My favorite thing about the pre sequel was the roster. Also, how talkative your characters were. The skill trees were great too, and so were the colors. Gameplay was solid and I didn’t mind the oxygen.
Yeah TPS was the first game where we saw the playable Hunter's personalities. We didn't learn much of anything about the Lilith's bunch until 2, and most of what we learned about 2's Hunters was a handful of ECHOlogs in the last half of the game and their Idle dialogues.
@@Chokah Gaige has her backstoray on youtube only, which is awesome. Her father's voice actor sounds very familiar, but I can't put a name to that voice, and it is infuriating me to no end.
I don't think Pre-Sequel deserved all the hate it got, but it's definitely understandable WHY people hated it, what with the lack of content and the questionable gameplay decisions made. I think it was summed up best at the GDQ Co-Op speedrun of the game; "It has every right to be a better game than BL2, it just isn't."
...Garbage SJW social agendas, bad writing (which happens when you have SJWs working on your game), long, unfocused plot that drags on and accomplishes nothing other than ruining a bunch of established characters... Awkward and often mediocre skills, lots of half assed mechanics, some of the new additions are nice but they're altogether overshadowed by an assortment of flaws, some that aren't even new and should have been fixed a long time ago (wonky vehicle physics and moon buggies don't mix). Oh, and it's absolutely unfunny. The humor of BL2 is just gone altogether. Again, letting SJWs write pretty much destroys any potential a game can have. People who live inside a delusional ideological funhouse world can't write anything even remotely relatable, and thus they can't write humor. It's certifiably a stinker. The ONLY thing the game does better than BL2 is the scaling. Which is what killed BL2 for me. BL2 had some frankly garbage problems in the gameplay department too, but it's a rare case of writing and setting saving an otherwise fundamentally flawed game. That simply wasn't there for TPS.
@@spiderjeranimo4992 I'm not surprised, and frankly, it's already on my sh!tlist. I'm boycotting almost anything that so much as touches the Epic store.
@@HaveYouTriedGuillotines kind of confused. I thought it was short, and singularly focused on getting back on the space station to regain control of the laser.
Same it took me call of duty all the new ones to relise that call of duty ghosts was a great story but never had a proper sequel not gonna lie I still want a sequel to ghosts
@@jonathanoxlade4252 yeah I agree I don’t think ghost was terrible and I actually really liked extinction obv it’s not as good as zombies but the potential was there and coulda set the stage for a new game mode instead of every cod being the same modes
@@Archive385 exactly like wonderlands using the same engine as 3, but just being a much worse version of 3. It added spells and nerfed every item it copied, added a small amount of new stuff, and started with less than half as much stuff as 3 started with
@@frankiecedeno3724 Foolish, it's not just "reusing an engine". It reuses assets and code for BL2 as well. You can literally get items that should not be obtainable in TPS using 3rd party programs. This is ignoring the already existing items which are just reskins or even just renames of items from BL2. The only thing that makes sense is how lazy the developers were. Thanks for incorrecting me!
I love TPS. My favourite part is the characters, I love how it doesn’t follow the classic siren/soldier/sniper/meleee that both Bl1 and 2 follow. I also like how some of the characters are morally better than others and throughout Jacks decent to madness we get to see this. It’s a shame we got no further DLC as I would’ve loved the direction they may have took Nisha, Aurelia (before BL3) and Athena
Couldnotic I just don’t think we know enough about them, Moze’s backstory has potential and could lead to some sort of war against Vladof. I definitely think the problem is we just don’t know enough abt them. Gameplay wise I like Zane Moze and Flak however I can’t comment on Amara as I haven’t finished the story w her
I personally loved the game. Only a step below BL2 imo. You can see pre-sequel influence in BL3 as well: slam attacks, digi-clones and a drone for Zane, cryo stuck around as well
@@guilhermehank4938 it's one clone that's more a random feature of his kit, but he also has a lot of other previous characters skills (Axton's shield, Wilhelm drone and laser canon, etc.) That being said, the unique synergy of all those skills plus clone teleporting made him feel a helluva lot more unique than any of those other characters gameplay wise (shame though that the game doesn't really have NPCs uniquely acknowledge each character like they did in bltps).
My second favourite borderlands game behind 2 personally. Blasphemy regarding the original, I know, but something about this game man, I absolutely love it.
Just imagine if TPS came out in the Year 2020. I can just see alot of Borderlands players taking to the streets rioting over the lack of content in TPS...
Exactly! To many solid games (including this one) we're cut short because people can't handle that 20% of the content doesn't line up with their expectations.
Honestly the story of the Pre-Sequel Is probably the darkest story out of the entire series, you witness some pretty shocking stuff through out the game, especially seeing 3 innocent scientists who only wanted to help then getting thrown Into space to die.
i freaking loved the pre-sequel. played it for the first time in 2019 and im still playing with friends from time to time. its a great game that doesn't deserve the hate.
My dad enjoyed it but thought the xp progression was messed up. I agree that the xp scaling and progression is messed up as you level up fairly slowly without lots of farming. I go t to the Sentinel at level 44 (TVHM) and I had to farm RK5 for several levels so I wouldn't be underleveled.
@@snakeywakey3893 i remember that happening to me somewhat in BL2 as well if i didn't do any farming in that playthrough but i usually did anyway for dpuh and stuff so i was usually ready for the warrior. less so for zarpedon and the sentinel in TPS tho
You pretty much hit the nail on the head on this one. I feel pretty much the same, as a Borderlands fan for many years, I too think this game is way underrated. It had a rough start, like for a long while but all ended well in the end with patches. Also the community patch for this game was pretty good, it's what made me rerun the game a couple of times again in anticipation of BL3. Also.... Lasers....
"You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain", This quote fits Handsome Jack so well after Pre-Sequel because during, we see his decent into madness first hand.
My biggest issue with borderlands 3 is the lack of endgame content, we are approaching one year into its life cycle and we only have 2 takedowns. Another issue is how long/tedious the story feels if you're doing all the characters
Yeah I agree. I'd say the story felt tedious with just playing with one character. Mechanically it's a good game, but the game feels tired and seems to lack the charm that the other ones had.
The story felt non existent. Gameplay is fantastic but the story is trash. The DLCs have a more in depth story. It only takes a few hours to run thru the game with each character.
Takedowns are the biggest waste of time. I can't believe how excited people get for them. The worst thing about Borderlands 3 was how boring the combat was, I definitely don't want to spend my time to go through ANOTHER enemy gauntlet. What BL3 really needed was an incentive to do anything. Enemies were too easy, no point in getting better weapons, the story was a dumpster fire, no reason to play through it, and the character trees are pretty dull, no reason to level up. BL3 was so close to being an awesome game but they traded their fantastic cast and interesting world building for a really watered down coming of age story dominated by stronk women. It is also pretty stupid that the story completely ignores the player character and instead pretend Lilith and the little girl actually contributed. I'm generally not a fan of the idea that a game isn't good because they don't keep adding more things to do after you've beaten the game. That's a silly motivation to play a game, especially when there's already plenty to challenge yourself with. A game isn't good because it just isn't good.
Fighting Bosun was a pain when I was a few levels too low. I'm so glad Red and Belly were farmable, because I don't think you can farm Deadlift or Flameknuckle
Deadlift is farmable but not flame knuckle, I got the games recently and have been loving them so much than in less than 2 years I’ve racked up over 1,000 hours combined of PS, BL2, Tales, and BL1 enhanced. The only game that comes close to those hours is team fortress 2, a game I’ve had for over 3 years and have collectively over 1,600 hours in.
@@FrahdChikun sadly, the holodome used up one of the only DLCs we could've gotten. If we got that luxy DLC instead of holodome, the game would be much better over all. If i ever play the pre-sequel again, it'll be to replay the claptastic voyage (best DLC of the franchise IMO)
I love claptastic voyage, it has funny enemy names, cool weapons and probably the best boss fight in the entire game. I can't think of a boss with an arena as big as Shadowtrap's.
Good analysis. The music, story and space scenes were amazing! I think this game at this point in time will become more popular for what it has. Much like how some movies do better years later far after their initial release.
I think I liked this because I went in expecting it to suck cos of the backlash. When I realized Wilhelm's voice was becoming more robotic is when I realized the game is fantastic not just good
i like pre sequel because vault hunters were voiced, and because every story characters addressed you by name, not just "vault hunter" as they did it in Borderlands 1 and 2
The game feels short yet slow like I spent more time in the game trying to get to places then playing. The story is a good idea see John before becoming Handsome Jack but when a mini boss feels more like the final boss you messed up
Pre-Sequel is great. In some parts it's still the best game in series. The skill trees are very well-designed, new mechanics are unique to the shooters in general (Oz kits, cryo, lasers) and the story greatly complements B2 in amazing space decorations.
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I got reeeeeealy comfortable with the “lightsaber” lasers that are in the game on my first and only run with Athena, probably wouldn’t have been as good as it was without the character but still one of the most fun and unique weapons I’ve used in these games.
I feel like the nail in the coffin for this game was the release of Destiny 1 month later. It had problems, but at least it had farming. I remember the BL UA-camrs turning to Destiny content or going back to Borderlands 2.
I bought the handsome collection for switch and I’m playing the pre sequel first. The bosses are still annoying and punishing if you’re under levelled, the moon is very boring to traverse with not enough fast travel stations or cars. The story though is good, I like that it’s Australian which is unique for Borderlands and still has the amazing humour
I loooved pre-sequel. I'm a mark for double jumps in any game. Especially considering in the previous entries, I spent so much time scaling walls and cliffs purely for exploration and looking for secrets. This just took that to a new level. My other big love for this game was some of the characters. Idk if it's just by circumstance or what, but in every borderlands, the best legendaries I would find always ended up being revolvers. So playing with Nisha felt right at home and pretty much op with her ability. Claptrap was great at keeping things fresh in single player. Really incentivizing having a wide array of weaponry. My two favorite classes of Borderlands are snipers and sirens. I've also always gravitated toward ice element in any medium. So Aurelia felt like she was made just for me. Strangest thing to hear for me is that the general consensus positives are laser guns and Jack. I don't dislike either one, but neither of them really stood out to me. But to each their own I suppose.
Things I love abt bl3: Takedowns. So many diffrent weapons and unique sounds to them. The movement and gunplay is top tier. All the dlc's where amazing and just keept getting better. Things I hate: Lack of single raidbosses like in the older games. Anointmens are a great idea on paper but i feel like its ruining the legendary weapons in this game. they dont feel rare at all, and the anointment are so strong its more important then the gun itself. Lack of diffrent bulds and good class mods on some of the charaters. Game is a bit to easy for my taste (too much powercreep)
I wouldn't hold my breath about lack of raid bosses because there's been speculation of more DLC things to come after DLC 4 and the season pass ends. I would love to see if they could add more DLC Campaign expansion, i mean Borderlands 2 did it when it came to DLC 5. I strongly feel like gearbox is doing a much better job when it comes to adding raid bosses because rather then having to pay for them, like they have with previous title, they become free for everybody. I dont know if Gearbox would even consider adding raid bosses in paid DLCs again.
@@UnClonable yeah but then there's gonna be some of those people that would be pissed off because Raid Bosses are locked behind a paywall. I would want to see Gearbox make more DLC expansions like another 4 more DLCs for a 2nd season pass or something. Borderlands 3 file size isn't all that big compared to other games that go over 150gb storage, Borderlands 3 is sitting around almost at 100gb. So Borderlands 3 wouldn't suffer on more DLC content after DLC 4.
I hope they don't put raid bosses behind a pay wall. That's what they did in bl2 and I like the only thing you're missing out on are a few weapons if you don't get the dlc. The strongest weapons drop from the raid bosses that everyone has access to. I'd really like it if they added some new characters to play as but they keep saying they won't.
@@toxicavenger6172 yeah but that was only when Borderlands 2 was still around at the time but when they released like some game of the year edition or The Handsome Collection you don't did pay extra for them because all of addons were included except for the Commander Lilith DLC but if you were lucky enough last year it was free. But i strongly think that Gearbox has taken a different approach when adding raid bosses, i know for a fact that secret door that still locked has to be a Raid boss it has been speculated that it might be like another Verivimus / Varkid boss.
Wilhelm is the best example of a simple character have ever seen, personality wise. I love how he barely gives a shit about anything, unless money is on the table. His quick one liners are great. His personal echo log says it all.
Thing that makes me stop playing after first playthrough was not finding single legendary throughout whole game except one granade in vending machine( i wasn't farming, just story progress). Even Sentinel didn't drop anything.
This was my first game I played from the series, and I played couch coop with a friend. For us it was a blast and played the hell out of it. So I think if you set aside all the hype,comparison etc. its a hell of a game
This is my favorite game of the series. It has my favorite set of Vault Hunters and it's made even better by the fact that they actually talk throughout the campaign. I know the BL2 crew got to speak a little in the DLCs, but Pre-Sequel really shows off their personalities.
I actually like it, I found the combat more dynamic thanks to the low-G and Oz kits (overall a lot of the levels just feel more three-dimensional than a lot of BL2 did). The only thing I didn't like was that there was less variety of enemies than there was in BL2.
Glitched weapons were the greatest. The Claptrap DLC was also one of the best DLC's from the older Borderlands. Had a cool story, built on the world in really interesting ways, explains why claptrap isn't a vault hunter in BL2, and had one of the cooler worlds. Also, I think some of the ways in which the world of that DLC moved and changed in exploring his memories helped inform some of how they wanted to handle TTW's world, there's a lot of similarities there.
The thing that made me give up on the game was that I bought the base game and season pass, and they had the audacity to make the first couple of DLC releases basically wave modes. That's when I just stopped playing. Took me several years before I gave it another shot.
I think people keep forgetting the first year of the game, its why the game was hated so bad, the game a year later got fixes and respawnable bosses, but by then we all moved on, you cant release a broken game and use a year to fix it and expect people to forgive it, i think the game after that became a really good game, but it was awful for that first year and ill never forgive them for that
One part that i absolutly love about presequel, is Athenas gameplay. In fact, it's the most fun i've ever had in a borderlands ! Slashing around with Alpis up, criting an enemy with excalibastard to apply the cryo, then strike twice, and going to an other mob, while throwing an alpis with 4 element on a random mob and killing four guy with one throw.... Man, i love Melee Athenas.
I actually didn't like the Sentinel as much as the Warrior. I can't really put my finger on why though. I just found the Warrior more fun to fight and farm.
@@PharaohTrebilClef I think because it was monotonous more than anything. Mainly the same attacks,just different elemental damage. The giant form was the same way.
The sentinel is the best final boss of the entire franchise because there was a NEED for fighting strategy to change mid fight. Where as all other bosses are the same... Find the spot on the map you're least likely to get hurt on, shoot the glowy bit and it dies...
As someone who played TPS last year and didn't touch it since beating the story, I honestly loved it at first. Cryo was more interesting than Slag, lasers were cool, and the space setting made gameplay a bit more interesting. Hell, even the vault hunters having small bits of dialogue with characters was great. The main thing that really made me annoyed by the end was the enemy scaling as mentioned in the video (Dear god I've never felt so punished being on par with quests), and the pacing of the story has felt the worst in the series. Going to the Hyperion space station felt like a great climax in the story... only for you to spend half of the game in there, with main quests jumping up as much as 3 levels at a time. I got so sick of running basically every quest just to try to stay on par that I started farming Darksiders. It's the only Borderlands game where I resorted to grinding for convenience.
Man the fact that T.K. Baha didnt have his shotgun in the DLC discerned me, it was his first impression in borderlands 1 even tho this was my minor detail haha, I loved the overlook part of the dlc and the game in general well I'm a casual player I loved it very much
a couple things i hate about bl3: 1: i personally feel that there aren't allot of unique builds per character (accept flak but people mainly only use crit and maybe gamma) 2: atm just personally lack of content (but cant hold that against it atm cus its still newish so could easily get allot more and yes i'm comparing to bl2)
@@T-Jex While I see what you’re saying, Fight for Sanctuary for BL2 came out in June of 2019. A little under 7 years past the initial release of BL2. So, we’ve still got a lot of time for BL3.
1. Not enough variety on class mods, the eridian vanquisher, legendary and celestial class mods felt shallow and not unique. 2. Unique enemies and mini bosses felt drab uninteresting 3. I have nothing against Australian culture, but I can never understand all the Aussie humor and puns these game presents.
@@rdu239 eridian vanquisher and chronicler of elpis class mods are really underwhelming. However, I would disagree on the celestial ones. Some are actually quite unique and others are game-breaking.
Ironically This is my favorite borderlands game Kept the borderlands 2 style jokes and story But imroved the skill trees , weapons and gameplay . I actually really liked 0 gravity gameplay , slam and boosters . Also i really liked freeze over slag + lasers are super cool
I can verify from my own experiences that you are correct. I farmed Iwajira when I played the game because that was the only place I can get myself a legendary within a reasonable time. It was the only boss I did farm, as I didn't know they ever made other bosses farmable. Glitch weapons were not explained in the game that I can remember and they were hard to find, so most of the time, you would be switching it out for a new weapon as you level.
I'm replying the pre sequel rn as Timothy. I've never had the chance to play the extra content for it until now. And I'm enjoying the hell out of it personally feels like I'm playing it for the first time again.
In borderlands 3 The only things I really enjoy are the movement and most of the quality of life changes. Everything else just feels worse. The fact that almost everything was a world drop on release, the lack of raid bosses and the un-fun mayhem mode killed the late game for me. I also hear that the late game is still not fun and that most guns are underpowered. The guns look "off" in borderlands 3, they look more rounded, too futuristic(compared the the previous games) and very similar to each other, I want to know if other people feel this way about the guns or if I'm just crazy. The main story's villains are generic and annoying, I know that hitting the same greatness as handsome jack would be almost impossible, but they could of at least tried. The main story itself feels like it's missing something, beyond good villains, It also just dropped the plot set up by borderlands TPS(Which I was really invested in), and it drags on for way too long. There was multiple times where I was just hoping it would end so that I could stop playing. SPOILERS Borderlands 3's plot just does so many things I hate. Lilith as a character I hated more and more as the series went on to the point of rejoicing when she "died". Maya's death felt like it was made just to copy Roland death, and to make the villains more hate-able. Avia isn't that bad of a character I just hate how she only exists to replace Maya. Troy almost got interesting as a villain, but it was already way too late in the game. Tannis gets a little more interesting but then she just kind of stops. and I could see all the twists from a mile away, they were just so generic. I've watched a playthrough of DLC 1 and somewhat enjoyed it, because handsome jack is a great character. I played DLC 2 and mostly enjoyed it's plot. DLC 3 looks extremely generic and boring and I've heard/seen almost nothing about it. and DLC 4 looks like claptastic voyage + Krieg so I'm excited about that, but I was really hoping for a sequel to assault on dragon keep DLC. I plan on playing through borderlands 3 again once dlc 4 drops and/or when they stop updating the game, because I feel like most gameplay problems will or have been be fixed with patches, and if not then I'll just wait for modders to fix it. The game's plot and gameplay are so close yet so far to being great. I can only hope that the DLC's plot and game patches fix this game up.
As someone who loved the Pre-Sequel and to live through the controversy. Simply put 1) absolutely no one wanted a Pre-Sequel after Borderlands 2 we wanted a continuation of the characters we had grown to love 2) absolutely no one liked the idea of an oxygen mechanic 3) the world felt empty and there was nothing to farm at any game or even halfway into the game besides from one volcano boss
The game was cool. The additions to the gameplay was a pretty welcome thing, and the story helped a lot to give more about old and actual characters from borderlands 1 and 2. Offering a narration for improve the Athena arc, giving the origin story of Jack and also introducing Timothy that is for me one of the rare cool characters on Borderlands 3.
The worst part about the game for me was the low gravity. Honestly I loved playing the game especially using Athena but the low gravity really made the flow slow down unless the movement was intentional. Most of the time you'll leave the ground after moving over a lip on the ground and you'll slowly make your way to the ground. I also thought the but slam system was just not usefull enough much like the ground slam in Bl3.
I will say, one important thing about TPS to me is that I think it has THE best story/leveling experience. It has no endgame, this is undeniably true, but since I never really cared much for the endgame of this series anyway TPS is honestly my favorite of the games. At the least, I'll certainly say as such as many days as I'll say 2 is. The replayability of each character is great, since they ALL feel extremely unique both amongst each other and just in design compared to the rest of the series. I'd say Wilhelm is the most conventional character, but even he has a lot of really fun things going on-I ADORE the way his blue tree works. Having your character visibly and AUDIBLY descend deeper into his mechanization is...good God, it's so good. TPS did something no other game in the series has yet, where the NPCs talk TO you, and that's amazing. Sure, BL2 and BL3 have responses from your character, but TPS is the only game where the NPCs will actually acknowledge your character specifically and talk to you during the story. That makes the story feel so much more alive as you replay, even if nothing severe changes. I think this one thing would make me like playing through BL3's story so much more. The BL3 vault hunters, I'm realizing more, are all REALLY great characters. They're fun! They're a _lot_ of fun. But there's so much less room for them to show that when nobody reacts to who they are, they're just The Vault Hunter.
I loved the low gravity and ozkit stuff, as well as playing ClapTrap :) Cryo weapons were crazy, especially Frozen frigya (or something similar, a SMG, that had 30% freeze chance). And Glitch weapons were just mad haha. Also the final boss in the Claptastic Voyage DLC - just recently played it on our PS5, on Ultimate VH difficulty, at lvl 70, what an utterly annoying boss haha (still managed to kill it though, but the fight can be pretty challenging, depending what characters you play. Was definitely a bit easier on split-screen 2 x ClapTrap coop ;> ).
BLTPS has the best vault hunters and the greatest DLC in the franchise. Also highly influential and key in some of the things that were great in BL3. PreSequel Cryo led to BL3 cryo, and lasers and slams were some of the best features in the PS .
Two major things were the problem, the game play loop wasn't the same as BL2. In borderlands 2 Every mission ended with a warp point to the home base or it ended where it started. It always felt like you were moving forward even when you back tracking. The second issue was that farming was messed up
SeltrixBL Exactly PreSequel Story is way better as well as Character Interactions but Bo3 gameplay is smooth and raw as hell. Pre Sequel gameplay get redundant with the Zero Gravity.
With the release of Tiny Tina's recently, I've decided to go back and replay the entire BL series. I just finished BL 1 Remaster with all DLC's (think I had previously cleared it all before), and am about 15 hours into BL 2 (spent over 300 hrs on this before, and def finished it all but still love it). Next comes BL: TPS (only played about 20 hrs, so can't wait to experience it all) , Tales of Borderlands (never played), BL 3 (30 hrs completed only, but will gladly start from scratch) and finally Tiny Tina's Wonderlands, which I hear great things. I never get tired of the BL series.
I think the name of my favorite gun was the Fast Talker. Especially in cryo because you could super quickly freeze a group of enemies and then choose which ones to whittle down
I'd like to clarify my position on PreSequel. I had a lot of fun with the game. Moonstone was a cool addition, Laser weapons were fantastic, and my weapon of choice, since I was a Wilhelm main, Grinder was frustrating at times, but fantastic balance to the economy. The thing I hated was the Raid Boss was just a repeat of the final boss, it wasn't even more difficult. After 2 put so much effort into their raid bosses, to only have one raid boss that was...just the final boss again, really made me feel unhappy with the overall game, since that is the last thing you experience when you play it
I just finished The Pre-Sequel. Gotta say, I was expecting Borderlands 2 but less. In a way, it kinda is. It has some of the worst large maps that makes travelling a chore, sometimes is too easy to fall into pits, and two or three NPCS had some of the most boring dialogue ever wrote. But heck, when the game gets good it really GETS GOOD. I love the intro in Helios and the background music, all the Felicity Plot-line was amazing, and fun (including the maps), and Hyperion Hall of Heroes-R&D is trully fun to move around. The Endgame is good, with the best Boss of a Borderlands game (i must say i haven't played 3 yet), and the way it ends is actually really nice. And the Claptastic Voyage happens and HOLY FUCK thats an awesome DLC. The Glitched weapons are great to use, the story and writting is quite nice, the world inside Claptrap is fantastic, with Fyrestone and Overlook back, and the final Bosses... Oh boi, the final Bosses. A nice experience all around. The less things to do post-game is actually kinda nice with all the maps and DLCs in BL2.
I played a lawbringer and got a glitch sniper rifle which activated a rapid fire/burst mode and the effect carried on to my other weapons until i shot again with that snipet rifle. I always shot around to activate the glitch effect and then switched to my two jakobs revolvers. They would fire like burst rifle SMG's but because jakobs can fire as fast as you can hit the trigger, they just spat out bullets at an incredible rate. Think the butcher shotgun but as two revolvers. Pair that with the aimbot skill and some effects which make you consume less ammo and you're dealing risiculous damage.
-The roster on release felt fresh and and didn't feel like BL1 characters with slight changes. -The majority of the game took place on the goddamn moon! -The vaulthunters speaking more and getting reactions from events in the main story or sidequests. -Laser weapons -Elpis being space Australia
I can answer this question in 2 seconds: Lack of content and lack of dedicated drops. 2k Australia went under before they could finish a second story DLC, plus Claptastic Voyage never had any raid bosses and the base game only had 1 that was just a harder version of the final boss, and while I think the intention of not making many dedicated drops was to make it closer to BL1 and they tried to compensate by having vendors constantly filled with blue and purple rarity weapons and you could always use the grinder to get a random legendary of a certain type if you knew the recipe it still kind sucks that you can't have access to your favorite weapons without even more farming than BL2. I loved the story, I loved the playable characters, I thought the enhanced mobility that low gravity added was incredibly fun. I even think the lack of dedicated drops thing could be ignored if it got even half the amount of extra content BL2 got because mechanically it's so much better.
Honestly, TPS is my favorite Borderlands game for multiple reasons: 1. The characters actually had conversations with the NPCs, featuring different voice lines and different responses; BL2 had zero reaction from your character and BL3 did a step back with having the NPCs react witht he same sentence everytime (this caused the player characters voice lines to feel like the same sentence just said differently). 2. The game was overall more balanced and challenging, BL2 and BL3 on normal playthrough were WAY too easy, I didnt even know that the Constructors from BL2 could launch NUKES, because we always killed them in seconds... BL2 only became challenging on the 3rd playthrough, which was also kinda anoying, because you NEEDED to use Slag, because in in the 3rd playthrough it reduces HP to only a 3rd and otherwise the enemies would have too much hp.... BL3 also had horrible balancing, with most bosses only taking SECONDS to beat 3. Legendaries and rare weapons where actually rare, BL2 was a bit worse in that regard, but nothing compared to BL3, where you get drowned in them; combine that with BL3 legendaries being even more OP and you suddenly dont need to swap your gun anymore for half of the game, or use any other gun than that legendary 4. The skill trees were the most interesting; as others pointed out, there was just something special about the skill tree in TPS, it truly felt like customizing your characters, while in BL2 and 3 the "progress" just doesnt feel that well. 5. Interesting mechanics, as the gun combiner, where you could scrap old guns to build better new ones and the moonshine guns, you could get from the special locked chests. I also like the jetpack system and that you could slam the ground. The one thing I liked about BL3 alot more was the fact that guns felt like guns now and not toys, the sound and feeling was ALOT better in that game. But the thing I hated the most was the horrible story, it felt so extremely forced and had nothing to do with what the Eridian at the end warned them about. How do some bandits pose any threat at all, or more threat compared to a giant corporation that can lanch nukes and highly advanced robots on demand at the planet surface? And where did they even come from to be important? Jack and Hyperion were present in BL1 and basically any game, the entire story of Borderlands was started by Hyperion/Jack. Honestly, the story felt like it was just a flimsy replacement and knowing that the originally wanted to bring back Jack in BL3, I dont think I am wrong...
I played it for the first time not too long ago and the Game felt more like borderlands 1 to me, the Main story anyway, it just felt more gritty like bl1 and the soundtrack too reminded me of it. And the space setting was cool as well, and seeing all the Dahl stuff instead of Hyperion, the posters in Concordia really look cool to me and showed what Dahl is as a mega corporation. That and all the abandoned dahl stuff was just such a cool change from bl2 which I had played many times before.
I love the fact that I was never much online so I didn't knew about how the game was received. By this I was only confused to why the steam reviews weren't good as I had a blast with the game and I this it's the best in the series for me. Only wishing it had as much content as BL2 has due to lack of DLCs.
I always loved the pre-sequel, and since I played the handsome collection as my first borderlands experience, I started with the pre-sequel and then went to BL2 and it flowed really well and each had its own special dynamic, Between Elpis and the Oz Kits and all the Australian influence from 2K Australia, or the cryo and laser weapons I just loved it and then when I played BL2 it still felt fresh and man, I love these games lol
The actual dialogue between your vault hunters and the npcs were really fucken sick. Their dialogue changes too depending on who you choose. WHERE DA FAK DID THAT GO?!
The thing I love about TPS is that they kept the bl2 engine, and the gameplay is the best in the series also imo, I hear a lot of people saying that they "didn't put enough effort" into the game but I look at it of more of an add on game to the series. The pre sequel will forever be one of my favorite games
I worked with folks that tested this at 2K. In 2016 when I noted that I finally checked out the game, they apologized for it's condition. It was different, but not horrible. I think it deserves recognition. Good vid.
This is a very good video! Finally someone who actually voices the same opinion I have of the game. And it's well edited too, with an easy to follow narrative/timeline.
Pre Sequel had the most fun skill trees/action skills of all three the first games. Legit. Fight me on this. Duel pistol wielding, head shotting everything as Nisha? Fuck yes. Reviving a teammate cross map while feeling like captain america. Turning yourself into the literal terminator was awesome too 😂
My favorite thing about the pre sequel was the roster. Also, how talkative your characters were. The skill trees were great too, and so were the colors. Gameplay was solid and I didn’t mind the oxygen.
The only cool playable characters were Wilhelm and Jack the rest sucked ass
Yeah TPS was the first game where we saw the playable Hunter's personalities. We didn't learn much of anything about the Lilith's bunch until 2, and most of what we learned about 2's Hunters was a handful of ECHOlogs in the last half of the game and their Idle dialogues.
@@Chokah Gaige has her backstoray on youtube only, which is awesome. Her father's voice actor sounds very familiar, but I can't put a name to that voice, and it is infuriating me to no end.
Loved wilhelm
@@ilimitadouc 🧢
I don't think Pre-Sequel deserved all the hate it got, but it's definitely understandable WHY people hated it, what with the lack of content and the questionable gameplay decisions made. I think it was summed up best at the GDQ Co-Op speedrun of the game; "It has every right to be a better game than BL2, it just isn't."
...Garbage SJW social agendas, bad writing (which happens when you have SJWs working on your game), long, unfocused plot that drags on and accomplishes nothing other than ruining a bunch of established characters... Awkward and often mediocre skills, lots of half assed mechanics, some of the new additions are nice but they're altogether overshadowed by an assortment of flaws, some that aren't even new and should have been fixed a long time ago (wonky vehicle physics and moon buggies don't mix).
Oh, and it's absolutely unfunny. The humor of BL2 is just gone altogether. Again, letting SJWs write pretty much destroys any potential a game can have. People who live inside a delusional ideological funhouse world can't write anything even remotely relatable, and thus they can't write humor.
It's certifiably a stinker. The ONLY thing the game does better than BL2 is the scaling. Which is what killed BL2 for me. BL2 had some frankly garbage problems in the gameplay department too, but it's a rare case of writing and setting saving an otherwise fundamentally flawed game. That simply wasn't there for TPS.
@@HaveYouTriedGuillotines I will be entirely honest; until I reached the end, I thought you were talking about BL3, because I forgot I commented here.
@@HaveYouTriedGuillotines BL3 is even worse when it comes to SJW writing.
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I'm not surprised, and frankly, it's already on my sh!tlist. I'm boycotting almost anything that so much as touches the Epic store.
@@HaveYouTriedGuillotines kind of confused. I thought it was short, and singularly focused on getting back on the space station to regain control of the laser.
It's crazy how BL3 allowed more people to finally appreciate this game more
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Same it took me call of duty all the new ones to relise that call of duty ghosts was a great story but never had a proper sequel not gonna lie I still want a sequel to ghosts
@@jonathanoxlade4252 Ghost had potential. Still my favorite perk system of any cod, too bad the maps were goofy large on MP.
@@jonathanoxlade4252 yeah I agree I don’t think ghost was terrible and I actually really liked extinction obv it’s not as good as zombies but the potential was there and coulda set the stage for a new game mode instead of every cod being the same modes
The Handsome Jack collection helped too since you got both BL2 & TPS with all the dlc
the extra mobility was such a boon for pre-sequel
I often find myself still trying to double jump when replaying 2
Because the game is so lazily based on BL2 that it literally uses copy-paste, hence you get confused due to how similar the games look and feel.
@@Archive385 exactly like wonderlands using the same engine as 3, but just being a much worse version of 3. It added spells and nerfed every item it copied, added a small amount of new stuff, and started with less than half as much stuff as 3 started with
@@undeadinside3571 it is exactly like that. Honestly crazy to me that they didn't learn from their mistakes here.
@@Archive385 it’s not “lazily based” it’s reusing an engine. It just makes sense.
@@frankiecedeno3724 Foolish, it's not just "reusing an engine". It reuses assets and code for BL2 as well. You can literally get items that should not be obtainable in TPS using 3rd party programs. This is ignoring the already existing items which are just reskins or even just renames of items from BL2. The only thing that makes sense is how lazy the developers were.
Thanks for incorrecting me!
I love TPS. My favourite part is the characters, I love how it doesn’t follow the classic siren/soldier/sniper/meleee that both Bl1 and 2 follow. I also like how some of the characters are morally better than others and throughout Jacks decent to madness we get to see this. It’s a shame we got no further DLC as I would’ve loved the direction they may have took Nisha, Aurelia (before BL3) and Athena
true that. it's weird playing Zane when all I can think of is Jack.
Neverstopz imo the vault hunters in BL3 are very bland and don’t have nearly enough lore around them :(
@@itsatomic0389 oh I agree, I was referring to the clone mechanics
@@itsatomic0389 what's the problem with the Vault Hunters in Borderlands 3
Couldnotic I just don’t think we know enough about them, Moze’s backstory has potential and could lead to some sort of war against Vladof. I definitely think the problem is we just don’t know enough abt them. Gameplay wise I like Zane Moze and Flak however I can’t comment on Amara as I haven’t finished the story w her
I personally loved the game. Only a step below BL2 imo. You can see pre-sequel influence in BL3 as well: slam attacks, digi-clones and a drone for Zane, cryo stuck around as well
Honestly, when I saw Zane, I thought to myself "so he is a Jack's doppelganger RIP off..."
Yeah, but does anyone actually use slam attacks in BL3? Unless you hit the crouch button *right* at the apex of a (normal) jump, it won't register.
@@guilhermehank4938 it's one clone that's more a random feature of his kit, but he also has a lot of other previous characters skills (Axton's shield, Wilhelm drone and laser canon, etc.)
That being said, the unique synergy of all those skills plus clone teleporting made him feel a helluva lot more unique than any of those other characters gameplay wise (shame though that the game doesn't really have NPCs uniquely acknowledge each character like they did in bltps).
@@whisperingshadowXI I think Zane is the most fun vault hunter in the series tbh
My second favourite borderlands game behind 2 personally. Blasphemy regarding the original, I know, but something about this game man, I absolutely love it.
Can you imagine if we got 3 other DLCs on the same level as the Claptastic Voyage? We've gotta take more time before hating things.
Just imagine if TPS came out in the Year 2020. I can just see alot of Borderlands players taking to the streets rioting over the lack of content in TPS...
Exactly! To many solid games (including this one) we're cut short because people can't handle that 20% of the content doesn't line up with their expectations.
What! You mean reacting to something without waiting for all the evidence (all DLCs) is a bad thing!?
@star burns i agree with you. The game started out bad and people judged it fairly.
This is coming from a person who really enjoyed tps.
Claptastic voyage out does most other dlcs in my opinion and is one of my favorites besides the first games dlcs
As a casual player who never grinds much, I loved pre-sequel. The low gravity, laser weapons, and most of all the Australian influence was fantastic.
There was apparently a dlc taking place on a cruise ship full of zombie monsters but it got cancelled and a piece of me died when I heard that
Omg that sounds so unique😭 Those goddamn haters man…
Honestly the story of the Pre-Sequel Is probably the darkest story out of the entire series, you witness some pretty shocking stuff through out the game, especially seeing 3 innocent scientists who only wanted to help then getting thrown Into space to die.
The "Empire Strikes Back" of this saga, maybe...? ;-)
You can't lie, the last chapters had the coolest looking locations for a final area
i freaking loved the pre-sequel. played it for the first time in 2019 and im still playing with friends from time to time. its a great game that doesn't deserve the hate.
My dad enjoyed it but thought the xp progression was messed up. I agree that the xp scaling and progression is messed up as you level up fairly slowly without lots of farming. I go t to the Sentinel at level 44 (TVHM) and I had to farm RK5 for several levels so I wouldn't be underleveled.
@@snakeywakey3893 i remember that happening to me somewhat in BL2 as well if i didn't do any farming in that playthrough but i usually did anyway for dpuh and stuff so i was usually ready for the warrior. less so for zarpedon and the sentinel in TPS tho
Facts i love it too
I bought it when it came out and i play it more now than ever but played it on and off over the years (mostly because i can only play switch now)
You pretty much hit the nail on the head on this one. I feel pretty much the same, as a Borderlands fan for many years, I too think this game is way underrated. It had a rough start, like for a long while but all ended well in the end with patches. Also the community patch for this game was pretty good, it's what made me rerun the game a couple of times again in anticipation of BL3.
Also.... Lasers....
I loved how all the environments in the game looked, especially the later stages and everything in Claptastic Voyage
it was mainly hated because the lvling was so painful, it took so extremely long to get to 70
"You either die a hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain", This quote fits Handsome Jack so well after Pre-Sequel because during, we see his decent into madness first hand.
My biggest issue with borderlands 3 is the lack of endgame content, we are approaching one year into its life cycle and we only have 2 takedowns. Another issue is how long/tedious the story feels if you're doing all the characters
Yeah I agree. I'd say the story felt tedious with just playing with one character. Mechanically it's a good game, but the game feels tired and seems to lack the charm that the other ones had.
The story felt non existent. Gameplay is fantastic but the story is trash. The DLCs have a more in depth story. It only takes a few hours to run thru the game with each character.
I'm a little disappointed that some manufacturers cut out weapons including Hyperion pistols and Tediore Rocket Launches.
Takedowns are the biggest waste of time. I can't believe how excited people get for them. The worst thing about Borderlands 3 was how boring the combat was, I definitely don't want to spend my time to go through ANOTHER enemy gauntlet. What BL3 really needed was an incentive to do anything. Enemies were too easy, no point in getting better weapons, the story was a dumpster fire, no reason to play through it, and the character trees are pretty dull, no reason to level up. BL3 was so close to being an awesome game but they traded their fantastic cast and interesting world building for a really watered down coming of age story dominated by stronk women. It is also pretty stupid that the story completely ignores the player character and instead pretend Lilith and the little girl actually contributed.
I'm generally not a fan of the idea that a game isn't good because they don't keep adding more things to do after you've beaten the game. That's a silly motivation to play a game, especially when there's already plenty to challenge yourself with. A game isn't good because it just isn't good.
@@threemar3 idk man, I think objectively the game is best, there's just so many gameplay features that I find really helpfull
Fighting Bosun was a pain when I was a few levels too low.
I'm so glad Red and Belly were farmable, because I don't think you can farm Deadlift or Flameknuckle
Deadlift is farmable but not flame knuckle, I got the games recently and have been loving them so much than in less than 2 years I’ve racked up over 1,000 hours combined of PS, BL2, Tales, and BL1 enhanced. The only game that comes close to those hours is team fortress 2, a game I’ve had for over 3 years and have collectively over 1,600 hours in.
Fighting the bosun was funny as hell
"Youre a creep mister."
Flameknuckle is only farmamble in the Holodome, he reappears in the repayable Badass round.
@@FrahdChikun sadly, the holodome used up one of the only DLCs we could've gotten. If we got that luxy DLC instead of holodome, the game would be much better over all. If i ever play the pre-sequel again, it'll be to replay the claptastic voyage (best DLC of the franchise IMO)
I liked how the characters felt more alive in the pre sequel.
Never really played past level 10 in the game. Put around 1000 hours into borderlands 2. Put it in tonight really enjoying it.
I loved the presquel. All the characters are amazing and the laser and glitch weapons were great. Oh and the song from the dlc is hilarious.
I love claptastic voyage, it has funny enemy names, cool weapons and probably the best boss fight in the entire game. I can't think of a boss with an arena as big as Shadowtrap's.
Good analysis. The music, story and space scenes were amazing! I think this game at this point in time will become more popular for what it has. Much like how some movies do better years later far after their initial release.
I think I liked this because I went in expecting it to suck cos of the backlash.
When I realized Wilhelm's voice was becoming more robotic is when I realized the game is fantastic not just good
i like pre sequel because vault hunters were voiced, and because every story characters addressed you by name, not just "vault hunter" as they did it in Borderlands 1 and 2
Can we all just take a moment for our girl Felicity?
Jack did her dirty
@@thee_morpheus still hear her pleas to this day 😭
I laughed
After that chapter ive never looked at a constructor in the same way
@@thee_morpheus there was no choice. Elpis had no time
The game feels short yet slow like I spent more time in the game trying to get to places then playing. The story is a good idea see John before becoming Handsome Jack but when a mini boss feels more like the final boss you messed up
Pre-Sequel is great. In some parts it's still the best game in series. The skill trees are very well-designed, new mechanics are unique to the shooters in general (Oz kits, cryo, lasers) and the story greatly complements B2 in amazing space decorations.
the pre sequel has always been my fav borderlands game. i love that it’s basically set in space australia
Just got a new puppy, the shelter gave us a unicorn plushy. My dog, Achilles likes to bite the unicorn plushy in the butt. Of course I named the plushy Buttstallion
I got reeeeeealy comfortable with the “lightsaber” lasers that are in the game on my first and only run with Athena, probably wouldn’t have been as good as it was without the character but still one of the most fun and unique weapons I’ve used in these games.
I feel like the nail in the coffin for this game was the release of Destiny 1 month later. It had problems, but at least it had farming. I remember the BL UA-camrs turning to Destiny content or going back to Borderlands 2.
Ironically the pre sequel is way better than destiny 1
@@guilhermehank4938 Arguable at best.
@@palladiamorsdeus lol
Bro I’m crying after you put a vertical grip quad into the grinder
Claptastic Voyage is my favorite borderlands DLC. It's just so good.
I bought the handsome collection for switch and I’m playing the pre sequel first.
The bosses are still annoying and punishing if you’re under levelled, the moon is very boring to traverse with not enough fast travel stations or cars.
The story though is good, I like that it’s Australian which is unique for Borderlands and still has the amazing humour
I loooved pre-sequel.
I'm a mark for double jumps in any game. Especially considering in the previous entries, I spent so much time scaling walls and cliffs purely for exploration and looking for secrets. This just took that to a new level.
My other big love for this game was some of the characters. Idk if it's just by circumstance or what, but in every borderlands, the best legendaries I would find always ended up being revolvers. So playing with Nisha felt right at home and pretty much op with her ability.
Claptrap was great at keeping things fresh in single player. Really incentivizing having a wide array of weaponry.
My two favorite classes of Borderlands are snipers and sirens. I've also always gravitated toward ice element in any medium. So Aurelia felt like she was made just for me.
Strangest thing to hear for me is that the general consensus positives are laser guns and Jack. I don't dislike either one, but neither of them really stood out to me. But to each their own I suppose.
Things I love abt bl3:
Takedowns.
So many diffrent weapons and unique sounds to them.
The movement and gunplay is top tier.
All the dlc's where amazing and just keept getting better.
Things I hate:
Lack of single raidbosses like in the older games.
Anointmens are a great idea on paper but i feel like its ruining the legendary weapons in this game. they dont feel rare at all, and the anointment are so strong its more important then the gun itself.
Lack of diffrent bulds and good class mods on some of the charaters.
Game is a bit to easy for my taste (too much powercreep)
I wouldn't hold my breath about lack of raid bosses because there's been speculation of more DLC things to come after DLC 4 and the season pass ends. I would love to see if they could add more DLC Campaign expansion, i mean Borderlands 2 did it when it came to DLC 5.
I strongly feel like gearbox is doing a much better job when it comes to adding raid bosses because rather then having to pay for them, like they have with previous title, they become free for everybody. I dont know if Gearbox would even consider adding raid bosses in paid DLCs again.
@@couldnotic I hope ur right, tbh would not mind seeing raidbosses behind dlc's either doe. just adds a more endgame to the dlc's
@@UnClonable yeah but then there's gonna be some of those people that would be pissed off because Raid Bosses are locked behind a paywall. I would want to see Gearbox make more DLC expansions like another 4 more DLCs for a 2nd season pass or something. Borderlands 3 file size isn't all that big compared to other games that go over 150gb storage, Borderlands 3 is sitting around almost at 100gb. So Borderlands 3 wouldn't suffer on more DLC content after DLC 4.
I hope they don't put raid bosses behind a pay wall. That's what they did in bl2 and I like the only thing you're missing out on are a few weapons if you don't get the dlc. The strongest weapons drop from the raid bosses that everyone has access to. I'd really like it if they added some new characters to play as but they keep saying they won't.
@@toxicavenger6172 yeah but that was only when Borderlands 2 was still around at the time but when they released like some game of the year edition or The Handsome Collection you don't did pay extra for them because all of addons were included except for the Commander Lilith DLC but if you were lucky enough last year it was free. But i strongly think that Gearbox has taken a different approach when adding raid bosses, i know for a fact that secret door that still locked has to be a Raid boss it has been speculated that it might be like another Verivimus / Varkid boss.
After just finishing bl3 I can safely say that blp is my favorite installment and yes Wilhelm is still my favorite VH
His drones have really good AI
Wilhelm is the best example of a simple character have ever seen, personality wise. I love how he barely gives a shit about anything, unless money is on the table. His quick one liners are great. His personal echo log says it all.
Thing that makes me stop playing after first playthrough was not finding single legendary throughout whole game except one granade in vending machine( i wasn't farming, just story progress). Even Sentinel didn't drop anything.
This was my first game I played from the series, and I played couch coop with a friend. For us it was a blast and played the hell out of it. So I think if you set aside all the hype,comparison etc. its a hell of a game
This is my favorite game of the series. It has my favorite set of Vault Hunters and it's made even better by the fact that they actually talk throughout the campaign. I know the BL2 crew got to speak a little in the DLCs, but Pre-Sequel really shows off their personalities.
Honestly!
Bl3 does it as well all thanks to presequel.
I actually like it, I found the combat more dynamic thanks to the low-G and Oz kits (overall a lot of the levels just feel more three-dimensional than a lot of BL2 did). The only thing I didn't like was that there was less variety of enemies than there was in BL2.
The Pre-Sequel was hands down my favourite story of the first 3 games
Glitched weapons were the greatest. The Claptrap DLC was also one of the best DLC's from the older Borderlands. Had a cool story, built on the world in really interesting ways, explains why claptrap isn't a vault hunter in BL2, and had one of the cooler worlds. Also, I think some of the ways in which the world of that DLC moved and changed in exploring his memories helped inform some of how they wanted to handle TTW's world, there's a lot of similarities there.
The thing that made me give up on the game was that I bought the base game and season pass, and they had the audacity to make the first couple of DLC releases basically wave modes. That's when I just stopped playing. Took me several years before I gave it another shot.
I think people keep forgetting the first year of the game, its why the game was hated so bad, the game a year later got fixes and respawnable bosses, but by then we all moved on, you cant release a broken game and use a year to fix it and expect people to forgive it, i think the game after that became a really good game, but it was awful for that first year and ill never forgive them for that
The pre sequel had the best line up of vault hunters and the most fun gameplay for all of them
One part that i absolutly love about presequel, is Athenas gameplay. In fact, it's the most fun i've ever had in a borderlands !
Slashing around with Alpis up, criting an enemy with excalibastard to apply the cryo, then strike twice, and going to an other mob, while throwing an alpis with 4 element on a random mob and killing four guy with one throw.... Man, i love Melee Athenas.
I miss pre-sequels movement. It’s so expressive and free compared to most other fps’.
Honestly TPS had the best final bossfights, The Sentinel will be one of my favorites bosses.
I actually didn't like the Sentinel as much as the Warrior. I can't really put my finger on why though. I just found the Warrior more fun to fight and farm.
@@Chokah Maybe due to the story?
@@PharaohTrebilClef I think because it was monotonous more than anything. Mainly the same attacks,just different elemental damage. The giant form was the same way.
The sentinel is the best final boss of the entire franchise because there was a NEED for fighting strategy to change mid fight. Where as all other bosses are the same... Find the spot on the map you're least likely to get hurt on, shoot the glowy bit and it dies...
@@thegingerviking8698 Personally EOS is the by far the best. Difficult in a none frustrating way
As someone who played TPS last year and didn't touch it since beating the story, I honestly loved it at first. Cryo was more interesting than Slag, lasers were cool, and the space setting made gameplay a bit more interesting. Hell, even the vault hunters having small bits of dialogue with characters was great.
The main thing that really made me annoyed by the end was the enemy scaling as mentioned in the video (Dear god I've never felt so punished being on par with quests), and the pacing of the story has felt the worst in the series. Going to the Hyperion space station felt like a great climax in the story... only for you to spend half of the game in there, with main quests jumping up as much as 3 levels at a time. I got so sick of running basically every quest just to try to stay on par that I started farming Darksiders. It's the only Borderlands game where I resorted to grinding for convenience.
Man the fact that T.K. Baha didnt have his shotgun in the DLC discerned me, it was his first impression in borderlands 1 even tho this was my minor detail haha, I loved the overlook part of the dlc and the game in general well I'm a casual player I loved it very much
a couple things i hate about bl3:
1: i personally feel that there aren't allot of unique builds per character (accept flak but people mainly only use crit and maybe gamma)
2: atm just personally lack of content (but cant hold that against it atm cus its still newish so could easily get allot more and yes i'm comparing to bl2)
"Newish" its been a year
@@T-Jex While I see what you’re saying, Fight for Sanctuary for BL2 came out in June of 2019. A little under 7 years past the initial release of BL2. So, we’ve still got a lot of time for BL3.
@@stonersudowoodo7143 exactly thx
1. Not enough variety on class mods, the eridian vanquisher, legendary and celestial class mods felt shallow and not unique.
2. Unique enemies and mini bosses felt drab uninteresting
3. I have nothing against Australian culture, but I can never understand all the Aussie humor and puns these game presents.
@@rdu239 eridian vanquisher and chronicler of elpis class mods are really underwhelming. However, I would disagree on the celestial ones. Some are actually quite unique and others are game-breaking.
My favorite thing was simply Athena.
I loved nisha all round good to play with
Ironically
This is my favorite borderlands game
Kept the borderlands 2 style jokes and story
But imroved the skill trees , weapons and gameplay . I actually really liked 0 gravity gameplay , slam and boosters .
Also i really liked freeze over slag
+ lasers are super cool
I can verify from my own experiences that you are correct. I farmed Iwajira when I played the game because that was the only place I can get myself a legendary within a reasonable time. It was the only boss I did farm, as I didn't know they ever made other bosses farmable. Glitch weapons were not explained in the game that I can remember and they were hard to find, so most of the time, you would be switching it out for a new weapon as you level.
I played this game until the worst thing happened.... school came and stopped me
Except for the big open spaces with the floating trash monsters, I loved the presequel. The character builds were especially great.
It also did butt slams wayyyyyy better than BL3
I'm replying the pre sequel rn as Timothy. I've never had the chance to play the extra content for it until now. And I'm enjoying the hell out of it personally feels like I'm playing it for the first time again.
In borderlands 3 The only things I really enjoy are the movement and most of the quality of life changes.
Everything else just feels worse.
The fact that almost everything was a world drop on release, the lack of raid bosses and the un-fun mayhem mode killed the late game for me. I also hear that the late game is still not fun and that most guns are underpowered.
The guns look "off" in borderlands 3, they look more rounded, too futuristic(compared the the previous games) and very similar to each other, I want to know if other people feel this way about the guns or if I'm just crazy.
The main story's villains are generic and annoying, I know that hitting the same greatness as handsome jack would be almost impossible, but they could of at least tried.
The main story itself feels like it's missing something, beyond good villains, It also just dropped the plot set up by borderlands TPS(Which I was really invested in), and it drags on for way too long. There was multiple times where I was just hoping it would end so that I could stop playing.
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Borderlands 3's plot just does so many things I hate.
Lilith as a character I hated more and more as the series went on to the point of rejoicing when she "died".
Maya's death felt like it was made just to copy Roland death, and to make the villains more hate-able.
Avia isn't that bad of a character I just hate how she only exists to replace Maya.
Troy almost got interesting as a villain, but it was already way too late in the game.
Tannis gets a little more interesting but then she just kind of stops.
and I could see all the twists from a mile away, they were just so generic.
I've watched a playthrough of DLC 1 and somewhat enjoyed it, because handsome jack is a great character.
I played DLC 2 and mostly enjoyed it's plot.
DLC 3 looks extremely generic and boring and I've heard/seen almost nothing about it.
and DLC 4 looks like claptastic voyage + Krieg so I'm excited about that, but I was really hoping for a sequel to assault on dragon keep DLC.
I plan on playing through borderlands 3 again once dlc 4 drops and/or when they stop updating the game, because I feel like most gameplay problems will or have been be fixed with patches, and if not then I'll just wait for modders to fix it.
The game's plot and gameplay are so close yet so far to being great. I can only hope that the DLC's plot and game patches fix this game up.
I feel that Borderlands 3 may be a sort of set up game. Gearbox may be planning to do the Great War at a later date. Just my opinion.
As someone who loved the Pre-Sequel and to live through the controversy. Simply put
1) absolutely no one wanted a Pre-Sequel after Borderlands 2 we wanted a continuation of the characters we had grown to love
2) absolutely no one liked the idea of an oxygen mechanic
3) the world felt empty and there was nothing to farm at any game or even halfway into the game besides from one volcano boss
1:30 "can you tell me the difference between choking and strangulation?"
The game was cool. The additions to the gameplay was a pretty welcome thing, and the story helped a lot to give more about old and actual characters from borderlands 1 and 2. Offering a narration for improve the Athena arc, giving the origin story of Jack and also introducing Timothy that is for me one of the rare cool characters on Borderlands 3.
The worst part about the game for me was the low gravity. Honestly I loved playing the game especially using Athena but the low gravity really made the flow slow down unless the movement was intentional. Most of the time you'll leave the ground after moving over a lip on the ground and you'll slowly make your way to the ground. I also thought the but slam system was just not usefull enough much like the ground slam in Bl3.
I will say, one important thing about TPS to me is that I think it has THE best story/leveling experience. It has no endgame, this is undeniably true, but since I never really cared much for the endgame of this series anyway TPS is honestly my favorite of the games. At the least, I'll certainly say as such as many days as I'll say 2 is.
The replayability of each character is great, since they ALL feel extremely unique both amongst each other and just in design compared to the rest of the series. I'd say Wilhelm is the most conventional character, but even he has a lot of really fun things going on-I ADORE the way his blue tree works. Having your character visibly and AUDIBLY descend deeper into his mechanization is...good God, it's so good. TPS did something no other game in the series has yet, where the NPCs talk TO you, and that's amazing.
Sure, BL2 and BL3 have responses from your character, but TPS is the only game where the NPCs will actually acknowledge your character specifically and talk to you during the story. That makes the story feel so much more alive as you replay, even if nothing severe changes. I think this one thing would make me like playing through BL3's story so much more. The BL3 vault hunters, I'm realizing more, are all REALLY great characters. They're fun! They're a _lot_ of fun. But there's so much less room for them to show that when nobody reacts to who they are, they're just The Vault Hunter.
I loved the low gravity and ozkit stuff, as well as playing ClapTrap :) Cryo weapons were crazy, especially Frozen frigya (or something similar, a SMG, that had 30% freeze chance). And Glitch weapons were just mad haha. Also the final boss in the Claptastic Voyage DLC - just recently played it on our PS5, on Ultimate VH difficulty, at lvl 70, what an utterly annoying boss haha (still managed to kill it though, but the fight can be pretty challenging, depending what characters you play. Was definitely a bit easier on split-screen 2 x ClapTrap coop ;> ).
I loved pre-sequel, hope gearbox makes a similar borderlands title.
1:30 "do you know the difference between choking and strangling" -handsome jack
The Pre-Sequel is my favorite, hands down, the characters, the story, the mechanics, its all so perfect
I liked the pre-sequal. It was unique in a lot of ways and a good story filler.
BLTPS has the best vault hunters and the greatest DLC in the franchise. Also highly influential and key in some of the things that were great in BL3. PreSequel Cryo led to BL3 cryo, and lasers and slams were some of the best features in the PS .
Two major things were the problem, the game play loop wasn't the same as BL2. In borderlands 2 Every mission ended with a warp point to the home base or it ended where it started. It always felt like you were moving forward even when you back tracking. The second issue was that farming was messed up
Years later, they made something worse: BL3.
Seriously, TPS looks perfect next to BL3.
Thank you. Finally someone who shares my opinion
nah wouldnt say that. Story YES but gameplay absolutely NO
SeltrixBL Exactly PreSequel Story is way better as well as Character Interactions but Bo3 gameplay is smooth and raw as hell. Pre Sequel gameplay get redundant with the Zero Gravity.
The story is an abortion in bl3, tps was a good game just needed some more support
@@TheInjunBoy what even is that point? Did simply running around with gravity get 'redundant' in bl2 for you?
I love it,beside that jumping in the Helios Station.
With the release of Tiny Tina's recently, I've decided to go back and replay the entire BL series. I just finished BL 1 Remaster with all DLC's (think I had previously cleared it all before), and am about 15 hours into BL 2 (spent over 300 hrs on this before, and def finished it all but still love it). Next comes BL: TPS (only played about 20 hrs, so can't wait to experience it all) , Tales of Borderlands (never played), BL 3 (30 hrs completed only, but will gladly start from scratch) and finally Tiny Tina's Wonderlands, which I hear great things. I never get tired of the BL series.
Still better than BL3 and with a great, relaxing atmosphere. And more Jack is always good
So we gonna give TPS a pass for having 0 endgame but not 3?
Bl2 bl3 bl1 better
Dude just now finding your channel man’s deserves more subs
I think the name of my favorite gun was the Fast Talker. Especially in cryo because you could super quickly freeze a group of enemies and then choose which ones to whittle down
Overall an ok game, just so much god damn walking around for quests..
I'd like to clarify my position on PreSequel. I had a lot of fun with the game. Moonstone was a cool addition, Laser weapons were fantastic, and my weapon of choice, since I was a Wilhelm main, Grinder was frustrating at times, but fantastic balance to the economy. The thing I hated was the Raid Boss was just a repeat of the final boss, it wasn't even more difficult. After 2 put so much effort into their raid bosses, to only have one raid boss that was...just the final boss again, really made me feel unhappy with the overall game, since that is the last thing you experience when you play it
Lack of endgame hurt it a lot.
I just finished The Pre-Sequel.
Gotta say, I was expecting Borderlands 2 but less.
In a way, it kinda is. It has some of the worst large maps that makes travelling a chore, sometimes is too easy to fall into pits, and two or three NPCS had some of the most boring dialogue ever wrote.
But heck, when the game gets good it really GETS GOOD. I love the intro in Helios and the background music, all the Felicity Plot-line was amazing, and fun (including the maps), and Hyperion Hall of Heroes-R&D is trully fun to move around.
The Endgame is good, with the best Boss of a Borderlands game (i must say i haven't played 3 yet), and the way it ends is actually really nice.
And the Claptastic Voyage happens and HOLY FUCK thats an awesome DLC. The Glitched weapons are great to use, the story and writting is quite nice, the world inside Claptrap is fantastic, with Fyrestone and Overlook back, and the final Bosses...
Oh boi, the final Bosses.
A nice experience all around. The less things to do post-game is actually kinda nice with all the maps and DLCs in BL2.
Aussie humor and it didnt really feel like a BL game.
I played a lawbringer and got a glitch sniper rifle which activated a rapid fire/burst mode and the effect carried on to my other weapons until i shot again with that snipet rifle. I always shot around to activate the glitch effect and then switched to my two jakobs revolvers. They would fire like burst rifle SMG's but because jakobs can fire as fast as you can hit the trigger, they just spat out bullets at an incredible rate. Think the butcher shotgun but as two revolvers. Pair that with the aimbot skill and some effects which make you consume less ammo and you're dealing risiculous damage.
I enjoyed the pre sequel. The skill trees were so good I actually played through the main story with every character that was released.
-The roster on release felt fresh and and didn't feel like BL1 characters with slight changes.
-The majority of the game took place on the goddamn moon!
-The vaulthunters speaking more and getting reactions from events in the main story or sidequests.
-Laser weapons
-Elpis being space Australia
i don't hate the pre-sequel i love it's story, movement, weapons, and characters i just love all borderlands so much
I can answer this question in 2 seconds: Lack of content and lack of dedicated drops. 2k Australia went under before they could finish a second story DLC, plus Claptastic Voyage never had any raid bosses and the base game only had 1 that was just a harder version of the final boss, and while I think the intention of not making many dedicated drops was to make it closer to BL1 and they tried to compensate by having vendors constantly filled with blue and purple rarity weapons and you could always use the grinder to get a random legendary of a certain type if you knew the recipe it still kind sucks that you can't have access to your favorite weapons without even more farming than BL2. I loved the story, I loved the playable characters, I thought the enhanced mobility that low gravity added was incredibly fun. I even think the lack of dedicated drops thing could be ignored if it got even half the amount of extra content BL2 got because mechanically it's so much better.
Honestly, TPS is my favorite Borderlands game for multiple reasons:
1. The characters actually had conversations with the NPCs, featuring different voice lines and different responses; BL2 had zero reaction from your character and BL3 did a step back with having the NPCs react witht he same sentence everytime (this caused the player characters voice lines to feel like the same sentence just said differently).
2. The game was overall more balanced and challenging, BL2 and BL3 on normal playthrough were WAY too easy, I didnt even know that the Constructors from BL2 could launch NUKES, because we always killed them in seconds... BL2 only became challenging on the 3rd playthrough, which was also kinda anoying, because you NEEDED to use Slag, because in in the 3rd playthrough it reduces HP to only a 3rd and otherwise the enemies would have too much hp.... BL3 also had horrible balancing, with most bosses only taking SECONDS to beat
3. Legendaries and rare weapons where actually rare, BL2 was a bit worse in that regard, but nothing compared to BL3, where you get drowned in them; combine that with BL3 legendaries being even more OP and you suddenly dont need to swap your gun anymore for half of the game, or use any other gun than that legendary
4. The skill trees were the most interesting; as others pointed out, there was just something special about the skill tree in TPS, it truly felt like customizing your characters, while in BL2 and 3 the "progress" just doesnt feel that well.
5. Interesting mechanics, as the gun combiner, where you could scrap old guns to build better new ones and the moonshine guns, you could get from the special locked chests. I also like the jetpack system and that you could slam the ground.
The one thing I liked about BL3 alot more was the fact that guns felt like guns now and not toys, the sound and feeling was ALOT better in that game. But the thing I hated the most was the horrible story, it felt so extremely forced and had nothing to do with what the Eridian at the end warned them about. How do some bandits pose any threat at all, or more threat compared to a giant corporation that can lanch nukes and highly advanced robots on demand at the planet surface? And where did they even come from to be important? Jack and Hyperion were present in BL1 and basically any game, the entire story of Borderlands was started by Hyperion/Jack.
Honestly, the story felt like it was just a flimsy replacement and knowing that the originally wanted to bring back Jack in BL3, I dont think I am wrong...
Still play BLPS to this day. Love the double jump and slam.
I’m replaying it for the first time in years and it’s a BLAST
I played it for the first time not too long ago and the Game felt more like borderlands 1 to me, the Main story anyway, it just felt more gritty like bl1 and the soundtrack too reminded me of it. And the space setting was cool as well, and seeing all the Dahl stuff instead of Hyperion, the posters in Concordia really look cool to me and showed what Dahl is as a mega corporation. That and all the abandoned dahl stuff was just such a cool change from bl2 which I had played many times before.
Lazers, the entire claptrap dlc, characters talking and being unique, oz kits, stingrays, god everything about it
I love the fact that I was never much online so I didn't knew about how the game was received. By this I was only confused to why the steam reviews weren't good as I had a blast with the game and I this it's the best in the series for me. Only wishing it had as much content as BL2 has due to lack of DLCs.
Nisha and claptrap are some of the most fun I've ever had in borderlands
I always loved the pre-sequel, and since I played the handsome collection as my first borderlands experience, I started with the pre-sequel and then went to BL2 and it flowed really well and each had its own special dynamic,
Between Elpis and the Oz Kits and all the Australian influence from 2K Australia, or the cryo and laser weapons I just loved it and then when I played BL2 it still felt fresh and man, I love these games lol
The actual dialogue between your vault hunters and the npcs were really fucken sick. Their dialogue changes too depending on who you choose.
WHERE DA FAK DID THAT GO?!
I just started the game. So far so good.
The thing I love about TPS is that they kept the bl2 engine, and the gameplay is the best in the series also imo, I hear a lot of people saying that they "didn't put enough effort" into the game but I look at it of more of an add on game to the series. The pre sequel will forever be one of my favorite games
I worked with folks that tested this at 2K. In 2016 when I noted that I finally checked out the game, they apologized for it's condition. It was different, but not horrible. I think it deserves recognition. Good vid.
This is a very good video! Finally someone who actually voices the same opinion I have of the game. And it's well edited too, with an easy to follow narrative/timeline.
Pre Sequel had the most fun skill trees/action skills of all three the first games.
Legit. Fight me on this.
Duel pistol wielding, head shotting everything as Nisha? Fuck yes.
Reviving a teammate cross map while feeling like captain america.
Turning yourself into the literal terminator was awesome too 😂