1975 European Cup Final Rainer Zobel "It was a goal"
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- Опубліковано 8 лис 2015
- Rainer Zobel talk's about the highly controversial 1975 European Cup Final between Bayern Munich and Leeds Utd.
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Peter Lorimer Top 20 Goals
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Leeds Utd were a great team and deserved to win. Different class. The whole game was robbed and the goal that was disallowed was a total disgrace.
GIRUY.
Indeed - more nefarious activity from UEFA Officials when English teams concerned - been pretty blatant over many years. When you have its former President - Platini - openly coughing to fixing the World Cup draw, a multi billion pound event - and nothing is done, no more needs to be said. RIP Peter Lorimer - one of the greatest shots in the game. A Scouse Red.
Leeds were not a GREAT team but were unfortunate with two penalty decisions here. Like a lot of English teams at this time they had a lot pressure but resorted to a lot of high balls and didn't make many clear chances. Bayern had more class. Leeds could not have destroyed Atletico Madrid in the way Bayern did in the final the previous year.
@@gunternetzer9621 Piss off Leeds were a fantastic footballing side as they showed over many seasons and they hands down played Bayern off the park as they did Barca your clearly clueless .
Nah , it's hysterical . Leeds got exactly what they deserved :)
I was 15 at the time and cried my eyes out at the injustice of the defeat. Leeds were robbed. Lorimer scored a legitimate goal Clarke was brought down. Leeds were the best team in Europe at the time.
Leeds should have been reduced to 10 men after that disgraceful tackle by Yorath
@@supportme123 so should they for that tackle on clarke
@@doz_mtm_3087 Was that the one by Schwarzenbeck?
Karma came knocking on Bayerns door in the European Cup Final
26th May 1982.
Villa 1 - 0 Bayern Munich
i cried as well Leeds won that
Not a Leeds fan but the injustice is their for all too see in this match. The Referee might well have wore a Red shirt on the night. Absolutely nothing wrong with Lorrimers goal, and a stonewall penalty for the Beckenbauer foul on Clarke not given. Oh thank God for VAR now, long overdue I'd say.
Expect more of it, no one likes brexit britain.
@@captainwin6333 It's not as simple as people think. I remember this at the time and have looked at it a lot over the years and I think the key to the whole thing is what did the linesman do immediately the goal was scored and what was the conversation between him and the referee. Bremner WAS in an offside position and could have been said to have been interfering with play - it's a subjective decision - some referees would have given it and some not. Kitabjian signalled for a goal but we can't see what the linesman did. Beckenbauer immediately gestures to the touchline as if the linesman was flagging and Kitabjian seems then to disallow the goal and then consults the linesman under pressure from the Leeds players. They have a very quick conversation and he nods at the linesman as if he has confirmed it was offside, turns around and signals no goal. So you have to conclude that the referee disallowed it on the advice of the linesman. Although Leeds were unlucky not to be awarded one and possibly two penalties (which would have made it a totally different game) they didn't play that well on the night (neither really did Bayern) which was the consensus of the press the next day. They didn't conserve their energy, attacking too much and Bayern cleverly bided their time and picked them off with a couple of clever breakaways.
Watch the dvd of the game. Leeds were all over them.
Clearly wasn't wearing the red shirt when Yorath ended Björn Andersson's career in the second minute with one of the worst tackles ever , notice how you little Englanders never mention that bit when you talk about the game .
@@gerhardfindon7871 We were talking about the legitimate goal that Lorrimer scored, even one of the Munich players in this video said it was a legitimate goal. And then if that wasn't bad enough the stonewall penalty not given for foul on Clarke by Beckenbauer. Leeds were robbed on the night. The referee was more than likely bribed by Munich officials. Had that match been played today Leeds would've won simple. Like I said I'm not a Leeds fan, but their was no fair play on that night for sure.
As a Celtic supporter my father told me that Leeds were the greatest side he had ever seen so for Celtic to beat them in 1970 was as great an achievement as us winning the European cup in 1967.
What about winning to prime barca?
Im a Bayern fan and undoubtedly Leeds were robbed. Clarke was tripped by Beckenbauer for a penalty, and Lorimers goal was perfect and legit. Mind you Yorath and Gray should have been red carded for a) breaking Anderssons leg and b) ending Uli Hoeness' playing career with another "wood-cutter" challenge, but in those days I think you only got a red card if you decapitated a player intentionally or shot them with a gun.
Rainer Lindheim thanks mate interesting comments football was very different back then not like now with hardly any tacking allowed
So you think Leeds was robbed but they should have been two men down? Thats not really logical. Watch the whole game and Lorimers goal was clearly offside. Open your eyes and get the knowledge of the 1975 offside rule.
How was the goal offside? It was a perfect goal!
And what was the offsiderule back then?
Any player WITH or ahead the penultimate opponent was ruled offside, regardless if active or inactive. That rule was until 1990 in World Football. Bremner was at least with the penultimate Bayernplayer level if not ahead. So he was offside and the goal was no goal, no matter what even stupid Bayernfans or Ex-players say.
Bayern were a great team but Leeds were the moral champions of Europe in 1975
D C stereotypical shite
@D C be quiet
Ive whatch that game for so 2 decades as far as I'm concerned leeds won that European Cup. Alan Clarke had got pulled down shirt ripped of on the penalty box now tonight the won again but they cheeted leeds Peter lorimer scored 2 great goals .And the ref from Greece got jailed for match fiddling .why that game wasn't replayed I will never no .its so hard for me to watch that game without kicking my TV ha they say cheats never win yeah right
Should have been down to 9 men for the career ending tackles on Anderson and Uli Hoeness though. Uli Hoeness was 22 and the biggest talent in world football at the time. His knee never healed properly and he retired soon after. Nothing moral about this Leeds side.
Many teams have been robbed of goals in the history of sports. Still doesn't guarantee they would have won the game. Definitely not a reason to sing & sulk about it for 45+ years. You simply try to build a better team & try again next time.
A lot of bribes & dodgy decisions in the history of important football matches, these being just another glaring example. Disgraceful.
True that. Hard to say how much Leeds actually paid to not be down to 9 after 5 minutes, but it must have been a lot.
@@christianilson Talking out of your arse here.
@@christianilson you had to punch someone to get a red card in those days
Nothing has changed
That ref must have been on a hell of a pay day to make sure Bayern won, biggest injustice of all time on a football pitch
Absolutely, especially if you factor in he got even more from Leeds for not sending half of the team off...
@@christianilson ye hysterical mate, Bayern were no saints and anyway it was still a man's game back then when tackling was actually allowed
Ok it was a goal but notice how the English fans never mention that Yorath should have been sent off after only two minutes for a horrible, disgusting tackle on Björn Andersson that basically ended his career , would Leeds playing with 10 men even have got those later chances .
Don't forget the Frankie Gray foul that took out Uli Hoeness.
I was there, Paris, back in May 1975 as a fanatical sixteen year old Leeds United supporter. Leeds were robbed. No if's or buts.......Fact.
The fans rioted, not the ref
The ref made one or two crucial mistakes,, the fans reacted badly, but no-one forced them to riot.
Jobsnotwar Peaceforall They've just recently found out that the referee was payed
We now know that the ref was bought and paid for, karma I guess for all the matches that Revie fixed.
Was there a second penalty for leeds before the one in video where beckenbauer touched the ball with his hand?
The Leeds fans still chant 'Champions Of Europe' to this day,and probably it will go on......and it stems from this match.If you see the match you will see Bayern captain FB had the referee in his pocket.Funny how he was looked up to by many as a gentleman and distinguished footballer,however he has been investigated regarding irregular activity relating to World Cup dealings and decisions...oh and by the way he took Alan Clarke's legs away..PENALTY all day long...Frank Baconburger cheat during his career and in his retirement.
Tim Hamilton oh Beckenbauer was a calculating cheat ; as German coach at Italian 90 he implored the ref to book Gascoigne , knowing he would miss the final ; it worked as Gascoigne was too upset to play and Germany won; very ruthless sly man under that charm.
Tim Hamilton originally the referee gave the goal and the linesman didn't flag for offside. Then you see FB whisper something in the ref's ear. He went over to the linesman and bizarrely the goal was chalked off. A few years ago Lorimer said in an interview . " It wasn't a goal because FB said it wasn't a goal.robbed, and the Clarke penalty. Something not right that night.
Leeds player should have been sent off after 2 mins for that leg breaker but he wasn't.
In those days, 80 to 90% of times that wouldn't have been a red card offence.@@akaskinz1856
Beckenbauer was a profligate cheat-I dont care if it was an Englishman refereeing the world cup final in '74 there was no way fifa was gonna let west Germany lose in the final playing at home!!!
The same goes for Bayern's Munich-they robbed Leeds in 75 and I believe st etienne in 76!!!!!
One thing is for certain Leeds were robbed in 1973 in the cup winners cup final against AS Milan as the ref was later shown to have a history of bribery. There was a lot of it in those days. Forest in the semi final of the UEFA CUP in 1984, for example, for the same reason.
@@anglotim Yes, I heard Juve officials were in the ref's dressing room in that semi-final. Shocking.
martynh It was Roma actually. Derby played against Roma in 1984. There were rumors that Roma bribed Derby players though I’m not sure about it
@@jovidbodurkhonov7623 It was also the semi-final of the European Cup in 1973. Derby played Juve and lost 3-1 away and 0-0 at home. I think people heard stories at the time of bribery, but when it came out later the ref of the 1973 AC Milan Leeds final was banned from reffing for taking a bribe in another game, people started going back and looking at some dodgy games. Then they started to piece the jigsaw together.
martynh Do you think Juventus and Milan won unfairly?
@@jovidbodurkhonov7623 with regard to Juve/Derby I can't give an opinion as I can't recall the actual action in the game. However, the Leeds /Milan game was a farce of reffing. Milan were given the benefit of the doubt in many of the incidents - repeat fouling and should have had two sent off, even by the standards of the day. Also, the ref denied Leeds a penalty that was so blatant it was ridiculous. The ref was banned a few years later as it was shown he had taken a bribe in another game. The assumption then was that he was bribed in Leeds/Milan game. I think he was bribed in Leeds match
When Bayern player says it's a goal ! Sort of says it all
We were robbed. We’re the Champions of Europe
An amazing statement from Zobel, that you can't go on fretting when referees' decisions go against you.
He should tell that to the Germans - millions of them - who 52 years later are still banging on about Hurst's second goal in the 1966 World Cup Final.
Some of us know, mate. And it was only WEST Germany in 1966. MOT
Easy to say when it went your way. Europeans will never be any different.
@@michaelbailey8729
‘Europeans will never be any different’! What’s that supposed to mean?
Do you even know where and what Europe is?
@@robertcottam8824 No I dont actually.. Just an opinion. Enjoy yours.
feel sorry for leeds, were do they find these refs , obvious penalty, what a goal by lorimer,.
Leeds robbed
Nah. You could punch a players head in and come out with just a talking to back then.
D C you just hate Leeds shut up
Leeds are used to being robbed by now
@D C Re. Yorath´s "foul": this is what the German !!! commentator said: "...und noch etwas wurde fairerweise bekannt gegeben. Es war doch kein Foul von Yorath, sondern Anderson hat sich selbst verletzt, er ist hängengeblieben im Gras des Platzes und hat sich das Knie verdreht. Also ein Opfer des schlechten Rasens, der schlechten Platzverhältnisse hier im Parque de Princes von Paris."
Roughly translated: no foul, injury due to poor pitch conditions. This info came directly from Bayern´s officials btw.
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It was a clear penalty. And the Leed's goal, it was a legitimate goal. I didnt know how the referee saw the opposite. My humble conclusion, Leeds was robbed. No doubt about it. Period.
Two stonewall penalties that Beckenbauer got away with against English teams in major games from the 1970s. The foul on Clarke vs Leeds here and on Colin Bell against England in the 1970 World Cup quarter-final. Yes I know, Der Kaiser was a great player and I really should let it go!
No you cannot let it go, ever ... we have corruption in all levels of society now - it's rampant from the lowest to the highest in the land, and the reason is that we let it go in sport decades ago. Bad people saw they could get away with it, without punishment; and they will never stop - it's their nature.
@thomridgeway1438 .... yep u r right...and look wat he did in his future...bent..
You not going to mention the tackle by Terry yorath on Bjorn Andersson in the second minute which ended Bjorn Andersson's career, yorath even said later in life that he was warned not to go to Sweden or they would lynch him . Leeds playing with 10 men for 88 minutes against FC Bayern wouldn't have ended nicely for Leeds , so you also have to thank the ref for allowing you to play the game with 11 men , my own opinion is the ref knew he messed up when he saw Andersson's leg, and tried to even it up , which you can't do in football.
There were loads of bungs and crookedness in those days, in all the European leagues. This game was a blatent example.
Am sure there still is
@@MrAckers75 At least now it’s much better
@@jovidbodurkhonov7623 I hope so
How was that not a goal though this makes me mad
It is now accepted that this match was rigged and the referee was paid off. Too many results in Europe during the 1960s and 1970s were "fixed" and all too often it was English teams that paid the price particularly against Italian and Spanish teams.
It is about time that some of these wins were reviewed and teams stripped of their titles. On an international footing then Argentina should also be stripped of their 1978 World Cup win as it has been proven beyond reasonable doubt that the Argentine Junta paid the Peruvian Government to have their team concede the 5 goals required to eliminate Brazil and allow Argentina to progress beyond the group stage.
It happens now yet.
@jack brandt. You started off reasonably enough with your rant but then descended into what can only be described as the symptoms of mental illness. What on earth are you talking about?!
I think it has been proven beyond doubt that Argentina paid off Peru. There is a record of gold reserves having been transferred.
@jack brandt it was proven look it up.
Liverpool were cheated by inter in the 65 semi final we easily were the better side
@jack brandt
You don't know what you're talking about, do you?
I have always felt this match wasn't fair. The Clarke 'penalty' should have been awarded. Also, the Lorimer 'goal' looked good. The ref may have been biased but we'll never know now. Seemed an injustice the whole thing.
The amount of people that say they were at these games, stadium s must’ve have been stadiums that held 500,000 back in the 60s and 70s
what a goal it would have been if it had counted, poor lorimer he scored so many important and brilliant goals for leeds, but his career comes down to this. If it had counted there would be a 10ft statue of him in that pose outside er today
Leeds should have more champions league trophies than city and arsenal
@@FREE_WILL_DEFENDER
Arsenal have never won the Champions League so I don’t see your point.
Also, one needs a good domestic league position to qualify….
Leeds - 3 titles(first one only in 1969)
Man City - 9 titles(first time 1937)
Arsenal - 13 titles (first one in 1926)
So Leeds are quite a small club, really. They’re on a par with Wolves, Huddersfield and Blackburn Rovers who’ve also won three league titles.
Best wishes
Leeds was in luck, when Terry Yorath get not a red card for his leg-breaking-foul against Andersson. This offside-goal has a story, which is not told in the video: Just before there was a cleary offside-situation which were not given, allthough everyone was suprised espaccially Billy Bremner who stands very lonely in front of the Bayern goalkeeper. This Scene had the referee is his mind, when he decided offside against Lorimer, I suppose. In the end it was a great victory of cleverness and tactical discipline!
No it didn’t the linesman didn’t put a flag up . And the ref and BBC commentator thought it was a goal till Franz Beckenbauer told the ref it wasn’t , and it was disallowed . Let’s not forget Beckenbauer with another penalty earlier in the game . And if you look at the goal , Bremmner was not off pause but wasn’t involved in play . And he wasn’t obstructing Maier’s view .
Bullshit. This is what the German !!! commentator said about Yorath´s tackle: "...und noch etwas wurde fairerweise bekannt gegeben. Es war doch kein Foul von Yorath, sondern Anderson hat sich selbst verletzt, er ist hängengeblieben im Gras des Platzes und hat sich das Knie verdreht. Also ein Opfer des schlechten Rasens, der schlechten Platzverhältnisse hier im Parque de Princes von Paris."
Roughly translated: no foul, injury due to poor pitch conditions. This info came directly from Bayern´s officials btw.
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As a 13 year old watching the game I quickly came to the conclusion that something was terribly wrong. I always think of Leeds in the same vein as the 1974 Holland squad, gifted sides who were robbed either by the ref or their own naivety in what was back then 'a game of cards'.
The Dutch lost fair and square in 74 and 78. No evidence of fraud
Poland were actually the unluckiest team in '74. Knocked out England in qualifying, beat Brazil, Italy, Argentina, Yugoslavia and the number 5 of that tournament Sweden (who drew with Holland) and better than the Dutch in their game against West Germany. Also most goals scored and the top scorer with Lato.
@@resireg Bullshit. The penalty for West Germany in the 1974 final was a friggin joke.
@@berlinwhite no it wasn't. Netherlands was not that good, the proof is that they had a second chance in 78, and screwed up in the final again. And in 2010. They are too arrogant, and let the ego take control
@@resireg Robbeed again in 1978. Against the hosts, again.
We all going to ignore the fact a Leeds player broke a mans leg in the 2nd minute?
Robbed my arse!
English fans never mention that part when they talk about the match .
That challenge didn't look malicious or have any intent behind it. If anything it looked truly accidental.
@@CoherentChimp 🤣Yorath's was a horrendous foul, as was Frank Gray's one that took out Hoeness.
@@HandleGF You need to visit Specsavers.
That foul on Andersson. They ain't called dirty Leeds for nothing.
Rotten ref same as roma v dundee united in a european final. Says it all back then.
There was no Roma v Dundee final - not in 1984 or ever. Educate yourself.
Think he means semi final
Well if the foul on Clarke would have been awarded and Lorimars offside goal disallowed, it would be 2 nil , they would been Champions, but there was a crooked referee unfortunately.
Foul on Clarke and yes a penalty all day, but you have to score the penalty Mike. So just with Lorimers goal it might’ve only been 1-0 then. But tackles from Yorath & Gray looked red cards all day for me. Bad ref on the night then for both teams I'd say.
If Yorath had of been sent off in the second minute for breaking Andersson's leg would Leeds even have got those chances.
I've seen this game so many time, and its still hard to accept,Leeds were robbed, and I can never forgive the referee for his diabolical attempt at officiating this very important match.Clear Penalty for Sniffer Clarke, and Hot shot Lorimer's goal was certainly not off side.
I was there. Refereeing was bad, but the behaviour of the Leeds fans, for hours before the game as well as after losing, was even worse. Yobs even attacking German fathers and young sons they’d brought to the match. French CRS (police) before the game just set up a 50m cordon around the stadium and watched it happen. Many Leeds supporters were smashed out of their minds, been drinking all night, or since the early morning ferry over. I actually apologised to some of the German fans there. Was ashamed to be English.
Super leeds branded a dirty team but boy could they play and that comes from a spurs fan .Robbed of the European cup winners cup robbed of the leauge remember WBA and european cup.Hope they come back to premier leauge.
I remember this game. I was 14 years old. Leeds was far better team that day but referee was fucking crook.
Leeds was so great and so much better than Bayern .
If a player was in an offside position, anywhere on the pitch, free kicks were given. It actually happened from goal kicks at times when sides would stand on the half way line and hope someone would go too early. By the law at the time Bremner was offside. The Clarke penalty was a pen, but only on replays it showed Beckenbauer played the man not the ball. Ref gave the corner. Yet to see one Leeds fan admit Yorath should have been sent off for his leg break tackle in second minute. Very well disguised over the top tackle, which was a sending off even then. Would Leeds have been up for 88 minutes with 10 men ?
This by far is the biggest robbery in football history, im surprised people arent still talking about this today
No it’s not. There have been far bigger robberies and it’s not spoken about because it was over 40 years ago.
@@jazz3026 so, its should still be said, and are u sure there are bigger robberies? This literally stole Leeds first and only UCL TROPHY!
This was the end of Leeds Untied between 1965 and 1975 they won more games than any other English club side, in a country that was world champions and had great players like Moore Best Banks Bremner, Greaves and Charlton the only cup they did not win was this one!!
Best was Northern Irish.
Oh course Leeds scored and Leeds were also the better team....Bayern as a European great have influence on and off the field and consequently the referee didn't give a definite penalty either .....bent UEFA ?.....definitely
Wow never seen this before bloody joke how was that not a goal
Leeds were clearly robbed.
Esse time do Bayern não foi páreo a Máquina Tricolor que, comandada por Rivelino, vencera o Bayern no Maracanã, no dia 10 de Junho de 1975.
Penalty claim and well deserved . 1-0. Then the lorrimer goal 2-0. Game over. Don't understand how Bayern can ever stake a claim to be a stronger side. sorry I forgot about the cheating referee. I guess that would make a difference.
Minute 3: red card for Yorath! Yeah, I agree, the ref cheated, BAYERN MUNICH, not Leeds!!
Charles Johnson why Red card did he punch him or spit on him? Agreed it was a bad tackle but red cards were rare back then
Red cards not given for Yorath tackle (a) breaking Anderssons leg & Gray ending Uli Hoeness's career with another wood cutter tackle. Dirty bastards Leeds and Clough told them to their face on his appointment as manager, and boy they didn't like that did they. What goes around comes around Leeds. I bet Brian Clough had a chuckle to himself after watching this game. Leeds would've won this game under him I'm sure of it.
Kevin Brookes he couldn’t win a fucking game at Leeds
As an Everton fan I can deeply sympathise cause we were robbed of our chance as well. Unfortunately, I don’t think we’ll ever have our chance again. Heartbreaking really.
I'm absolutely sure Everton would have won the European Cup in 1986 instead of Steaua Bucharest.
How is offside given for that? Who is actually offside?
None
The ref !
@@1962GentleGiant Billy Bremner
there was also the Beckenbauer hand ball in the area.
Hello! the Ref was found Guilty of taking a bribe and banned for life so how did Bayern still kept that game?
Where did you get that information from?
@@gunternetzer9621He's getting confused with the ref at the '73 Cup-winners cup final.
Leeds United Europeon champions 1975.
I hope Aston Villa beating Bayern in the 1982 European Cup final acted as a bit of Karma for them.
Bremner was in an offside position at the moment that Lorimer struck his shot. Back then the offside rule was strictly applied. Bremner was in the six yard box and between the posts. The ruling would have been that he was seeking to gain an advantage, which indeed he was. Virtually all offsides back then were given for that reason. Not interfering with play would only have been a consideration if a player was lying injured out on the wing, which was rare. Otherwise the interpretation was, if a player was clearly trying to take part in an attack and strayed into an offside position at the moment the ball was played, the flag went up automatically. In those days the ONLY controversy concerned the question of whether the player was indeed in an offside position. Not whether he touched the ball, or even attempted to do so. Whether he was in the goalkeeper's eye line or not was not considered relevant or would have even crossed anyone's mind. If he was in an offside position, for example an attacker at the far post was offside when his onside team mate nodded the ball into the net at the near post, up went the flag and the whistle was blown. No goal.End of story.
Some people here have been confused by the repeated tinkering with the offside law over the past thirty years, and have forgotten just how simply and somewhat puritannically the rule was applied for the great majority of football history. You may not agree with it, and believe that the changes that have been made are for the better, but this match took place BEFORE those changes were made. The decision of the officials was completely in line with the rules as they were then applied.
The penalty is another story!
He wasn't offside as you claim,but even if he was,watch it back again. Bremner was pushed into the position he was in..Leeds were cheated that night. Something was very wrong on that pitch.
Also ,answer this FACT. The linesman didn't flag for offside and ran back to the centre line. The Referee gave the goal and pointed to the centre circle. He changed his mind when Franz B got into his ear. Look up the facts before writing such rubbish.
@@ianbennett1491 It doesn't matter what the sequence of events was. The eventual decision was the correct one. Check what the laws of the game were at the time (which was, after all, what I was referring to), before writing such rubbish.
@@ianrichardson7027 listen. The majority of people know we were cheated that night..It was a disgrace.. perfectly good goal, originally given by the Referee and Linesman. Allan Clarke hacked down in the box. Beckenbaeur blatant handball,not given. Something was very wrong that night. That's all I have to say.
@@ianbennett1491 Listen. The opinion of the majority, whatever that is, is completely irrelevant. So is the sequence of events before the goal was disallowed. The only important thing is whether the goal was legitimate under the rules of the game at the time. Guess what?
It wasn't.
If you disagree, then say why. Don't just moan that it wasn't fair. Explain why the goal was different from others which were disallowed. I explained at great length why the goal being annulled was consistent with the rules at that time. Why not attempt to refute each point one by one? I'd have more respect for you if you did. Simply reiterating that you reject my position doesn't cut it. Explain to me why I'm wrong. That's not a jab, it's an invitation.
Ah, robbed!
This was bias against Leeds, but 1973 ECWC final was total robbery.
That was the daddy of all fiddles . Ref was bribed.
Well Bayern certainly got an English curse on them after this...losing to Aston Villa 1982, Man U 1999, Chelsea 2012. And in every game Bayern were the better team but found a way to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
@Food Wars They play in a league which is so Mickey Mouse its like an extended version of the Scottish Premier League. At best a two horse race for 60 years.
I've been a Leeds fan since 1970 which means I know how offside was refereed back then. It was commonplace for someone in Bremner's position to be given as offside. It was also commonplace not to give it as offside. It was very arbitrary at the time.
Bayern were lucky winners in 1975 and even luckier the following year when their 1-0 win against St Etienne should really have finished 1-4 or 1-5.
As well as the poor refereeing, I remember this game for Jimmy Armfield not sending on Duncan McKenzie to try and turn the game.
I'm sure in years to come it will come out that there was bribery and corruption in this match, just as the European Cup Winners Cup was fixed in 1973. Unfortunately neither result will change but it is common knowledge that Leeds were robbed on both occasions...
On what planet was lorimers goal offside? No one in the passes before were offside either and a munich player headed back to lorimer
Corrupt krauts. I wasnt born, but I will carry on this incredulous sense of injustice and sing loudly. 'We are the
champions. Champions of Europe'.
The Germans perspective, total rubbish. WE WERE ROBBED. LUFC, the greatest club never to win the European Cup.
Your man should of been sent off after 2 minutes.
st ettiene were robbed in glasgow too, m o t
Arsenal? Bit more pedigree across domestic and European football than L***s
1. Look at the position of the referee when Beckenbauer fowled Clarke.
2. Lorimer's "goal."
= The game was clearly BOUGHT beforehand.
Would not be surprised if there had been an English third party involved in the bribery either !
Beckbauer admitted to Peter that his goal was legal and leeds were the better team
Most disgusting game of football ever seen
wAS THERE AT PARIS We were mugged but did we sort the germans out at the end in the streets LEEDS AGGRO
Well that's all fine then. Scum then and scum now
Horrific tackle by Terry Yorath on Bjorn Anderson.
Great strike by Lorimer deserved better than to be controversially disallowed also looked a penalty kick to me but that's corruption for you .
Omg, the goal from leeds was absolutely clear and legal. This game was robbed and a shame for uefa and european officials.
Is there some reason there's no decent footage of this match or extended highlights? Surely the entire match was shown live on BBC. What happened to the tape?
Billy Bremner was obviously not interfering with play or seeking to gain an advantage.
Incompetent and biased refereeing. What's new?
+Jack Mallory ua-cam.com/video/bov7NckEIFo/v-deo.html
I am impartial and non-related to English or German football.But I think once you get in sight of the goalkeeper,and you are in offside position,it should be awarded.Bremner(if that's him)seems to be the last player.Hard to call.
The offside rule was quite strict pre-90s. If you shot at goal and a teammate was literally standing next to a touchline in an offside position the flag was raised for offside. It wasn't until the '94 World Cup when 'passive' offside wasn't whistled and play was allowed to continue.
@@unclesox Bremner wasn't blocking the goalie's vision and if you look at the footage of the goal , the goalkeeper never complains.
@@wbafc1231 I agree. But you are viewing 1975 with the laws of today.
If you pause the video at the moment Lorimer strikes at goal you'll notice Bremner is just beyond Beckenbauer. At that time, pre-1990s, the laws said he was offside. Line of goalkeeper's vision was an unknown thing. Bremner could have been standing near the touchline while Beckenbauer was standing in the box and Bremner still would have been flagged for offside. That's how the law worked at the time.
Today we look back at that and see how stupid the law was but it was what we knew and were used to at the time. That's why Bremenr was jumping back as Lorimer shot at goal. He was trying to get in onside position before Lorimer hit the ball.
It wasn't until either Euro 92 or the '94 World Cup that the laws on offside were loosened a bit with "passive offside" to help the attacking team more. For an example, see 1994 World Cup Brazil's second goal (by Bebeto) against the Netherlands. Before that World Cup, Romario would have been flagged for offside.
I was at this game. Plenty of trouble before and after the game.
I was there proud to be leeds. £22 return on train and ferry. Never told my mrs i was going .just couldnt miss this game.i phoned the mrs up from paris.no mobiles bk then.she said.were are you your dinners gone cold.im in paris love sorry.such was the love for leeds united.and yes we was robbed.from bk then to the present.the football ellite .hated leeds.but WE DONT GIVE A FK.ALAW MOT
Till 1982,Bayern never lost a final !
Some of their victories were well deserved,some other...not quite,
in Germany there is the term of
"Bayern Dusel" for it.
But then finally...
In '82 against Aston Villa
In '87 Porto
A N D
'99 against ManU in Barcelona,
plus '12 Chelsea.
Bayern got its share of losing,their bitterness of defeat.
Destiny restored the balance of fortune and misfortune.
If the ref had been up to it, Leeds would have been flush... with red cards.
The ref was given a sweetener by BM, everyone knows this.
Ref was well.... we all know! End of. However this wasn't uncommon back then. Leeds were similarly done in CWC final too by bribed ref. Clough's Forest faced similar issue twice if I recall. The results should be reviewed & overturned.
I wonder how much the ref was paid by whomever told him to referee the match in this way?
It's quite disgusting that the ex Bayern players are writing this offf as "just something that happens in football". Yeah it's just something that happens when the official's been nobbled.
Shocking challenge by Terry Yorath on Bjorn Andersson. Andersson barely played again after that assault. Leeds should have been a man down after two minutes.
Leeds won that game hands down, the ref was a few years later found guilty of match fixing and banned which just goes to show what we already knew THIS MATCH WAS FIXED .
18 yrs old and I was there... Big injustice, The 'Clarke tackle' must go down, (along with many others) as the biggest injustice in football history.. the ref had a 100% view, scandalous. The Lorimer Goal, Offside was "marginal"... and impossible for the linesman to see if he was watching the ball! HOWEVER in 1975 ... You had to be "interfering with play" to be offside.... So again Scandalous.
However, we are Still LEEDS, we are still BIG, We still FOLLOW the Whites "Untill the World Stops Going Round".
MOT ALAW
Never liked that Leeds team but they were robbed out of the game. Penalty on Clarke and superb goal by Lorimer. Was that ref bribed ??????
Yep the ref was taking a bung Banned from reffing for LIFE
I thought the even worse decision was not calling the foul on Allan Clarke inside the box.
UEFA stunk then, they stunk when Forest were ripped off by Anderlecht (ref admitted on his death bed to taking a bribe) and they stunk in 2006 when the corrupt ref Colina was brought back out-of retirement for one game only to ensure Everton would not qualify for the group stages of the champions league, so the English would not have 5 teams...they just stink full stop, never changes!
Easy for Bayern players to say just get on with it when you've got bent reffing on your side
Leeds United will forever be the TRUE europeen champions 1975.Bayern Munich will always have cheat hanging over them.one day UEFA will do the right thing and award Leeds as champions.
WACCOE ;)
Referee very bad, Leeds has a good team.
I have nothing to do with Leeds but that ref looked well dodgy.And apparently Jimmy Armfield wasn't really bothered.
But there were all sorts of stories about Leeds as well.
last week I saw a documentary on bobby Charlton at 80 an English football legend and a totally honest genuine world class footballer I saw Franz beckenbauer on it and immediately my thoughts turned to this game a dirty fucking cheat who knew what he was doing and was prepared to win at all costs also if you watch when the penalty's awarded in the world cup final the previous year clearly demonstrating with Jack Taylor as he pointed to the spot this 1 and Allan Clarke's should have been a penalty 2 blatant penalties and I don't know how people can praise beckenbauer as a great footballer when all along he was a cheat who bent the rules
Same in 1970 were he clearly fouled Colin Bell in the penalty box , but the English weren’t given a pen .
BAYERN DESERVED THAT WIN THAT WAS A RER FIRST AND EVERYTHING ELSE AFTER THAT
BAYERN DESERVED TO WIN!!!!
WE ARE NOT CHEATRID!!!!
As a Bayern fan I can say Leeds were robbed.. And beacause of that Bayern got the bad karma vs Real in 2017
Lol what, Real smashed Bayern. Nothing special
I never knew Eddie Grey spoke German!
I was asked to watch the match a few years ago and objectively....Leeds were robbed 🤣
How is that goal disallowed???
You tell me mate. It wasn't a goal cos Beckenbaeur said it wasn't. Fucking disgrace.
Bremner wasn't really interfering with play re offside.
But where is Leeds United now? Why couldn´t they keep on going like Liverpool or Manchester United? Or Bayern? they had a fantastic Team and all of a sudden Leeds disappeared from the international scenery. Why?
The hero that is Peter Ridsdale followed by the legend Ken Bates. Love them both
That tackle by Yorath was horrendous.
This injustice is still a festering sore in English football. Leeds are desperately needed back in the Premier League so that they can, one season, get into the Champions League and nail these cheating bastards once and for all!
Who are the cheating bastards? The game was in France, and Fifa is famous for neutral referees
@@resireg This is sarcasm, surely.
I cannon believe they can sit their as professional footballers and claim they won fair ? LEEDS were complete ROBBED shame on them !
Even pausing this video ,leeds United player was well on side
The referee was bent . He wasn't even good at cheating it was obvious something was going on. Lorimers goal should have stood and Beckenbauer flannened Clarke in the box and gave us a corner! Scandalous
WACCOE.
Always liked Leeds for the Jock connections and the ref was no doubt bought, however Yorath ended that guys career with that tackle, truth is Leeds should have been down too 10 men......would they have competed then??
The Germans have always had a history of cheating . 1954 : They’re players were taking Pervitin which is a amphetamine ( which is a performance enhancing drug used by German soliders in WW2) throughout the tournament and Puskas got robbed of a perfectly onside goal that would’ve levelled the score to 3-3 . 1970 : Beckenbauer and Germany doesn’t get punished for blatantly fouling Colin Bell in the six yard box . In the semis of the same tournament, the ref plays on for 4 extra minutes than he should’ve played the match on for . Isn’t it a coincidence that the ref , blew the whistle for ET just after Gerd Muller scored . 1974: Blatant diving for the German penalty , that entire tournament was scripted for Germany to win , why do you think the FIFA director at the time said Germany were gonna win the tournament just before the WC . But no doubt Holland with their arrogance were just helping FIFA 1982: Blatant cheating against Austria , all they needed to do to make Austria and Germany go through was score one goal against the side . After they did they didn’t even play football . Talk about pragmatic football . The Algerians got robbed . Then you have Schumacher I don’t know how he’s still on the pitch despite nearly killing Batistant . Then he goes into make the crucial PK saves that lead Germany to the Final . 1986: Blatantly throwing the match against Denmark so they wouldn’t have to meet , a talented Spain side that embarrassed them 2 years earlier in the Round of 16 .
West Germany, pal. We beat them cunts in 1974 (Sparwasser goal). ;)
MOT
Welsh linesman in 54, Argentinian referee in 70, injury time against Italy, Dutch referee in 82, no evidence of throwing a game in 86 and FIFA scripted the World Cup for England in 66. Please remove red/white/blue blinkers.
1954: There is no official footage of the offside goal and the German commentator called the offside before he even shot. The doping thing is probably more true. I'll give you that.
1970: Yes it was a valid goal and it was a penalty (Penalties were given less often back then. remember) However the referee was fair he also gave a yellow card to Gerd for taking down Alan Ball and yelled at Overath for not listening to him. Also he didnt end the game when Gerd scored (Revenge for 1966 this)
1974: Netherlands penalty in that final was an even bigger joke and a valid Gerd goal was disallowed and there could've been a penalty for Germany later on. Also Havelange is an absolute joke he said that 1966 and 1974 were rigged but 1978 wasnt and he also didnt say that before the WC i think.
1982: Austria's fault for bending over. Algeria also immidetaly lost against Austria after immense momuntem after beating Germany and nearly blew a 3-0 lead over Chile...And in that semifinal against France a valid Fischer header was disallowed and a soft penalty was awarded to France. Yellow card to Schumacher and indirect free kick to France.
1986: No evidence of them throwing the match. Also btw Germany defeated Spain 2-1 at the 1982 world cup...which took place in Spain.
Now lets look at other matches. France vs Germany at the Euro 2016 semifinal: 2 clear penalties were denied to Germany. 2014 World Cup final Germany vs Argentina: Basti kept getting fouled and was bleeding and absolutely nothing was given to punish Argentina. 2010 World Cup semifinal Germany vs Spain: Ozil was denied a clear penalty and in the quarter final Muller got an undeserved Yellow that costed them the semifinal. 2002 Germany vs South Korea World Cup Semifinal: Goalkeeper didnt get sent off against Neuville and South Korea was doping. Anyways i can go on and on with more examples for Germany getting bad decisions from referees but this entire comment is too long already.
@@cryptical3236 how was the netherlands penalty a bigger joke when cruijf got touched on the ankle while the german pen was because a dutch player tackled on the ball 😂 😂 😂 😂
@@jouri20 Watch the footage closer. it was outside of the box.
They always say "if the ref says it's not a goal, then it's not a goal" (when they know it's goal scored against them). Maybe 15-20 years later they'll say ..it was a goal. (Like Beckenbauer admitted....altho' he never admitted how much influence he had on the officials), Good player, but terrible sportsman.