown, you will have no choice to be wet to save him or her. Even if you're petrified by this situation, it has been determined by your mindset.
@@freestalkerdotfr6391 Just to probe this train of thought, is the implication that our values strip us of free will?
So, a socioopath, for example, would actually have more choice in this scenario, as their decision to save that person wouldn't be bound by moral values, but instead, by whether it personally benefits them enough to save them.
And I suppose the amount of choice also increases if it's a mass-murderer in the ocean, as you'd have to wrangle with your own internal values versus the overall good allowing nature to take its course would do.
Water itself isn't wet, it's water so it is never dry and cannot therefore be wetted. It can only make something else wet.
Different between one atom or more, its crazy
I don't get the being wet argument though... Being wet is just having H2O molecules in itself. What's so weird about it?
I believe we can add the many world interpretation to try and reconcile both sides of this argument.
The causes of our choices may be randomly driven, but we could still have a word to say in wich phase we are witnessing
4:04 Somehow my electron always randomly choses to go left.
Kurzgesagt has taken an official stand,
5:35 - Water is not wet
No, they only said individual molecules of water are not wet, never said anything about whether or not a bundle of them are wet.
they basically said "water IS wetness"
Water isn’t wet, it makes things wet, you can’t have more wet water but water can make things progressively wet
water is not H20 molecules either it's a certain configuration and procsses of them makes water and a liquid and all the other properties of water that h20 cannot simply have
@@UrbanTomfooleryWATER IS NEITHER DRY OR WER
WATER IS WATER A
You are the product of your environment, but your environment is also a product of you.
As beautifully put by two of our greatest scientists: Karl Marx and B.F Skinner. Both said the same, and I wonder if Skinner took it from Marx.
@@leonardoazevedo8832💀
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Is there an environment without you in it?
this video made me clean up my room
you heard it here folks, kurzgesagt officially took a stance on the is water wet debate 5:35
The Emergence argument isn't really an argument for free will, only against the deterministic counter-argument. It doesn't explain how a Free Will could work, specifically.
I think the video could have made this clearer. The concept of “magic” that was dismissed in the video is better put as a force that we have absolutely no idea if or not it exists. That and the fact that our macro sciences are concluding that there is no free will doesn’t help the free will camp. There are also other macro level problems.
But the lack free will paired with consciousness isnt such a bad thing. It’s a gateway to compassion for the human experience.
@@GuapLord5000 It's so freeing, knowing that the shortcomings of others can't be helped. There is no reason to be angry. You just understand and carry on.
I agree, the free will camp in the video didn't explain the basis of free will like how everything should have started in their part, but for me, free will camp believes in the beauty of chaos that can break the fundamental laws of science, just like how the black hole works so mysteriously because many believe that it breaks reality, but who knows, maybe it's all calculated and everything came from a predetermined course of actions with logical explanation... in the end I'd go with free will camp for my sanity's sake 💀
@@aelianeveningfalls4291 But we send people to prison for actions they couldn’t control.
@@GuapLord5000don't we know it exists since we know wetness exists but can't explain why? So there's something else outside of our physics which is present in the universe. We don't know everything.
“When you decided to watch this video instead of doing something useful”
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I recommend reading "Determined" by Robert Sapolsky if you want a more in-depth view of the "no free-will" side of the argument.
Your neurons are deterministic, and it could be calculated what you will do, but that doesn't violate free will. Whatever your neurons decide is whatever you decide by definition, because "you" are just a clump of cells anyway. At any moment you can make a decision, thats free will, and that decision can be predicted with enough compute power, thus determinism. They arent mutually exclusive.
That's the compatibilist trick of language to re-define freewill as "free to do only exactly what you were always going to do".
Which is not how most people think of freewill, or how it's been used historically.
The moral is : fuck around and find out
Nice one! :'D
But seriously though, I don't think we'll figure out the theory of Free Will any time soon...
everyone trying to make a funny comment i know it
If the universal design is for me to be a mischievous goblin, then I might not have free will, but I will at least have pleasure.
hell yeah! glitch out this stupid simulation. gonna jail break yah "REALITY"!
The only rational thing anyone can do.
I open UA-cam and the first thing I get is an existential crisis.
Nothing better than this
You might have an addiction.
@@Zenas521I am addicted to some things but youtube ain't one of them.
It all startet with a study asking people whether they frequently hear an inner voice or not.
i don't get why crisis ? this videos and such videos in general should be empowering. find purpose in the bigger picture. U R THE YOUNIVERSE
This is exactly the thing ive been wondering about.
I agree with the conclusion of the video: Free Will is more appealing, and whether it exists or not matters little for practical purposes as what we have is enough for us. At most, it may or may not underline who you'll partner up with. As well as restructure your thinking patterns to grasp that having no free-will =/= being an NPC in the colloquial sense.
I'm rather firmly on the no free-will camp. Having looked into Psychology, Sociology, and other behavioral and brain sciences, I think it is not truly possible to say that Humans have free-will when our patterns of behavior are extremely patternicity. Ffs, our thoughts happen about 10 minutes in the unconscious brain before we even get them in the conscious brain.
I don't buy the emergence argument because even if you successfully demonstrate that things as small as quarks has nothing to do with whether or not we have free will at our level of complexity; that's still a far cry from saying that we are free to exercise our wills with actual freedom. Even if you were to somehow take emergence and zero it in on our level of complexity: that's still not necessarily evidence for free-will.
I would not be surprised if emergence is merely a transcendent property of lower complexity functions, but I'm no physicist on this subject.
The anti-reductionist argument presented here doesn't work. Sure a single H2O molecule isn't wet and wetness is an emergent phenomenon but it is fully explainable from the properties of individual H2O molecules. And this is true for all emergent phenomenon that has been identified as such: each and every one can be fully explained from the properties of the parts that make them. The reason we don't start from quantum mechanics to explain politics isn't because its a category error, its because it would be an explanation that is too complicated for human minds to use for any practical purposes. Reality isn't seperated into layers, we make those layers to make things more understandable to our limited minds. This of course doesn't mean we don't have free will but this argument doesn't make the case for free will either.
This is 100% true. You nailed it.
I commented the same thing, but you put it better 🙏
If you’re a determinist, your opinion (quite literally) doesn’t matter
yeah, i agree. there truly is emergence, one neuron doesnt make decisions etc, but a bunch of quantum fluctuations happening to ALL THE NEURONS does affect that "emergent mind" so i think, at least that argument, doesnt hold much ground against the deterministic one.
i do agree tho, that feeling like its free will is good enough, and if you dont know the future then just live your life. maybe you have no choice, but in case you do, make the best choices you can.
Your argument fails at consciousness. Its an emergent property, so is life. An emerget property of the universe.
Clicked on this to say that I work at a reception desk, and take my dog for a walk at pretty much the same time every day. I am almost as NPC as a human being can get 😂 all I do all day is assign annoying side quests for little to no payout to other people. Like get me your boss's schedule so I can book him in a meeting; retrieve these office supplies and bring them to me; repair this minor inconvenience of an issue in our office or on our computer. MY coworkers are like "how was your weekend, did you do anything fun?" and I'm like "nah I did nothing".
Immanuel Kant is proud and I am inspired.
Well at least other people do ask you about. Nobody asks me about mine, because I then speak about loops, conditions and compilations, and all they hear is "#$^&$ @^$*( @^&!$)".
Hello adventurer and welcome to the town of honeywood!
The way I would have an existencial crisis every day 💀
NPC's in games were modelled on the average person, so if it makes you feel better, you're one of us 😂
I wonder what makes us like something. For exmaple: when we 1rst played a video game we couldnt have chosen that we will like it but instead it was some chemical process or electrical impulse in our brain that got generated at that very moment inside our brain which made us feel like we should try playing the game again some time so according to this we still cant control what happens at the layer which directly affects our free will and therefore i think we dont have free will.
This channel never fails to give me an existential crisis.
I appreciate that you always make subtitles for your videos, Kurzgesagt. As a non-native English speaker, it helps a lot.
We can at least agree that the spambots don't have free will
If bots didn’t exist, you wouldn’t have written that comment
They have the same amount of free-will as you do.
@@truthseeker7815 no sh*t Sherlock why would his free will decide to do that?
@@Iwastheman, chill ji ji ji ja
@@Iwastheman you missed the punchline
My theory on this: We don't nearly know enough to answer this question and every single people arguing about it is wrong
That's why we cooperated and created something capable of giving the satisfying answer. The question of free will implies the question of moral choices, decisions and consequences. It is clear that humanity has established multiple religious and rule based law frameworks to achieve and often enforce cooperation. Thus a direct answer is likely to lead to a conflict of interest between different groups of people. A more reasonable strategy would be to conclude that "choices matter".
this is mind blowing , i used to believe there is no free will . but now i have a brand new view point . very good video.