Update! According to an article from The Athletic posted about 9 hours ago all USL clubs that are in the tournament voted unanimously to play regardless if MLS is fully in, partially in, or not in. For the good of the sport they said. Yes all 47 clubs: every championship club, every league one club, and the 11 league two clubs. Which means if MLS only sends like 8 (that was what an earlier report said could happen) a USL club is likely to win. Hey look at the cash grab leagues cup. MLS won that won cause they had more clubs in and had home matches every game. That I like.
@@USLInsight yes and no. The no being that you can show that MLS is scared that USL clubs can compete. Look at the last few editions. USL clubs have been making it to the final 8 a little more. We had 2 last year and before that a team made the finals while a League One club made it to the 8 as well in what I believe was the second year in the tournament for League One clubs after 2020 & 2021 editions were cancelled
@@USLInsightnow I’m hearing scuttlebutt of fans of MLS clubs demanding they play. Orlando is one of em. They know where they came from. And I feel fans of clubs that started in the lower leagues are gonna speak up more. Chicago Fire fans I hear are doing the same. This is from google search of the tournament and tweets on the subject are shown.
@@USLInsight oh snap. Angel City Brigade released a statement. They’re backing the US Open Cup. Look for more of this. It’s happening. Dump the leagues cup or go back to what it was: a fun summer friendly tournament with 4 from each side playing for a cute trophy. But have the reserves play that one
After this whole fiasco, I'm actually going to invest in lower league soccer. I was an MLS fan but this whole BS has showed me that it's true, they don't care. This coming season I'm going to invest in NISA and other lower leagues.
It's hard to support your position when you present it with Chicago Fire stuff on your wall. US Soccer needs to put their values on display: among other things, make participation in the Cup an absolute requirement for all professional-league division statuses starting next year; no waivers. I don't mind making money, but it's gotta be earned!
I hear ya and I haven't taken down the fire stuff because that was the old Chicago fire when MLS still cared about the growth of the game with in the US.
Arther Blank gave all that money to US Soccer to move their operations from Chicago toward the Atlanta Area. To build a National Team training center as well as their offices.
Funny thing is they start their reserves anyways at the start and slowly add more of the main guys before the main guys take over near the end. This time MLS just wanted their reserves in the entire tournament which wouldn’t be good for them. Cause during the years of MLS reserves playing in USL the USL clubs owned them. Only 3 MLS clubs can say they won silverware.
For Soccer to grow here, EVERYONE needs to get behind MLS teams. If you care about the growth in the U S., why are you watching & supporting British soccer, or Spaniard soccer, or Mexican soccer? You *_SHOULD_* be watching/supporting MLS..
@@USLInsight Here's the thing, every Sport/League/Team exists because of money. They're ALLLL motivated by money. Food for thought: MLS was earning $90 million/annual average in their previous Broadcast deal, as recent as 2022 (28 teams). That's just over $3 million per team. That's TINY for Broadcast revenue in sports. That's comparable to the TV revenue for the Mountain West Conference, the 6th best league in College Football 🏈.
@@davidday2373 just cause everyone does it doesn’t mean it’s right. More and more people are complaining about how each league is rigged & we’re just supposed to accept it ? I don’t think so. & MLS for a long time has said they care about the growth of soccer in the US & that’s why people are upset because they aren’t caring for the growth
MLS better be smart and know where their bread is buttered, once messi leaves all those messi fans will too 😂. MLS has to invest in american fans, not force feed the league to mexico and Europe and hope it takes hold... This isn't the NFL or NBA... People are very nationalistic about their leagues in world football ⚽, Don Garber needs a mental evaluation. If MLS wants to grow they need to get rid of that ex NFL 🤡.
MLS is not responsible for the success of USL. It's not complicated. You want to build up USL as a competitor to MLS and you want to leverage the status of MLS to do it. No.
It's not just about the USL but all levels of US football. The MLS is bad for development of US football, they are cutting funding with academies and this hurts all lower levels of football.
@@owenthornhill9671 Sure. There is an infinitesimal benefit to the competing semi-pro team from (say) Alamogordo NM. MLS doesn't care about that. Neither does USL. MLS is a business. USL is a business. Don't kid yourself thinking that USL is "growing the beautiful game" while MLS is just being selfish and greedy. This is a straight forward business fight between MLS and USL. USL wants money and peer status. MLS wants to deny both. That's the fundamental conflict. The complicating issue is that there are lots (and lots and lots) of people on social media who hate the MLS business model and want to build up USL as a competitor to MLS. They know MLS won't change on its own. So they are looking for some leverage. That always gets layered into this argument.
Update! According to an article from The Athletic posted about 9 hours ago all USL clubs that are in the tournament voted unanimously to play regardless if MLS is fully in, partially in, or not in. For the good of the sport they said. Yes all 47 clubs: every championship club, every league one club, and the 11 league two clubs. Which means if MLS only sends like 8 (that was what an earlier report said could happen) a USL club is likely to win. Hey look at the cash grab leagues cup. MLS won that won cause they had more clubs in and had home matches every game. That I like.
Do you think it kinda feels like a idk if this is the right word but almost like a pity win if a usl club wins with only 8 mls clubs playing
@@USLInsight yes and no. The no being that you can show that MLS is scared that USL clubs can compete. Look at the last few editions. USL clubs have been making it to the final 8 a little more. We had 2 last year and before that a team made the finals while a League One club made it to the 8 as well in what I believe was the second year in the tournament for League One clubs after 2020 & 2021 editions were cancelled
@@USLInsightnow I’m hearing scuttlebutt of fans of MLS clubs demanding they play. Orlando is one of em. They know where they came from. And I feel fans of clubs that started in the lower leagues are gonna speak up more. Chicago Fire fans I hear are doing the same. This is from google search of the tournament and tweets on the subject are shown.
@@USLInsight oh snap. Angel City Brigade released a statement. They’re backing the US Open Cup. Look for more of this. It’s happening. Dump the leagues cup or go back to what it was: a fun summer friendly tournament with 4 from each side playing for a cute trophy. But have the reserves play that one
@@bigjoeofthe707 A beter idea: USL and Liga Expansion MX should start their own LEAGUES CUP style tournament, it's awesome.
Its not just the us, its mexico and canada and south america. They would probably monopolize global soccer if they were given the chance
We need to push back
After this whole fiasco, I'm actually going to invest in lower league soccer. I was an MLS fan but this whole BS has showed me that it's true, they don't care.
This coming season I'm going to invest in NISA and other lower leagues.
I was a huge MLS fan too before all the hype but now this has 100% made me not want to watch a single game
It's hard to support your position when you present it with Chicago Fire stuff on your wall. US Soccer needs to put their values on display: among other things, make participation in the Cup an absolute requirement for all professional-league division statuses starting next year; no waivers. I don't mind making money, but it's gotta be earned!
I hear ya and I haven't taken down the fire stuff because that was the old Chicago fire when MLS still cared about the growth of the game with in the US.
Screw MLS, and I want USSF to kick them out of the prepaid and USLC top flight divison
MLS is bad for US Soccer.
They are showing what they truly care about
the teflon Don needs to retire.
It’s good because I didn’t even know anything abt U.S soccer till the MLS made Miami made a super team
Arther Blank gave all that money to US Soccer to move their operations from Chicago toward the Atlanta Area. To build a National Team training center as well as their offices.
Yeah he “bought” us soccer
Every mls need to play open cup . I don't care if they start their 2nd team.
Agreed ! & that’s what most people want for them to participate
Funny thing is they start their reserves anyways at the start and slowly add more of the main guys before the main guys take over near the end. This time MLS just wanted their reserves in the entire tournament which wouldn’t be good for them. Cause during the years of MLS reserves playing in USL the USL clubs owned them. Only 3 MLS clubs can say they won silverware.
For Soccer to grow here, EVERYONE needs to get behind MLS teams. If you care about the growth in the U S., why are you watching & supporting British soccer, or Spaniard soccer, or Mexican soccer? You *_SHOULD_* be watching/supporting MLS..
But why support MLS when MLS only cares about ML$$$
@@USLInsight Here's the thing, every Sport/League/Team exists because of money. They're ALLLL motivated by money.
Food for thought: MLS was earning $90 million/annual average in their previous Broadcast deal, as recent as 2022 (28 teams). That's just over $3 million per team. That's TINY for Broadcast revenue in sports. That's comparable to the TV revenue for the Mountain West Conference, the 6th best league in College Football 🏈.
@@davidday2373 just cause everyone does it doesn’t mean it’s right. More and more people are complaining about how each league is rigged & we’re just supposed to accept it ? I don’t think so. & MLS for a long time has said they care about the growth of soccer in the US & that’s why people are upset because they aren’t caring for the growth
@@USLInsight A rising tide lifts all boats... and MLS is the rising tide.
@@davidday2373 we shall see
MLS better be smart and know where their bread is buttered, once messi leaves all those messi fans will too 😂. MLS has to invest in american fans, not force feed the league to mexico and Europe and hope it takes hold... This isn't the NFL or NBA... People are very nationalistic about their leagues in world football ⚽, Don Garber needs a mental evaluation. If MLS wants to grow they need to get rid of that ex NFL 🤡.
This is Messi’s first full year so we’ll see if he actually competes and if the hype around him is already dying
MLS is not responsible for the success of USL. It's not complicated. You want to build up USL as a competitor to MLS and you want to leverage the status of MLS to do it. No.
Not the success of USL but the success of soccer being taken seriously in this country not just every 4 years when there’s a World Cup
So MLS is demanding 60% of the games they play against the USL? Yeah, they're trying to gauge all the money from US Soccer. Fuck that joo, Don Garber.
It's not just about the USL but all levels of US football. The MLS is bad for development of US football, they are cutting funding with academies and this hurts all lower levels of football.
@@owenthornhill9671 Sure. There is an infinitesimal benefit to the competing semi-pro team from (say) Alamogordo NM. MLS doesn't care about that. Neither does USL. MLS is a business. USL is a business. Don't kid yourself thinking that USL is "growing the beautiful game" while MLS is just being selfish and greedy. This is a straight forward business fight between MLS and USL. USL wants money and peer status. MLS wants to deny both. That's the fundamental conflict.
The complicating issue is that there are lots (and lots and lots) of people on social media who hate the MLS business model and want to build up USL as a competitor to MLS. They know MLS won't change on its own. So they are looking for some leverage. That always gets layered into this argument.