Impressed with how Eli has kept a cool head at this incident and moving forward. Continues to pass Marv cleanly even after this. 😂😂 Must piss off Marv big time! Much respect for Eli. Marvin lucky he is not a hot head like Peick. Else he would be screwed every round 😂😂
@@jake02cute No Sorry , have never seen him put his front wheel straight into anyone! Dont agree? Show me where he literally blasted someone! Marvin steered right for him and for his luck even as he said worked out for him. Difference between turning in and making contact and aiming bullseye!
People are very inconsistent when it comes to Musquin. Was his move on Tomac dirty? yes. Has Tomac done things that are also dirty? yes. Has Anderson? yes. Has Barcia? yes. Have all sorts of other riders that are not hated? yes. Plenty of riders have done things like this and not many people hate them as much as they hate Musquin. I think a big part of it is that hes not American, also because there is a very large group of people that praise Tomac like hes some sort of god who does no wrong. I like Tomac, I also like Musquin, they are both far ahead of many other riders in terms of their ability's and talent. Another inconsistency is when Musquin pulled over for Dungey (I understand why team orders are a thing but in my opinion that looked far worse on Musquin than hiting Tomac did) everyone was saying hes spineless and needed to be more aggressive, which was somewhat true, he did need to become aggressive. Now every time he does anything aggressive he gets shit for it (I mean more than just the incident with Tomac)
I agree with you 100% I won't even get into this anymore or i'll be typing for days, I'll just say as much as i love both Eli and Marvin, Marv should have just owned up to it better and not try and put the blame on Eli, or bring Grant and Jason into what happened. It's over now they both have moved on from it.
I think its a personality think. I love tomacs attitude. Just as much as I love Roczen's attitude about racing. But Marv doesn't have that heart (in my opinion) that some other guys do. I'm sure Marv has the heart of the other guys, but it doesn't reflect in his personality IMHO. Any rider I root for does no wrong, just as a friend at local races. Plus, Tomac is my hometown hero as I'm from CO, I wanna see him beat everyone (Even Herlings, who is also a very cool and confident GP rider)
If it was the other way around everybody would have say fantastic! We don’t see musquin doing hard move often so for one time give us a break. When you see Anderson, barcia or other rider with the same aggressive style everybody find that amazing... this is a race for the win in 450 class and plus Marvin was still in the loop for the title... nothing to cry about! Let’s move one!
Personally I find it funny anderson couldn't say nothing because he did that too musquin yet no one cared but as soon as tomac gets it like he did to Webb all hell breaks loose
Aaron Machado Webb was cross jumping if you actually look into why he did it. So back the fuck up. If you got cross jumped you would do the same thing. And tomac passed him as clean as you can get the lap before. Musquin couldn’t pass him clean so therefore he took him out. As were seeing in outdoors nobody can take on . Only thing that keeps him from dominating is a bike problem.
Aaron Machado but to pass a guy that just passed you clean? It’s a chicken shit move. It’s different if tomac cleaned him out the week before. But tomac never gets aggressive unless someone is with him before. As we saw with dean Wilson in the 250 class.
Eli Tomac is the best Eli if you see this just know that I look up to you and fear is only in the mind I love you I cant wait till next month when I get my own dirt bike Eli is my hero #team green #team Eli
Marv is usually a stand-up guy but he ran over Tomac on purpose. What suprized me most was Copper Web, & Marv trying to take each other out; there lucky they both didn't get hurt, & Tomac taking over as the points leader.
I know I’m a couple years late but I saw this live and was just going through some older SX vids and stumbled on this again, so if anyone is willing to listen, here’s my take: Yes, rubbing is part of racing. You have to be aggressive to be successful. However, at least in my mind, there’s some unwritten rules on what constitutes dirty vs non-dirty and it’s largely based on race scenario. If a guy like Tomac starts back in the pack and has to blow by a bunch of slower riders to get to the front, he needs to do whatever he can to make passes. That means if a slower guy is holding him up, by all means go inside and hit him. Generally, if someone is faster than someone else on a given night and it’s obvious but the slower rider is riding a wide bike, I’d say it’s acceptable for the faster rider to be as aggressive as need be. However, in a situation like this, Musquin just takes a cheap shot. Tomac was obviously faster than him this race (like most races) and passed him clean. Marvin didn’t have a legitimate claim to a win in this race. The only way he could get Tomac back was by taking him down, Which I think is lame. When two guys are at the top of their game and a battle ends up in one guy getting taken out, it’s just not cool, especially when the guy on the dirt had the speed to win. That’s just my view
The thing that makes me mad is that everyone treats Tomac like he is Jesus while musquin gets a lot of hate (probably because he's not American imo) Everyone makes dirty passes but when musquin does it he gets so much hate. Nobody made this big a deal over tomac taking out webb, or tomac taking out bagget. It's kind of one sided just because he's a majoritys favorite
Leland no crap just got ahead of them, and that was last year aka the past, different season new race and Marve was pissed et3 tracked his ass down and cleanly passed his ass and the only was was for him to take out tomac, bad cheap shot
No grant definitely waited at the finish line jump for Tomac. But the kawi boys raced clean all year until marv pulled over for dungey. Then they said Fuck it game on. Fast forward two years and savatgy pulled over for Tomac to win a million. It is a little different though because mec isn't a championship points round. Kinda a fun race to get back in the swing of thing.
It sucks getting knocked out like that, but its racing. It happens in this sport. It's all part of what we love about this sport. There will be miscalculations about exactly where you put your front tire or in this case how hard you go into someone. It's not the first time a rider took out another rider. I think Eli kinda kept a cool head about it but cried about it in the press interview.
Musquin is a fantastic MX champion, very technical with great fundamentals; he literally wrote the book on how a featherweight rider can tame a monster bike (±70 Hp / 200 lbs with more torque than a tow truck) with ease and finesse, pick the best lines and always find the best throttle and gears sweet spot; but all the American chauvinist rabid fans can do is b!tch about how he once closed the door on Tomac. Just enjoy the bliss of seeing how good and smooth he rides. Your patriotic hatred makes you miss dirt riding at its best.
You goofball. That was for the entire championship. And Dungy was expecting and ready for it. That’s why he’s a champ. He and Tomac knew what had to be done in order to go for all the marbles that night. This video, Marv has done plenty of dirty shit to Tomac and others for years and try’s to act like the good guy. This ain’t MXGP dude. Blasting people for no reason is dumb and bad for business and racing in general. Tomac is the furthest thing from “dirty” riding but is no punk to dishing it back. “What comes around goes around” 🤷🏻♂️
I just think its funny how Osborne got in trouble for his pass, which was for the championship, and in all honesty wasn't as cheap as that one, yhey just got a little hooked up. I wanted savatgy to win that year but admitted that with Osbornes hard charge and slightly a little over the edge pass was understandable. Musquin is very good, but doesn't get a lot of wins so when he saw that he was getting straight up beat, he threw a tantrum on the track. I still think that some penalty should have been added tho.
The difference between ET being a real aggressive rider is he passes because he's faster Marv will take you out because he's slower and many other do the same
I see it from both point of views. Yes, it was REALLY agressive. Abit over the top as some one could have gotten hurt (Luckily it was only a bike this time), but it is racing. Do I think Marvin could have made a cleaner pass? Ofcourse! My thought goes to Marvin though, why take some one out, if they made a clean pass on you. Like RC and Reed back in 2003. They had a good battle but they never took any one out. A good clean race.
Tomac’s idea really is the best solution, let officials decide what’s right and wrong and deduct championship points not a $5,000 fine. In this case Marv gave tomac no space to brake and caused a crash that coulda caused a dnf or injury, Marc knew there would be heavy contact. It was dirty, and other guys have done dirty moves too but officials should draw lines and define rules and penalties. This really just looked like marv getting frustrated that Eli is just way faster, Eli absolutely turned on the jets and blew by.
I can't believe people are still throwing a huge fit over this. Was it a clean pass? no, do I think it was an intentional move to put Eli on the ground? No, not exactly. At the end of the day, I think it was just a really aggressive pass for a race win. If you look back through Motocross, and Supercross history you'll see plenty of riders doing some pretty sketchy things. But to personally threaten Marvin on his social media? Which was rampant after that race, that's just ridiculous and gives Motocross, and Supercross fans a really bad rap in my opinion. Personally, I'm a fan of both Eli, and Marvin. And I look forward to meeting them both at Springcreek this weekend.
Rewind, In other words a way to perpetuate the controversy of something that happened months ago. The way I see it, Musquin cut the track aiming straight for the front tire. Now I also feel that there was not only a lot of pressure on him to make this move in terms of leading the race for so many laps, but that same message would have been echoed at the team trailer. Could have been entitlement, could have been the level of pressure, could have been simply him wrongly executing what he had in mind while still making it work, either way in my eyes the loss of respect wasn't worth the win. As far as Tomac and Webb is concerned, the counter argument to that is that Webb did cross into Tomac's line in an extremely dangerous part of the track (could have been wrapped around a metal pole). Now you can keep making arguments back an forth looking back in history as far as you want, but I don't consider either of the two riders dirty. Musquin so far has learned his lesson, although the controversy is usually a matter of which rider a person likes more. Yup, I just accused this video of trying to perpetuate the controversy of months old event only to feed into it myself. Was it by design, or was it the simple nature of wanting to share my thoughts to people who don't give two shit? We may never know.
Marvin wanted to block pass him and like Marvin said he cutt into another rut you can see riders jump and block pass them and tomac just cut short Marvin didn’t expect him to cut
Musquin didn’t mean it you can tell, Tomac looked like he was going for 1 rut further out at his speed and if he did all would be fine plus musquin did try to fix his mistake because he was on the break the whole time on the ground until contact, my point is it was an accident and a bad decision making on both parts plus barcia ran into the bike when it was down which was dog as
It bothers me that people cant see that this was clearly not intentional. Musquin is not my favorite but he does not deserve the hate, hes a good rider.
Racing is racing right? Why are we drawing a line? It wasn’t clean but for the win and the crowd a win is a win. Nice ride by both tho. Both are great riders and I’m sure we will see more battles in the near future
I’m on the fence about it being dirty or not. I won’t argue if it was dirty or not but I don’t like the way tomac handled it. He has a right to be upset yes but for him to call out Marvin like that. Tomac tried to do the same thing to Dungey but dungey was able to avoid it. It’s for a championship so idk where you draw the line but there’s 2 sides to every story
I don't know why other fans don't support Marvin, but I know why I don't... and it has nothing to do with his country of origin. I've personally watched him over the years consistently cross jump other riders (pros and amateurs) at practice tracks. It's rude, sketchy, and completely unnecessary on a practice day.
pretty sure he's over it, hopefully musquin enjoyed the red plate while he had it for a weekend. When this is what you do for a living and someone goes dirty to try to take a win away from you, regardless of if its allowed or not you'd be upset if you happened to you to.
There is a difference between a block pass, where you take away someone else's line, and actually just careening into them. And this whole "it was for the win" is hilarious -- when you T-bone someone like that, you could make an argument that it's always "for the win" because you've essentially eliminated them from a chance a winning. The AMA used to penalize this type of riding, but I guess those days are gone.
I'm not a huge fan of Musquin but it's absolute garbage the way the fans treated him! It's embarrassing, this dude gave up a very promising career and left his home, his country, and even his continent to come here and race in the US and this is how fans act! I never heard a whole stadium boo when Tomac slammed dungey with dirty passes multiple times. Racing is racing and if Tomac wouldn't have left the door open in Foxboro he wouldn't have got taken out.
lol this is what tomac wanted to do to dungey but instead just held him up, this is nothing like it.stop it where tomac enters the corner you will see tomacs in the lowest rut and musquins heading for the top of the corner.but hey its racing and tomac was un injured which is what matters
and that's why so many people hate new Marvin?. He's not a clean rider. You look at all the passes from the 2017 season. When Tomac passed Dungey, every single black class was clean, every single one Maga is not a dirty rider, he just comes in and takes them out. That is the dirtiest block passes i've seen.
Did we all forget when Eli took out cooper Webb and said welcome to the 450 class, and that wasn’t even for a main win that was just for a heat race..... so Mr Eli..... welcome to the 450 class, marv did nothing wrong, if it was any other rider other than a Frenchman they would of said what an amazing come back for the win,
Dan Holmes Cooper was cross jumping Eli and Eli had had enough. They’ll both own up to what happened. Eli doesn’t go for takeouts just to go for takeouts. Eli races very clean.
Enzo Gau-Rinaldi He never cross-jumped either one of them. Roczen had zero complaints about Eli’s passes. Nor did Anderson, and both guys are vocal enough to say something if they thought Eli had done something like that. Eli came in on Roczen’s line on the face of the triple and probably didn’t even realize it. He’d been hitting all of those jumps the same way all night. Not to mention that’s not what cross-jumping is. Even my husband who reacted to it at first rewatched it and admitted that it wasn’t cross-jumping. Tomac and Roczen Race each other with respect, and they both have said so. Roczen had zero complaints about Eli after Arlington. And he did not T-bone Baggett. You need to watch that again. I’m not even sure you know what a T-bone really is if you think that was a T-bone. The move on Baggett was definitely a mistake on Eli’s part, and he openly admitted it. It was his fault and he said so. Go check his Instagram. He wasn’t going for a takeout on Baggett whatsoever. He was anticipating Baggett railing the berm but but Baggett cut down inside and by then Eli was already committed. It was an accident brought on by a rushed decision on Eli’s part. That’s it.
Hannah McKee Well I actually agree, I believe those questionable moves are bound to happen in this sport. But I think that there is a lot of hypocrisy when it comes to analysing it, and at the end of the day, the most liked rider gets clemensy or absolution whereas the less popular gets ton of shit for the same. I just wanted to point out it's unfair calling MM dirty if people let Tomac do the same moves. DF too said his move was a mistake and apologized, yet he recieved an unbelievable amount of hate. I'm french obviously and Iately I've been having a bit of trouble discerning nationalism from xenophobia in the -sometimes- hysteric behaviour of US fans.
Enzo Gau-Rinaldi I’m not a MM25 fan in the slightest but I agree that he’s not a dirty rider whatsoever. What happened between him and Tomac in 2018 was bad on Marvin’s part but I found it more upsetting that he couldn’t own up to it. Either say you went for the takeout to get the win or that you made a bad call that planned out badly (the likely scenario). Marvin wouldn’t give a straight answer and at first even tried to blame the collision on Tomac saying he wasn’t in the rut, which was bs. Having said that, Marvin is not a dirty rider at all and the abuse he received from fans all the way through outdoors was ridiculous. Sometimes fans are ridiculous. As for DF, that was obviously another bad call on Dylan’s part but like you said he did own up to his mistake pretty quickly and has long since apologized to Craig. The boos he’s still getting are just stupid. The hypocrisy of people calling him dirty for every pass he’s made since then is laughable. His passes have been clean racing passes since that incident, even Forkner has said so. I like Ferrandis and I hope he takes the West title again. I agree with you about some American fans. The nationalism is far more rampant than I ever would have thought and as an American I find it disgusting and, quite frankly, embarrassing. Trust me when I say not all of us are like that, I wouldn’t even say the majority. It’s just that the stupidest tend to be the loudest.
I’m huge Tomac fan,but honestly.....I don’t think Musquin did this pass on purpose.Looks like he was expecting Eli to go one or two lines more wide and when he didn’t,wasn’t enough space to get it clean right there
Musquin was regularly booed in The GPs for exactly the same and less than fair riding. It is nothing new to him. He is arrogant and according to himself beyond reproach. On the other hand he is fast and skilled and the many GPs I saw him at in Europe never failed to be one of the fastest out there. Only trouble is his ability to piss people off seems to have now even got to his own countries Motorcycle federation with them now not picking there fastest rider for the 2018 MXDN. I suspect the person he is within motocross and his ability to rub many up the wrong way has a lot to do with it.
Block passing happens. It is part of the sport. Eli does it very often. In this case that was a dirty ass collision. Marvin used Eli and his bike as a brake. Used him like bowling bumpers.
Lol it's obvious that musqin trys to attack back, it's the last lap, tomac cut the corner but musqin was right there, tomac should have known this, look at Ken roczen in situations like this he always runs the high line cause he know the other rider is possible coming into the inside of the corner to do a block pass, in that situation there are two possibilities, first avoid to crash and run the high line, try to pass at another spot, or be A LLLOT faster, which tomac was not cause if he were, this situation wouldn't happen No blame on musquin, that was just racing for the win.
They ALL do that lol, why this has to be a drama with Musquin ??? ALL OF THEM, Tomac included did turn into someone brutally (several times) just to take his rank, this ain't new.
That wasn't a pass. He deliberately slammed into him. It was dirty and doesn't belong in racing. But if that's the only way you can win and they let you, go for it. Dirtbag. 👍 Btw, imagine everyone riding like that, people would start fighting all the time. If they didn't get injured.
Part of the sport, smashing each other tomac said it himself on Moto 4 the movie
Impressed with how Eli has kept a cool head at this incident and moving forward. Continues to pass Marv cleanly even after this. 😂😂 Must piss off Marv big time! Much respect for Eli. Marvin lucky he is not a hot head like Peick. Else he would be screwed every round 😂😂
it was for the win Tomac has done the same thing before
jake02cute when. The only other time he did anything dirty was in the 250’s against Wilson but Wilson was doing it to him way more
@@mclovin9234 He just did on Bagget in Atlanta yesterday ahah
Enzo Gau-Rinaldi olay and he admitted that it was a complete mistake and he didn’t mean for it to happen
@@jake02cute No Sorry , have never seen him put his front wheel straight into anyone! Dont agree? Show me where he literally blasted someone! Marvin steered right for him and for his luck even as he said worked out for him. Difference between turning in and making contact and aiming bullseye!
People are very inconsistent when it comes to Musquin. Was his move on Tomac dirty? yes. Has Tomac done things that are also dirty? yes. Has Anderson? yes. Has Barcia? yes. Have all sorts of other riders that are not hated? yes.
Plenty of riders have done things like this and not many people hate them as much as they hate Musquin. I think a big part of it is that hes not American, also because there is a very large group of people that praise Tomac like hes some sort of god who does no wrong. I like Tomac, I also like Musquin, they are both far ahead of many other riders in terms of their ability's and talent.
Another inconsistency is when Musquin pulled over for Dungey (I understand why team orders are a thing but in my opinion that looked far worse on Musquin than hiting Tomac did) everyone was saying hes spineless and needed to be more aggressive, which was somewhat true, he did need to become aggressive. Now every time he does anything aggressive he gets shit for it (I mean more than just the incident with Tomac)
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I agree with you 100% I won't even get into this anymore or i'll be typing for days, I'll just say as much as i love both Eli and Marvin, Marv should have just owned up to it better and not try and put the blame on Eli, or bring Grant and Jason into what happened. It's over now they both have moved on from it.
Very true.
Exactly, 100% agreed
I think its a personality think. I love tomacs attitude. Just as much as I love Roczen's attitude about racing. But Marv doesn't have that heart (in my opinion) that some other guys do. I'm sure Marv has the heart of the other guys, but it doesn't reflect in his personality IMHO. Any rider I root for does no wrong, just as a friend at local races. Plus, Tomac is my hometown hero as I'm from CO, I wanna see him beat everyone (Even Herlings, who is also a very cool and confident GP rider)
Never saw that the crowd was throwing stuff to Musquin on 2:23
Incredible.
Good upload, loved seeing the ‘behind the scenes’ footage. Thanks
If it was the other way around everybody would have say fantastic! We don’t see musquin doing hard move often so for one time give us a break. When you see Anderson, barcia or other rider with the same aggressive style everybody find that amazing... this is a race for the win in 450 class and plus Marvin was still in the loop for the title... nothing to cry about! Let’s move one!
That was the most civilized argument I’ve ever seen both guys had point and where dabating no yelling causing ect this is how the spot should be
Nothing was getting acrossed to each other and both came off soft.
Eli Tomac and Marvin musquin are the next rivalry for supercross
Personally I find it funny anderson couldn't say nothing because he did that too musquin yet no one cared but as soon as tomac gets it like he did to Webb all hell breaks loose
Aaron Machado Webb was cross jumping if you actually look into why he did it. So back the fuck up. If you got cross jumped you would do the same thing. And tomac passed him as clean as you can get the lap before. Musquin couldn’t pass him clean so therefore he took him out. As were seeing in outdoors nobody can take on . Only thing that keeps him from dominating is a bike problem.
Zach Marcy I was giving examples and there was many more examples this season of the same thing. Most of which happening to musquin
Aaron Machado but to pass a guy that just passed you clean? It’s a chicken shit move. It’s different if tomac cleaned him out the week before. But tomac never gets aggressive unless someone is with him before. As we saw with dean Wilson in the 250 class.
Aaron Machado you agree with alessis move on tickle a few years ago too don’t you?
Zach Marcy all I was responding too was the people who were calling musquin a cheat for doing it once when it has happened to him way more often
Eli Tomac best riders in the world
...I'm just sitting over here chillin'
had me cracking up
If you look again at that in slow mo, Tomac turns in and Musquin comes inside hot off the jump, 50/50 on this one, just good hard racing.
BS Frenchies lover!
Ladies and gentlemen I believe we have our next Stewart vs Reed! Plus Kenny’s getting better and better every week it’s going to be a great season
Lol people are still mad about this 😂. Its racing, it has happened before and will happen again
Yeah let's just aim for their front wheel and slam them from the side...demolition derby right?
It was definitely dirty but take a look at this season😳
@Andre Garcia that's what I thought
The issue I have is musquin was nervous and scared like he KNEW he went too far. Atleast Barcia stands by his bumping.
Let's be honest... I'm huge Tomac fan but this was for win.Tomac would do same freaking thing.
Eli Tomac is the best Eli if you see this just know that I look up to you and fear is only in the mind I love you I cant wait till next month when I get my own dirt bike Eli is my hero #team green #team Eli
Marv is usually a stand-up guy but he ran over Tomac on purpose. What suprized me most was Copper Web, & Marv trying to take each other out; there lucky they both didn't get hurt, & Tomac taking over as the points leader.
I can watch this over and over 😂
Tomac is the bestttt
Is no one going to talk about how Anderson was just watching the Eli v musquin battle during the press conference
😂😂😂
Tomac must get as good as he gives
Tomac power
Marv said it best...if it were him it wouldnt be a problem. Real talk.
Clint Burgamy but it wasn't him because tomac wouldn't do it so🤷🏽♂️.
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Go eli Tomac
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I know I’m a couple years late but I saw this live and was just going through some older SX vids and stumbled on this again, so if anyone is willing to listen, here’s my take:
Yes, rubbing is part of racing. You have to be aggressive to be successful. However, at least in my mind, there’s some unwritten rules on what constitutes dirty vs non-dirty and it’s largely based on race scenario. If a guy like Tomac starts back in the pack and has to blow by a bunch of slower riders to get to the front, he needs to do whatever he can to make passes. That means if a slower guy is holding him up, by all means go inside and hit him. Generally, if someone is faster than someone else on a given night and it’s obvious but the slower rider is riding a wide bike, I’d say it’s acceptable for the faster rider to be as aggressive as need be. However, in a situation like this, Musquin just takes a cheap shot. Tomac was obviously faster than him this race (like most races) and passed him clean. Marvin didn’t have a legitimate claim to a win in this race. The only way he could get Tomac back was by taking him down,
Which I think is lame. When two guys are at the top of their game and a battle ends up in one guy getting taken out, it’s just not cool, especially when the guy on the dirt had the speed to win. That’s just my view
The thing that makes me mad is that everyone treats Tomac like he is Jesus while musquin gets a lot of hate (probably because he's not American imo) Everyone makes dirty passes but when musquin does it he gets so much hate. Nobody made this big a deal over tomac taking out webb, or tomac taking out bagget. It's kind of one sided just because he's a majoritys favorite
Anderson is awesome
It still pisses me off when he brings up Josh Grant in Vegas. Grant did absolutely nothing.
Leland for real, all grant did was pass Tomac and Dungey when Tomac blocked Dungey in the turn
Leland no crap just got ahead of them, and that was last year aka the past, different season new race and Marve was pissed et3 tracked his ass down and cleanly passed his ass and the only was was for him to take out tomac, bad cheap shot
Ricky Davis exactly dude, spot on
No grant definitely waited at the finish line jump for Tomac. But the kawi boys raced clean all year until marv pulled over for dungey. Then they said Fuck it game on. Fast forward two years and savatgy pulled over for Tomac to win a million. It is a little different though because mec isn't a championship points round. Kinda a fun race to get back in the swing of thing.
@@crcmoto3751 its different when its in your favor
It sucks getting knocked out like that, but its racing. It happens in this sport. It's all part of what we love about this sport. There will be miscalculations about exactly where you put your front tire or in this case how hard you go into someone. It's not the first time a rider took out another rider. I think Eli kinda kept a cool head about it but cried about it in the press interview.
Musquin is a fantastic MX champion, very technical with great fundamentals; he literally wrote the book on how a featherweight rider can tame a monster bike (±70 Hp / 200 lbs with more torque than a tow truck) with ease and finesse, pick the best lines and always find the best throttle and gears sweet spot; but all the American chauvinist rabid fans can do is b!tch about how he once closed the door on Tomac. Just enjoy the bliss of seeing how good and smooth he rides. Your patriotic hatred makes you miss dirt riding at its best.
nice
I love this life
I like how Eli can do a dirty pass on Dungey multiple times in one race but if Marvin does 1 against him he complaines for the rest of the day
You goofball. That was for the entire championship. And Dungy was expecting and ready for it. That’s why he’s a champ. He and Tomac knew what had to be done in order to go for all the marbles that night. This video, Marv has done plenty of dirty shit to Tomac and others for years and try’s to act like the good guy. This ain’t MXGP dude. Blasting people for no reason is dumb and bad for business and racing in general. Tomac is the furthest thing from “dirty” riding but is no punk to dishing it back. “What comes around goes around” 🤷🏻♂️
I agree, that pass was over the line !
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it was for the win. das racin'.
ET3. Way to go 👏
That's racing.
Tomac is so salty😂
I just think its funny how Osborne got in trouble for his pass, which was for the championship, and in all honesty wasn't as cheap as that one, yhey just got a little hooked up. I wanted savatgy to win that year but admitted that with Osbornes hard charge and slightly a little over the edge pass was understandable. Musquin is very good, but doesn't get a lot of wins so when he saw that he was getting straight up beat, he threw a tantrum on the track. I still think that some penalty should have been added tho.
The difference between ET being a real aggressive rider is he passes because he's faster Marv will take you out because he's slower and many other do the same
you draw the line at the finish line Eli...yes it was aggressive but rubbins racin right?
I see it from both point of views. Yes, it was REALLY agressive. Abit over the top as some one could have gotten hurt (Luckily it was only a bike this time), but it is racing. Do I think Marvin could have made a cleaner pass? Ofcourse! My thought goes to Marvin though, why take some one out, if they made a clean pass on you. Like RC and Reed back in 2003. They had a good battle but they never took any one out. A good clean race.
Tomac’s idea really is the best solution, let officials decide what’s right and wrong and deduct championship points not a $5,000 fine. In this case Marv gave tomac no space to brake and caused a crash that coulda caused a dnf or injury, Marc knew there would be heavy contact. It was dirty, and other guys have done dirty moves too but officials should draw lines and define rules and penalties. This really just looked like marv getting frustrated that Eli is just way faster, Eli absolutely turned on the jets and blew by.
Who else got confused with the monster logo on Musquin jersey
I can't believe people are still throwing a huge fit over this. Was it a clean pass? no, do I think it was an intentional move to put Eli on the ground? No, not exactly. At the end of the day, I think it was just a really aggressive pass for a race win. If you look back through Motocross, and Supercross history you'll see plenty of riders doing some pretty sketchy things. But to personally threaten Marvin on his social media? Which was rampant after that race, that's just ridiculous and gives Motocross, and Supercross fans a really bad rap in my opinion. Personally, I'm a fan of both Eli, and Marvin. And I look forward to meeting them both at Springcreek this weekend.
best thing is tomac always passes clean and wastes them ha ha
Go get him Eli
I'm triggered again, thanks
When are they going to announce the 2019 monster energy supercross season schedule
Already have look it up
Rewind, In other words a way to perpetuate the controversy of something that happened months ago. The way I see it, Musquin cut the track aiming straight for the front tire. Now I also feel that there was not only a lot of pressure on him to make this move in terms of leading the race for so many laps, but that same message would have been echoed at the team trailer. Could have been entitlement, could have been the level of pressure, could have been simply him wrongly executing what he had in mind while still making it work, either way in my eyes the loss of respect wasn't worth the win. As far as Tomac and Webb is concerned, the counter argument to that is that Webb did cross into Tomac's line in an extremely dangerous part of the track (could have been wrapped around a metal pole). Now you can keep making arguments back an forth looking back in history as far as you want, but I don't consider either of the two riders dirty. Musquin so far has learned his lesson, although the controversy is usually a matter of which rider a person likes more.
Yup, I just accused this video of trying to perpetuate the controversy of months old event only to feed into it myself. Was it by design, or was it the simple nature of wanting to share my thoughts to people who don't give two shit? We may never know.
It was a t-boning. Dirty pool.
Marvin wanted to block pass him and like Marvin said he cutt into another rut you can see riders jump and block pass them and tomac just cut short Marvin didn’t expect him to cut
Tomac sempre faz isso hoje foi vítima kkk
Musquin didn’t mean it you can tell, Tomac looked like he was going for 1 rut further out at his speed and if he did all would be fine plus musquin did try to fix his mistake because he was on the break the whole time on the ground until contact, my point is it was an accident and a bad decision making on both parts plus barcia ran into the bike when it was down which was dog as
It bothers me that people cant see that this was clearly not intentional. Musquin is not my favorite but he does not deserve the hate, hes a good rider.
Racing is racing right? Why are we drawing a line? It wasn’t clean but for the win and the crowd a win is a win. Nice ride by both tho. Both are great riders and I’m sure we will see more battles in the near future
marvs right If it was opposite nobody would care so good job marv
Only 2 riders I've actually hated watching in motocross. Musquin and Alessi
It’s motocross this happens. This sport is aggressive as hell
mamen anderson
Cross jumping Marve
There should have a 1v1 on shipment to settle it
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
I’m on the fence about it being dirty or not. I won’t argue if it was dirty or not but I don’t like the way tomac handled it. He has a right to be upset yes but for him to call out Marvin like that. Tomac tried to do the same thing to Dungey but dungey was able to avoid it. It’s for a championship so idk where you draw the line but there’s 2 sides to every story
Ganar de esa forma es antideportivo es hacer trampa.... Tomac es el ganador....
I don't know why other fans don't support Marvin, but I know why I don't... and it has nothing to do with his country of origin. I've personally watched him over the years consistently cross jump other riders (pros and amateurs) at practice tracks. It's rude, sketchy, and completely unnecessary on a practice day.
Get over it tomac racing is racing
pretty sure he's over it, hopefully musquin enjoyed the red plate while he had it for a weekend. When this is what you do for a living and someone goes dirty to try to take a win away from you, regardless of if its allowed or not you'd be upset if you happened to you to.
Marvin vs Eli I think Marvin would win poor tomac though
“Main rut”
You know Eli wanted to catch Marv outside later and kick his ass
There is a difference between a block pass, where you take away someone else's line, and actually just careening into them. And this whole "it was for the win" is hilarious -- when you T-bone someone like that, you could make an argument that it's always "for the win" because you've essentially eliminated them from a chance a winning. The AMA used to penalize this type of riding, but I guess those days are gone.
Didn’t think the European was ready to scrap but he fucked Eli up 😂😂
USA USA USA
Damn 🐸
That’s racing Tomac is being a baby😬
Musquin your my favourite monster energy rider
motocross mad He rides for RedBull...
Fuck you are stupid lol
I like your grammar.
I'm not a huge fan of Musquin but it's absolute garbage the way the fans treated him! It's embarrassing, this dude gave up a very promising career and left his home, his country, and even his continent to come here and race in the US and this is how fans act! I never heard a whole stadium boo when Tomac slammed dungey with dirty passes multiple times. Racing is racing and if Tomac wouldn't have left the door open in Foxboro he wouldn't have got taken out.
What I saw from Tomac were clean block passes, not T-Bones.
lol this is what tomac wanted to do to dungey but instead just held him up, this is nothing like it.stop it where tomac enters the corner you will see tomacs in the lowest rut and musquins heading for the top of the corner.but hey its racing and tomac was un injured which is what matters
DaWhite EazyE I agree 👍
and that's why so many people hate new Marvin?. He's not a clean rider. You look at all the passes from the 2017 season. When Tomac passed Dungey, every single black class was clean, every single one Maga is not a dirty rider, he just comes in and takes them out. That is the dirtiest block passes i've seen.
Imagine if you will.....someone doing that to Bob Hannah
Did we all forget when Eli took out cooper Webb and said welcome to the 450 class, and that wasn’t even for a main win that was just for a heat race..... so Mr Eli..... welcome to the 450 class, marv did nothing wrong, if it was any other rider other than a Frenchman they would of said what an amazing come back for the win,
Dan Holmes Cooper was cross jumping Eli and Eli had had enough. They’ll both own up to what happened. Eli doesn’t go for takeouts just to go for takeouts. Eli races very clean.
@@hannahmckee5592 What about cross jumping Anderson and Roczen in Arlington last week? And T bone on Bagget in Atlanta yesterday ?
Enzo Gau-Rinaldi He never cross-jumped either one of them. Roczen had zero complaints about Eli’s passes. Nor did Anderson, and both guys are vocal enough to say something if they thought Eli had done something like that. Eli came in on Roczen’s line on the face of the triple and probably didn’t even realize it. He’d been hitting all of those jumps the same way all night. Not to mention that’s not what cross-jumping is. Even my husband who reacted to it at first rewatched it and admitted that it wasn’t cross-jumping. Tomac and Roczen Race each other with respect, and they both have said so. Roczen had zero complaints about Eli after Arlington.
And he did not T-bone Baggett. You need to watch that again. I’m not even sure you know what a T-bone really is if you think that was a T-bone. The move on Baggett was definitely a mistake on Eli’s part, and he openly admitted it. It was his fault and he said so. Go check his Instagram. He wasn’t going for a takeout on Baggett whatsoever. He was anticipating Baggett railing the berm but but Baggett cut down inside and by then Eli was already committed. It was an accident brought on by a rushed decision on Eli’s part. That’s it.
Hannah McKee Well I actually agree, I believe those questionable moves are bound to happen in this sport. But I think that there is a lot of hypocrisy when it comes to analysing it, and at the end of the day, the most liked rider gets clemensy or absolution whereas the less popular gets ton of shit for the same. I just wanted to point out it's unfair calling MM dirty if people let Tomac do the same moves. DF too said his move was a mistake and apologized, yet he recieved an unbelievable amount of hate. I'm french obviously and Iately I've been having a bit of trouble discerning nationalism from xenophobia in the -sometimes- hysteric behaviour of US fans.
Enzo Gau-Rinaldi I’m not a MM25 fan in the slightest but I agree that he’s not a dirty rider whatsoever. What happened between him and Tomac in 2018 was bad on Marvin’s part but I found it more upsetting that he couldn’t own up to it. Either say you went for the takeout to get the win or that you made a bad call that planned out badly (the likely scenario). Marvin wouldn’t give a straight answer and at first even tried to blame the collision on Tomac saying he wasn’t in the rut, which was bs. Having said that, Marvin is not a dirty rider at all and the abuse he received from fans all the way through outdoors was ridiculous. Sometimes fans are ridiculous. As for DF, that was obviously another bad call on Dylan’s part but like you said he did own up to his mistake pretty quickly and has long since apologized to Craig. The boos he’s still getting are just stupid. The hypocrisy of people calling him dirty for every pass he’s made since then is laughable. His passes have been clean racing passes since that incident, even Forkner has said so. I like Ferrandis and I hope he takes the West title again. I agree with you about some American fans. The nationalism is far more rampant than I ever would have thought and as an American I find it disgusting and, quite frankly, embarrassing. Trust me when I say not all of us are like that, I wouldn’t even say the majority. It’s just that the stupidest tend to be the loudest.
I’m huge Tomac fan,but honestly.....I don’t think Musquin did this pass on purpose.Looks like he was expecting Eli to go one or two lines more wide and when he didn’t,wasn’t enough space to get it clean right there
Although I love Marvin, I do agree 100% with Eli. It was not even a block pass, it was a dirty pass... Shame....
moose kin has a point because if tomass did that there would have been no problem
people.say ktm are cheap when a kawi cant even take a ktm hit😂😭
Hi Eli to actually
Musquin was regularly booed in The GPs for exactly the same and less than fair riding. It is nothing new to him. He is arrogant and according to himself beyond reproach. On the other hand he is fast and skilled and the many GPs I saw him at in Europe never failed to be one of the fastest out there. Only trouble is his ability to piss people off seems to have now even got to his own countries Motorcycle federation with them now not picking there fastest rider for the 2018 MXDN. I suspect the person he is within motocross and his ability to rub many up the wrong way has a lot to do with it.
ohh come on Eli maybe Marvin did'nt really mean that
I don't like the guys who is angry on musquin
They don't know he is the first french rider to win supercross since 2002
Supercross Rewind? More like showing one instance of an otherwise great season! Cmon @Monster Energy Supercross, you are better than this
don't apologize anymore. it was for the win. i remember josh grant in las vagas. good race Marvin.
CB3
Block passing happens. It is part of the sport. Eli does it very often. In this case that was a dirty ass collision. Marvin used Eli and his bike as a brake. Used him like bowling bumpers.
Musquin is over now anyway
Lol it's obvious that musqin trys to attack back, it's the last lap, tomac cut the corner but musqin was right there, tomac should have known this, look at Ken roczen in situations like this he always runs the high line cause he know the other rider is possible coming into the inside of the corner to do a block pass, in that situation there are two possibilities, first avoid to crash and run the high line, try to pass at another spot, or be A LLLOT faster, which tomac was not cause if he were, this situation wouldn't happen
No blame on musquin, that was just racing for the win.
They ALL do that lol, why this has to be a drama with Musquin ???
ALL OF THEM, Tomac included did turn into someone brutally (several times) just to take his rank, this ain't new.
the only thing i don´t like about marv is the race fix in 2017 and sure eli did it in the monster cup but that is not for a championship
This just goes to show that nobody can pass Tomac without totally runing into him.
You guys still trying to hype this up? Move on already.
anything for the ratings, even at Marv's expense
Mind ya damn business
If you boo-ed Marvin for making that pass just stop watching dude this sport ain't for you
That wasn't a pass. He deliberately slammed into him. It was dirty and doesn't belong in racing. But if that's the only way you can win and they let you, go for it. Dirtbag. 👍 Btw, imagine everyone riding like that, people would start fighting all the time. If they didn't get injured.
They all do that sometimes, it was fair.. Tomac did not even touch Musquin.