FIRST DRIVE: Alfa Romeo Junior - the sportiest electric hot hatch yet? | Electrifying
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The Alfa Junior (known as the Alfa Romeo Milano until a few days ago) is a small SUV that’s roughly the same size as the Jeep Avenger, which is no coincidence as both Jeep and Alfa are part of the car manufacturing giant, Stellantis, which merged Fiat, Peugeot, Citroen, Jeep. Vauxhall and more - all into one company a few years ago. That’s why the Junior also shares many parts with the Avenger and the Fiat 600e, including its ‘e-CMP2’ platform and 54kWh battery. This is also the first electric car to come from the historic Italian brand.
That battery, mated to a 154bhp electric motor that drives the front wheels, manages a range of around 250 miles, and they’ll be a sportier one coming, too. The Alfa Junior Veloce will get 236bhp, as it will use the same motor as the recently-confirmed Abarth 600e. It’ll also get wider track, a mechanical locking differential, so it should be properly fun to drive.
The 54kWh lithium-ion battery is familiar from the Jeep Avenger, Peugeot e-208, Vauxhall Corsa-e and more, and here it’s expected to manage a range of around 250-miles, although we’ll have to wait for the finalised figure. The higher-powered, beefed-up Alfa Junior Veloce model gets 236bhp - rather than the 154bhp of the standard car - plus a number of tweaks to make it feel like a proper enthusiast’s car, so we’d expect range on that to be quite a bit lower. Rapid charging is up to 100kW, which will get a 10-80% charge in around 30 minutes, or a 100-mile top-up in about 20 minutes. A 7kW home charger will deliver a full charge from nearly empty in eight hours.
Join Nicki as she drives the new Alfa Romeo Junior for the first time. Has Alfa built a winner? Will it be as good to drive as more expensive alternatives? Let us know in the comments below.
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I like aspects of it, but I'm so SUVd out. If it was a sedan, wagon, or proper little hatch I'd be _way_ more enthused. I must say though, those seats, wheel design, and "grille" look fantastic
I agree, I am pretty offer them describing as a proper sports car when its an SUV. We heen to get back to sporty sedans with two and four door options.
I wonder what all the nay-sayers drive? This is not a 2.5t oversized EV. It’s small, relatively light and can handle like any Alfa should. It’s more than enough to do what it needs to do in town yet be fun on a twisty road. It’ll be a nice complement to my Giulietta and 4C. It’s on the shopping list.
It's not coming to Australia!
@@colors6692 Of course it is. I’ve been contacted by Alfa in Australia to register interest. It’s not going to America.
This is what's been missing. I get you're restricted by the the battery size. But it seems Alfa hit this one out of the park. Sadly the media are all dumping on EV's lately.
It's normal and if you think about it, it was expected.
First they rave about how good EVs are, then as more people get them and a lot get disappointed, they will say bad things about it and then, the third phase, in a while things will calm down and then they will be more neutral about it.
EVs are great in some things for some people and at the same time, EVs are terrible at some things to some people as everything in this world is @@leftcoaster67
Nikki such a clear, informative, light, fun, relaxing, charismatic, and watchable presenter.
You were grinning the whole time. That was the whole review for me. Reminded me of my first trip in an Alfetta GT.
As a PS, my Alfetta GT was far from perfect but it had the most wonderful steering and seating position plus extremely long legs for touring plus a gearbox over the rear axel. So different from cars available in the early eighties. My current Alfa Spider has been with me for 30 years. The motor is indestructible, all original, just routine maintenance.
@@grahamreddel5682 The Alfetta was a "true" Alfa Romeo and the last Alfa Romeo platform designed by Alfa Nord, having maintained our Alfetta bought new by my father in 1976, and designed and engineered in ITaly by the same team that was at Alfa since before WW2. Alfa Romeo died in both its engineering philosophy and design philosophy in 1986 when Fiat bought it, so stopped being a marque and became a brand. The following Alfa 155 and so on were based on the Fiat Tempra and just alienated many Italians from the brand. The last true Alfa Romeo built in house was the Alfa Romeo 75 still using the platform of the Alfetta launched 1972.
Great review, very informative. I know your video is about a car and not an English class but I love your accent, for students of the language like me very useful. Greetings from Spain, saludos.
Fantastic review, it has totally changed my view on this car, I now seriously think that this will be my next car. Electrifying deserves credit for describing what it feels to drive it, instead of just drumming up the specs. Also very good exterior shots.
Alfa totally nailed the design for me, I love the look of it. It's probably priced about right considering where the competition is to. I hope this does well, its a lovely looking thing and we need more compact, relatively light EVs on the market.
It looks like Alfa have nailed it on price, performance, weight, and above all handling. I would just like to see its bigger brother when it comes out before committing. Thanks for the first proper review of this that I have seen.
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Agree. Stellantis have built a competitive platform to use across all their brands. Alfa Romeo seem to have tuned it enough for it to feel Alfa. Maybe the way to think of Alfa nowadays is more like Brabus to the Smart/Mercedes brand. I would like to see what Alfa do with the slightly bigger Stellantis platform perhaps to produce something to replace the Giulia.
My first thought was, if this is as good as the reviewer says, then a proper alfa sports car (ev) could be very good. I really like the giulia, and probably would have bought one by now, were it not for the fact that it's auto only, and saloon only.
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What I long for is an updated Alfa GTV6, of which I had two in the 1980s, and I am not sure the Junior is quite there yet. So a coupe version of an EV Giulia would be wonderful.
@@PaulMeier-cu3ds oh jeez, a coupe version of the current giulia would be wonderful too, eh ?
Edit: the GTV6 was indeed a very desirable car. Way out of my meagre means at the time, being a six cylinder, but a very nice car nonetheless. I think more people would have bought it, were it not for the terrible reputation of Italian cars of that era (Lancia and alfa) for rusting to pieces.
Stellantis is the Luxottica of cars. Formerly independent companies are now brands. When people buy a Jeep, or a Citroen, or a Peugeot, or an Alfa Romeo, or a Fiat, or a Vauxhall/Opel they get the same car. It might have superficial differences from the other brands but it's built from the same parts bin and mechanically the same. It's actually depressing how much competition has gone out of the automotive industry in the last 10 years.
So glad I got my Giulia when I did. It will go down as a diamond in the rough before the homogenization.
agreed. The new Alfa Romeo is built on a French PSA platform and in 1.2 litre form also A French design. No thanks!
Love the wheels! Nikki is an excellent presenter!😊
Great review
Game over, finally a ev with a bit of class that you can lust over ❤
Great review, Nicki and team! We were just as relieved to find out that the Junior drives like a proper Alfa. Can't wait to get it on UK roads, with a bit of drizzle to further test that agile handling... 😆
/ Sam
Beautiful and fast: both You and the Alfa!
Really like the look of this 👌
Hi Nikki, how can you compare this to the ioniq5N, the 5 N has nearly 300 more horse power and is a totally different beast. 🤔❤️
Nearest competitor would be the dual motor genesis GV60 I would think. That has 310bhp, similar size, and is about 8 grand more.
@@NoggintheNog37 deffo, not the 5N though 😁 if only I had that much money I'd have the 5n any day
@@NoggintheNog37nah closest rival would be mg 4 xpower, similar price but way quicker
@@NoggintheNog37 The GV60 is one category larger than this car (417 cm vs. 451 cm in length). And a completely different category if we're talking about charging and comfort. The closest competition for this vehicle is the Alpine A290.
At 2300kg The IONIQ5N also weighs 700kg more, which is where the comparison is valid due to the handling compromise. I’m sure Alfa could make a 650bhp electric car with a sub 1800kg kerb weight.
Welcome back Nikki, my favourite presenter is back x
Thank You! Best video presentation about the electric Junior! May i wish one... however i'm a proper petrohead, but it sounds good, and looks beautiful in BLACK
You also looks pretty Good too in that Sabelt seat.
Alfa did a decent job again, first time in histroy with a car running with batteries
• The i5N is from a different class, so it is bigger in every direction, performance, and range.
• After driving EV's for 12 years, I would say for range and performance parity, you need close to 4 miles per Kilowatt of energy to have reduced range anxiety. So let's say 3.5m/kW - you need to travel at 70mph for 3hrs before a break is needed on a long-distance trip. So, an optimal battery range at 70mph for 3 hours needs at 3.5m/kW = 210 miles*3.5m/kW = 60kW battery (usable range), plus the 10% we don't go below and the 80% ideal charge capacity. So, an extra 30% is needed for the battery we are advised to have, to keep the battery healthy.
• So, in theory, for a 3-hour motorway journey at 70mph, with aircon, in-car entertainment, hills, the odd boost of power for overtaking etc, another 18kW is needed, making a standard battery 78kW. (Few cars can maintain 3.5m/kW for 3hrs at 70mph...)
• Of course, this would be a 2.5 tonne car (with lower efficiency). So, 100kW charge? Too slow, if you want continued adoption of these types of vehicles.
• My current car is a Zoe with only 50kW CCS, and a 52kW battery. I have to ignore the safety limits of 80% charging because my range is 220miles. Charging takes over 1 hour 15mins, and I drive on ECO at 60-65 mph for all long journeys.
• No one wants to answer these types of comments except to say, we don't do long distances in the UK all the time... our average journey distance is low. But if you only have one car to cover every occasion, what would you choose? And at what price entry point?
The back door handle come from long time ago, the 75 had it before the 156 and other older models had kind of the same idea.
Great video Nicki, looked lots of fun. A track focussed crossover makes no sense, who is going to take their family crossover on a track? I feel sorry for Alfa, stuck with the Stellantis FWD platform when the switch to EVs makes RWD easy. I’m sure it drives nicely, but it’d be even more fun if the back wheels did the driving and the front ones just the steering
No, it’s NOT track focused. This drive event shows how the Alfa handles on a twisty road when driven enthusiastically. The Junior has not yet been homologated so can’t yet be driven on public roads. Of course if one never drives with enthusiasm then you’d never consider an Alfa anyway.
It has good wipes. Like a AlfaSud from the old days 👍👍👍❤️
I do love this car. Well done Alfa Romeo 👏🏻👏🏻
Non è una Alfa Romeo.
Giulietta was very fun car to drive, I cannot wait to drive this as replacement ❤🍀
Do you know what, this car's looks grows on you, I didn't like it in the launch but in the Italian sunshine it all seems to make sense. Shame it's attached to the Stellantis group clone machine.
I wouldn't be able to get out of my head that I'm driving a Corsa with an alpha badge.
Such a Beautiful car 😍
Lovely looking car.
"once you've seen it you can't UNseen it" ... summarizes quite nicely the very moment I layed eyes on Nikki. Her reviews that is.
AR 024 Junior ... nice plate!
Wow Lucky you! Loved my 1970's Spider :)
I rather see Electrifying swapping the Veloce ECU into the basic model just to see what happens. I'll bet it boosts the basic model instantly. (...I do know that a swap 1:1 is not straightly possible due to the key code but Electrifying can solve this little bump!)
A very stylish looking car and about time Alfa had some prolonged success to boost the brand. Recently I spend 3 weeks driving a Dodge Hornet plug in Hybrid (an Alfa) in the US which is built alongside the Alfa Tonale in Italy. It was very impressive
lovely wheels
I like it! I think brands like Alpha that struggled for years have a fair shot with EV’s
I like it and the fact that the designers have made an effort to give it that Alfa sense of style and elan without 'going over the top' and falling into the trap of making something so modernistic that it would inevitably look out of date in just a few years. Oh…and any car that makes a person want to go weeeeeee!!! when driving it definitely has something special.
Is this and Hyundai ionic 5N comparable?
Really nice details just a pity it’s not a lower hatch rather than a suv.
Great review as always from Electrifying!
I can’t quite get on board with the styling of this car… I think the rear is just a bit ‘meh’ compared to the rest of the car. Almost like they ran out of money/ideas. Maybe it’ll be better in person 🤔
I’m guessing it’ll be heavily reduced like an Astra to boost the ev target so hopefully cheap on lease end of the year
I love this car but I don’t like the black bit under the lights, if that was body coloured it would look so much better, I think I’ll have to get a black one
Can't deny that it isn't striking? 🤔
The clover shaped wheels are a reference to their sports variant the Cloverleaf.
Nice car, having it lighter is a good thing - can't have it heavy if it's called Junior :) They can lose the fake engine noise and ideally have the same front and rear brakes - purely to make it look better.
Alfa should use 4WD for Veloce version to be the sportiest on the Stelantis platform
It's truly a Peugeot!
Wow.. did i see the middle armrest.... Behind the seat???
Not bad looking car, and those seats look inviting! Reminiscent of the EV6 at the rear 🤔
Good review! Seems like Alfa does know how to make a proper EV. I'm curious for the Electric Giulia! The comparison at the end however is not correct. The Hyuandai Ioniq 5 N is much bigger and has got more than twice the power.
And how about the smart brabusses? Price range below alfa junior veloce at 428 hp. Otherwise I like your content very much
It sould be at the side like giulia it looks special
An electric performance car with less than 1600kg kerb weight. Only Alfa could, and they did. It looks really good, and should be a wake-up call for German brands. Like, why must their electric cars weigh over 2 tonnes? This shows that they need not.
The obvious answer is that they cut back on the battery size and sound deadening, both of which are heavy. 54 kWh is pretty small and at a realistic 3.5 miles/kWh it will only have a real world range of under 190 miles, which is way behind most rivals.
I'm all for rear window wipers however just look at the back of this car, this wiper looks like it destroys the aerodynamics, I don't get why they didn't install the rear wiper under the rear roof tail, with a down swing motion.
Like the Kia ev3.
Not sure how to feel, it is a re-branded 3008. Looks amazing, yes, the price is actually not that bad, but Alfa is not supposed to be just a re-brand. Like even MiTO and Giulietta, clearly Fiats, had that some extra flair. Not sure, need to see one in person. That Stelvio disaster, for example, is a tragedy.
I’ve worked out why it’s got left hand air vents , it’s because it’s left hand drive 😂😂😂😂 ps looks a nice ev 👍👍
the black looks like a baby purosangue
Looks more like a Milano. 😁
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Reported to the Italian authorities
Nice looking car.
First thing I want to hear on any electric car review is range and price. It’s always left very late on.
You struggle to find the battery size on Alpha’s site, but it’s a lowly 54 kWh. Will struggle to get 200 miles, no good at all.
Which is how they get the weight below 1600 kg - all that, and 300+km range? Brilliant!
@@dcartier1692300+ km in sunny Italy, more like 200 during winter north europe
@@danielstefanovic2604 - yesterday’s news - battery tech is ahead of misinformed public opinion.
She mentioned the battery size early on
These new Stellantis cars are supposed to be pretty efficient. Frankly a big battery in a car like this would be totally stupid - if its going to handle well you want to keep it light! WLTP is a better indication of comparative range between cars than battery size is, and this is in the same WLTP ballpark as plenty of other cars that manage a real world 180-200 miles - more than adequate.
Can you test the lower versions please. It would be a huge disappointment if they don't get the same steering and suspension just because they aren't as fast. (I know it wouldn't be logical for them to be lesser in those departments, but most manufacturers don't seem to have logical minds when it comes to their cheaper models and think customers should make do with inferior handling and steering if they opt for the more economical models!)
Too bad it is not coming in the US. Waiting for the electric Guilia or Stelvio.
With Stellantis you get the same tech in different flavors, but that's the issue: they need to Upgrade the tech already.
It doesn´t anymore have those Italian gauges like olio and benzina (oil and fuel) because it´s an electric car.
Track focused compact SUV?!
We loved the sport cars of Alfa Romeo, Alfa was like the Italian Studebaker of the 50th and 60th.
Great designs and mostly 2-door coupe's and cabrio's.
This 4 door thing is just the next boring "SUV like" transport vehicle. BTW, a "hot hatch" also has just 2 side doors and the "hatch" is the 3rd.
When describing the body style, the hatch is counted as a door, therefore a hatchback with two passenger doors is called a three-door and a hatchback.
"Hot hatch" is when that car had a stronger engine.
With four passenger doors it is called a five-door, or possibly in 2024 a SUV.
That it can go faster around the corner doesn't make it a hot hatch, more a "hot SUV",
And it is not much different than a Volvo EX30 or a Citroën ë-C3.
So what, that it is 2 sec faster from 0-100 than the ë-C3, it is also over €10k more expansive.
When this was a 2-door coupe, yes, that would make it fun, exotic and unique again, but his is just the next 4-door SUV in an endless line of boring 4-door SUVs that fill the streets.
Why don’t Alfa do Head Up Displays? I wish they would
I wonder whose batteries they are using on this car.
Never had an Alpha and although this is a good and informative review I probably will not be buying it. Never going to get 250 miles either.
4:00 This part proofs, that this car is trully italian, and should have a name Milano.
RWD and LFP battery would have made it nearer perfection…
Put the name on the back so everyone can watch from a distance when it goes wrong, being an Alfa who knows what multitude of problems may occur. As Top Gear(OG) covered off on this brand comprehensively many times over.
Nice looking front, interior and red colour but the rest of it is generic Stellantis. Back looks like an EV6. The Veloce is over-priced and the basic one is just a re-skinned e2008/Mokka/Avenger etc.
Veloce will pick up some customers but can’t see this being popular overall - just another very expensive, smallish crossover EV and as it’s Stellantis will drop in price like a stone.
I see a vauxhall bonnet and a Kia ev6 rear
That back bumper & big lip both need to be body coloured
the old look was more iconic :(
Alfa Romeo Junior vs Lancia Ypsilon 😃!
It doesnt matter how fun it is to drive , it has a small battery and slow charging and it has the same power as a standard Smart or Volvo and it costs too much , Stellantis has really pulled the wool over the reviewers eyes with this one .
That might matter to you. Others might want a driver's car with decent range and charging which meets 99% of typical driver needs.
@AlanTov It is an Electric Vehicle not a drivers car at all. A form of transport that,s it.
@AlanTov no point being fun to drive with such pitiful range and charging . Same as all Stellantis EVs , not good enough , like the Avenger .
Edit (-) the Ioniq 5 - N or not - comparison 😅
It’s light because it has a small battery so how far between charging you neglected to tell us .
Great review. Shame it’s yet another SUV 🙄
It's possible to design a BEV without it having to be an SUV. I think it's more to do with large numbers of consumers favouring the SUV/ oversized style. The Junior will sell well, I just hoped that Alfa would have produced something different to the masses. Giulietta/A3 size rather than an ID variant.
Of all the stellantis stuff, it's the nicest, but still too expensive
an Alfa Romeo Milano..... ooops
🤌🤌🤌 starting to speak Italian 😅
Those wheels look great, but it will be a pain in the ass to find aftermarket set with that 4 stud setup.
While the front is well done, looking to the rear I'm spontaneously getting depressed! The front has this aggressive dynamic look while the totally has not. And these rear lights coming downwards over the side is so ugly. It stands totally off the cars design. The ugliness starts with the C pillar all way to the back end.
such a shame it's yet another suv rather than a normal hatchback. the car would look so much better if it wasn't on stilts. With how cars have got faster over the years I wouldn't call it a hot hatch anymore, just warm.
How can you compare this to an Ioniq 5N !!!
It's not even a AWD.
in front it looks like previous Renault Captur, from the back it looks like some KIA EVs. SUVs and crossovers could try to look nice, look kinda sporty, be kinda fun, but the fundamentals aren't there. if you know you know.
@Petroelhead
Petroelhead said: "The giulietta was a hatchback."
Sorry, but the Alfa Giulietta was never a "hatch back"
When describing the body style, the hatch is counted as a door, therefore a hatchback with two passenger doors is called a three-door or "hatchback".
"Hot hatch" is when that car had a stronger engine.
With four passenger doors it is called a five-door, or possible today a SUV.
The Guilietta was not designed as a 3 door car.
Wrong! All wrong mate. A Hatchback is when you can acess the car from the boot, cargo area. And yes, Giulietta was a hatchback... Even Tesla Model S its a Hatchback
@@reynotleAgree that the Giulietta is a hatchback ( just a five door one rather than three ). The Tesla is more of a saloon in the UK market place. This new Alfa is a small SUV. Not a hot hatch though
@@robsmall6466model 3 is a saloon. Model S is a hatch.
@@garethneal82 Same thing to me 🤷♂️
Sorry but the title is a bit missleading. Thats not a hatchback. Its an SUV. The giulietta was a hatchback. This is an SUV. Even Alfa called it an SUV.
Slow clap…well done.
It's shorter and narrower than the guilietta, it is taller though yes.
It was a question, not clickbait.
Most SUVs are hatchbacks!
We need to recognize "SUV" as nothing more than a marketing term intended to draw buyers, and slapped on just about everything.
These are M4 seats
Imagine I never set foot in Poland but would get a polish passport if I speak with a Polish Accent and pay a company in Poland for organizing it all..
Thats how much Italien 🇮🇹 car this is to me.
Not that it matters
Alfa have really knocked it out of the park with this; just a shame Ford didn't follow suit & ruined the Capri
Questa moda di non portare il reggiseno mi piace
IMO Alfa's parent company Stellantis does a very bad job of using parts from it's various brands. If you're going to swap parts to save cost, don't put cheap buttons used in a Dodge, and put them in a Maserati Ghibli which starts at over $100k. Take the underpinnings of tested vehicles like the engines and such which the average person won't notice. Also, I think the style of the Junior from the rear door back looks cheap with the door handle that's embeded. It doesn't look like an Alfa Romeo, but a cheap jeep/dodge knockoff.
🤔The Jeep and Fiat 600e are honestly the weakest platform executions by Stellantis despite how relatively competitive the EV system is. The Afla would be the most turned out (second to the Citroën ëC4) but it's still meh for what degree of AlfaRomeo it could've been...
It's just burnened by its crossover purpose.
❤😊 It is the best stalantis maybe the best front-wheel drive so far in electric cars. however, I'd rather prefer my old BMW i3s with a mere 185 brake horsepower fractionally slower to 60 rear-wheel drive and it had a bigger front with a smaller nose and it was lighter so well done. alpha but I think Tesla is better as for BMW they stopped making the i3s. they should have made the i3s all-wheel drive 900 brake horsepower and it basically would have been the fastest accelerating car in the world😂 because of its light small composite construction mmm 🤔. Thank you. least they have got a place to store the cable in that huge nose 👃 and I am looking forward to if they make an all-wheel drive one front wheel drive. you just can't get the power done. it's dynamics. you got the battery in the middle and the car lifts doesn't matter what clever diffs you've got. it'll just shut the power off so I'm not even sure. if you could use all 280 horsepower just through the front wheels anyway, at least it's better than a lot of things and we should now ban all toxic fossil fuel burning things. androgenic Extinction 😮😮
Not an Alfa without a proper engine😢
"a track focused suv" ... aarrghh !!
For the love of God, can you *please* not use that expression. It is complete nonsensical gobbledegook.
Otherwise, a very engaging review. I can't quite believe I'm saying this, but I actually like this car. It must be because it's red, and an Alfa Romeo. I have a weakness for anything red and Italian, which fatally erodes my critical facilities.
But it still seems like a really nice little (?) car, amazing really, when you consider that it belongs to a class of cars, which are very easy to dislike; namely compact cross-over/suv type EVs.
ALFA
OMG - thanks for the review!!! Ford have lost the plot and now have two over priced cars competing for the same market that is all ready over supplied with. No way is it a Capri, the design team need to wake up! 😂
I can tell you from experience, if you class a Hyundai ioniq 5 n as a sporty hatchback then this Alfa " I will break down every 5 miles" Romeo is as close to ioniq 5 n as the UK is to Aussie land believe me!!!!
I would choose a cheaper Stellantis alternative. Uninspiring design.
What no scratchy plastic 😅. One of the joys of an EV is the quiet drive, bonkers to introduce faux ice engine noise.