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- All caught up on #DoctorWhoFlux? Go behind the scenes as Chris Chibnall and Jodie Whittaker discuss how the Thirteenth Doctor's story arc leads to the events of the Flux! 💥
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I was joking when I said the end result of Chibnall's "tell, not show" storytelling style would be him sitting down and explaining the plot of a doctor who story
The Master gave a PowerPoint presentation about the Timeless Child last season.
Now Chris is just sitting us down and telling us what was supposed to be understood and what we were supposed to care about.
Amazing.
😅
@@glowing571 LOL
I still don’t care, like the timeless children it was a bunch ‘o bollox
Helpful for me, means I don't have to watch it on my first go through lol
The fact that this video breaks it down more than the show told us says it all
The fact they need to do this video at all is a problem
I was able to gather all this from watching the show . Maybe your attention deficit needs medical attention honey .
It's basically a commentary, shot when they shot the eps, months ago.
@@vasp99 still using neurodivergance as an insult here are we? Greeeat. Perhaps you should have stopped at how intelligent you are, because the second sentence appeared to have proven the first otherwise.
@@vasp99 being able to understand it and thinking it was good storytelling are two completely different things
WE DON'T NEED A BREAKDOWN, CHRIS. WE NEED A COHESIVE STORY. WHAT ARE YOU TRYING TO CONVEY?
Any explanation for why Tecteun destroys the Universe because the Doctor exists in it, and ALSO invited the Doctor to move into the new one? It really is a shambles. Episode 3 Tecteun says "don't come looking for us" and then immediately episode 4 is about capturing her to bring her to Tecteun! The fact this video exists shows the episodes themselves failed to explain coherently what was going on and contradictions such as above show that there is no explanation to fit all the "facts"
She says “don’t come looking for us” in episode 3, but then in episode 4 the deal with the rouge angel is changed and they decide to take the doctor instead. Tecteun then tries to appeal to the doctor to try to stop her from saving the universe by giving her the old memories and having the “old” doctor that Tecteun knew back.
@@MichaelO2000 except that the dialogue at the end of Village doesn't make sense either. The Doctor "negotiates" with the Angels to put Yaz, Dan and Jericho back into the real time and space and to remove the Angel from Clare (What she has to bargain with is another matter). Tha Angels ominously say "no" (but do both of those things anyway).
Then the Doctor realises that the Rogue Angel was never their target and this had been a trap intended to capture the Doctor all along. So set up in Halloween Apocalypse, BEFORE Tecteun says "don't come looking for me".
Even if we could square all that (you possibly could if you assume some of the dialogue is fake outs on the part of whoever is speaking), it still makes no sense to destroy a Universe because of one person, who you then invite to be just about the only thing that survives that universe! It the Doctor is a "virus", Tecteun is removing it from the infected body, which she then dissolves in acid before transplanting the virus into another body.
She didn't invite the Doctor there. The Doctor forced her way in and Tecteun clearly explains why she is destroying the universe in that episode.
@@BestBFam The Angels (working for Division, which Tecteun says she is in charge of) literally kidnap her and take her there against her will, - "You are recalled"!
And Tecteun clearly explains why she is destroying in the same way my answer to my favourite colour is "altitude". It's an answer, yes..... Destroying it because the Doctor ruined it. And also inviting the Doctor to the new Universe!
@@leipherd8118 What I mean is that the Doctor was supposed to die in the first wave of the Flux. But she obsorbed it with the Tardis. After that Tecteun devised a new plan. Tecteun explains it in the episode.
Can someone explain how the majority of the universe isn't just destroyed still by the flux? How did that get reversed or repaired? I honestly have no idea what happened that could have fixed that and not left everything gone
me too, lol.
There isn’t. It’s in ruins and it will probably be forgotten. How does the Doctor travel to krop tor in the 42nd century, or the Midnight planet in the future or the Orient Express… if everything post 2021 is ruined then there is nothing to travel to but clearly he has travelled everywhere… this era is best left forgotten from canon. If RTD doesn’t retcon, then the show did end in 2017 and what we have now is just fan fiction
The universe is so big that even with all the destruction you still would have millions of galaxies. That's a lot of real estate.
From what Chibnall said in the video, the Doctor prevented the Flux by using the passenger, and later on Jodie says the Doctor has essentially put an end to the destruction the Flux caused. I for one believe that while it was not properly said in the episode, the Universe has been restored, because once the Flux is removed from it, its effects also cease to exist, because like the Doctor said to Williamson, the Flux affects both past, present and future. So it never actually happened in the End, just like Big Bang Two or that plotline in Series 6. Only those in the eye of the Flux hurricane remember it, and those are the people that were in the TARDIS at that moment.
@@TheCNYMike but in 58 years no mention of any destruction in the future as opposed to pre 2021. It’s a complex show to just throw that in 58 years later without any consideration of that in the past, so in other words don’t make it an occurrence now
I think it could have been slightly better written, especially the last story
Eey! 😄
See what you did there.
I find it funny how he had the nerve to criticize Trial of a timelord when it was way better than anything he has ever or could ever produce lmao
"Slightly!" XD XD
In the same way Japan could have "slightly" planned their war strategy better pre Pearl Harbour.
Time flight was better than this crap.
I'm confused how a writer of Chibnall's caliber can time and time again mistake plot exposition for character development, growth, and personal character arcs. I figured out all the plot stuff described in the video yesterday, but I guarantee that it was so jumbled in its execution that it took quite a while thinking about it to figure out how it all came together (definitely not made easier by Tecteun's contradicting statements) - and I for sure hadn't seen it being talked about on twitter before this video came out. it shouldn't be that hard for the audience to figure out the main plot. nor should it take a video to explain it to the audience after the show airs. and even left unsaid in this video is the equation of the embodiment of Time equalling Death, and the Universe, and all its life, is Space - but the Doctor is literally the embodiment of Space because she can't die, only regenerate. her moniker of "the timeless child" is literally saying she's without Death. I find that all an extremely compelling idea for a story! it should have had the sole focus of this series and the last, instead of trying to put in so many secondary plots - with characters we never fully explore, or who are there just to service the plot - within a shortened series. where are the script editors? was Chibnall getting notes from them to trim down how much plot was getting shoved in this shortened series and he was just ignoring them?
and leaving any sort of personal character moments until a couple of scenes in the last episode really does the characters - and the actors - a disservice. honestly, the stuff between 13 and Yaz in the final episode was THE MOST we've ever gotten for interpersonal development over all 3 series, and also THE BEST part of the episode. just imagine what could have been if we had those interpersonal relationships explored over 30 episodes instead of like 2 episodes!
I found the series was generally enjoyable to watch, and had a good time with all of the fast-paced action, but man, the downside to that is that the story never has room to grow and deepen, let alone the characters getting the kind of focus they deserve.
I found the ending of this series to be very lazy writing
Nit talked about in twitter before this video?! You obviously weren't looking u. The right places. It was all over the place lol
@@anon5263 now this is a curious reply. How would you explain Broadchurch, then? It’s not my cup of tea, as I don’t like police procedurals, but it has decent and consistent characterization and storytelling, even if a lot of the resolution is left for the final episodes of each series.
And are you implying that Chris Chibnall was a scab during a union strike? If so, please provide details as I have never seen that mentioned, and it looks like what he was working on in 2008-9 was all in the UK, not the US where the WGA strike was happening. Did I miss something and the WGGB went out in sympathy?
Chris Chibnall could not write a shopping list let alone a doctor who script
@@anon5263 see, and that makes me curious about what the difference is between his work on Broadchurch and on Doctor Who, because it’s a pretty dramatic change over a relatively short period of time, and with back to back projects. Was it that there were different script editors (though Sam Hoyle came along from Broadchurch to DW for series 11)? Was there more compressed time in which to plan and execute the script writing and editing portions of the process before it went into filming? Were there directives from above his level as to how the show’s story should be structured? Did he just decide to focus so much more on plot than character for some reason? That’s the sort of questions I have about this whole thing. He’s obviously capable of writing characters and coherent stories, so what made the difference here?
I like how Chibnall tries to explain the Doctor’s decision to not open the watch as being the end of her arc throughout this series. The decision that it doesn’t matter who she was but rather it’s more important to be happy with who she is now was the conclusion she already came to at the end of series 12. What exactly was the arc in series 13?
"Identity and Adoption and stuff"
"Woman doctor go brrrrr"
I think it's very clear. It doesn't matter who you used to be. Where you come from, whether you know where or not, doesnt always matter. It's who you make yourself into that matters.
I think that realizing how hurt Karvanista was was a real eye opener for her. Imagine getting that many memories back at once and knowing all the people you may have let down. All the dark things she might have done for Tecteun. I imagine she decided it was better not to know at that point. Plus I think Chris was leaving it as a little gift for future show runners to play with if they want to.
Given how short this series was, I think the doctor, and really many of the characters, didn't have the big story arc and personal growth we've gotten used to. Flux is just one chapter and in this one she dealt with the effects of what had been done to her as a child, what her "mother" did. Went through not only meeting Tecteun face to face but lost her before any reckoning was possible, and in the end decided she's not ready yet to know what happened before, and who she'd been, but knowing she'd have to face it eventually entrusted it to her most trusted and consistent loved one, asking her to keep it until the time comes it's needed.
It's not as involved as previous stories but it's still a story.
"The Doctor kinda forgot about restoring the universe"
I understood that Dumb and Dumber reference :D
This series was the equivalent of my father taking an age to tell a simple story, getting side tracked by other things and then only at the last moment wrap it all up. 🤣 Having said that still better than the last few series before, glad Jodie is getting a chance to actually be the Doctor! ♥️
I can’t wait till she gone and is no longer the doctor so we can all forget about the 13th and pretend like it didn’t happen
@@gilgameshkingofheroes1319 I loved flux and the 13th doctor, she will forever be the doctor and the timeless child act will go on through out the rest of this shows life cycle, there’s no forgetting it.
Ok I think that's a little harsh not incorrect but still I enjoyed it and yea just a little harsh
@@connorchisholm4418 trust me that was me being nice
@@connorchisholm4418 you would not like to see what happens when I’m not nice
The funniest thing is, you don’t find anything out about the doctors feelings on the flux until Wild Blue Yonder. An episode that came out 2 years later
"the emotional fallout from discovering what had happened to her" but Chris, WE STILL DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED TO HER. throughout the whole season did she actually learn ANYTHING about herself or The Division? What, that the dog guy was her companion? That's it?!
Edit: also, if The Flux was created to erase The Doctor, why does Tecteun want to re-recruit The Doctor to Division and bring her to the next universe?
Edit 2: "Swarm and Azure I think were sworn enemies of the doctor" wait so even YOU don't know?!
Lmfaooooooooo I know right, he KEEPS repeating that yet only HE knows what is supposed to have had happened to her, how the hell are we supposed to relate at all if we have no idea what he's talking about.
Chris mean "she re-became a child", i think...
Yeah, the ending of her throwing away the watch could have been great if we even got a glimpse of her bad memories.
So far, nothing that has been shown from the Division era has been shown to be so bad for her. Only what Karvinista has said. If we'd seen a bit of what happened with Karvinista, it could have really been effective.
There's no motivation really, as is.
"Doctor. The word for healer and Wiseman throughout the universe. We get that word from you, you know." - River Song
Its good to know Chibnall had clear reasons for her dropping the watch but little to none of that really came through in the dialogue which is what really counts.
The look on her face after talking to Karvanista said it all for me. I think she realized that the Division/Tecteun serving Doctor might not be someone she wants to remember.
Prydonian, Swarm and Azure's dialog with the Doctor also talks about how painful and destructive recovering so many memories might be.
@@BestBFam yeah I got the vibe that she wants to know but doesn't want the memories
I still want to know how many doctors were there before, and how the TARDIS was a police box.
@@BestBFam the Doctor has already had such a problem with the Time War, and he successfuly got rid of it. Is it degradation back to "the man who forgets"?
It feels like this series either needed more episodes, or to not touch some of the plot threads. The doctor has the major victory over the Sontarans, and this doesn't leave much room to move when it comes to Swarm and Azure. If the Sontarans hadn't used the Grand Serpant to invade UNIT throughout history so Kate Stewart could reappear, introduced to the cast via Joseph Williamson's underground tunnels, perhaps the conclusion with Swarm and Azure would've been given more time and feel more satisfying. They were so good! I'm sad they've just been tricked and immediately destroyed without any more drama. Azure trying to explain her position and them torturing the doctor earlier in the episode work well. There's so many great ideas but I'm sad that one in particular didn't have a satisfying resolution.
Unfortunately, the pandemic got in the way. We are probably lucky we got a series at all. I, too, wish there were more Azure and Swarm. I wanted to know their backstory and exactly why they were imprisoned to begin with.
@@sallyatticum Yup, I'm certainly happy with what we got, especially seeing the angles done brilliantly!
@@TravellerDalek I'm not nearly as invested in those franchies unfortunatly, but it's true and prior doctor who finales like 'the end of the world' attempt to solve everything but fall flat in places (like torchwood having nothing much to do). That showrunner thing was weird though, but I more got the impression it was going to leak and they had to preempt that by releasing a press release rather than BBC heads responding to any form of backlash. Definitely not a whiner though, we got some pretty smashing moments in the season too~
As I remember there meant to be something like 8. They'd even been written. But lockdowns and the pandemic out paid to that and things had to be changed.
They were wasted just like the lone cyberman last season. Why des Chibnall create such neat villains only to immediately kill them off???
Chibnall knew Flux was such a confusing mess he would need to make a whole video explaining stuff that should have been obvious if he had down it right.
Sure, because he is the only writer or show runner in history to have done this.
@@LukasOfTheLight That's a matter of opinion. I stopped watching midway through Matt Smith's era until I decided I needed to watch just in cases it was important for the 50th.
@Tom Meehan If they're bad, then Flux is practically a war crime. S9 is a masterpiece, quite possibly the most deep, consistently-themed, and beautifully-written run that Doctor Who has ever had, with it's two best lead actors, it's best director, it's best composer, and even containing it's best-ever episode and three-part finale. S6 and S3 are also strong. S2 and S7 are the mis-steps of their relative show-runners but they still bring a hell of a lot more to the table than this confused amateur fanfiction.
@@sallyatticum Okay, you didn't watch the most-watched version of the show ever created, that's fine. The characterisation, theme, direction, score, editing, and most importantly writing and acting were all of a much higher level than this jumble of poor ideas. There's more concept, theme, uniqueness, and strong writing in The God Complex alone than there was in the entirety of this series, which managed to simultaneously mean nothing and also literally make no sense.
@@LukasOfTheLight Again, your opinion. If you didn't understand, that's your problem. I agree about the score, and to an extent, the acting. Other than that, I disagree. And I didn't say I didn't watch. I stopped watching but went back and caught up because of the upcoming 50th. I am not the only one that disliked that era. Again, opinions. And the editing and directing in this series was terrific, considering the limitations placed on them due to the pandemic.
Tecteun is "The ultimate scientist with no regard for the moral context of what she's doing." Fascinating. That was the exact definition of The Rani (Kate O'Mara), by her creators, the writers Pip & Jane Baker in the mid-1980s. I wonder if Mr Chibnall has subconsciously recalled that and reimagined it. Or ... was Tecteun the Rani? Hmm ...
Nah, he just made his own Rani. The real Rani doesn't give a crap about people. In The Mark of The Rani, she smugly tells The Doctor trees live longer than humans after Luke stepped on her booby trap and was transformed into a tree.
I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought this. Bro, you're describing the Rani, a villain from the period of the show you famously hate. It's so funny how much his era fails in the same places that 80s Who did. His words must taste good, because he seems to love eating them.
My friend Bill once said complicated doesn't automatically mean well written and then you make a 15min and 47sec video file to then explain it sort tells you something you can't admit to.
Remember the garbage explanations and self jusrifications he used to give the audience about his scripts for Torchwood on BBC3? 15 years he's been getting away with this.🙇
Oh how the tides have changed, in 1989 the BBC was intent of killing off Doctor Who and it was the fans trying anything to keep it alive, original adventure books and audio plays fitting into the cannon and not destroying it.
Now we are in a new century where the fans have all but destroyed Doctor Who
and its the BBC who are trying to save it.
@@daniledrake4137
That point is actually even more poignant than you might think.
If you remember, Andrew Cartmel heavily politicised the scripts at the time (with what people saw as 'Left Wing' [(sic) actually the same moral dimension as normal mostly, but with 1980s rhetoric introduced with s nod and a wink] polemic and in-jokes, and the BBC got very scared at the time and this pretty much hastened their decision on the show apart from not wanting to make it in-house with their own money at TVC anymore).
Now we have the program - this delicate, previously well crafted program - being misused as an ideological battering ram (which of course it's not capable of being) by a small cabal of the Plastic Left like Piers Wenger (grifters in other words) and now the show is having to be taken out of BBC Studios hands potentially by Russell T and money from Sony. Reminds me of what Terry Dicks used to joke about history repeating itself - never in such a perverted and ironic way as this!
I think it would be better to have more of the Division in S11 and S12, to actually see the big impact of The Division on the universe and how The Doctor actually disturb the work of it.
For example:
S11
The Ghost Monument - episode, where we find about something called 'The Division' and where we would learn that the planet was devastated bcs The Division needed a big Petri dish.
It Takes You Away - episode, where we can see somebody from The Division helping to The Doctor to ''close'' the antizone.
S12
Praxeus - episode, where The Division created the the praxeus to destroy the beloved planet of The Doctor. Also the episode, where we find out that the headmaster of The Division wants to destroy The Doctor.
Can You Hear Me? - episode, where we find out that Zellin and Rakaya were locked by The Division for some reason we don't know.
You know it’s bad when UA-cam comments suggest things way better than what we actually got
In only Division had been concieved of by Season 11 lol
@@provisionalhypothesis and it’s even easier when the guy who wrote it is a hack who should’ve never gotten the job.
The editing and pacing has been a constant problem with this era. This continues into the season finale which felt like 2 episodes smashed into one.
If it weren’t for covid, this series may have been more fluid in my opinion.
It felt like 3 episodes smashed in one. The doctor literally split up into three. Chibnal missed the chance to have One of the three 13s die and regenerate into the fugitive. Doubt the fugitive will ever be explained
@@JEEEVANJOHN I feel like blaming covid is not good. If you don't have the time to tell the story, start editing. JMS had to cram 2 seasons worth of story into one and he did it rather well. That was wrapping up 4 seasons worth of plot lines and stories. Here, Mr. Chibnall hurt himself through his adding stuff that seems useless and never wrapping it up. He knew that he had only 6 episodes, so edit the story, focus on the most important parts and leave out extraneous characters. Did we need Diane? Heck did we truly need Dan? Did we need two villains, could just one have been as successful, or could they have been stuck together and gotten out some other way? Could we have had the Grand Serpent release them perhaps? I'm not a writer, but those are just a couple of things that could have reduced wasted time. The Guru on the mountain... funny lines... was it necessary or was it padding. Did Dan really need to be told to fetch his dog? Ha ha funny.
For the hardcore Who fan, I think the pacing won't be a big issue. I criticized it, but we need to take into account that there were severe edit cuts this season, so having a season was better than none all things considered since we were supposed to get a full season. But for newcomers, series 11 will be mid-ground, with S12 being a bit like S7 in terms of scale and back lore - it's heavy but for those who don't know the Doctor, I think it's a well-measured journey. S13 has generally exceeded my expectations in practically everything, but it's very heavy for newcomers, as it could require lots of attention to detail and an open mindset. Even the most casual fans will have a tough time get all the pieces.
But also take series like 4, 5 and 9 into account, that's when Doctor Who is not afraid to get really crazy and eccentric and tries to spew every single thing at the same time. Fans don't shy away of this kind of format, but give it to newcomers and casual viewers and some of them will be tired and confused from it quite quickly, especially if the human connection isn't there. Some of them may even find it cheesy by regular tv standards. But when pacing gets too mushy, it can be difficult for some to keep up (which Doctor Who is also known for when it's doing complex timey wimey stuff, but that's Doctor Who for you).
The argument "you should've paid more attention" really doesn't work, because if the show made me invested enough, I would be.
Love how we got more info from this video than the actual show
maybe don't blame the show for your inability to understand what happened???? a rewatch would've helped btw, there's been a lot of foreshadowing and teases
@@dantedash the show was a confusing mess that did very little to explain what was going on. It’s a completely fair criticism to blame the show for the majority of people not understanding what happened
@@dantedash You shouldn't have to watch something twice to understand what was going on.
Thicc Oil I agree
@@Qarth56 And I didn't lol because I actually paid attention? People are too used to the standalone episode style of DW. Flux was like literally any other show ever, I don't understand why people have complained every week saying "I don't understand". You're not exactly supposed to yet? Even now after Flux is over, 13's story isn't yet. Give it some time and then we'll talk about whether it made sense or not
Chibnall directly telling people what its about is more coherent than the actual show 🥲
Exactly. This arc was anticlimactic.
Actually it’s pretty coherent. If you actually watch it, it lays out that the flux is an universe ending threat the ravagers are dangerous. The whole cracks in the universe storyline from series 5 gave you even less to go with.
@@Phantom19913 yea and you understood it at the end. This spent the entire series trying to explain it. Key word trying
@@Phantom19913 The cracks were meant to be incredibly vague, whereas these were the main villains that nobody (even now) really knows their deal. The Flux was also incredibly inconsistent. Everything ended in a way that still leaves way more questions than it should.
@@Gxbbzee but the ravagers weren’t the main enemy. It wouldn’t be the first time television hyped up an antagonist only to be like oh it was someone else all along. How was the Flux inconsistent btw. They never actually explained in the cracks in the universe how the silence managed to actually hack the tardis. Or how they could keep the doctor out of the universe. Plus the main villain was the division they engineered the flux because the doctor had disrupted their control.
Episodes 1-5 "I WANT TO KNOW WHO I WAS"
Episode 6: AAAAAAH, I´M TEESING YOU!!!!!!
And so my work begins.
and so her work begins
Lol, I’m excited to see what you have to say.
Looking for that with much excitement!
can’t wait to see it in 2023!
Jay please, the internet cant take another video longer than 30 minutes, they can't handle it
Can't wait for Jodie's stories to start at Big Finish (someday, God willing).
Yeah, I think she could be great with good writers, which Big Finish has.
Definitely needed at least 8 episodes to wrap it up especially when Chibnall added loads of extra story threads like Bel and Vinder, and the Grand Serpent which ended up being completely pointless
Unfortunately those extra episodes had to be cut due to Covid
@@Izanami037 No, they already knew they weren't gonna be able to make a full-length series, so they made a 6 episode story. It's not like there was originally more that were all cut
@@Izanami037 then he should have cancelled the show for this year, or come up with a plot more manageable for a story this short.
He's a creative idiot who fails in everything he does. He's the writing equivalent of diphtheria.
@@ThePsycoDolphin That’s not how that works. BBC decides those things.
Don't you think he looks tired?
Flux was a good concept that was executed poorly. At least it was better than the last 2 series, but that was not exactly difficult.
The Flux was its own story arc; the problem is when the show had theyre shortest series to date, they got 3 series story arcs at the same time; Vinder-Grand Serpent-Sontarans, Swarm and Azure plus Tecteun releasing the Flux. All that at the same time in 6 episodes. All very messy
Bad concept that executed the show*
who said it was a good concept?
It's a good concept for it's own show. Chris should have created his own miniseries instead of dragging Doctor Who into that shitshow.
It could've been a lot better. It could've been slightly better written, specially the last episode. Not only that but it was also very cliché, very routine running up and down corridors from silly monsters.
😆
Best comment in all of time and space.
I agreed with you until you said it was cliche... it really wasn't how you describe it there. I mean, you did actually see it didn't you? the whole thing was a total headfuck, so far away from doctor who cliches that I would have preferred them to use a few of the old chesnuts just to reign it in a bit!
@@TravellerDalek I'm just going to leave this here... ua-cam.com/video/zSuxFK6Hhvw/v-deo.html Chris Chibnall speaking about Doctor Who in 1986
I nearly ripped my spleen laughing from this
Ok but what about the entire universe… everything except earth was completely destroyed by the final flux event so what happens now. There was no mention of the universe resetting after swarm and azure were beaten so to our knowledge there is nothing else but apparently the dalek are back next episode so what’s going on?
We still have some specials to go...
I'm pretty sure the doctor will try to fix this during the specials
If Chibnall forgot about it,damn,that will be the last nail on the coffin for me lmao
I always took for granted how giddy and excited both RTD and Moffat get when talking about all things Doctor Who!
I can't get past one minute of this.
And not sure why Jodie is talking about Swarm and Azure meeting what to them is the ultimate humiliation because Azure seemed pretty excited to die :') I swear she had a big cheesy smile and raised her arms pleased to 'ascend' or whatever lmao. Honestly Azure and Swarm were the only redeeming qualities of this entire season and they just literally got Thanos'd lol.
Azure seemed to welcome death, but Swwarm with his "NO!" less so. And Time (disguised as Swarm) just told them, that they failed big time. I mean that's pretty discouraging, coupled with the shortly followed demise.
Hearing Chibnall talk about the Doctor's emotional journey this series is strange... Because he's telling us that it's the same as her emotional journey in the previous series. The exact same arc with the exact same points. The same decisions over the same issues.
The whole thing seemed pointless. Now it doesn't just _seem_ pointless, it's official.
One thing you can say about the BBC foisting this on us for years is at least it's invented a new dimension to the viewing experience, which is basically like that of GALLOWS HUMOUR, certainly having read some Comments here and seen the Reviews. It's a new experience as a seasoned viewer.
2017+ WHO is more like turning up to watch a football team dropping down the leagues, staffed entirely by 12 year olds and the Elderly. Only worse
The doctor has no emotional journey, but whenever one of her extremely boring companions tried opening up to her she showed that she had as much emotional depth as a low-functioning autistic recluse. I remember when Graham opened up to her about his fear of getting cancer again, and she just said something like "I'm supposed to say something reassuring, aren't I? I'm going to go over to the controls now and think about what I should have said hehhehhh" IT WAS SO AWKWARD! God, I hate Chibnall's awful writing so much!
“It’s really important I think in any era of Doctor Who for the Doctor to have an emotional journey, to have an arc and to start one place and go on a voyage of discovery through their time on the show and I always knew this was going to be the arc for Jodi’s Doctor and that the third series would be about exploring the fallout from the information she got at the end of the Timeless Children.” - Chris Chibnall
Is that why the Doctor seemed so flat and two dimensional in the previous two series; because she didn’t have a planned arc and wasn’t on an emotional journey or voyage of discovery? Having an arc shows a character growing over a series. Squeezing almost all of that arc into one series of six episodes (at the expense of the previous two series) smacks of poor planning, direction, and continuity.
Honestly I still don’t really understand what the villain’s motivation was. It seems to just boil down to the fact that they wanted revenge for the Doctor defeating them in the past and the motivation for them doing things in the past is just because they’re evil.
isn't that the motivation for a lot of the monster of the week?
@@LexiPopuli In a lot of cases sure but these aren’t monsters of the week. They were the main antagonists in a six part series and their origins and mystery was dragged out and hinted at all throughout. Just to turn out to be pretty one dimensional.
I'm sorry, not trying to be rude, but did you miss the whole thing about Time being trapped and controlled by the Mauri and them trying to release Time because they worshipped it as a god figure?
@@benwilson5031 Yes - I was being force fed CG-
eye-candy!
@@LexiPopuli haha, fair
"We know the presentation of this series isn't going to be good, so lets make it *as messy as possible* so that people can't even see what's going on! We can just follow it up with a video where I personally explain the plot in a way that makes it sound more coherent than how it was actually presented in the show, and people will think it was expertly crafted."
Yeah. Right. *I see you.*
100%
There was a story?
Watching this is reminding me of the behind the scenes videos from Season 8 of Game of Thrones.
Based on the “map” thing on Division, there were still some galaxies left in this universe, but what about those which were devoured by the Flux? What happened to them? Older series finales have tried to reverse what happened in the universe, and it was even hypothesised by the Doctor to the Ood (saying something along the lines of everything that was compressed can be decompressed). I doubt the Doctor wouldn’t have tried to reverse the effects of the Flux before feeding it to the Passenger.
Loved the series and Thirteen, but there were quite some threads which weren’t tied up at all!
Honestly, this is the kind of thing that could be incredible to see the consequences of in future (and should have been acknowledged in the finale), but we'll see if Chibnall decides to in the specials next year.
If not, maybe RTD will try and use it for his own plot at some point.
The cgi in this was actually really good with the flux tearing apart the planets and it all looked really beautiful to see broken galaxies
Agreed!
@@LukasOfTheLight overall it’s exceptional
@@LukasOfTheLight the angels were the best part about the CGI, Once, Upon Time looked repulsive but other than that a masterpiece. Particularly the Flux shots and turning into an angel
@@LukasOfTheLight idk wym but it’s gone down as one of the best CGI moments in Doctor Who, rewatch the ep 4 cliffhanger and the flux shots in the first ep
@@LukasOfTheLight exactly
Here are some issues that this video did not address that I would like the BBC and Chris Chibnall to addess: if Lupari are species-bonded to humans and show up to protect their humans from imminent extinction, why haven't they ever shown up before 2021 to protect humankind when it was in danger of extinction (as it has been in many previous episodes)? Also, if their ships completely surrounded Earth to protect it from the Flux, why was there daylight anywhere on Earth at that time? Their ships would have blocked out all sunlight, including the light reflected off the moon, and blocked out all starlight, so it would have been a pitch-black night everywhere on Earth for as long as their ships surrounded Earth, and there were clearly scenes taking place in full daylight while the Lupari ships were still enclosing the Earth's atmosphere. Also, even if the Lupari protected Earth itself, the Flux would have destroyed all the other planets and moons in our solar system and it would have destroyed our sun, so our entire solar system would have been destroyed anyway; without an intact sun to orbit, Earth would still be doomed. It would have made much more sense for the Lupari to have created a solid wall with their ships (like they eventually did in episode 6 of "Flux") at the edge of our solar system in order to protect all of the humans on Earth. Also, how did the Sontaran interference in the Crimean War get undone, resetting the history back to what it was originally? These are just a few of the apparent plot holes and inconsistencies in "Flux" that this video does not address.
A perfect example of Chibs' "Tell - don't show!" ethos: a video in which we are TOLD all the things that we should have been SHOWN.
I just wished they’d given what Chibnall said near the end about identity to Thirteen as a proper speech for Flux. We only got to really extrapolate the reason for the action regarding the fob, but it would have been a great speech for Jodie (because I don’t think she has a defining Doctor speech yet?) because she’s great. Loved it nonetheless!
What about her speech on Love in Demons of the Punjab? As someone who has yet to feel a connection with anyone on that level, to be so unconditionally loved that vows are spoken to galvanise it for all time, it certainly inspires hope (in this mind, at the very least) that no-one is beyond, or undeserving of, such a special bond.
Remember when people said Moffat era stories were convoluted
Lol those were the days
Wow. Really quite unbelievable that this behind-the-scenes makes more sense than the actual storyline. I mean, don't get me wrong this is the best series Chibnal has had in dw in my opinion. But still, there's so much confusion and lack of coherency in the arc that he explains in this bts. Like if he understands the story so well why didn't he help the audience to while we were watching it? I'm very confused that he can see his vision so well but so poorly piece it together. I enjoyed flux, but it still left me wanting at the end. There's so much unexplained and way too much jam-packed in. It just doesn't get a satisfying resolution. There's no seamless logic in it, just more questions. Just my opinion, obviously, but wow.
So it takes 15 minutes to explain a 6 part series, good work Chibs
So did Tecteun not realize that other Doctors might be in the other univers. So Tecteum wanted to get rid of the universe to kill the Doctor and yet also invited the Doctor to the other Univers as well. Tecteun definitely had some damentia going on.
All that needs to be said can be summed up in one short sentence. Thank goodness RTD is returning!
Yes man that's true
Him forcing Chibnall to make 13 regenerate into David Tennant AGAIN shows just how awful his second era is going to be. RTD ran out of ideas over a decade ago. His second era isn't going to be any better than Chibnal's, possibly even worse
I mean The Doctor will probably open that fob watch in the final special which may in fact cause whatever personality the 14th Doctor will have.
I couldn't stomach season 11. I'm just now after all these years getting to season 12. All I want is people who have an actual personality in the show again. People who grow with the show as it progresses.
@@provisionalhypothesis "after all this years" it only came out last year
@@Chiggins_ Long story short I haven't watched in a long time. I stopped with the old guy and his refusal. I loved the show, but with her as the doctor she's been immensly missing something that makes her "THE doctor". I believe its bad companions that make everything feel more garbage. Like having one at a time or two there was some banter and it made the characters enjoyable, but this? It's lacking in so many ways. There is no more dona noble or the fire redhead and her sometimes probably manfriend who's scared and looks like he should be. The characters are drab which make her drab and its unfair to her she has so many people around. Suggesting what the REAL doctor would have already known and she'd have been at least 20 steps ahead. The doctor I know uses companions to not end the race of things. She acts like she's a fresh born child and says others have good ideas when in dangerous situations? It's just not THE DOCTOR anymore its those people who act fully like humans. Even her.
@@Inklers You're not wrong. Doctor Who is utter garbage right now. Thankfully RTD is coming back as showrunner if you haven't heard already
@@SceneSurgeSnippets Oh. Then I'm stoked about every single season after this. You are the news bringer of the heavens man. I hope and assume this means the things that feel like they're missing will get resolved. You're the first person here to make me feel sane my guy. Much love.
@@Inklers It's important to remember that this is the comments section of a Doctor Who video so it's likely the comments here will overwhelmingly be from fans of the current era, so it can feel like our general opinions that are shared my the majority of people who used to watch Doctor Who but don't any more are being drowned out here. Chibnall is an awful writer. His era is utterly boring and a hot steaming pile of garbage. Nothing is coherently written, all the characters feel like they're just reading lines, they don't feel like real people and the acting for the most part is subpar.
That being said, we're getting 3 specials from Jodie and Chibnall in 2022 where she'll regenerate in the last of those specials, and Russell T Davies will be taking over the show for the 60th anniversary special in 2023 and series beyond
What i have gotten from the female doctor episode's
Visually and graphically the show has improved spectacularly...... that's it
Given how it was in part referenced as a conflict between space and time (at least through Swarm), couldn't the Flux just cause the entire timeline playout on locations hit by it like Wedding of River Song? Also since it's made up of Anti Matter, couldn't Omega have been involved?
Maybe centenary
It's possible, but very unlikely. The Wedding of River Song was a closed ripple event in Utah created by a fixed point that eventually was undone by the circumstances that created it: the destruction of the Doctor Teselecta. While the Flux didn't affect the Earth in space, it affected in time (at least in fragments of it), so some circumstances would've repeated themselves, or a more likely scenario, the events would've changed altogether. Here's a cool thing though: It could be made into multi-Doctor specials and spin-offs because Doctors and companions were technically intertwined with those events in time, even explaining how other Doctors averted similar events like the Sontarans, the Weeping Angels and others. That's probably a story for the expanded media.
As for the Antimatter, we thought alike but Antimatter can be used by anyone (even humans), but since it was Division that controlled the Flux and Division was created on Gallifrey since before Omega discovered time travel, it's quite probable that Omega worked on the Flux before he was betrayed and imprisoned in an Antimatter universe. It has all the signs of Omega, but lets not forget he wasn't the only scientist on Gallifrey and he was mostly known for time travel and dimensions.
I liked 13 when she was involved in a good story. It's a shame she didn't get to work with Davis or Moffat.
Anyone else get a little lost halfway? Thats when i realized how much was going on and here i am, lost.
I used to work for a security company which installed all the temporary CCTV systems on the sets. So I was lucky enough to walk around all these sets when filming was not going on and nobody was there! All I can say it was brilliant and interesting to look at a good number of it was filmed in a old print works in a industrial estate in Cardiff that’s all I can say😅
Why do I get the feeling the Master is gonna take those memories.
You know Chibnall can’t get the breakdown of the flux himself by writing that he had to talk about it himself
He's Fluxed it up completely (everybody else has punned this title and I've been holding on for weeks aaaaahhhhhh).
Had the timeless child been the master I could have accepted it, that would have been clever and would not have ruined the known canon. But well done Chibbs you killed it!
Which Tardis is the fob watch in?
RTD said there will be evidence in a future episode that it's the same TARDIS.
9:10 "The doctor is being tortured". Funny how in the show that mostly gets shown as Jodie looking like she needs a nap. I think she's a very capable actress, so it seems like the failure here lies with the writing and direction. Go figure.
This channel should feel fortunate that UA-cam has removed the dislikes counter. Can't hide from the shows viewing numbers though ...
I really miss doctor who I have no idea what this clusterf&@k is😢
Cheers for clearing that up Chris. Now off you pop.
This needed to be release before that excuse for a finale aired
This is a lot like the dialogue Chibs writes. Only he can make the devastation of the universe a truly boring ordeal.
To say “Not defined by past, this is me” is nuts considering the show.
Discovering a characters past or ret-conning one doesn’t necessarily mean that character is going to change in the present unless the memories locked were so starkly different compared to now.
Beg’s the question, with unlimited regenerations, how much time did the Division take?
Given the memories back, do you think it would be enough to undermine all the other good the Doc has done?
Also, does any other show need a recap of 3 episodes?
I don't know... To me the last episode felt really rushed, it seemed they just realised they only had one episode left and had to make everything happen very very fast
Flux was definitely Jodie's best series. Honestly, I think the Division storyline had/has a lot of potentials, but PERSONALLY the Timeless Childness of it all I'm not the biggest fan of. The Doc, in the past, being a part of black-ops organizations of Time Lords: Awesome! The Doc not even being Gallifreyan, is the source of regeneration and has had BILLIONS of lives: Not as awesome.
Understandable. I felt that sinking feeling when I saw the episode that revealed the Doctor's had more regenerations than they could remember. On the bright side, it does put the Doctor in the spotlight and give them canonical justification for being the most "important" character in the whoniverse. It also opens the door to the Doctor finding out which universe they came from and why they were sent through the wormhole.
The Doctor really didnt need to be put on even more of a pedestal.
@@stingfan4 yes. It was enough that she was a time traveling alien. What next?
“You gave her billions of regenerations. Well I trump your billions with trillions!”
“Oh, yeah! Well you have trillions of regenerations. I’ll write a script where it’s revealed that The Doctor is God!”
It built up good but ended up worse than "meh".
Your a baby
@@themonado5030 Learn grammar first.
That’s a sign of bad writing. It’s so easy to create mysteries and problems and make it SEEM like there’s a lot going on and that it’s all gonna pay off eventually. A child can do that. It takes skill to end the series satisfyingly and tie up/answer all the mysteries and questions you created.
Remember watching Doctor Who and understanding the episodes without having to go online searching for answers? I miss that. Flux was very confusing and tremendously unfulfilling. It was like six episodes of “Ghost Light” with better special effects.
The more I watch this explanation I think that flux is probably one of the best ideas and concepts doctor who has seen. Just a shame it was executed in the worst way possible
It was already executed much better at the end of season 4, when RTD did this exact plot before.
If it had just one or two plotlines, it COULD HAVE been great, yes. But instead it has like 11 plot lines over 6 episodes most of which go nowhere. Everything interesting in Series 12 is rendered pointless in Series 13
I wish this series had lasted at least 4 more episodes so that it could have time to actually deal with all of its plot threads in a satisfying way
@@anon5263 It's essentially a paradox. On the one hand you want the stories better explained, characters fleshed out, and plotholes fixed, which could be solved with more episodes.
But Chibnall is more likely to add more confusing plotlines and unneccessary details leading to even more convoluted finale.
@@anon5263 hahaha
To make the plot threads more dealt with… remove sontarans and their episode despite being good for ep 2 and have more swarm and azure stuff and travelling the universe seeing it wrecked to find the stolen Yaz and Dan… have no vinder, bel, grand serpent, rewriting units history, Kate Stewart’s fanfare appearance. Then most of ep 2, 5 and 6 could focus on the flux swarm azure and time and the doctors memories, some character development for the 3 years spent apart and Jericho dying… the tunnels led to division and the characters all help to defeat the main threat… but we ask too much of chibnall
They probably should have just replaced the series with this video
It’s mad it’s been so long this flux came out and I’ve rewatched it twice and even after this I still couldn’t tell you what the hell happens in it. And the fact this era built to this plot point and it just fell so flat and was outright ignored by the new year special is ridiculous. Such a shame though as it had so much potential
Im more confused than when i started this video
"I feel like they put Azure into this memory wipe like witness protection scheme on Earth" - Yeah that really didn't come through in the script, also what do you mean "I feel", you invented the character and her story, you should know what her background is.
Nah I did think that was a pretty clear. She says “who put this thought in my head?” It was obvious to me that it was a chameleon arch style illusion where she didn’t know who she really was. It was her prison.
But yeah it is weird that Chibnall says he “feels” it rather than knows it.
@@MichaelO2000 That's fair, I can't remember the line, and I feel a few reviews I've watched have also been confused by Azure appearing as human, so maybe it got lost in the audio mix for some :)
Actually I got that right away.
They don’t mention it in this video but I’m so glad that the Doctor and Yaz were able to have a touching reunion. Those kinds of moments are what solidify the show overall- how these kinds of things affect the Doctor on a deeper level and how that in turn affects their companions. That’s always been what Doctor Who is about for me.
Yes! ❤❤
If Ryan George were to do a Pitch Meeting for Flux, he would be 65 years old by the time he finished writing the script.
Id pay to see that.
...in 30 years when its done
Maybe having to explain the plot should tell you something?
This feels more like the pitch meeting over the series rather than what was shown on screen
Did the BBC not learn anything from Game of Thrones? If you have to provide “explainers” like this for your series, then you’ve probably done a terrible job. We should not need this! It should be clear from the product they made. Surely the point of writing a story is to tell a story, not to write a barely coherent and poorly structured jumble of events and plots with a 15 minute explainer posted cowardly to the publisher’s UA-cam channel?
I’ve always loved this show. I watched with mild anxiety to see how Chibs and Whittaker would continue the story. I watched every week as this show was not just poorly written, but actively ruined by arrogance and hubris.
I can only continue hoping that it will ~eventually~ get better.
Even the Doctor getting split into three places isn't entirely unique when you consider "The Day of the Doctor" & "The Three Doctors," just the same thing with three incarnations.
The Rani : ' My icy cold amoral nature and vast scientific knowledge make me the supreme evil . " Tecteune : " Hold my beer ."
Only three more episodes guys
ONLY THREE MORE EPISODES
So many plot holes with no real coherent or interesting story. Really hope this is retconned when Davies returns. The Doctor was never supposed to be the center of a Hollywood Blockbuster story.
Exactly. Just a person with a time machine not some immortal superhero. An immortal doctor removes any real conflict.
it's not like his era didn't have plot holes or stories lacking coherence too. His era has lots of blockbuster moments too with the Doctor.
@@ShamrockParticle The dialogue wasnt boring. The audience wasnt spoon fed the plot.
There was good plots there, alien occupied earth with a compromised UNIT and kate leading a resistance, thats a good 2 parter.
My theory is the missing memories are the events of Season 6B. Division is the Celestial Intervention Agency, and The Doctor run through a few regenerations including The Fugitive Doctor incarnation while working for Division, and they restored their cycles after wiping their memory.
That would explain why The Fugitive Doctor had a police box TARDIS, as it only got stuck in that shape after An Unearthly Child, so she can't be pre-Hartnell. The only thing that makes sense is the missing time is Season 6B.
Okay so, what happened to the Cyber Masters? It's been a year so I almost forgot, and it looks like Chibs forgot too. They were normal Cybermen when they showed up in Flux. Man deleted the whole universe so he didn't have to finish any of his plotlines. Why am I not surprised?
Those wernt the cyber masters those were the cybermen "warrior class". The cybermasters only evder appeared at the one scene at the end of the timeless children. The "warrior class" cybermen are this eras redesign.
The cyber masters were destroyed in The Timeless Children
Wait if division was created to destroy the Doctor why did they hire her in the timeless Children?
They weren't created to destroy the Doctor. The Division was created as a secret group to interfere and the Fugitive Doctor was one of them. Now they see her as a traitor because she left them and because she inspires people, so now they want to destroy her.
Tecteun was killing her with the Flux but the Doctor absorbed it with the Tardis. So Tecteun changed plans. That is when Tecteun tried to bribe her with her memories and the idea of keeping Earth from destruction.
Glad some one has an idea of what all that is about. Cos I still don' have a single clue.
I love stories based on the brightest star in the sky. The one that wanders.
Okay but like, the flux still destroyed most of the universe right? Pretty sure they don't acknowledge that.
Guys,stop throwing salt in the wound please. Chibnall,you had 5 years,3 seasons and you did way less than you said in this video. Your ideas are probably nice but the execution is terrible.
We have just 3 episodes left,let's just move on. This kind of stuff only makes Jodie and the show look bad,c'mon. Don't explain it now,you had/have 9 episodes to do it,and you didn't.
I've been supportive of this era but enough is enough.
I don't get it tho.
People always complain about Chibnall being too descriptive and explaining with his dialogue and stories.
But if for once, you are asked to think for yourself and draw the connections, you criticise exactly that.
So they upload a video explaining it and now you even complain about that.
What do you actually want? Just asking, I don't mean to offend anyone.
@@potterpenguin7285 the problem isn't even that I have to draw conclusions,I did that. I get it,the doctor didn't want to open the fob watch,but I also get the "why have we gone through all of this then?" crowd. And then for Chibnall to come here and explain all this stuff,it's embarrassing for the show and for him as a writer. Idk...besides,this kind of stuff only draws more hate for this era,and we already have enough of negativity. Like,yeah,Flux is over,we can watch,have our opinions and interpretations and just move on. We only have 3 episodes left with Chibs as the showrunner.
@@jvictor001 I stil don't get how a writer describing his thought process is embarrassing. It's what literally every other showrunner has done before. That is kinda the whole point of a behind-the-scenes.
Anyways, have a nice day
"Wanting to know and getting to know are different things" Yes you're right, Chris. I Wanted to know what Dr. Who Flux was about, but I do not Get to know
not even a mention of yaz or dan or bel or vinder or the grand serpent or Kate or the weeping angels or the tunnels... it's almost like they added nothing to the story
If you think about it, they didn't.
@@MrSukram777 yeah that's what i meant
Why is this better than the actual episode
I'm not sure what to make of this. It's pretty shocking that the BBC has to release a 15 minute video trying to explain the plot of what should be an accessible family TV show. At first I thought that they had got Chibnall in under duress after broadcast to try and explain what had just happened but the fact that Jodie is there in costume implies that they knew it made no sense ages ago! What a mess and such a shame because Flux could have been glorious with more focus and tighter plotting.
It may be that they'd already recorded Jodie's bits for the BluRay special features (the BTS for each episode usually has a few sentences here and there recapping the events of the episode) and spliced them in with Chibnall so it wasn't just fifteen minutes of him talking.
For an audience that's more than half disappeared, that's too much effort BBC.
5:22 is like a conversation between a narcissistic abusive parent and her daughter
I'm pretty sure that's what's supposed to be depicted since Tecteun did force her to regenerate several times as her child to unlock the secret of regeneration.
so, is the next season then playing in a devastated universe full of destroyed planets and stars? did the earths sun survive at all, given that the shield was only around planet earth?