CONTINENTAL ROAD ATTACK 3 vs PIRELLI SCORPION TRAIL 2 COMPARISON // KTM 1290 Super Adventure S
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- Опубліковано 28 лис 2019
- The Continental Road Attack 3 (CRA3) and the Pirelli Scorpion Trail 2 (PST2) are both award winning tires and the both came out at the very top of a comparision test in the MOTORRAD Magazin - each in their respective category - the CRA3 in the road category and the PST2 in the Adventure Bike category.
The stock Pirelli Scorpion Trail 2 tires that comes with the KTM 1290 Super Adventure S is a 90/10 Onroard/Offroad tire which means the tire designers had some light offroad use in mind while designing the tire. The Continental Road Attack 3 is considered sport touring tire for 100% onroad use.
In this video I will give you my personal experience after having ridden at least 2 sets of motorcycle tires of each brand for an entire saison on my KTM 1290 Super Adventure S.
I would be interested in your experience - let me know in the comment section!
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Another cracking review. Cheers brother 👍
Thanks for watching Paul - glad you like it 👍
Decent review. Thanks for the information. New sub 👍🏻🇦🇺🤘🏻
Mike Georgiou thank you for your comment and your support 😉
Brilliant, thank you for sharing! (Having to change tires to often sucks, really. 10 trips a month of 400 km - and every 6 weeks to two month change tires - due to wear? This really sucks. Of course because of the work in the first place. In a track it's quite normal to change tires multiple times a day, but that's a different business.)
Thank you James - us motorcyclist are definitly asking a lot - race track performance of a street tire that last 10.000 km or more- of course with perfect wet condition performance too ;-) But in all seriousness - I am impressed of the advancements in tire technology just in the past years - we may actually be getting what I described very soon - who knows!? Stay healthy!
I have not been overly impressed by the Perelli tires on my SAS. Thanks for the heads up I will try the Continental tires next time around
Let me know what you think when you do ;-)
can I ask you what you did not appreciate about Pirelli?
@@AdrianoEllero the front tire wears oddly . It's almost wavy in the way it wears. The rear tire seems fine.
Motovibes, thanks for useful review. On my 2015 1290 SA, Pirellis are also last up to 6000 kms, front goes even earlier, I tried with Metz Tourance and got the same kms. I'd like to ask you if you notice any difference in top speed stability between Continental and Pirelli. (I have a problem with strong vibrations between 160-180 kmh).
Thank you for your nice feedback. The changes in top speed stability that I noticed were usually influenced more by clothing and wind as far as I can tell. What your are describing sounds more like the wheels are not balanced right - I actually did have that problem once - if you still have some milage left on the tire it may make sense to have the re-balanced?!
Thank you very much for all videos. What brand of helmet are you using? I love it!!!!
Thanks for watching! The helmet is a Touratech Aventuro Carbon 1.0 without the enduro style sun visor. I planning a video on the helmet soon
here is the review of the helmet if you are interested: ua-cam.com/video/xg8RnfKu3UQ/v-deo.html
Very interesting as ever my German friend
Look forward to the comments
Thank you David. As chance would have it I have a set of ST2 (the tire my new R came with) again to go through in the spring before they will be replaced with knobby tires in May 😉
@@MotoVibes that where two sets of wheels come in so handy
Thank you so much for the vídeo and the information. So, let me make you a question: What do you think about put in the front the Continental Road Attack 3 and, in the rear, the Continental Trail Attack 3? Have you tested that?
Thank you - not quite but I had to change the rear tire on the tour and the only tire I could get was a Scorpion Trail 2 and I kept the Road Attack 3 in the front. So, my current street tire setup is a combination of a Road Attack 3 (now my third) in the front and a Scorpion Trail 2 (similar to the Trail Attack ) for the rear. I think the ST2 rear will last longer than the RA3 rear tire while still providing good performance.
@Torqueter Unsere 1290 SAS hat ja keine Reifenbindung und wenn die Reifen die gleiche Bauart (z.B. Radial) haben dürfen 2 verschiedene Reifen vorn und hinten verbaut werden.
Hey bro, very good comparison, fust for curiosity i checked both prices and in my country (Mexico) the CRA3 is much cheaper than Pirelli (around 160 Euro), I will try the CRA3 in my next change xD
That is the way to go then 👍😉
Thanks for the info, it’s very useful to me. I bought a low mileage, 2018 SAS about 6 weeks ago, and it’s still on the original tyres. I’ve been wondering what to replace them with when the time comes...I was considering the Michelin R5T, but now the Conti’s are a possibility also.
Loving your vids 👍
Thanks,
Andy 🏴
Thank you Andy. From what I read the R5T are also a good choice - I would be curious to try them too - if they just weren't so ugly it would be a much easier decision 😂
@@MotoVibes did you find the stock tyres to be of decent quality? You've said that you ran them until they were worn out (and then ran through a couple more sets) so I'm assuming you didn't feel immediately that new rubber was a necessity after purchasing the bike. So I'm guessing the Pirelli Scorpion Trail 2 tyres are sufficiently good performing tyres to not require a change of rubber straight away? In the past I've had new bikes where at the end of the engine break-in kilometres I have had to change tyres at the time when I'm getting the 1st service done, for the simple reason that I felt the tyres being the weakest link by far & therefore they did not inspire confidence at all.
My question to you here, specifically about your bike & your experiences with it, is because my 2020 Super Adventure S has just arrived from KTM at my local dealership & the mechanics are currently in the process of outfitting it with all the KTM accessories & aftermarket accessories that I had bought prior to the bike being delivered. As such I am very interested in how you felt that the stock Pirelli's held up, and perhaps even how they compared to the new Pirelli's you replaced the original ones with - did you notice that the new Pirelli's that you bought were in any way better than the Pirelli's that came fitted on the bike? The UA-cam channel FortNine did a video explaining how bulk tyre orders by manufacturers for new bikes were almost always outsourced to the tyre manufacturer's cheapest production factories in far away places so that the bike manufacturer can get a better price on "quality" tyres but pay significantly less because of the tyres being produced in mass quantities by tyre manufacturers' third tier factories where labour is far cheaper, quality control is less stringent, and among other factors like each tyre produced has perhaps a 30% less total mass of rubber compounds resulting in a far shorter life of the tyre. It can often easily be seen too by checking the imprinted codes on the tyre walls that state the country code of production and comparing that with an equivalent tyre that is bought yourself. The link to FortNine's video I am referring to is below:
ua-cam.com/video/Tv97i_-V7hA/v-deo.html
Also, I must thank you for your video whereby you went through all of the upgrades / changes you made to your SAS. As a result of watching that I went ahead myself and ordered that awesome GPS mount that is CNC machined by Schaal, I purchased the same homologated brake & clutch levers (albeit in a different colour combination), and I even went ahead a purchased myself an airbag vest, similar to the one that deployed on you when you lost traction due to the distraction of the camera guy and as a result you bike went for a slide in the grass & rocks. Thankfully you wasn't injured though! I didn't opt for the helite brand, instead I chose hit-air, the concept is almost identical, my vest is also black however it appears to have a small textile-like pattern all over and just looks like a cool pattern in the day however at night the pattern serves as a reflective material when any light hits it. It's great because it is discreet, oftentimes the reflective options are entirely covered on the outside with that material, which, in my opinion doesn't look nearly a good as all black garments.
Anyway thanks again for your great uploads man, that GPS mount from Schaal is amazing quality (I mentioned in my email correspondence with Schaal that I was ordering the product after having seen it on your channel also, not sure if it helps you but I thought it was worth them knowing anyway), my levers are now homologated too - prior to seeing your video I was looking at others that certainly weren't homologated and that was reflected in the price, so I'm also super happy with the quality of the articulating levers. Yesterday I went to the dealership to show where I wanted the front & rear INNOV K2 cameras installing (a fantastic product by the way, perhaps being a UA-cam creator you may find value in such a system - also, because it is always recording when engine is on you'll always have video evidence stored no matter what happens), anyway I saw that they had already installed the PUIG windscreen that I had ordered. Perhaps it was simply due to the fact the bike was inside but the tinted screen seemed to appear almost too dark. I am hoping that when I get the bike outside that this will no longer be a problem at all. However I recall you saying in one of your videos that you also had the PUIG screen initially, correct? and that you changed it to a GIVI screen for better wind protection. Is there any difference between the darkness of the tint on the PUIG and the GIVI screens? Also did you find that the PUIG screen was too dark?
Thanks a lot man, my apologies for the crazy long message but I know you have the same bike as me and I was hoping I could maybe get your opinions on the few topics above. I absolutely love Austria & Bavaria, I've spent quite a bit of time in those regions but I have always been there with my wife and travelling in a car. I have never ridden there on a motorbike and prior to my SAS I've never had bike that would have been comfortable enough to do the big distances on - however now that I have the SAS I feel I wI'll at some stage be compelled to make a journey up to the Alps via Australia & Germany. I am based in southern Spain so it will, certainly be a long journey, but hell that's what the 1290 Super Adventure S is built for hey? I am super fortunate also in that a business partner owns a hotel in Oberstaufen which has an underground parking garage and I am able to take advantage of staying there whenever I'm in the area - so my plan is to make that my destination, arrive and relax for a few days making use of their sauna and then use the hotel as a base for a few weeks so that I can take the SAS out on different journeys to different areas and regions while using Oberstaufen as a base. I'm honestly really looking forward such a journey and making it happen - the countryside and scenery around there is just spectacular.
@@foxtrot.tango.whisky Thank you for your praise and nice comment. Congratulations to your new KTM! I am happy to read that the accessories video was helpful and I am especially glad to read that you purchased an airbag vest! I hope you will never need it. As for the tire question - I had no issues with the performance of the Pirelli Scorpion Trail 2 with any of the sets I had on the bike incuding the factory installed set of tires. I saw the FortNine video - I am sure some manufacturers do that but probably not all. I could not tell a difference between different sets. The only issue that I had was the wear on the front tire - I believe the Continental Road Attack 3 was not even available during my first year with the KTM 1290 SAS so it was not an option then.
As for the tint of the Puig and Givi screen - they were very similar. The tint looks very dark in some of my videos too but you can actually see the road quite well even through a dark visor - I would not worry about that. The Givi is a bit wider and covers the shoulder a little bit better. Windshields are a bit of a trial and error thing - good thing they are not super expensive.
Southern Spain is a great place to ride too - with a much longer season for riding too ;-) but I hope you get to experiene the alps as well - great places to ride in the alps. Have fun with your new motorcycle! Ride safe! cheers!
Great comparison... And looks like I will be getting these tires for my good old Tiger 955i ... Off with the aggressive Mitas E07 Dakar ...
Thank you very much- I use both. I just put the Mitas E-07+ Dakar on my second wheel set - I still have the Road Attack 3 on the other (not the same set of course) 😉
@@MotoVibes I just installed the Conti Trail Attack 3 on the Tiger and the first ride was good. Looking forward to a more thorough test as soon as it stops snowing... I will keep the E07+ as they are still good for many rides. They say great minds think alike... 😃
@@tomwojcik9342 well I hope the weather will turn for you - it’s almost May. 😉
Ich hatte einmal den Pirelli Scorpion Trail, wurde seinerzeit von der Presse angepriesen wie Sauer Bier. War ein totaler Reinfall, so unsicher hatte ich mich mit keinem anderen Reifen gefühlt. Ob der 2er besser ist, kann ich nicht beurteilen. Aber auf den Angel GT bin ich auf Grund von überschwänglichem Lob der Fachpresse auch reingefallen. War ganz Ok, aber die versprochene Laufleistung hat er nicht im entferntesten erreicht. Dann wurde irgendwo einmal der Mitas Sportforce erwähnt. Klang interessant, also habe ich ihn ausprobiert. Das ist mein Reifen geworden. Grip und Laufleistung sind Top und der Preis ist unschlagbar.
Der Scorpion Trail 2 hatte in den Test sehr gut abgeschnitten aber die Laufleistung - besonders für den Vorderreifen auf der KTM ist unterirdisch. Den Mitas Sportforce kenne ich gar nicht -schau ich mir mal an. Fahre ja jetzt Stollenreifen von Mitas -bin gespannt fast am Ende das Fazit ist - bis jetzt sind die gut.
I have the original Scorpion Trail on my Moto Guzzi Stelvio with about 1000 miles on tires. They look like they will wear well. I mention since I have used Pirelli Angel tires on my Triumph Trophy that are again lasting over 12000 miles (that''s over 19000 kilometer).
Wow. That is some crazy mileage on a set of tires 👍
I have a 2011 Transalp 700. I need a new set of tires. Should I go for Pirelli? I do most of asphalt and love to use all of the tire surface (go hard on curves). Thanks
Well if you only to Asphalt a 100 % Road tire like the Road Attack 3 or similar would be the best option. However the ST2 performs really well and may last longer on a lighter bike
My Road King’s front tyre always lasted much longer than the rear when I used the Harley preferred Dunlop tires but when I went to the Avon tires, it was a closer run thing. So I was quite surprised when I went to the BMW GSA with Bridgestone A41 tires and the front is looking average at 7000 kliks but the rear looks good. 🤷♂️
I do push on a bit but not madly.
I have to admit the tire wear is stronger when riding faster - well, actually when decelerating faster in this case. Then again - the Conti does not have this issue and I know most other tires will not wear the front out first. I think they jus twent to soft on the rubber compound for these heavy ADV bikes.
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nice review! where are you ride sir? great roads!
That is definitely Switzerland but I am not sure where exactly this was 😉
Conti attack, excellent. Bridgestone battlax, excellent. Currently on Michelin Road 6, excellent. Riding a 2019 KTM Superadventure S, amazing!!
Absolutely - nothing to add here 😉👍
Hi, great videos all round. I’m looking at changing my tyres due to front Pirelli ST2 being shot after 3500 km from new, have you any experience with any other tyre on the SAS? I fancy the Angel GT2 or a set of Metzeler Roadtech 01, thank you in advance.
Welcome to the "Killing the ST2 in less than 4000 km Club" 😂 I do not have any experience with any other tire other than these 2 on the KTM 1290 SAS.
The Continental TRAIL Attack 3 is supposed to last even longer than the ROAD Attack 3 while still giving you enough grip on a good road to scrap the footpegs. Maybe worth looking at.
Torqueter did a comparison (in German but description is in English) between the CTA2 CTA3 and CRA3 ua-cam.com/video/KTeNu4iD5_Y/v-deo.html
Maybe that helps.
MotoVibes thanks
Hi again, just wanted to update you as I've recently fitted a set of Pirelli Angel GT2 and I absolutely love them, they have turned my excellent ride into an awesome ride!!! I reckon I'm 5-10 mph quicker everywhere!!! The front is so much more stable than with the OEM Pirelli ST2!!!!
@@frankiecorrado687 Thank you for sharing your experience. I just had a nice tire failure with my favorite RA3 tire last weekend. not so nice. I got a new RA3 for a replacement but need to see which tire is next once this set is done.
MotoVibes yes I’ve been reading the comments about your failure, hopefully a one off?! Will keep you posted on how the Angel GT2 do. 👍🏽👍🏽
Hi, I can highly recommend you the Conti Trail Attack3. On my SAS I changed at 10.000 km the front wheel and 6.000km at the back wheel. THe grip is equal. Greetings
Pari Comninos I think I will try the CTA3 some time too. Thank you 🤙
Can I ask you, the grip is equal in repect to Pirelli or Conti Road attack III?
@@AdrianoEllero Very likely not - the rubber compount is different on the Road Attack - when you ride it hard it starts to looks like racing tire and gets very sticky to the touch. Neither the Pirelli ST2 or the Continental Trail Attack 2 or 3 will be that sticky. With that beeing said - they will all offer enough grip to scape the foot pegs on the KTM 1290 on dry roads. Most of us will not be pushing their bikes much further than that ;-)
I have a set on my GS. I have struggled with high speed stability from day one until the dealer recommended I drop the pressure slightly. The front has also developed quite a few small splits at the same points around the full circumference which is worrying. They are supper grippy and confidence inspiring in the bends but I will rather go for Road Tec01's or PR5's next.
Thank you for sharing your experience. I still have to run down my current set of CRA3 and then I will see what is next for me. I may try something different too ;-)
@Motovibes, I also have a SADV S. Need new tires. Want the most grip. Undecided between the Continental Road Attack 3 and the Michelin Road 5 Trail. What’s your suggestion? Keep up the good work. Also ordered the SW Motech axle sliders from FC Moto after watching your video, really like them.
If you want the most grip my choice would be the RA3 - that is why I decided for this particular tire as I was looking at pure road riding. I have no experience with Road 5 - it falls in the same category as the Continental Trail Attack 3 and the Scorpion Trail 2. The rubber compound is not as sticky as the RA3 but these tire will still give you very good onroad performance - maybe with a little more mileage too.
Wich one do you recomend if i go sometimes track days?Conti is good for that?These tyres good for light off-road?
Conti Road Attack for the track - they are a 100% road tire and not really good off-road. Light off-road would be TKC 70 or Heidenau K60 Scout. The Conti Trail Attack sits in between these 2 but is really more onroad than off-road focused
@@MotoVibes thank you!Im hasitating on trail attack,hope it will be enough for light off-road an good if I might be go on race track sometimes.I have a versys 650.
Wow those mileage figures are shocking. My first set of trail 2’s lasted me close to 21k km’s. I ride an AT DCT.
It depends on how you ride. In the Alps on a 1290 Super Adventure with relatively sportive speeds the milage is actually really good.
What are your thoughts on the Helite vest?
Check out this video on the Helite vest ua-cam.com/video/L4OrbQP6EqM/v-deo.html
What tire pressure do you use on agressive riding??
Thank you 😀
Daniel Tourigny 2.5 bar front and 2.9 rear. As recommended 😉
@@MotoVibes recommended pressure from Continental, or ktm?
@@Daniel75gr from KTM 😉
hello, please letme ask you, about off road diferences, wich its better of this two you are comparing Continental or Pirelli?
I would not really take them for off-road riding- they are road tires
@@MotoVibes i understand, sometimes I have a dirt road and a bit of rocks, would they be a good option? which would be the best?
@@josemanuellealmarquez7612 well - between the 2 the Scorpion Trail 2 would be better on loose ground. The rubber compound ist not as „sticky“ when the tire gets warm - which is better for off-road riding. The scorpion trail 2 is marketed as 90/10 tire - so with a 10% focus for loose surfaces- I hope this helps 😉
@@MotoVibes sure, it helps me a lot, thank you very much
@@josemanuellealmarquez7612 you are welcome ;-)
Ich kenne auch beide Reifen auf meinen Multistradas. Wobei ich den Scorpion schon länger nicht mehr gefahren bin. Gehalten haben beide etwa gleich lange. Wobei der Conti die ca. letzten 1500km echt blöd zu fahren ist. Kippelig. Er hat dann an der Seite kaum mehr Profil. Er hält super. Gibt mit mehr vertrauen wie der Pirelli und fährt sich auch klar agiler. Der Conti reagiert empfindlicher auf den Soziabetrieb und brauch mehr Aufmerksamkeit (Luftdruckspielereien).
Im Moment fahre ich den Angel GT2. Der ist wie ein leicht besserer PST2. Enorm ist der Unterschied nicht. Baut auch bei weitem nicht der Grip und die Temperatur auf wie der Conti.
Der nächste Satz wird ein Conti Trail Attack 3. Der soll toll sein (Testsieger) und wie ein etwas haltbarerer CRA3. Ich bin gespannt.
Den Trail Attack 3 hätte ich fast noch auf der Tour bekommen - der war eigentlich vorbestellt für ein Reifenwechsel in der Schweiz - es kam aber nur der Vorderreifen und so bin ich dann mit dem RA3 weiter gefahren und konnte dann spontan einen neuen Hinterreifen in Frankreich raufziehen lassen - das beste was die hatten war ein Scorpion Trail 2 😂
Wie bei mir. Na sagen wir fast den die Bilder deines Pirelli Vorderreifen sind WOW...! ich wechselte den vorderen bei 3700km.
Bissi Träge oder Stur ist die Pirelli Scorpion Trail 2 schon aber Haftung hat er.
Der ST2 lief sehr gut in Sardinien - super Grip - ist aber auch Spitzenasphalt auf der Inseln. Die Performance des Reifen ist gut - nur die Haltbarkeit geht halt nicht - zumal es bessere Alternativen gibt.
@@MotoVibes in Sardinien hat man"n" noch Grip wenn man über einen Kuhfladen darüberfährt 😇
War dieses Jahr Anfang Oktober 2Wochen dort, aber mit meiner alten GS auf TKC 80, da wir auch Offroad unterwegs waren. Nach 3000km (sicher 2700Asphalt) waren wir beim Reifenwechsel. Habe meiner GS die PST2 verpasst und bin wie immer mit dem Pirelli zufrieden.
✌️zum Gruß, Hubert
@@bavariamen696 ;-) so schaut es aus mit dem Grip in Sardinien - Offroad würde mir das ganze auch mal Spass machen. maybe some day!
ok und schon mal CTA3 ausprobiert?, vielleicht hält der länger.
Aber für deine Fahrweise passt der CRA3 wohl am besten.
ich hab nur auch das Problem das ich alle 5000km neue brauch haha, und habe gehofft die Advanture Reifen halten besser
Leider hab ich den CTA3 noch nicht probieren können. Wenn es um reine Haltbarkeit geht kann man auch mischen- ich hatte notgedrungen einen ST2 hinten montiert bekommen auf einer Tour und somit hinten den Pirelli und vorne den Conti RA3 - der ST2 hält hinten ca. 2k km länger bei mir
The stock Pirellis were awful. Front was gone after 4000km. I changed them to Dunlop road smart 3 and I'm super satisfied. The front lasts two rears, and the rear last at least 8K. Grip also seems better than the scorpions.
Thank you for sharing your experience! 8K is pretty good milage no doubt.
Road attack way better no doubt, also breaking improved because front pirelli is crap, i did 12k front and 7k rear on RA3. Seems the new angel gt 2 I'm not curious seems it did good on tests
+Sousa KTM That is Good mileage out the RA3 😉
Nice helmet! What helmet are you using?
Thank you - it is this helmet ua-cam.com/video/xg8RnfKu3UQ/v-deo.html
What helmet are you wearing in this video?
This is the one: ua-cam.com/video/ysiMw_UWN1o/v-deo.htmlsi=yWcKE4I7beWwnAUA
Conti Trail Attack 3s best tire ever.
after 30.000 kms on my heidenau scout 60 with ktm 990 adventure now im looking a new set of tyres lol
Wow. That is some serious mileage on a single set of tires 👍😎
@@MotoVibes sorry it was not quite correct information. just bought a new set of K60 scouts, and found my milage note and pictures i made when i bought the tyres i changed. I used them for 19 months and eactly 21.000 kms not 30 k but still not bad :) and i ride quite naughty, just was afraid that they will get punctured easily since to thickness left on them.
Try Metzler road attach 01
I have not tried that one yet - not sure which one would be next - it would be interesting to try something different next time.
Je viens de faire 13500 kms avec les pirreli multistrada v4 charger et en couple aucun problème
That is a lot of km. Never got anywhere close to that
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I’ve never heard of anyone that goes through tires like you do. What are you doing to burn through tires like they’re candy? Wait, what?
It largely depends on how aggressive you decide to ride. My Norway trip was a lot more low key and the tires showed much less wear 😉
only 6k km? Thats horrible milage.
FranBunnyFFXII yes indeed. Any suggestions for longer lasting tires?!
@@MotoVibes I have no idea. Thats how I found your video, researching tires.
FranBunnyFFXII the mileages you get very much depends on how hard you ride and where you ride. You can certainly get 2-3k out of the tires
Ich hab dich ja echt lieb aber könntest du es mal auf Deutsch versuchen und dann mit eng. Untertiteln ?? Danke ! Die Inselsprache kann ja nicht jeder Verstehen.
Ich habe es jetzt mal auf Englisch versucht - da ist noch einiges an Material aus dem Sommer auf der Festplatte - spart die doch sehr aufwendige Arbeit mit den Untertiteln.