Fixing the RX 5700 XT Cooler for $0.04 | Paste & Washers vs. Thermal Pad

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  • Опубліковано 30 чер 2024
  • We added some washers and thermal paste to the RX 5700 XT cooler to fix some of its previously dismal performance.
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    This fix uses some Thermal Grizzly Hydronaut, although we'd recommend some Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut on Amazon (geni.us/Jrm5Sf).
    We also used 4 washers, found easily. The idea is to fix the mounting pressure issue on the RX 5700 XT cooler, a similar issue exhibited by the Radeon VII cooler. This addresses some of the thermal and temperature/noise concerns by bringing down overall GPU temperature, thus allowing lower noise levels at the same performance.
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  • @GamersNexus
    @GamersNexus  5 років тому +96

    Watch our original tear-down of the 5700 XT here: ua-cam.com/video/BpctR5TFJjk/v-deo.html
    And our review here: ua-cam.com/video/-SAWtKEIYbw/v-deo.html
    And find the GN toolkit here: store.gamersnexus.net/products/gamersnexus-tear-down-toolkit

    • @MrLatex-fk9rj
      @MrLatex-fk9rj 5 років тому +3

      unrelated to the cooling issue, but why does the 5700 card even exist. The 5700xt is only fifty bucks more and competes with the 2070. Why not just save up that little bit more and buy the xt?

    • @swatson9042
      @swatson9042 5 років тому +1

      ua-cam.com/video/2hIOW6qRbKM/v-deo.html
      Can you look into this "pad", it's supposedly a polymer gel? that sets into a firmness that resembles a pad.

    • @scylozy
      @scylozy 5 років тому +2

      Hey Steve, would you mind doing an aftermarket cooler like the accelero xtreme iv or raijintek morpheus ii. The idea being to test the raw performance of the 2070 super versus 5700xt when the cooler isn't a factor. Waterblock would also work, of course, so just whatever is simplest or on hand.

    • @theq4602
      @theq4602 5 років тому +3

      Get some fucking sleep

    • @dra6o0n
      @dra6o0n 5 років тому +1

      Next up, throw a old GPU cooler on it.

  • @XDeadzX
    @XDeadzX 5 років тому +1316

    Pretty cool that the pressure pattern is a GN logo. AMD helping advertise!

    • @AstolfoGayming
      @AstolfoGayming 5 років тому +35

      It actually does look like the GN logo.. I wonder if AMD did the same with other review outlets?

    • @scott2100
      @scott2100 5 років тому +8

      Ultimate pandering

    • @JohnnyWednesday
      @JohnnyWednesday 5 років тому +22

      Quite the coincidence. A poet might say that GN is what the GPU is really missing.

    • @GrimmsDeath
      @GrimmsDeath 5 років тому +8

      This is probably why I should look at top few comments before posting. I saw the same thing.

    • @JohnnyWednesday
      @JohnnyWednesday 5 років тому +15

      @@GrimmsDeath - The amount of times I've commented thinking I'm witty or observant and then I read a dozen identical comments? is humbling ;)

  • @stephenwakeman3074
    @stephenwakeman3074 5 років тому +618

    You could say that AMD are now facing "mounting pressure" to fix their thermal solution.

    • @oldtimergaming9514
      @oldtimergaming9514 5 років тому +11

      * slap *

    • @dogboy0912
      @dogboy0912 5 років тому +7

      b'dum

    • @stephenwakeman3074
      @stephenwakeman3074 5 років тому +16

      @@oldtimergaming9514 You know inside it made you happy :-)

    • @tjrooger1092
      @tjrooger1092 5 років тому +7

      That was so bad it was good.

    • @kevadu
      @kevadu 5 років тому +14

      You might say that AMD's cooler really blows.

  • @hotdogbrah
    @hotdogbrah 5 років тому +375

    @4:50 you guys made your logo with the pressure test :O

    • @enterthepc8147
      @enterthepc8147 5 років тому +4

      Great scott! You are right

    • @backupplan6058
      @backupplan6058 5 років тому +18

      So whenever Lisa goes on about “secret sauce” she actually mean they etch the GN logo into each die to appease our lord and saviour.

    • @Olie956
      @Olie956 5 років тому +1

      lmfao I was thinking the same thing. Lol.

  • @WolvenWeaver
    @WolvenWeaver 5 років тому +972

    Take away: AMD needs to hire somebody else to design their coolers.

    • @qzcc5550
      @qzcc5550 5 років тому +118

      Nah, they just need to slap the guy who had the idea to use a thermal pad across the back of the head. The cooler itself obviously works just fine.

    • @larrygall5831
      @larrygall5831 5 років тому +48

      Reference cards are only good for water blocks. (Except for fan models, like NVidia went with.) Those blowers just don't work well.. even with good mounting for the heatsink.

    • @WolvenWeaver
      @WolvenWeaver 5 років тому +8

      @@qzcc5550
      Well I consider that part of the cooler package, but point taken. There may be better cooler designs, but going with a thermal pad over a good paste is probably the big core issue.

    • @joker927
      @joker927 5 років тому +5

      Seriously. GN has better folks? Seems like rushed product.

    • @myownsite
      @myownsite 5 років тому +34

      It's not a badly engineered cooler. Using the pad allows for larger tolerances driving cost down.

  • @mikel9656
    @mikel9656 5 років тому +114

    I found that adding thicker rubber pads on bracket in the area that pushes down on the back of the PCB was much more effective than the washer method at increasing the mounting pressure between the die and the cold plate. You also wont be able to see the mod after the fact. I used thick foam double sided tape, and added layers until i got the optimum contact pressure; used that contact paper idea you guys introduced. I used this method on my Radeon VII, the Washer method is rather sketchy in my book, and looks it to.

    • @GamersNexus
      @GamersNexus  5 років тому +58

      Good idea! That would be an interesting approach as well. It brings the pressure in closer to the die.

    • @MatsNorway
      @MatsNorway 5 років тому +8

      @@GamersNexus The pressure from the rubber fatigues over time I have seen hacks like that before on say.. trains.. But there is springs for compact installations you can look at. Lesjofors got some neat ones.

    • @Rocky-bz8wr
      @Rocky-bz8wr 5 років тому +8

      off topic but back in the red ring of death days for the x360 after you baked the chip that came desoldered I would use plastic thin washers under the mounting hardware as well as flex the bracket a bit to get much better mounting pressure. This worked out pretty good and I did a lot of 360's this way and all worked fine for a very long time after except one of them which had gotten another problem not related to the red ring of death.
      Because these were pretty much classified as dead there was little risk of breaking anything because it was already non functional.

    • @davidvalentin4128
      @davidvalentin4128 5 років тому +2

      @@Rocky-bz8wr thank u for this! Intresting

    • @kindis4282
      @kindis4282 5 років тому +1

      @@GamersNexus You guys might want to try that method too. Also after that some lapping if you dont mind :)
      On the paste reccomendations you've made. I think TG kryonaut ''breaks'', after 80C so It would be a good choice for this card. Know that from Vega 56, Vega 64 owners.

  • @fenixmining
    @fenixmining 5 років тому +141

    Dr. Lisa Su: I want good thermals on Navi.
    AMD Engineer: The technology actually doesn't exist.
    Dr. Lisa Su: STEPHEN BURKE WAS ABLE TO BUILD THIS IN A CAVE! WITH A BOX OF SCRAPS!
    AMD Engineer: I'm sorry. I'm not Stephen Burke.

  • @rocknrollajohnnyquid876
    @rocknrollajohnnyquid876 5 років тому +367

    AMD: We invested millions in bringing you these new cards
    GN: we spent bout 4 cents and made it better :p
    Doesnt that pressure test paper look like the GN logo??

    • @JohnSmith-ro8hk
      @JohnSmith-ro8hk 5 років тому +11

      Yeah go ahead and put all that added pressure on the edges and see what happens to your gpu long term. great fix

    • @Phenom98
      @Phenom98 5 років тому +11

      @@vyor8837 it is hot as fuck. Waiting for 3rd party.

    • @alanestevez2431
      @alanestevez2431 5 років тому

      Yes, it looks like GN's logo

    • @skywalker1991
      @skywalker1991 5 років тому

      Dumd Amd wasting opportunity again , should have made 2fan design and GPUs could have clocked higher and match rtx2070super performance for less money.

  • @maddogfarg0
    @maddogfarg0 5 років тому +80

    3:26 - You NEED to use PLASTIC washers. You can see in the closeup shot at this time index that the metal washer is touching some resistors on the back side of the card. This could lead to a short and failure once the coating wears off.

    • @ThoughTMusic
      @ThoughTMusic 5 років тому +5

      maddogfarg0 This comment should be pinned.

    • @era7928
      @era7928 4 роки тому +2

      The pressure will easily crush the smd caps and resistor. You need to be careful with the pressure.

    • @p0tat0es_nation64
      @p0tat0es_nation64 2 роки тому +4

      I used metal washers and there is no problem for now. But my washers were not as big as the ones in this video actually they had the perfect size and fit perfectly under the metal thing

    • @GigaVids
      @GigaVids 11 місяців тому

      came to say thats the first thing i noticed not sure how this isnt pinned

  • @DefWun
    @DefWun 5 років тому +11

    I used washers on the heatsink assembly for laptops through the years,because the springs were a terrible rate. I thought I was alone in my thinking and method,but now I realize I'm not alone.

  • @ERBarratt
    @ERBarratt 4 роки тому +9

    Ok, I've done this mod also like another chap in the comments. I used thermal grisly kryonaut, 1mm thick silicone thermal pads and some plastic washers. With the washers, I made sure the hole was big enough for the small post that pokes through the pcb to fit within, and also kept the springs on.
    So order is screw, bracket, washer, spring. The spring also fits inside the washer.
    I also put 4 1mm thick strips of plasticard under the four rubber feet around the center of the mounting bracket (1 strip on each rubber foot), to increase the pressure at the center.
    Then did an auto undervolt in wattman and now I site at 2020mhz over prolonged furmark 1080p runs, getting to a junction temp of about 86 after saturation. Clock may dip a bit on saturation, but still above 1900.

  • @Jtw0912
    @Jtw0912 5 років тому +275

    Is that a GN logo on the contact paper with the washers at 3m?

    • @NightMotorcyclist
      @NightMotorcyclist 5 років тому +3

      screw "Founder's Edition" cards, give me a GN Edition instead.

  • @Castaa
    @Castaa 5 років тому +46

    Everyone: The RX 5700 XT is a jet engine
    Tech Jesus: Hold my Washers!

    • @Dr.WhetFarts
      @Dr.WhetFarts 5 років тому +1

      it's not like it's cool and quiet after the "fix"

  • @joonaspulkkinen6369
    @joonaspulkkinen6369 5 років тому +9

    I would like to see a arctic accelero extreme iv on this. Be careful with metal washers, you can short out components on top of the card.

    • @DigitalAsshat
      @DigitalAsshat 5 років тому

      Checkt out pcgh.de. It's PC Games Hardware, a German magazine. Am on a mobile connection so can't include the link, but they had a video yesterday. Still interesting even when you don't understand him talking. Considering you can take these coolers from gen to gen and always go for the reference card it's very compelling.

  • @aaronj.edelman916
    @aaronj.edelman916 5 років тому +1

    Great content!! I love your videos, seeing the amount of tests you run and the amount of data you show always brings me back

  • @OSDevon
    @OSDevon 5 років тому

    Good shit! Hopefully we'll see something like this in the next batches forward

  • @robertmcmahon1807
    @robertmcmahon1807 5 років тому +30

    Did anybody actually see HOW he applied the paste/washers/pads? Lotsa talk and graphs, but the basic visual info seems to be lacking. ;)

    • @banana5651
      @banana5651 4 роки тому +1

      seriously. I have been scouring the web and NO body gives visual of how its done.

    • @iTzProLike1
      @iTzProLike1 3 роки тому

      I really dont know in the end which is better and how its done, im not native english and this is the 3rd time watching this vid.

    • @olehcelsior1005
      @olehcelsior1005 3 роки тому

      if you need that info so much, just Google any other cooler mounting instruction with cross plate on the back and add to that some washers between gpu board and cross plate that's it... so basic, ofc he wouldn't waste his time and resource on rendering another minutes of video, it's a basic routine. Tons of tutorials how to apply all that over internet. don't be lazy, or if you are too afraid to do it, just let someone experienced do It fo u

  • @Kaziklu
    @Kaziklu 5 років тому +157

    So maybe wait for third party cards that may have better cooling and are quieter.

    • @voxelfusion9894
      @voxelfusion9894 5 років тому +9

      @Stasss if you don't mind the 10 extra decibel, then save the cash I guess.

    • @TechImperium
      @TechImperium 5 років тому +14

      I always get third party cards no matter what. I like my GPUs with lower temps.

    • @igot2muchdoubt
      @igot2muchdoubt 5 років тому

      When they will come do you think ?

    • @joeallan3706
      @joeallan3706 5 років тому

      mid august

    • @igot2muchdoubt
      @igot2muchdoubt 5 років тому

      @@joeallan3706 and for extra min 50 dollars its even more in my country so ı will buy blower but ı dont think it will be a problem for me ı play max 1 or 1.5 hours and rest for another 30 min

  • @PeterMan56
    @PeterMan56 5 років тому +1

    Dude, the pattern on your shirt matches the pattern of pressure paper! Mind-blowing!!!

  • @ChuckTownRC51
    @ChuckTownRC51 4 роки тому

    Ok, first of all I have been PC gaming and building rigs for 20 years but I have never took apart a graphics card before. I was nervous to do it but I got the plastic washers, some Kryonaut and some thermal pads (for the back plate) and did it. Now, even with the stock fan curve it is not going above 79C on unigine benchmark/stress test. Thanks so much for making this video and the tear down one, it was a big help.

    • @benben6690
      @benben6690 2 роки тому

      If you dont mind me asking. what size thermal pads did you use on for the back plate?

  • @tyronetripod4047
    @tyronetripod4047 5 років тому +5

    AMAZING :-0
    didnt one of those metal washers seem to be touching a contact on pcb?
    Wouldnt it help to put washers on rest of backplate to to benefit memory and mosfets?

  • @justincarr3344
    @justincarr3344 4 роки тому +4

    I would like a walkthrough or a video showing just exactly how to do this

  • @metallicaX93
    @metallicaX93 5 років тому

    Really liked the detailed breakdown for this and the improvement you made. I'll be holding off for AIB cards, but will pick up possibly a Gigabyte or Strix 5700XT to see thermals and noise level improved

  • @rajkumarsteel
    @rajkumarsteel 5 років тому

    In the end super job sir!!!

  • @richiedeadsix
    @richiedeadsix 5 років тому +128

    Arent you running the risk of shorting the SMDs ( 3:31 ) with a metal washer???

    • @Megalomaniakaal
      @Megalomaniakaal 5 років тому +6

      Only if it makes conductive contact with two or more points.

    • @user-dj1hy6zc6q
      @user-dj1hy6zc6q 5 років тому +70

      @@Megalomaniakaal
      Which it clearly can ... Bottom left washer as shown.
      Rubber or plastic washers are highly recommended.

    • @accordingone3598
      @accordingone3598 5 років тому +19

      Consider it a "shunt mod" :D

    • @bootyholeman5659
      @bootyholeman5659 5 років тому +39

      Yeah, don't do this. Must use plastic, or those old school red paper washers under metal. Another problem is metal can penetrate the PCB coating and contact the copper traces.

    • @Megalomaniakaal
      @Megalomaniakaal 5 років тому +1

      @@user-dj1hy6zc6q Absolutely.

  • @jomunoz
    @jomunoz 5 років тому +10

    Tip: you can create washers of any thickness by slicing plastic tubes, you just need a tube of the diameter you want.
    I've done it for home fixes.

  • @redfive5758
    @redfive5758 4 роки тому +1

    Thanks for the video. I applied this mod using nylon #4 size washers and my 5700 XT is now running around 78c with the fan at 2100 rpm. The card maintains about 1900MHz. Again thanks for the affordable mod for cooler temps and little to no throttling. :)

  • @MoreNimrod
    @MoreNimrod 5 років тому +1

    Very cool fix! I'll try to keep an eye out for partner models later on because while performance is nice especially on the XT model, I am not a fan of the noise and heat of the card.

  • @oggydrums
    @oggydrums 5 років тому +20

    So... Yeah... 16:11 I see Buildzoid's catchphrase is very contagious 😃😃😃

  • @jpteknoman
    @jpteknoman 5 років тому +3

    kryonaut is a great paste. i put it in my rx470 because the stock paste was useless after 3 years and temps dropped by 20C

  • @viperchrisz4
    @viperchrisz4 5 років тому

    This would be a super easy fix/addition revision they could implement into future produced units

  • @Zapablast05
    @Zapablast05 5 років тому +1

    Steve on solid front panels: "Fortunately, you NEVER see those."
    Phanteks: *palms are sweaty*

  • @SSJChar
    @SSJChar 5 років тому +17

    i still look forward to a hybrid mod. fingers crossed thats still coming to see how much headroom the card has

    • @HK-qw4wt
      @HK-qw4wt 5 років тому

      EK already has a proper waterblock on offer, no reason not to use that instead.

    • @SSJChar
      @SSJChar 5 років тому

      i dunno, JUST the waterblock is $140 USD, but a kraken g12 and a h105(240mm) is $160. of course thats assuming the g12 will fit with the 5700xt

    • @aliabdallah102
      @aliabdallah102 5 років тому

      @@SSJChar the kraken wouldn't cool the VRAM or the VRMs properly.

    • @silenthill4
      @silenthill4 4 роки тому

      ID-Cooling FROSTFLOW

  • @DigBipper188
    @DigBipper188 5 років тому +9

    Those HM03 pads are good, but not for high density, high TDP parts. AMD should focus on increasing the mounting pressure of their coolers and start using high conductivity thermal pastes instead. Preferably a trilinear ceramic based compound to reduce the effects of ageing.

  • @alexanderhoke672
    @alexanderhoke672 5 років тому

    Nice work as always GN crew, someone at AMD should take notice of these reviews, teardowns, and mods and adjust accordingly!

  • @South_0f_Heaven_
    @South_0f_Heaven_ 5 років тому +2

    When I used to do reflow repairs of GPUs I found that using a copper shim with good quality thermal paste like arctic silver worked best.
    The trick is to test fit different thickness copper shims and to have some resistance to moving, when the heatsink is reassembled take a pick or small screwdriver and try to move the shim. You want enough resistance that the shim will move when pressure is applied.
    After finding the right ship apply the thermal paste and it’s good to go. You don’t want a ton of pressure on the GPU die as pushing the chip down too much will cause damage.
    Done correctly the shim has enough room to move around from thermal expansion and provides better cooling. You can find a copper shim assortment on eBay and they are cheap.
    On average I would get at least a 15c - 20c degree decrease in temperature.

  • @BM1620
    @BM1620 5 років тому +11

    Yeah these cards weren't rushed out the gate at all were they, lol. Great vid, definitely wanna see what this card does on water cooling.

    • @stephenwakeman3074
      @stephenwakeman3074 5 років тому +1

      @UCH2l_lS7uiIF5Vffbq0cnFQ TBF the video title allows you to deduce the findings of the video. Stuff like this happens because companies rush products to market. If there is another explanation you think is likely then do share.

    • @tonybarden8563
      @tonybarden8563 5 років тому

      to be fair ,'hand built' is always going to have better results than a machine line though isnt it

    • @stephenwakeman3074
      @stephenwakeman3074 5 років тому +1

      @@tonybarden8563 True. But let's also consider that AMD's thermal solutions for their GPUs are notoriously garbage. To compete they have to take it seriously. It's not good enough to produce a product that competes on price and perf but then falls flat on its face because it's noisy and hot.

    • @stephenwakeman3074
      @stephenwakeman3074 5 років тому +1

      @@downwiththatsortofthing624 You missed out your part; triggered keyboard warrior. A perfect trifecta! Not entirely sure what you're standing up for though. Now that we've all had time to watch the video (which I have done - you'll find soothing to hear) do you propose we alter our hideously premature conclusions?

    • @tonybarden8563
      @tonybarden8563 5 років тому

      @@stephenwakeman3074 well the blower is a 'fit-all' solution ,but then you do have to ask at this sort of price ,most buyers are actually pc clued up with decent case venting etc ,so a blower for the masses may not be a good idea ,but hey how on earth would a pc part company know there market is for a gamer ....lol
      i wasnt defending the blower at all mate ,just pointing out the business/automation process would be less good at doing the ideal job as a tech channel by hand

  • @miguelagueda3928
    @miguelagueda3928 5 років тому +43

    I understood the use of the pad in Radeon 7,as it was a big die with 4 HBM stacks, but I don't think this could be a problem for the radeon 5700 when the die is a lot smaller, unless the heatsink has really really bad tolerances.

    • @hantzleyaudate7697
      @hantzleyaudate7697 5 років тому

      Miguel Águeda heat is heat I guess 🤷🏾‍♂️

    • @jadoei13
      @jadoei13 5 років тому +2

      @@hantzleyaudate7697 And so? Any partner card uses thermal paste, this was done on r7 cause the cooler was uneven, smaller die means smaller cooler contact so it should be less of a problem.

    • @michaellesak6912
      @michaellesak6912 5 років тому +1

      i think they started using it with r7, then seeing some sort of production side efficiency of using pads vs. paste they decided to use it for all cards. the only way i can see them doing it with negative thermal consequences is if it is saving them money somehow.

    • @greebj
      @greebj 5 років тому

      eh, just borrow Der8auer's balls for a couple of hours and lap the die flat...

  • @ozicoiii
    @ozicoiii 5 років тому +1

    For anyone interested, the paper is called Fuji Impression paper. It's cheap to buy, but it costs around $50 to analyze a single piece unless you buy their scanner which costs $10k. The more red does mean better contact, but it doesn't mean Forces are evenly distributed. The Red color needs to be scanned and measured in pixels to understand its pigment and its saturation, then you can call it good or bad pressure(force) distribution.

  • @Wasmachineman
    @Wasmachineman 5 років тому

    That Charmander flower pot is so cute!

  • @PatrickLipsinic
    @PatrickLipsinic 5 років тому +3

    Wonder what they would be like with a RAIJINTEK MORPHEUS air cooler and how much improvement.

  • @devinbinglebeebop4898
    @devinbinglebeebop4898 5 років тому +43

    Yeesh, such a fix would cost 0.20$ Canadian... Talk about getting boned by the exchange rate

    • @SuperRandykid
      @SuperRandykid 5 років тому +12

      Try being in australia..
      0.20c for the washers, plus import tax, plus customs tax, plus wholesaler markup, plus retailer markup, plus GST, grand total of $89.72USD, plus exchange rate conversion is a grand total of $146.56AUD

    • @greebj
      @greebj 5 років тому +8

      @@SuperRandykid Or go looking at Bunnings and find packs of 20 for $15 in every size but the one that will fit.

    • @kendokaaa
      @kendokaaa 5 років тому +4

      @@SuperRandykid Math checks out

  • @XtremeConditions
    @XtremeConditions 5 років тому

    Wow... Huge improvement. Just sucks that most won't necessarily bother or feel confident doing this mod. Thermal paste replacement has always been a winner for me, but like you said, it doesn't seem to perform any better on it's own without the additional pressure, right? If I should end up grabbing a blower model for whatever reason, I'd probably try this out. Thanks for your guys' great work as always! Also, any way to come close to the 40db with a slight downclock and undervolt and using Radeon Chill?

  • @ryancomeau4485
    @ryancomeau4485 5 років тому

    Thank you for adding in error bars and talking about margin of error.

  • @zoltanbalint8681
    @zoltanbalint8681 5 років тому +4

    The spring effect of the bracket can be increased if you bend all 4 legs with 2 pliers. So it needs much more force to push it down and you also avoid bending the pcb this way.

  • @NAT9913
    @NAT9913 5 років тому +5

    Sooooooo, I could do the same washer add on to my RX5700 (non XT) and improve the mount as well in theory?

    • @RFLCPTR
      @RFLCPTR 4 роки тому

      yes of course

  • @joker927
    @joker927 5 років тому

    Informative video. You proved that with a little thermal improvement the card is better performing. However I would like to know how the tech behaves under even better cooling (I am thinking of waterblocks) and you haven't even done the easiest thing in either of your GPU review videos and simply turned the fan to 100%.

  • @AutomatedUser
    @AutomatedUser 5 років тому

    if you're curious about whether the die or the cooler is imperfect, what you need are gauge blocks to know for certain.

  • @interlace84
    @interlace84 5 років тому +5

    I hope the right AMD people are watching this and manage to get these improvements into their Radeon cards. The washers won't be a huge added cost/effort and the positive consumer feedback (especially regarding to temp issues) will be worth it.

  • @pandabuttonftw745
    @pandabuttonftw745 5 років тому +23

    really makes you wonder why AMD didn't just do this themselves, it would have made the card review far better...

    • @infi84
      @infi84 5 років тому +3

      the answer is reliability

    • @devilmikey00
      @devilmikey00 5 років тому +8

      Gotta save those pennies to please the shareholders. Corporations are poison.

    • @2000jalebi
      @2000jalebi 5 років тому +2

      Thermal pads don't need to be replaced. Thermal paste will need to be replaced

    • @Viewer19
      @Viewer19 5 років тому +3

      40db measured at an arbitrary 20" and on an open test bench. So install in a case and leave the cover on and you will barley hear the card whoosh, run the latest drivers for the fan curve and of course run games and not Torture Tests so temps will be normal and no throttling will be observed.

    • @infi84
      @infi84 5 років тому +1

      I'm pretty sure the thermal pads are actually a lot more expensive.

  • @ja263
    @ja263 5 років тому

    What happened... A video that isn't 30+ minutes long... WHAT THE...
    Keep up the great work G N team

  • @deCarabas27
    @deCarabas27 5 років тому

    Thanks for the video and all your hard work. I know you guys are slammed with all the releases right now, but do you know when you will post any x570 motherboard reviews? I have yet to hear any official outlets discuss the active cooling on the chipset. I want to see how noisy it is before I decide to buy.

  • @Tom5TomEntertainment
    @Tom5TomEntertainment 5 років тому +83

    That looks like $0.0400001 of thermal paste. Unsubbed.

    • @skullhelmet1944
      @skullhelmet1944 4 роки тому +1

      @@nick-zc9xv so THAT'S what you meant , thanks for clearing that up

  • @debabratasahoo6487
    @debabratasahoo6487 5 років тому +15

    Hey dude, Steve, always been a great fan, please do a Noctua U12 A review. You are probably the only one whose review I would think of as the final.

  • @Brad-k
    @Brad-k 5 років тому

    @Gamers Nexus thanks man for this video.. I know what I'm doing tomorrow!

  • @mjc0961
    @mjc0961 5 років тому

    8:56 - That shade had me like a case fan in a solid front panel case - gasping for air 😂

  • @roochiecooch
    @roochiecooch 5 років тому +3

    Just goes to show how much better partner cards with better coolers will be. I'd just wait for those cards to come out for the RX 5700 XT.

    • @TheTomtah
      @TheTomtah 5 років тому

      Partner cards are months away and will be like 30$ more expensive at minimum.

    • @CharlExMachina
      @CharlExMachina 5 років тому

      @@TheTomtah "months" away? Partner cards will arrive mid august!

    • @Najvalsa
      @Najvalsa 5 років тому

      @@TheTomtah Next month.

  • @dhgodzilla1
    @dhgodzilla1 5 років тому +5

    I hope they watch this & "fix" their Future Made models of this card themselves before rushing to launch next time

    • @almostontimehero5415
      @almostontimehero5415 5 років тому +1

      Or at least released a fancy edition with better cooler and RGB. I'm all about that RGB right now. I like falling asleep to a laser light show.

  • @willnorcott3170
    @willnorcott3170 5 років тому +1

    @3:33 looks like the washer on the left is over the top of those 0402 resistors. Small surface mount components like that are susceptible to cracking and fracturing which alters their properties or causes them to go open circuit completely. It's probably a better idea to find a smaller diameter washer or a small length of tube.

  • @MisterFribble
    @MisterFribble 2 роки тому

    Just acquired a 5700 XT. Thank you for saving my sanity.

  • @JiArumaiti
    @JiArumaiti 5 років тому +8

    The older R9 coolers fit on the 5700/5700xt because the smaller DIY now,you should try that.

    • @thenetpagan
      @thenetpagan 5 років тому +1

      That's a weird suggestion IMO: Radeon R9 Die Size is 438 mm2/359 mm2/212 mm2 and Vega's 255mm2

    • @1toncheese
      @1toncheese 5 років тому

      @@thenetpagan yeah but mounting and spacing is the same again and the GPU generally sits in the same spot on the PCB on every reference full length card.

    • @JiArumaiti
      @JiArumaiti 5 років тому

      @@thenetpagan Go watch the video Of TimmyJoe and you'll see what I'm talking about

  • @ExcedereInInfinitum
    @ExcedereInInfinitum 5 років тому +3

    Nobody:
    RX 5700 XT: IM HOTTER

  • @cracklingice
    @cracklingice 5 років тому

    Looking forward to the hybrid cooling testing.

  • @greebj
    @greebj 5 років тому

    Washers under heatsink legs is a laptop thing, which are usually low pressure mounting from pressure coming only from tensioned arms, worse when it's tripod mounts and multi-die one-piece heatsinks.
    I'm also thinking the process of heating vapour chambers (soldering heatpipes etc to them) increasing their internal pressure, and their thin walls, makes for a bulging effect that requires lapping the mated surfaces afterwards to get them back to flat.

  • @shinymike4301
    @shinymike4301 5 років тому +18

    Nice fix! Waiting for Navi 3rd party cards that are not butt ugly like the AMD ref cards are...phew!!

    • @JensTX
      @JensTX 5 років тому +4

      do you call that brushed aluminium shroud ugly? shame on you!

    • @arnoldshmitt4969
      @arnoldshmitt4969 5 років тому +7

      @@JensTX that blower fan blows

    • @Lionheart1188
      @Lionheart1188 5 років тому

      Ugly? Dafuq you on about... they look fine but performance wise are crap

    • @GilPaulbert
      @GilPaulbert 5 років тому +1

      @@Lionheart1188 depends on what you are using it for

    • @shinymike4301
      @shinymike4301 5 років тому

      @@Lionheart1188 They "look fine" to u, cuz yer Mama is also butt ugly.

  • @p.e.r.c.y
    @p.e.r.c.y 5 років тому +23

    Those washers look dodgy and touching some of the SMDs on the back of the PCB

  • @giovannip.1433
    @giovannip.1433 5 років тому

    Thank you for your investigative research - regardless of manufacturer. It's interesting the mods/improvements required to get more out of electronic components - whether it's solder, paste, convex heat spreaders, uneven surfaces etc. Is it quality control or something else going on? At least the 5700xt costs $399 not $2000 like a 7980xe...

  • @rebel1988us
    @rebel1988us 5 років тому

    Who else is just ready to see the GN hybrid build for this card? I love those videos!

  • @yumidad
    @yumidad 5 років тому +7

    Arctic Cooling confirms cooler compatibility with AMD's Radeon RX 5700 .Source OC3d

    • @donh8833
      @donh8833 5 років тому +1

      Some of the ugliest coolers on the planet. Those fans are Ghetto.

    • @bdhale34
      @bdhale34 5 років тому +1

      @Pohemi Inatica To be perfectly honest if you care about anything other than performance and value in your build you aren't an enthusiast.

    • @Jupiter__001_
      @Jupiter__001_ 5 років тому +1

      @@bdhale34 Yup, obsessing over RGB everywhere and "aesthetic" makes you a ricer, not an enthusiast.

  • @mrhappy5789
    @mrhappy5789 5 років тому +7

    Partner cards will fix all this for me to buy in august

    • @thefilmdirector1
      @thefilmdirector1 5 років тому

      When in august though? Im thinking of buying a 5700 aug 1st, i dont want to wait -_-

    • @mrhappy5789
      @mrhappy5789 5 років тому

      @@thefilmdirector1 Yeah I get a big payment in 1st august so mid august i'll buy. Rx480 can hold out still

  • @nevillecawood3727
    @nevillecawood3727 4 роки тому +1

    Also the grille in the back mounting bracket restricts airflow causing the fan to run in a semi stalled state.
    Lay the case on its side so you can run the card with the plate removed as a test.
    You will see lower temperatures and reduced noise.
    Modding the back mounting bracket with saw and file's, to maximise the opening size is pretty easy.

    • @Creastionist
      @Creastionist 4 роки тому +1

      I have done this without the backplate and it does helps.

  • @BillyBoy444
    @BillyBoy444 5 років тому

    You should sell this a kit on your website - it took a lot of tech savvy people to make a good product but it takes a tech genius to take that good product and make it great.

  • @jagoob
    @jagoob 5 років тому +42

    Can you please compare Radeon image sharpening + anti lag vs dlss for best performance and visual fidelity.

    • @4.0.4
      @4.0.4 5 років тому +7

      That's like comparing unsharp mask to waifu2x.

    • @alb9229
      @alb9229 5 років тому +8

      Wouldn't make any sense since those are not meant to adress the same problem !

    • @Krazie-Ivan
      @Krazie-Ivan 5 років тому

      Hard to compare visuals that Nvidia doesn't draw in-order to gain fps (Forza screenshots).

    • @jagoob
      @jagoob 5 років тому

      @Alex Davies I've seen other channels test 1440p + ris vs true 4k and say the quality was very similar. So even though they can have different uses you would test bfV / ffxv / whatever else has dlss with both features (1440p ris vs "4k" dlss vs true 4k on both) with 5700xt and rtx 2070 super. This could show if either could do a "4k like" experience at high frames without spending 2080ti bucks.

    • @donh8833
      @donh8833 5 років тому

      It's no different than an upscaler on your tv. X Y Tap scale with bilinear or trilinear (depending on noise function) and then apply a sharp filter matrix to harden edges. It can be processed as the buffer flip is called.

  • @thatlithornet6421
    @thatlithornet6421 5 років тому +20

    Blows my mind, you can engineer a graphics card with billions of transistors. Can't make a decent cooler.

    • @CaveyMoth
      @CaveyMoth 5 років тому +5

      This cooler blows.

  • @St0RM33
    @St0RM33 4 роки тому +1

    Hey Steve, I wonder where did you buy the Fujifilm Prescale paper? Is
    anyone selling sheets instead of a complete roll? Also which pressure
    range one did you use?

  • @blindaimbot9667
    @blindaimbot9667 5 років тому

    every day i am learning something new. great idea. but i am sad for that warranty sticker.

  • @johnashby9660
    @johnashby9660 5 років тому +3

    Thank you for this video. My 5700XT arrived today and had be contemplating returning ever since it shipped. This video puts my mind at ease.
    P.S. I am one of those idiots that loves the design of this cooler.

    • @dogboy0912
      @dogboy0912 5 років тому

      I think it looks quite nice as well tbh.

  • @AlliedGame
    @AlliedGame 5 років тому +6

    Could yall do a video adding a custom triple fan cooler and checking the different in thermals!?!?! The fan kit is called "ARCTIC Accelero Xtreme IV High-End Graphics Card Cooler"

  • @lucasredmond9778
    @lucasredmond9778 5 років тому

    Honestly if you guys released a screwdriver kit similar to ifixit's i would immediately buy one. I feel like the full sized screwdrivers in your current kit currently limits the usability for general teardown usage (e.g. security torx bits/t5 and whatnot). If anything with interchangeable bits were released I'd be first in line. Love you guys though❤

  • @Xstewminatorgames
    @Xstewminatorgames 5 років тому

    I did this on my card literally last night! I can verify the results here, makes a huge difference!

  • @Aggnog
    @Aggnog 5 років тому +21

    Its great how a billion dollar company causes problems that a few dudes can fix with gumballs.

  • @rajkumarsteel
    @rajkumarsteel 5 років тому +3

    Could you kindly try sanding the GPU. Then try. Maybe things will be better. My order is on hold for the time being. If okay, then will purchase.

    • @musguelha14
      @musguelha14 5 років тому

      The GPU? You sand the cooler, not the GPU.

  • @stephenmaggard1280
    @stephenmaggard1280 5 років тому

    I can confirm this works with the 50th Anniversary card as well, 30 minutes in Heaven benchmark and max Junction temp reached 109, but averaged 106, and the temp averaged 85, while maxing at 86. Also clock speed averaged 1900Mhz without modifying any settings during the run.

  • @kensg
    @kensg 3 роки тому

    Wow..thank you good information.

  • @Hostilenemy
    @Hostilenemy 5 років тому +27

    4 cents for a thermal paste? Steve, this isn't 1958.

    • @GamersNexus
      @GamersNexus  5 років тому +10

      4 cents for washers. Lots of people have paste already!

    • @bb2ridder757
      @bb2ridder757 5 років тому +6

      Wait it ain't 1958.

    • @dogboy0912
      @dogboy0912 5 років тому +2

      What *beats wife*
      Do you *smokes 3 packs of cigarettes*
      Mean *sprays DDT*
      It's not 1958?

    • @BloodshedRomance
      @BloodshedRomance 5 років тому

      @@GamersNexus can confirm. Have a full tube of Corsair thermal paste. They sell it at the local best buy and is actually pretty good. Got lower temps using it when I replaced my noctua paste after 4ish years so I figured id keep a spare on hand.

    • @dogboy0912
      @dogboy0912 5 років тому

      @jonny j are you implying I don't have a time machine or enjoy the classic music of the super decade?

  • @AjdamusMagnus
    @AjdamusMagnus 5 років тому +4

    Just one question - how is possible that card leaves AMD like that? Like Steve solves problem that AMD should right? Like wtf

  • @z1mt0n1x2
    @z1mt0n1x2 5 років тому

    There's a new thin pad you can buy to replace paste, Carbonaut Thermal Pad, also from Grizzly :)

  • @lonholmberg8776
    @lonholmberg8776 5 років тому

    Why not try to infuse the carbon pad with thermal paste? Will that option improve the results and contact area? What about copper shims and thermal paste? Lapping? Just some thoughts and video ideas...:) Great work as always!!!

  • @ujiltromm7358
    @ujiltromm7358 5 років тому +19

    People: "I stopped watching GN because they don't give AMD cards a fair shake."
    This video: exists.

    • @bdhale34
      @bdhale34 5 років тому

      @@vyor8837 I can only think of three outlets that do.

  • @SireDragonChester
    @SireDragonChester 5 років тому +4

    Feels like Navi was rushed some as cooler should have been better design. Consumer shouldn’t have to fix there own mistake. While love zen 2 are better and Navi is better. AMD should fix them

    • @alextaylor9746
      @alextaylor9746 5 років тому

      Makes people buy after market amd always have bad gpu colors recently anyway

  • @peterjansen4826
    @peterjansen4826 5 років тому

    Good job on solving this bad cooling in MacGyver style. :)

  • @jameswhichard6636
    @jameswhichard6636 5 років тому +1

    works great 160 score with wattman run 2130 mhz no fan noise at all i would use conductonaut the best thermal paste

  • @floriancupsan1246
    @floriancupsan1246 5 років тому +7

    better temps = higher boost at 100%fan spd????

    • @sadgardevoir3734
      @sadgardevoir3734 5 років тому +1

      That's only the case with Nvidia cards with GPU boost (basically it scales your clock speed to your temps) with AMD cards you are fine as long as you aren't throttling (although running at 100% fan speed can help you achieve higher overclocks with the increased cooling)

    • @Dr.WhetFarts
      @Dr.WhetFarts 5 років тому +1

      @@sadgardevoir3734 wrong, nvidia uses power and temps. putting a nvidia card to 100% fan speed will do NOTHING for performance, because they are already below throttling temp. simply by changing powerlimits you can archieve +10% perf without doing anything else. navi cards throttle on several parameters not just temp.

  • @wishbone8275
    @wishbone8275 5 років тому +3

    sorry tech jesus..i changed my mind im gonna be waiting until early 2020 for the STRIX 5950xt card instead

    • @billygray8863
      @billygray8863 5 років тому

      same card. i like it anyway. how much you buy it for?

    • @wishbone8275
      @wishbone8275 5 років тому

      @@billygray8863 it was like 200 something when i got my 480 card YEARS ago..

  • @UltimateNox
    @UltimateNox 5 років тому

    nice work

  • @hithereperson8137
    @hithereperson8137 4 роки тому

    Those cards are sooo good looking

  • @1992sommer
    @1992sommer 5 років тому +4

    Easiest solution: just buy the Arctic Accelero Xtreme III or Arctic Accelero Xtreme IV Rev.2 (ca. 50 $ / €) ... No disturbing noises and far better temperatures are the result!

  • @Quetzalcoatl0
    @Quetzalcoatl0 5 років тому +5

    SO this is fine, but intels not soldering it's CPUs is a major sin.
    NICE.

    • @DJ_CROFTY
      @DJ_CROFTY 5 років тому +2

      Quetzalcoalt ryzen is better

  • @jean3030
    @jean3030 5 років тому

    He's back!

  • @mikaljan316
    @mikaljan316 5 років тому

    nice video! i repasted my rx 5700 xt with the added washer mod