Focke Wulf Fw-190 A8 DCS and More
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- Опубліковано 5 лют 2025
- I want to talk about the 190 A8 in DCS and in real life. I think the WW2 side of DCS is overlooked and I think the Fw 190s are overlooked in the DCS community, both the Anton and the Dora.
Neither are great dogfighters, however if you want to "push the map" and have an effect on the simulated war, they are very effective because they can hunt and kill enemy planes and in the case of the Anton, it's also great at ground attack.
I'll talk about take off, ground attack, dogfighting, the Horrido single player campaign and more, all while flying a mission on a mulitplayer server deep into enemy territory. I hope you like it.
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Please don’t be shy about posting your adventures in DCS. It’s a different kind of video for you, to be sure, but it’s a fun one. Thanks!
Nice thing about sims, is they can give you an appreciation of things that will just get left out of the history books. A good sim can have a level of immersion where it's possible to get scared, or even better can make you panic. My favorite moments have been near midair collisions where it makes me *duck*. Books like Robert S Johnson's or Saburo Sakai's are great to read (highly recommended), but even the best book won't make you angry like when someone gets your wingman. If you feel like that in a game, you can get some sense of how powerful those sensations would be with real-world pucker factor and fear.
Yees? Why we(i) play 'em - since the C64..Amiga days 😲
AND it gives you a real appreciation for certain technological developments, ie german fighters having a single "accelerator" lever
@@koekiejam18 This is so true. I've found that DCS has given me even more respect for the engineers that considered the human factors. The difference in my performance when I am working with my aircraft instead of fighting it, is night and day.
I'm generally not a fan of watching much of any simulation or game play footage, however with Greg's commentary during his flights that is completely the opposite! I enjoy this style of Greg DCS video nearly as much as the unparalleled in depth topic videos 👍 Looking forward to Greg dropping a mixed loadoat of more DCS ordnance mixed with historical aviation knowledge bombs 😉👍
Same here
In DCS you fly...In all other simulators, you play 😉
Loved listening to your commentary as you flew and fought. It made your deep knowledge of WW2 aircraft come alive. I’d like to see more of these.
Very interesting. As is often the case, there's a lot more going on than the casual viewer expects - a mission is not only physically taxing (in real life, at least), it's mentally taxing, trying to remember all the relevant details. Heading, ammo supply, fuel situation, damage assessment, what works against your opponent in a dogfight, or even a bomber attack, etc., plus fly the damn plane.
Good point Ray. That's why I wanted to show an entire mission, mistakes were made, but in the end I got it done.
Started flying the 190 this week in DCS and enjoying your video with a cup of coffee this morning! Thanks for putting the time in, I really enjoy these!
Ohhh DCS. What a love hate relationship I have with you. Always so near, yet so far away! The one thing I always find amazing is because of how realistic these aircraft are in DCS that they become even better, or should I say understandable in VR vs flat screen. Just last night I was flying with my squad mates in P 47's. One was talking to the other (both flat screeners) about how they couldn't understand why a certain temp gauge was not centred at the 12 O'clock position but rather it is off set to the 1-2 O'clock position. When I looked at it in VR the reason was staring me in the face, due to my head position within the cockpit the outer part of the instrument bezel created a blind spot at the 12 position. VR does need to improve, but it does really help one understand the cockpits a little more. Cheers for another great Vid.
Going back in time, FW190A8 was also one of planes in Chuck Yeager's Air Combat simulator/game from 1991 and I spent huge amount of time playing that game back in i286 times :D
Aww, I don’t remember the FW…. Wait…I had “Chuck Yeager’s Advanced Flight Trainer”…not the combat sim, maybe that’s it? If not, I just missed it completely…
Hi Greg, thanks for the shoutout as well as for this informative video. Big fan of your channel!
Thanks, I just got the update that you added a pair of Dora missions to the package at no charge. That's very nice of you and I plan to fly them today as I'm snowed in at the moment.
Basically my only critism of DCS is the lack of planeset consistency. Like you said the modelling of the planes is nice but then you have planes from variants from a too great time span. A very late stang, a K-4, a early A-8. and all that.
I just wish that DCS would be time frame specific. A G-6 with optional MW50 would have been great and earlier P-51D and such.
DCS could fill such a nice niche (or could fill it way better) (This comment was written as i reached 22mins)
so True. We should be able to write missions or restrict servers to much tighter time periods. So, we get the K4 but also a Spit XIV. We get the P51D but it would be great to have the B model which was the real workhorse and fly it against 109F and G. The most obvious option for me would be a Battle of Britain time period as there were so few plane types involved relative to post 43 when the USAAF got involved.
Hi Sheriff. I'm always glad to see you here. I agree with you about the plane set. I want to add that the maps don't make a lot of sense for the plane set either. It's unlikely that Doras and K4s spent much time over the Channel or Normandy. The good news is that it's not a huge problem, it could all be solved with just different versions of the planes we already have, 109G6, 190A5, P-47 D-10, then we would have 1943 covered pretty well and early 44' which would make more sense for the maps. DCS is getting better and better so I have hopes it will go in this direction.
WW2 in DCS is still an extra from the jets, and the helos and naval ops are the unique feature of the sim, warbirds needs time, I love DCS, but I feel exactly like you, maybe in a few more years it will grow up. The environment, variety and consistence of each time period is a special stamp in IL2.
Thank you for sharing your DCS missions with us your aircraft systems knowledge and explanation are especially appreciated. Those are the things I believe make this unique and entertaining.
You're right about the horrido campaign, having a blast completing it ATM! I think I saw some of his videos, which are great, and it seems it's a one man operation! This guy really do us WW2 dcs users a favor with his campaigns! Especially when, like me, your ping often prevents from flying mp!
It may be a one man show, in any case, Reflected puts a lot of work into these campaigns.
@@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles Yes they are amazing! Are you going to do the next one for the mosquito? I'd love to see the same kind of video but on the mossie!
I can't compliment you enough. I learned more about flight, tactics and planes watching your content than ever. Being ex-Airborne I know a lot more about jumping than Flying. LMAO. Seriously, thank you so much this is the best content I have ever seen. I have always appreciated your Plane content. But this content is "Omage" to our History. I understand the Pilot point of view so much better. Reading about a "Scissors'" maneuver, and seeing it in your video is absolutely priceless to me. So thank you very much. Best wishes' for you and your family.
Wow, thanks Rolland.
Excellent presentation - and I wholeheartedly agree more people need to give DCS WWII a try!
I love the 190, but man flying it is scary. That sinking feeling when a mustang runs you down and you know there's nothing you can really do to escape is the stuff of nightmares.
That's true, in the 190A I try pretty hard to avoid fights, of course that's function of the existing plane set. I'm hoping they add some late 43' stuff and the A5 version of the 190, then it will be competitive in air to air.
Evening Greg Thanks For This Episode 😊😀😎 I Appreciate All The Effort You Put Into Every Video 😊👍🏼
The fw 190 is such a beast... So smooth and well engineered. I love it
Thanks for another amazing video Greg. One thing I found interesting that wasn't mentioned in the video is if you look closely at 39:58 as you are passing under the P-47, you can just make out that his propeller is windmilling. I'm not certain if that was caused from him breaking his engine or if the fuel leak you gave him earlier on in the fight drained him of fuel, but either way it was a great kill.
Hope to see more DCS content from you in the future.
Good eye. I think his engine was quitting at that point, but I didn't notice it at the time.
Very enjoyable! Thank you! Great type of SIM videos! Your comments while flying are great.
Im 44 and remember spending a bunch of time playing air warrior in the mustang. Ive been playing sims since i was 8, really my favorite and pretty much first was f19 stealth fighter, by sid meyer and microprose. Id have lights low and pretend i was sneaking into pvo fortified north cape to take photos of subpens in murmanks..just a game smarter than blowing stuff up. Loved it so much that id like to remake it just for myself. Not a game that kids today may be interested in.
The commentary makes this surprisingly relaxing to have it running on the second monitor, but "too informative" to have it left in the background. Still "requires" some attention. Keep it up :>
Watching the level of detail that Greg goes into in eking out the best performance from his aircraft, I now realise why I ended up getting shot down so routinely by supposedly ‘inferior’ aircraft. That said, I always enjoyed the FW190A in IL-2 for boom and zooming.
I know its probably way more work, but I really like having the sim footage in the background while you talk about the history of the plane.
To be honest, when I clicked this I expected somewhat stale gameplay without a lecture, but I ended up getting a pretty good lecture along with unexpectedly interesting gameplay
Thanks, I'm glad to hear it.
Finally got the dcs a8 after salivating over it for some years, what a blast! Eager to try the campaign, then will see you over normandy! Thanks for the videos.
I'm glad to hear it. I'll be back on the Wolf Pack Server in October.
The FW190 may not be a good match for the US fighters, but it's pretty good for the Spit IX which is a Merlin 66 version from Mar 1943 onwards. However, your broader point about DCS needing a wider range of planes for better matching is definitely true.
I agree, Spits and bombers are one thing, but 47s and 51s are nearly impossible to beat with the current set up.
Love the 190, my favorite plane of all time. All of your videos on it have been pretty enlightening and have helped a lot in my understanding of how to use it effectively. Every variant is fascinating to me and wonderful to fly. Sort of feels like a spaceship compared to most of the other planes of the time. When I was a kid playing IL-2 1946 I would often break the landing gear on other planes when trying to land, so I started flying the 190s purely for the sturdy landing gear, but then I just fell in love with it. The way it looks, the wide array of weapons, the roll rate, and of course the incredible speed. Unlocked pretty much every variant in War Thunder, always relaxing to take the TA-152 out for some high altitude shenanigans. Can't really afford to buy the 190 in DCS, I play that for more modern stuff anyway, but I do enjoy seeing the footage and hearing your thought process, as most of it applies to any other sim.
I'm glad you like it Kilian. By the numbers my videos featuring DCS stuff are not popular, but I think it's a good way to get certain types of information out there.
I'd wait for a sale, it's amazing
Hello Greg! Just wanted to thank you for the content you are putting up, hidden gem of a channel as many others have already said, probably the best ww2 airplane content one could find! Also much enjoy the DCS content,I believe your knowledge and experience as an actual pilot, turns this type of content into semi documentaries,where we can get to better understand the finer details of the aircraft,and what pilots actually had to do and understand to overcome their opponents. I dont think the enemy respected each other as much in other armed branches as pilots did. I hope you will make more DCS flight videos when you get the chance to!
Hey Greg. Back in the day I played a very old WWII aircraft simulator. In it there was an incredible maneuverability difference between 109 G2 and 109 G6. The G6 could turn much less. Do you know anything about that? Can you bring any light to this? Or there was no such difference between G2 and G6 models? From what I remember G2 had 7.62mm guns in cowling and G6 had 12.7mm in cowling guns at that simulator.
Hi Roberto, thank you so much. The G6 is heavier than the G2 and the higher wing loading will hurt the turn performance a bit. I don't think the difference would be huge, but it is there.
@@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles ok thanks 👍
Great mission! The A8 is my favourite German module to fly, it’s just so well done.
I agree that the modern jets just feel like fighting pixels. I’d encourage you to play on enigmas Cold War for some earlier action in jets with only rear aspect heaters. You end up getting close and personal a lot more often.
Thanks Magpie. I have been on Enigma's server, but I find that the F5's are carrying all aspect sidewinders, plus there is an all seeing controller. Thus they can take out my Mig 19 by just vectoring to it and shooting before the merge. If it switches to rear aspect only, then I'll be there.
@@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles Hey yeah that was a big community issue for a while. The P5s on the Syria mission totally shut down anything the 19 could do .
So now they can only carry aim9bs on the caucuses mission and aim9ps on the Syria mission. Both are rear aspect only. It's been this way for maybe 6 months. The caucuses version is early cold war missiles and the Syria version is designed for later cold war.
I'd welcome you back! It will be interesting to see the changes as more fox1 capable cold war planes enter dcs.
It would be nice to hear your opinions on the mig19 ARU. Currently people use it manually in the long arm mode at lower speeds.
Just a random guy who's subscribed and watches all the time, especially whilst painting models for 40k, etc. It's pretty cool to see some gameplay footage from ya. With how busy your professional life and video research and editing must keep you it's neat to see ya chillin 😎👉
21:53
In the actual A8 you could not see any of the "interior" black around the armoured glass. The refraction of the thick glass made it so the front wind screen supports were all you could see. So the front view should be much better.
I sat in the Laatzen 190, the refraction thing isn't really true, neither is it for any other fighter, but what all Sims fail to take into account is the Bi-Ocular Nature of the average Human Creature. Especially with very close in framing it allows it to partially see through the framing, making it opaque in a way.
@@MyFabian94 For that you need VR - it really does help with visibility through (OK, past) cockpit frames and it also removes the fishbowl effect.
Refraction is taken into account, which is why the frame looks thinner than it actually is. Watch an earlier video of the DCS Anton to see the difference. they improved it.
@@MyFabian94 ua-cam.com/video/uCGsyjt5ANU/v-deo.html I dunno but it looks like it really is a thing.
Interesting stuff about the takeoff. My 1/5 scale RC 190A8 is awkward on takeoff. Has the usual taildragger warbird tendency to swing left so have to be quick and generous on the right rudder. Additionally though, my 190 has a distressing tenancy to pitch over, trip over its own gear doors and stick the prop into the ground. Gentle back pressure on the stick from the get go helps a lot but it's still tricky. I have to neutralise the elevator within a few metres to avoid lurching into the air without sufficient control. Great content Greg 😀
yes totally get it ,you make great points,one guy was trying to keep flying into the sun whilst trying to make his escape ,look forward to more Greg as i am sure many do too,flying the old planes for me like you said so much fun just than just seeing Pixels more close up action is more fun
Thanks for the information about the window cleaning mechanism. I fly a BF-109G in Microsoft Flight Simulator 2020, and I was baffled by the similar system they have in that aircraft. The labelling said something about fuel, and I thought it was my poor German which was at fault. I guess not! Danke!
Yay ! I live on the Channel Island of Jersey so nice to see us on the map Greg. I waved but I dont think you saw me 🤣
I have landed on the beach there several times in my shot up Dora, usually after attacking B-17s. It looks like a nice place.
@@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles quite a few Allied & German aircraft lost around our islands tbh. An interesting topic that has fsscinated me for years 👍
Greg, I love your content and appreciate all the research and work you put into making it informative and engaging. Have you considered duplicating this work on Rumble, Ultreon or some other platform? I ask because UA-cam frequently and irrationally will decide that content that was previously fine is now grounds for strikes. This has been happening more and more frequently with little to no explanation.
It wouldn’t surprise me at all if someone at UA-cam arbitrarily decides that your videos are “glorifying war and murder” or some such nonsense. I encourage yourself and other creators to diversify your platform exposure as much as possible so that you don’t lose your income and your fans don’t lose access to your videos on the whim of someone who gets easily triggered.
That's a really good point. I do try to avoid profanity and the topics that will result in strikes. I keep it mostly technical. However the overseers do retroactively make changes that kill off channels, so I do worry about that a bit. I don't know what the deals are on the other platforms, but I'll look into it.
Great video. I’ve just started DCS with the A8 module so I found this helpful as it’s quiet the step up from the IL2 version I was used to.
Thanks for your kind words. I'm glad the video helped.
Very informative and very enticing; I've thought of flight sims as a 'retirement' activity and your forays have locked me in. Of course saving enough to provide a flight sim rig AND food during actual retirement is whole new landscape.
Yup, don't get me started on the price of food.
Thanks Greg for another good video and the info on DCS.
I've flown IL2 a lot and enjoyed it. Now downloading DCS for the first time.. Might catch you up there..
that dog fight was bad ass you out skilled him and brought that novice down. bad ass
I've been convinced! I haven't built a computer in over 10 years now.. just too much work and no time for anything else, but I've started doing the research. Everything is crazy now. Solid state drives measured in terabytes, watercooling, overclocking, ect. My ocd won't allow me to build anything mid grade or lower so I need to figure out how to go about this without my wife castrating me for spending so much on a fancy rgb game machine.
I noticed you draining from both tanks. I usually empty the rear tank first which in theory should make the plane more stable in Dogfights without the extra weight behind the center of gravity.
Entertaining video really! And I agree the Anton needs its WEP boost
I do burn from both tanks at the same time. It has two advantages, first it's simply easier. Second, I want a slightly rearward CG for maneuverability. Yes I decrease the stability, but as they say, 2 out of 3 ain't bad.
Nice my favorite engineering nerd channel also plays DCS!
Haven’t tried any WW2 modules in DCS but I definitely love to fly the mig-21 and f-86 on the ECW server
Thank you for the video, Greg. Would love to see more F.I.A.T. videos.
Love the video! Finally put all those technical manual explanations to use!
Excellent video, comprehensive and entertaining. Thanks!
Thanks for the interesting vid, Greg. I enjoyed it immensely
25:00 I concur, the Anton is most likely the easiest warbird in DCS. I started out with the P-47 and just this past weekend started flying the Anton. I looked at the keybindings in Chuck's guide, skimmed the checklists and I was airborne in less than 10 minutes. Got my first two kills within 20 minutes and was headed to the pub within 40. In the same amount of time in the P-47, I might have got it started.
Thank you! Happy Sunday!!!
DCS WWII modules remind me of the Il-2 series that I used to play at the turn of the century. In the end (after about 10 years, 2009 2010) there were so many expansion packs and community add-ons, it was a huge game.
I "invested" a lot of time into it back in the day, but work and women eventually tool their toll.
Would you believe it, the game is still running, still popular, and still has an active community making mods and add-ons. Some things never change
I got the same feeling you did when I swtched from IL 2 to DCS.Unfortunately, this sim cannot run in VR, even with the best gear there is, it slows and it needs special tricks to lower the number of FPS you can get... Campaigns are great, amazing, but they can't run in VR either... Conclusion, the sim that wants to be the most immersive is the least one in VR because it keeps freezing and crashing under the load of computing it demands... This year a big performance update is announced. Either they managed it or the WWII sim of DCS won't grow for another while...
Great video and thanks for showing uf the A8 that I don't own yet. HAve a good day.
PS: Mostly because of perf and also lack of population, I went back to IL 2 on wich dynamic multiplayer campaigns work perfectly...
bye
I don't fly in VR, and for my purposes IL2 has several fatal flaws.
@@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles I know... Don't try, cause if you do you will not want to switch back to a screen and therefore won't want to fly in DCS anymore...Have fun... Maybe I'll come back to the wolfpack at some point and we fly together as Friends or Foes. Thx for your videos anyway. Are you going on with the Japanese planes or do you have other projects ?
I am going on with Japanese planes, but have some others I want to get up first.
This is interesting information. I own DCS P-51D and appreciate what they are doing. To be quite frank I gave up on the most popular simulator after the number of things that were theoretically done for “realism” but in practice were just crazy stacked up too high: Western Allies plane engines including injected types like the P-47 breaking after 6 minutes on WEP, .50s changed to be borderline useless. Final straw was the choice to overcomplicate Gloc modeling to the point you could not at any given movement in a fight know how many G you could pull. Of all things, War Thunder air sim turned out to be surprisingly decent, with a reasonable approach to engine limitations (based on temp, you have an advantage if you manually manage RPM, flaps, rads etc), a reasonable spotting model (small moving dots, zoom in to ident) and good enough flight modeling (Shaw works). Highly recommend to anyone for an experience that is more casual than DCS yet considerably more realistic than old Aces High was.
Yup, and the Soviet engines that can take unlimited abuse.
@@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles Charitably we could say maybe the coding is done by nerds who don’t realize 5 minute limit in manual=“Well maybe these 22 year old pilots full of testosterone won’t hotrod it ALL the time if we write that” 😁
Brings me back to the days of AcesHigh II. HUNDREDS of hours played! Udets Jg3 Black21
Greg i have been watching your videos for long time. I fly dcs ww2 and have learned a lot. This is truely excellent perhaps you could start a series with the more anton flying tips to defeat the enemy and perhaps the anton up against the spit , p51 etc demonstrating the better tactics to use. Then perhaps work in each aircraft fighting the others explaining the advantages they have and when / how to use it to defeat them. I do fly the 109 and dora but get shot down a lot. Im not good at knowing the strength of those aircraft and how to best turn the tables
I'm hopeful/wishful that there will eventually be earlier flavors of the 109, 190, Spitfire, etc. as well as a few other planes in DCS. With the Normandy and Channel maps I don't think it would be too great of a stretch to have some 1940-1942 Battle of France or Battle of Britain content, which has always been a favorite of mine. I sorely miss the Ju87 from games/sims I've played in the past. It's a really incredible technological time frame, where the gap of a year or two completely eclipses performance-- and that only 5 or 6 years separate something like the BF-109 E and the BF-109 K4... Anyway, I'd be game to see earlier P51s, P47's, Spitfire Mk5's, BF-109 F's and G's, and the FW-190 A's in their own corner :)
Couldn't agree more!
as a frenchman, don't worry about mangling the language, you'd be surprised how badly many of my compatriots speak our language lol
even amongst those of us a little more erudite, it is acknowledged that french is difficult to master!
Great work Greg, I really enjoy your channel and vids, keep it up!
Thanks Greg. I'm really surprised that ED has not yet done what you proposed. Delivering to us a "newer" A8 and "older" Mustangs Thunderbolts would better round out the relatively small number of WWII aircraft that are available to us without having to develop another completely new aircraft. First however should be the newer A8 I think because older versions of the other aircraft don't lose so much as the A8 would gain.
Thanks Steven. Someone mentioned that since the war in Ukraine, development of flight sims has slowed down greatly. That's an interesting observation if true. But yes, adding the more powerful A8 would do a lot to round it out right now.
Another great video on a truly beautiful game. It looks amazing! Decades ago I had the Jane's WW II Airplane Simulator that was also beautiful, accurate and cutting edge for it's time ! Too bad they did not do more but now we have the even more detailed DCS, which is awesome as well. Thanks again Greg!
Interesting talk on the Fw 190 simulation. The 190A came as a shock to the RAF in 1941 because of its 30mph speed advantage over the Spitfire MkV at 20,000ft. Note that 190A was best at low altitude, pilots rarely flew above 20,000 ft. But by June 42 the Spitfire MkIX had entered service with a performance at least as good. The MkIX had a 'happy time' as they were mistaken for MkVs and by this time many 190As had been converted to fighter-bombers, 190F, which degraded performance. By 1943 the 190A was given extra armour and armament for use as bomber destroyers. The extra weight again degrading performance and agility making them easy meat for escort fighters.
This is probably a stupid question, but would it be possible (on the Fw 190 A-8/R4) to use the GM-1 injection to compensate for the supercharger gap where you lose manifold pressure? Or would this just damage the engine?
That's not a bad question at all. They could have done that, and maybe, just maybe they did in some limited numbers. There is some evidence of GM-1 in 190s and if it it happened then I think pilots would have used it in all sorts of unapproved ways.
Hi ! I totally agree with you about the "few planes available in DCS" stuff. Love having a few and get to master them fully. And I agree also on the fact that we should have older versions of the planes coming to DCS. The thing is that who's gonna buy them if they undeperform in multiplayer compared to the existing airframes ? Actually I think they should have started from the beginning developping early models and move on to the later ones. But then again, I guess they just started with the P51 because so many love it, and it set the period for the other next module. Like we can see on the pacific theatre developping : Who whould be interested in it if they had started with the wildcat instead of the corsair and hellcat ? Can't wait for those by the way.. I yeah we need a P38 !!!
Thanks and to answer your question, I have two points. First, it's not all about multi-player. Second multiplayer servers can have time periods or rotations where they have 1943 airplanes one session and 1944 the next. This is done all the time on IL2 servers. The lack of new planes coming out is killing DCS WW2. We have been waiting 7 years for that Corsair. Is it going to be another 7 for a flyable Zero to fight it?
Always loved the 190s, I can't really decide if I love the short nose or the long nose variant more, they're both quite good looking planes.
The Dora Rules!!! Lol
Would you consider a video comparing the performance of the DB 605-powered Bf109G vs. the Jumo 211F-powered Avia S-199?
(My understanding is that while the Jumo made less power, it nevertheless made more torque… had a different prop… bit nose-heavy… a menace on the ground… that’s all I know.)
To put it simple, Ju 211F have hp more or less same as DB 601A, but now on significantly heavier Bf-109 airframe compare to Bf-109E or F. Plus, the propeller was very broad, and so the torque, already a big problem on 109, got bigger. Another problem was 211 wasn't designed to used cannon firing through the hub, so those had to fitted with kit, which disrupted aerodynamic flow and affect the plane CG. And, the last was synchronization system for cowling mounted guns was not good so firing at your own propeller was very real
just a silly question, where does the spent shell casings from the machine guns go? it is ejected from the plane or it is stored for recycling?
The shells are hot and emitting fumes, and usually ejected. Some jets have shell collectors to keep them out of the engines.
I read a story of one pilot who had an enemy very close on his tail, and he fired his guns in desperation. The shell casings hitting the enemy plane confused the enemy enough to cause him to break off the attack.
I’m curious. With 109s, and most other warbirds, I use manifold pressure as my primary reference for engine settings. But because the 190 can overrev at safe manifold pressures in the right situation, I use RPM as my baseline. Yes,I do check both but I mean the default check will be for 1.15 ATA in the 109 but 2300 RPM in the 190, for highest continuous output- the lowest common denominator, so to speak.
Is there a preferred way? Am I doing it less efficiently, somehow?
In the 190A manifold pressure is primary. In the Dora RPM is primary. If you use manifold pressure as primary in the Dora, there are cases when you won't be getting maximum performance. In the case of the Anton, if you don't use manifold pressure as primary performance will fall off a cliff, especially in the gap.
@@GregsAirplanesandAutomobilesBrilliant, thank you. Sounds like I was confusing advice and experience in the Dora with advice and experience with the Anton. And yes, I have been struggling in the supercharger gap, I assumed that this was how it is. I’m gonna go replay the Horrido campaign with my corrected understanding! :D
Good flying, although I could almost hear my instructor's voice demanding more right rudder throughout the flight 😉
Good point. It's hard to get the feel for that in a simulation when flying a new airplane. When I go back through the video, I see all the things I should have done better. Of course when looking at the big picture, it went pretty well.
@@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles Sure enough everything went really well, and obviously it's hard to feel slip in a simulation. Also it's probably better to fly in a slight slip than to be fixated on the ball and not seeing that P47 before he sees you. I only have experience with light single engine (dr-400 and jodel planes), and somehow I find it harder in the sim than in the real plane: the stick always feels to soft, you can't feel the plane slipping or vibrating. Even for something like properly setting the compensator I'm always struggling, while in a real plane I can do it automatically while talking to ATC and finding my way to destination. Anyways thanks for the video.
12:30 So, the A8 in DCS does have a cockpit control that would spray fuel onto the windscreen. It's the yellow tab just forward of the throttle. Unfortunately in DCS, it has no actual function. Turnign the tab one direction would help with especially cold starts of the engine, and the other would be windshield de-icing. This yellow tab can briefly be seen at 11:47 in the bottom of the screen.
Hmm, the way I read the manual the switch should be somewhere else, perhaps I miss read it. In any case, I'm glad it's there, but would love to see it work. It's not a big deal, I can't stress enough that I am super happy with the DCS Anton.
the one of the best in depth presentation of this plane in dcs
BTW greg i want to hear your perspective in regards of FM in DCS
what are the things that you don't agree?
i'm pretty new to the flight sim and still learning
the reason why i'm asking this question is not to debate
but want to hear and learn more about flight sim
i used to play il-2 GB but all the planes felt too lgiht so i purchased DCS fw190 a8 and it feels more realsitic to me so far in terms of FM
but since i have no epxerience in flying the real aircraft i want to hear it from the person who flown the real aircraft and have more knowledge than me
thanks for the video
I haven't done a detailed examination of this, but I think the P-47 dive performance is greatly under represented, and the 47's roll rate is a bit slow. The Dora seems about spot on, the A8 just suffers from lower power, which isn't exactly wrong. Overall, DCS is the best out there. I also want to add that I appreciate your kind words about the video. I am trying to help people fly these wonderful recreations.
@@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles thx for your persepctive
i really enjoyed the fw-190 (why it was so fast) video too
keep up the good work!👍👍👍👍
Great video Greg! Your narrative on the flight planning process made this much more interesting. A good illustration of the video you did recently made on navigation. I’m curious if you make any use of your watch in the navigation process?
I don’t know anything about programs or servers but it was great to start the day with a video staring my favorite aviation presenter and favorite WW II fighter. Thanks and more please!
I did run the in cockpit clock. I didn't show that, but that's how I was timing the legs.
@@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles thanks for the clarification Greg. Given the number of aviation oriented watches from the Germans in this period , I wondered how they were used.
I bet the delegates were discussing why the Wright brothers weren't the first ppl to invent flight. 🤣🤣
They may have been involved in a Whitehead conspiracy.
@@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles there can't be a conspiracy if whitehead gets a bomb to the face! Continue.
What’s the little crank roughly in the center of the instrument panel ?
That adjusts the cowl flap position.
Ahhh…Thanks! Great video.
Would be great to see you in the 4YA Overlord server sometime too. Typically 50 plus people in there.
I may do that, but last I checked they either didn't have Doras with MW-50, or they were all based so far from the action it took 20 mins to get there. I may be thinking of another server, and I know things change so I'll check it out again soon.
I love the comment about "looking for something easy not for a dogfight"? After seven years in two tours in Germany and talking to dozens of old fighter pilots, every single one of whom told me they never wanted to "Dogfight" but preferred to be aerial assassins! Paraphrasing! Also, after all that bit about "P" Factor, I wish you would do a serries on the P-38! PS, does DCS do a good job modeling wing guns, harmonization and huge variances in MV/BC?
Excellent work. You are hereby authorized to paint a red bomb silhouette going through a basketball hoop below your cockpit.
While I always loved your aircraft history, car, and engine technicalities related videos, also really loving your DCS warbird content!
I personally would say P-51 is a lot easier a warbird for people to start with though. Sure, it has just a bit more in the way of managing the engine compared to Anton, but in turn I'd say its ground handling, takeoffs and landings are a lot easier, and it is a lot easier to handle in the air, and has a lot more ground attack potential too imo. But for an Axis side bird, I guess I have to agree that the Anton is the easiest in ground handling and takeoffs. Just my opinion anyway :)
You could be right. I haven't flown the DCS 51 yet.
I don't know if you've said before and I missed it but what HOTAS do you use? The set I have I'm not a big fan of and looking to replace it.
X56, I'm not crazy about it.
Nice video, again. As I said before, fun.
Excellent, thanks Greg!
Fun fact is that second supercharger speed does not provide any additional power. It allow engine to maintain power during climb. So supercharger gap does not mean that there is some kind of power deep and when second supercharger speed engages power comes back up.
Oh yes it does mean there is a drop in power. The problem is that you can't engage the second speed too early or the engine suffers throttling losses, thus it stays in the first speed beyond the point where it can maintain full manifold pressure. Watch my video on supercharging vs. turbocharging in WW2 airplanes for a full explanation.
@@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles I was talking about point when second supercharger speed engages. When it happens power doesn't change. Point when second gear engage is exactly where first gear and second gear power curves meet. Too early and power would decrease. Ofc that power drops when MP drops but there is no way to prevent it in this setup. Planes performance changes very little at second speed engage alt and if you fly slightly below or above this alt won't make a difference. The only thing to take care of is not to pass the switch alt often so the supercharged doesn't't switch back and forth frequently.
And throttling losses are the last concern, the most important is power demand from supercharger spinning at second gear being much larger.
@@grafspeem9402first gear loses power because their usually set to be most efficient close to the deck
@@sule.A But second gear while engaged does not provide any additional net power. It only allows the engine to maintain power. If you engaged second supercharger gear as soon as manifold pressure drops, it will reduce net power.
@@grafspeem9402 ok
Did you pick up SRS for the comms, Greg, or are you in the discord for it?
I was on the Wolf Pack Discord. I haven't used SRS yet.
I fly the D9 on the same server. Unfortunately I am severely limited by not having headtracking or a powerful enough video card to use my quest 2. I am hopeful to upgrade at some point because using the numpad and joystick hat for free look is cumbersome along with non intuitive zooming…a real handicap.
I also need to add rudder pedals instead of the twist stick rudder I have now.
It is a lot of fun regardless, I really enjoy starting with a cold airplane while the base is under attack…gives you a sense of urgency and appreciation for the realism…
On take off I was really struggling until I realized I was being too gingerly with the throttle…something to consider if you are having trouble. I was sitting too long in the most unstable parts of takeoff slowly advancing the throttle.
What kind of controller do you need to fly these machines? Thanks for sharing!
Logitech X-56. That's not an endorsement, it's just what I'm, using.
@@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles ok thx!
Hey greg, I was wondering if you would be willing to talk about the F4U-5 as the next plane in your supergroup series. I know I'm not a patron, but considering you just covered the Sea Sury, the F4U-5 is the closest plane we have to a counterpart. I also am super confused on its highly complex supercharging system, and would like to know more.
I will cover the F4U-5, but my next video is on the B-26 Marauder. The dash 5 vs. the Sea Fury is going to be quite a showdown.
What server was that? Are the recon photos on a separate website like on taw on il-2? Edit: got my answer for the server, so did you produce the recon photo yourself? Thanks for the amazing content! Hope to get to meet you online one day!
The recon photo was just a screen shot I took at some point when flying on the server. I just cropped it and made it black and white for my video. The raid on the train station is not an official "mission" on the server, it was just something I made up for demonstration purposes. It was flown a the Wolf Pack Multiplayer server using the Normandy map. When I took off, I didn't know how it would end, I really wanted to attack bombers to show what the 190A can do. Of course the unplanned variables are part of what makes multiplayer so fun.
Did inverted V engines have a similar issue with hydro lock from oil leaking into the combustion chamber while sitting like radial engines?
Probably, but I haven't seen that mentioned specifically. Either way, it's not a big deal, just treat it like a radial when starting and problem solved.
In regards to the Window cleaning/window washers in DCS basically every module doesn't have any window washing functionality, there are a couple helicopters for example that have working window wipers, but from what I know they are effectively animated but non-functional, the F14 for example is meant to have bleed air window wiper/deice but isn't animated or usable.
Ka-50?
Great video Greg! This has inspired me to purchase some of the DCS WW2 planes. What do you use for your joystick and throttle setup? Looking forward to more DCS content as well as your regular videos.
Thanks Johnny. I'm using the Logitech X-56. It's not the best, but it's good enough and excellent bang for the buck. It has dual throttle which I like for multi engine stuff and I can use one of them for turbo control on the P-47. It also has enough buttons and switches that I rarely need to touch my keyboard while flying.
Is there a specific reason you use the fuel-cutoff method versus ignition-cutoff in an airplane?
There's few advantages to both that I can think of, so just wondered about it...
Regards
Thomas
Yes, that way if a mechanic, or someone else moves the propeller, the engine doesn't start and kill someone. In most aircraft, the ignition spark is generated by rotation, NOT by the Plane's main electrical system.
@@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles I already suspected it to be something along those lines. Emptying the carburator is a precaution I took too when working on 2-stroke bikes.
The idea of a propellor starting to move however is a bit more harrowing!
Thank you for the reply, love the channel by the way! Hope you keep up the content, especially liked the content on the German fuel issues and the consequences it had in engine-development. My father went through the war in Germany/Occupied Europe, and he complained endlessly about their fuel-logistics and the low-grade fuel replacements they often got for their motorcycles and trucks. Never understood what he meant with "crappy fuel" until I came here!
Regards,
Thomas
Nice mission. The Anton is currently one of the best WW2 ground attack planes in DCS. The Mosquito has the better armament but its pitch is a bit sensitive and the Anton has the way better roll-rate. The Mustang has more accurate guns but not as much punch.
One info to add, maybe: You can test most planes in DCS for 2 weeks every 6 months. So take a look at them and choose the one you like most.
My favorites 190..the A8. Thanks Greg!
Run, and hide? Never! : )
No, it's just hide. At 1.42ATA against a P-47D40, or any 51D, I can't even run.
Great video mate - cheers
What happens when you exceed the 1.42ata 3 minute or 1.32ata 30 minute timer? I'm guessing it's much different from IL-2 Sturmovik Great Battles series?
The engine will eventually quit and you find yourself walking home. It's not always a sudden failure right at 3mins but sometime shortly after it will fail in one way or another.
if you do that in a car, you may get a funny knock event with like a bent rod, or a blown head gasket, or something else expensive.
@@GregsAirplanesandAutomobiles does it recharge the timer after a certain amount of time in continuous mode? Or is that the limit per flight?
Outstanding Greg! 👍
About 16:40 and the yellow circle, there was a Picture of a 190A with the yellow circle in the 90s in german aviation Magazin "Jet und Prop" (a former 109 and 190 Pilot was the Editor) and the descripton said that this yellow circle was for Aircraft equipett with BMW 801 TS (TS ?) , iam too lazy today to go thru dozen of J + P but if you need it i can find the Edition but it take a bit time.
Thanks, I don't doubt you have seen that, I'm sure such pictures are out there, but that fact that nobody has posted one yet, I think is very telling, and I went through dozens of them right before I made this video and I couldn't find one. I do think they were running 1.58/1.65, but I'm not so sure they really painted those circles.
I enjoy the mix of technical data while in the DCS model. I just say "Chevey".
I'm french and I admit I did not understand the name of the Town you said when you add your take on french pronunciation but I certainly won't hold it against you good sir! 😁
Thanks, I'm doing my best.
In planning on buying into DCS as soon as the new engine multicore improvements come in.
Only interested in VR and in my tests you have to destroy the visuals to get 90fps
Il2BoS looks fantastic and runs 90fps on realistic hardware
(13700k / 3080)
90 FPS in VR is a pipedream in DCS, sadly. Yes, we've been promised Multicore "This year" but you have to ignore that sort of thing until it is actually released. On the other hand, I'm quite happy at 45 FPS in DCS VR on a G2 using decent settings and a 9700k/3080. It's lower FPS until I'm up a few thousand feet but it works for me. I realise everyone has different tolerance to VR!
Honestly even with low settings it looks pretty good in VR, and 45 fps (while not ideal by any stretch) is very much playable. I am hoping they improve performance though, stable 90 would be a nice improvement.
@@slammerf16 maybe ill check it out on the weekend
I own zero DCS content so ill need yo workout what to do about that
@@Horendus123 Well it's 50% off your first order at the moment! Buy two modules :)
Allison-engined Mustangs were in service right through to the end of the war, IIRC. I would relish seeing what you could do with a Mustang I in '42/'43.