I mean the math checks out. If the bsfc is .5lbs/hr and a 1400hp motor is running 11:1 afr it would need 21.4lbs of air for 10seconds. That works out to 280 scf of air or two 155scf bottles. The use of these hydrogen fuel cells tanks is actually pretty amazing. The cool part that is really interesting to me is that as the hp goes up the time goes down so the required amount of air needed in the bottle doesn’t go up as much as you would think. A 2500hp kit for 7sec would only need 350scf of air for the same afr and bsfc. The trick part for me on this kit is the regulator and control system. I had a similar idea in high school using n20 and nitrogen to keep the motor from going nuclear. Very cool.
Bench racing is fun. If you don't mind me contributing. I think your 1400hp and 10 second 280 scf number is off vs your 2500 hp 7 second and 350scf number. If the car runs 7.0 at 2500 hp, its probably running 8.50s at 1400hp, and only takes 850hp to run 10.0. That will impact your volume numbers pretty significantly, I get 13lbs of air to run a 10.0 at 850 hp, and 170 scf if I work off your numbers. The relationship between power and airflow is pretty linear, but the relationship between HP and ET has you taking the cubed root of power to arrive at an ET. In other words, it might only take an added 50 hp to go from running a 15.0 to a 14.0, or a 20% change in power. Contrast that with going from 8.0 to 7.0 where you might need an added 800 hp which works out to a 50% increase in power.
@BrieferBread66 for me this system shines for the track. After every pass you go back to your pit. The street would be annoying to have to run back to the house after every other hit.
@@PaletoB You have me thinking about road course compressor braking, fill your tanks, cool your rotors and fluid coolers with blow off. I bet there is all kind of stuff you could do with compressed air.
I’ve thought of something like this years ago, and wondered why know one did it? I was not smart enough to engineer it to work my self. It’d be cool if you could regenerate air while driving. Maybe a pump tied into brake switch to pump the bottle back up, for daily driving use. Really awesome someone is doing this!
I was thinking something along the line of using the engine with modifications to the cam for the rear two cylinders to add the air back into them at idle. Where it would cut fuel and open a port to the bottles.
@@jaxperez7860 I don't know how much cylinder pressure is devloped under power, but cylinder pressure that isn't lit off from ignition is around 120 psi, depending on atmospheric pressure, cam timing, compression ratio engine condition etc. It might be possible to use a hydraulic over air compresser (if indeed theey make such a thing) using the power steering pump to devlop sufficient air pressure.
I also thought about this yrs and yrs ago myself as with a bunch of others. I also wondered if making a tube from the A/C to the intake would be of any benefit. (and not using any cold air yourself)
It’s great to see this idea finally available for market, it’s taken the manufacturer’s around 15 years if I’m not mistaken to iron out the last few bugs to make this system bulletproof, I’m glad they stuck with it, this would be awesome if a pump could be used to produce more compressed air on the go as well as cooling the air, in several storage tanks which, is obviously the main problem with turbo and super chargers, the heat produced compressing the air. I’m excited to see just how fast you can go with this system.
I've been thinking about an on board compressor and a tank to use compressed air to spool the turbo on my Duramax. Since it would only require a second to spool the turbo, it wouldn't require as much volume or pressure. The reason for all the pressure in these CAS tanks is to have enough volume for full a pass. If I wanted 1000 CFM for 1 second, that's about 17 cubic ft.
@@Cantthinkofahandle117 tbh, I prefer n20 or propane for quick spool ups, if keeping the turbo. A: it will cool the charge (compressed air will also, but will be at a higher temps). B: it’s fuel that will fight carbon/ soot buildup in your intake. C: they’re proven on diesel’s. This is awesome! But I can totally see runaway being a problem in conjunction with the turbo. Also if it’s street driven you’re probably going to need a way to drain water out the tank. A dedicated track car will always be checked over and filled separately and make sure no cracks or anything else is leaking or what not. Also R&D has been mostly gasoline, E85/9xr, and possibly M1. Basically they have spark plugs lol. That’s the short list. As a standalone unit I think this has great potential, as an add on go with the N20 or propane. You just gain more all around and safety limits are easily known & controlled.
It’s amazing how far they’ve been able to develop this system. I remember when it was first being tried and they were using 2 huge tanks to maybe make 1000hp. Back then they also had loads of tuning issues and problems because it was basically able to hit the engine with full power right off idle.
This is awesome and in theory the perfect air delivery system. Perfect controlled of dome pressure and it's instantaneous. Cold air not hot air and the temperature should be calculable so tuning should be more consistent (I mean worst case, a bottle of air could be wasted in the pits with the engine off and measure the air temp for the desired tune and then rework the tune to fix any variations. This to me is a game changer).
Many years ago I played around with ideas like this and electric turbo and supercharger, the benefits of systems like these is instant performance, however they are complex so it takes a lot of r and d to get them perfected, it's funny because things that were once laughed at as gimmick or ridiculous are actually being built now and working.
I had heard of a few people running these set ups, my biggest question was if the external air intake would be closed off to allow pressure to build like you guys are doing with you "injector valve". Very informative thanks for sharing
Fresh air anti-lag... the bumper of the USA wrc ford focus was a big boost tank designed to store boost while throttle was close... it could see bumps of boost of 60psi once opening throttle again.
Thank you for proving me right, I told people 20 yrs ago this would be the cats ass if someone had the time to develop it. I have to collect on a 20 yr old bet now lol
@@BucktailResearch no one liked it because the pride those guys had that said IT WOULD BE AMAZING and everyone told them it would suck, then it sucked... there is a reason no ONE else did this. Its simple math, the energy stored in that tank is very little when you factor in the inability to PUT that energy into the engine at peak power when you can have MUCH MORE from 1/8 the weight.
My ex brother in-law was doing this 25 years ago. It seemed like a solid concept, especially for the application . The only reason I still use / play with turbos is because I don't have single purpose vehicles anymore . I drive everything on the street. And at this point the best power adder is turbo. Nitrous and compressed air runs out and superchargers are to detrimental to gas mileage.
really interesting! love learning about new (to me) systems. sorry if u mentioned it but how many runs do u get out of the tanks before u need to refill them? I assume refiling them isn't to much of a hassel? can u just fill them with a air compressor? love the idea of not having any extra pulleys off the engine, no need for a 2 step is awesome, having the boost right there is great.
The best things about this compared to other forced induction systems are for one, it won’t take power to make power. Two, it is Ice cold air and three, there is zero Lag! Very cool!
I use a gasification system instead of compressed air, but it accomplishes the same task, keeping the turbo and super up to pressure and speed, so you always get optimum acceleration, and gas mileage. I modified a 2012 GMC Yukon, 6.2L And it has that, you can start the car and go But if I leave it be for like 30 seconds and get out, you can hear the compressor (anti lag) fill up with exhaust gas It idles pretty fast, for that reason... And you can hear it off gas, when you pass a certain point of acceleration, and then after acceleration, after idling... It's muffled, so it's not loud at all. I put a panel over the whole bottom of it, to protect all the stuff I put on it, and the stabili track and all that Which is just electronic motors connected to the steering and brakes basically
Maybe this is a crazy idea but what about in a small displacement engine using this pre-turbo charger and using the pressurized air into the turbo charger? This way the system could run with this or without it. I’d love to see something like this set up on a Motec with a small displacement engine.
Very interesting, well done video. I would think your system would make more horsepower at lower boost levels just because of the lower intake air temp, and no parasitic loss!
Dang, i had zero idea this exists. How many runs per bottle? I had an idea to have that ejector valve, although different in my head, on a turbo car that allows the engine to breathe unrestricted under vacuum through atmospheric pressure and then when positive pressure is active it closes the atmosphere valve and then only pulls boosted air from the turbo. It should eliminate lag, but i cannot afford to test the subject
You did a nice job presenting this. I'm interested but cant seem to locate where this system or component's are available. This could work nicely on a diesel.
I recall reading about this tech over a decade ago in a magazine. Since then, I've thought about high pressure air direct cyl injection, timed to inject air from after the intake valve closes and before spark event occurs during the compression stroke, would be the future of this tech. The duration of injector time along with orifice size would control the total volume of additional air introduced into the cyl. That way the engine isn't relying on the CAS system providing 100% of the engine requirements. Seems the injector tech is available today, based off diesel or gasoline electronically actuated direct injection systems. Not sure how the math works out, with the milliseconds of open injector time vs 3000psi compresses air. Would the time (duration) available be able to provide enough volume of highly compresses air into the cyl for this to be viable? As for fuel air ratios, this seems doable, although would require a method of precisely measuring the additional air so the correct amount of fuel could be injected. Seems this idea would be viable on either a direct cyl fuel injected or port injected engine.
How much roughly to get say a starter kit? Love the idea though of this back in the 90s wondering what compressed oxygen or would do but at tge time never could figure out a way to compress air that much and was always told it would never work but not why tganks for the video but knowing what these setups run wiuld be helpful thanks!!!!!
@VWLIKEWHOA wow I think I would try a paint pellet tank or even better a 5kpsi tank for those hi powered slug slinger guns can't remember what there called but way cheaper than 8k just need the tank and the 5kpsi PP's are only a couple hundred then make the rest and add nos on top of it lol man that's crazy 8k for compressed air wow!!!!!!!!
@stevenoe6395 yea for the price you could just build a really nice top of the line turbo system and be done with it and have the power at all times. I don't see the advantage for the price. Air is free!! Lol
I know this would take some setup, but I’d love to watch a comparison video where you compare the weight of a full turbo system to a cas system on the truck!
To refill the bottles at the track how high of pressure do you need a compressor to be or have to be able to refill the system ? Is it a soecialised compressor needed ?
If it can do everything the turbo does and have lower charge air temps, why add the weight of this system to spool a turbo instead of just removing the turbo altogether? No parasitic losses either. If you’re just wanting to spool, use a cheap NO2 system.
What are some of the next failure points in this setup? The throttle body block off plate I’m sure gets a lot of stress closing and trying to make that seal with boost going in and not letting some out.
We have had no failures yet.. we have put around 210 passes on the red truck so far with all the same components. The other car of Mark Griffen has more passes than us as well as 4 years now.
I understand the mechanics. My only issue, If I can't fill the tanks with my dual stage compressor (185 psi is about max psi) Do you have to continually take the tank to be refilled somewhere? If that is so, then is basically a nitrous oxide system using air instead of NOx. I assume it's basic air. They could alter the amount of oxygen, but pure O2 carries its own dangers. Is this less expensive than a comparable nitrous system? I assume it is half the cost or less than investing in a supercharger/turbos/intercooler?
@leroyhenderson3530 but It heats UP till the engine , and as is all about mass air flow, the colder it gets more mass is moving. Another very important point is , double the temperature double the pressure, absolute temperature, so the colder it gets more pressure variation without melting the engine. That's why afterburner get less trust for the same amount of fuel, it burns already hot air.
@@TinaPierceRacingwouldn’t increasing the oxygen content in the gas lead to more power or at the existing temperature/pressure is the soitchiometry already optimized or saturated with standard air?
I like the idea would like to put on on my funnycar. iti s running a motorcycle motor and would be looking for a system that would give me 350 hp to 400. can it be scaled down>
The system on smaller displacement engine would just have either capacity for more boost or longer boost. You could use a smaller bottle if you would find one as small
I saw this year's ago in a magazine I believe the guy that invented the nos help company developed this best I remember it was a small block powered 60s comaro
i was looking for a kit to price but CAS website is down and no one else seems to use this form of boost. do you have any information on how to put this kit together? thank you
I´m having hard time understand the amount of flow/airvolume supported through that last hose and injector body. Is it like you inject 100psi, and the plenumvolume diffuses it down when the engine are 'eating' air? Like down to 'desired' boost? Normally an engine consumed hundreds if not thousands on cubic inches of air down the quarter mile.
yes its interesting how much air the engine is consuming, but yes, its 100 percent using only the air in the bottles during the pass. And yes, its coming through the -12 high pressure hose into the regulator and then out to -20 lower pressure hose to the engine. This is for the 1400hp system
I assume the regulator incorporates a first stage (dropping bottle pressure to 100psi) and a programmable second stage (taking that 100psi and lowering it to 15, or 30, or whatever psi)? Also, how much air (cubic foot) are you using in an average run?
this explained a lot. thanks, david!
Thanks Mike!!
The power to weight potential of this system is insane! Good luck 👍🏼 hope to see you bring home some 🏆 with it.
I mean the math checks out. If the bsfc is .5lbs/hr and a 1400hp motor is running 11:1 afr it would need 21.4lbs of air for 10seconds. That works out to 280 scf of air or two 155scf bottles. The use of these hydrogen fuel cells tanks is actually pretty amazing. The cool part that is really interesting to me is that as the hp goes up the time goes down so the required amount of air needed in the bottle doesn’t go up as much as you would think. A 2500hp kit for 7sec would only need 350scf of air for the same afr and bsfc. The trick part for me on this kit is the regulator and control system. I had a similar idea in high school using n20 and nitrogen to keep the motor from going nuclear. Very cool.
Bench racing is fun. If you don't mind me contributing. I think your 1400hp and 10 second 280 scf number is off vs your 2500 hp 7 second and 350scf number. If the car runs 7.0 at 2500 hp, its probably running 8.50s at 1400hp, and only takes 850hp to run 10.0. That will impact your volume numbers pretty significantly, I get 13lbs of air to run a 10.0 at 850 hp, and 170 scf if I work off your numbers. The relationship between power and airflow is pretty linear, but the relationship between HP and ET has you taking the cubed root of power to arrive at an ET. In other words, it might only take an added 50 hp to go from running a 15.0 to a 14.0, or a 20% change in power. Contrast that with going from 8.0 to 7.0 where you might need an added 800 hp which works out to a 50% increase in power.
The real question is would it be better to run a nitrous system or this compressed air system for a street application.
@@BrieferBread66 I wonder if you could have a compressor in the car to slowly fill the tank back up after a power run.
@BrieferBread66 for me this system shines for the track. After every pass you go back to your pit. The street would be annoying to have to run back to the house after every other hit.
@@PaletoB You have me thinking about road course compressor braking, fill your tanks, cool your rotors and fluid coolers with blow off. I bet there is all kind of stuff you could do with compressed air.
This is awesome and bananas. The cold charge alone is nuts.
Very interesting! I think Smokey Yunick would give you a pat on the back for your work.
That is a huge compliment! Thank you
I’ve thought of something like this years ago, and wondered why know one did it? I was not smart enough to engineer it to work my self. It’d be cool if you could regenerate air while driving. Maybe a pump tied into brake switch to pump the bottle back up, for daily driving use. Really awesome someone is doing this!
i wonder if a scuba tank compressor would work...🤔.
@ that’s how they fill tanks at the track, got to watching their channel. I’ve was thinking regen for daily drivers, lol.
I was thinking something along the line of using the engine with modifications to the cam for the rear two cylinders to add the air back into them at idle. Where it would cut fuel and open a port to the bottles.
@@jaxperez7860 I don't know how much cylinder pressure is devloped under power, but cylinder pressure that isn't lit off from ignition is around 120 psi, depending on atmospheric pressure, cam timing, compression ratio engine condition etc. It might be possible to use a hydraulic over air compresser (if indeed theey make such a thing) using the power steering pump to devlop sufficient air pressure.
I also thought about this yrs and yrs ago myself as with a bunch of others. I also wondered if making a tube from the A/C to the intake would be of any benefit. (and not using any cold air yourself)
I saw your setup at PRI and wondered how it doesn't just go forward out of the throttle body. I see now that it closes off. Thanks for the video.
thanks for the comment!!
SCUBA Charged engine, can't wait to see it in action. thanks for the video explaining all the bits.
Well, SCBA. No u.=underwater.
It’s great to see this idea finally available for market, it’s taken the manufacturer’s around 15 years if I’m not mistaken to iron out the last few bugs to make this system bulletproof, I’m glad they stuck with it, this would be awesome if a pump could be used to produce more compressed air on the go as well as cooling the air, in several storage tanks which, is obviously the main problem with turbo and super chargers, the heat produced compressing the air.
I’m excited to see just how fast you can go with this system.
it all sounds easy lol but there was a lot to work out!! thanks!
I've been thinking about an on board compressor and a tank to use compressed air to spool the turbo on my Duramax. Since it would only require a second to spool the turbo, it wouldn't require as much volume or pressure. The reason for all the pressure in these CAS tanks is to have enough volume for full a pass. If I wanted 1000 CFM for 1 second, that's about 17 cubic ft.
@@Cantthinkofahandle117 they do have some smaller cylinders you could maybe use. You would need to contact them. Thanks!
@@Cantthinkofahandle117 tbh, I prefer n20 or propane for quick spool ups, if keeping the turbo. A: it will cool the charge (compressed air will also, but will be at a higher temps). B: it’s fuel that will fight carbon/ soot buildup in your intake. C: they’re proven on diesel’s. This is awesome! But I can totally see runaway being a problem in conjunction with the turbo. Also if it’s street driven you’re probably going to need a way to drain water out the tank. A dedicated track car will always be checked over and filled separately and make sure no cracks or anything else is leaking or what not. Also R&D has been mostly gasoline, E85/9xr, and possibly M1. Basically they have spark plugs lol. That’s the short list. As a standalone unit I think this has great potential, as an add on go with the N20 or propane. You just gain more all around and safety limits are easily known & controlled.
that company 15 years
people have been trying to figure this out for decades
I mean, its an obvious idea.
It’s amazing how far they’ve been able to develop this system. I remember when it was first being tried and they were using 2 huge tanks to maybe make 1000hp. Back then they also had loads of tuning issues and problems because it was basically able to hit the engine with full power right off idle.
yes it is! thanks for the comment!
This is awesome and in theory the perfect air delivery system. Perfect controlled of dome pressure and it's instantaneous. Cold air not hot air and the temperature should be calculable so tuning should be more consistent (I mean worst case, a bottle of air could be wasted in the pits with the engine off and measure the air temp for the desired tune and then rework the tune to fix any variations. This to me is a game changer).
I have seen you guys at the track a lot, been a few years since I’ve atm the vehicle up close - very cool to see this being used!!
thanks!
This is fascinating, thank you for the in-depth look!!
Many years ago I played around with ideas like this and electric turbo and supercharger, the benefits of systems like these is instant performance, however they are complex so it takes a lot of r and d to get them perfected, it's funny because things that were once laughed at as gimmick or ridiculous are actually being built now and working.
Very nice set up 😊
I had heard of a few people running these set ups, my biggest question was if the external air intake would be closed off to allow pressure to build like you guys are doing with you "injector valve". Very informative thanks for sharing
I remember seeing a video on this tech back before Covid...just the other day I wondered what was going on with it. Questions now answered.
Fresh air anti-lag... the bumper of the USA wrc ford focus was a big boost tank designed to store boost while throttle was close... it could see bumps of boost of 60psi once opening throttle again.
I blew compressed air into an engine a long time ago and it reved to the moon . Love this new tech. Knew it was possibly better too now i know
i saw this the other day and think it is cool. Interesting.
its very cool!
I have an idea that will boost your efficiency, and most likely the boost pressure as well.
I designed a similar setup about 25 years ago.
I'm very interested in this product I definitely want to learn more about it and the chiropractor but I'm kind of impressed with what I see now
thanks! keep watching for more videos
Thank you for proving me right, I told people 20 yrs ago this would be the cats ass if someone had the time to develop it. I have to collect on a 20 yr old bet now lol
some already have, it became DUMB the moment electrical boosted turbo chargers hit the ground.
Two guys from JPL did it in 2005. It was in HOT ROD.
I did it on an old snapper lawn mower in 2004:)
@@gibbyrockerhunter yea i saw that, they claimed it was going to be SO FAST, but it never did any decent times
Same! Nobody liked the idea back then and i didn't have tuning experience, time, or money to try it
@@BucktailResearch no one liked it because the pride those guys had that said IT WOULD BE AMAZING and everyone told them it would suck, then it sucked... there is a reason no ONE else did this. Its simple math, the energy stored in that tank is very little when you factor in the inability to PUT that energy into the engine at peak power when you can have MUCH MORE from 1/8 the weight.
My ex brother in-law was doing this 25 years ago.
It seemed like a solid concept, especially for the application .
The only reason I still use / play with turbos is because I don't have single purpose vehicles anymore .
I drive everything on the street.
And at this point the best power adder is turbo.
Nitrous and compressed air runs out and superchargers are to detrimental to gas mileage.
really interesting! love learning about new (to me) systems. sorry if u mentioned it but how many runs do u get out of the tanks before u need to refill them? I assume refiling them isn't to much of a hassel? can u just fill them with a air compressor? love the idea of not having any extra pulleys off the engine, no need for a 2 step is awesome, having the boost right there is great.
I’d like to see some diesel drag trucks use this system ! You’ve definitely done your homework ! 😎🇺🇸
I think this is a cool Idea and cant wait to more in use and see it progress. By the way what is the total weight of the full installed system??
The best things about this compared to other forced induction systems are for one, it won’t take power to make power. Two, it is Ice cold air and three, there is zero Lag! Very cool!
Best comment yet! Thanks
I use a gasification system instead of compressed air, but it accomplishes the same task, keeping the turbo and super up to pressure and speed, so you always get optimum acceleration, and gas mileage.
I modified a 2012 GMC Yukon, 6.2L
And it has that, you can start the car and go
But if I leave it be for like 30 seconds and get out, you can hear the compressor (anti lag) fill up with exhaust gas
It idles pretty fast, for that reason...
And you can hear it off gas, when you pass a certain point of acceleration, and then after acceleration, after idling...
It's muffled, so it's not loud at all.
I put a panel over the whole bottom of it, to protect all the stuff I put on it, and the stabili track and all that
Which is just electronic motors connected to the steering and brakes basically
Best power adder yet
I agree!!!!!
Maybe this is a crazy idea but what about in a small displacement engine using this pre-turbo charger and using the pressurized air into the turbo charger? This way the system could run with this or without it. I’d love to see something like this set up on a Motec with a small displacement engine.
Very interesting, well done video. I would think your system would make more horsepower at lower boost levels just because of the lower intake air temp, and no parasitic loss!
that is correct!
Looks lovely. Can't wait.
Dang, i had zero idea this exists. How many runs per bottle?
I had an idea to have that ejector valve, although different in my head, on a turbo car that allows the engine to breathe unrestricted under vacuum through atmospheric pressure and then when positive pressure is active it closes the atmosphere valve and then only pulls boosted air from the turbo. It should eliminate lag, but i cannot afford to test the subject
You did a nice job presenting this. I'm interested but cant seem to locate where this system or component's are available. This could work nicely on a diesel.
thanks! David
Never heard of this until now. I want to know more!
I guess the biggest question is.... how much did all that cost ??
check with the website. I believe its down for a little bit but should be back up and running
Just say what it cost for damn sake
@@TinaPierceRacingjust say a price
They are expensive. Met a dude at an event last year. They are quite pricey
lol I think the 1400hp system starts at 7900 and the 2400hp is higher of course. I don't price the system and there are a lot of options
I recall reading about this tech over a decade ago in a magazine. Since then, I've thought about high pressure air direct cyl injection, timed to inject air from after the intake valve closes and before spark event occurs during the compression stroke, would be the future of this tech. The duration of injector time along with orifice size would control the total volume of additional air introduced into the cyl.
That way the engine isn't relying on the CAS system providing 100% of the engine requirements. Seems the injector tech is available today, based off diesel or gasoline electronically actuated direct injection systems.
Not sure how the math works out, with the milliseconds of open injector time vs 3000psi compresses air. Would the time (duration) available be able to provide enough volume of highly compresses air into the cyl for this to be viable?
As for fuel air ratios, this seems doable, although would require a method of precisely measuring the additional air so the correct amount of fuel could be injected.
Seems this idea would be viable on either a direct cyl fuel injected or port injected engine.
interesting thought. Maybe sometime in the future people will do more and different things. Its pretty cool to be a part of something like this.
How much roughly to get say a starter kit? Love the idea though of this back in the 90s wondering what compressed oxygen or would do but at tge time never could figure out a way to compress air that much and was always told it would never work but not why tganks for the video but knowing what these setups run wiuld be helpful thanks!!!!!
Not worth it imo. $8k for 1400hp kit. Just use nitrous..way easier and 1/4 the price
@VWLIKEWHOA wow I think I would try a paint pellet tank or even better a 5kpsi tank for those hi powered slug slinger guns can't remember what there called but way cheaper than 8k just need the tank and the 5kpsi PP's are only a couple hundred then make the rest and add nos on top of it lol man that's crazy 8k for compressed air wow!!!!!!!!
@stevenoe6395 yea for the price you could just build a really nice top of the line turbo system and be done with it and have the power at all times. I don't see the advantage for the price. Air is free!! Lol
I know this would take some setup, but I’d love to watch a comparison video where you compare the weight of a full turbo system to a cas system on the truck!
To refill the bottles at the track how high of pressure do you need a compressor to be or have to be able to refill the system ? Is it a soecialised compressor needed ?
COOL , WE WANT MORE VIDEOS WITH THIS RACING
@@neilziesmer6109 did you see my other videos? There are a few on this channel
Another use for this setup is to fit an air jet to a turbo, and pre-boost the turbo.
If it can do everything the turbo does and have lower charge air temps, why add the weight of this system to spool a turbo instead of just removing the turbo altogether? No parasitic losses either. If you’re just wanting to spool, use a cheap NO2 system.
Have you measured EGT with this system running? I have so many ideas for compressed air builds in my head now.
What’s the advantages over nitris or a super/turbo charger? Cheaper and less heat?
Video coming tomorrow
@ can’t wait! Really interested in the pros and cons of different ways to go really fast.
How many passes can you get before you have to refill the bottles and does it come with a pump to charge the bottles
Awesome. So when people complain about bad air good air. With your setting it's always good air right?
Always the same! DA has really no effect on it
im curious of how the data looks, are you going to make any more in depth videos?
yes we will make make more videos soon
I want one, but I have an old school small block Chevy with a dual quad tunnel ram on it. How would I set that up?
What are some of the next failure points in this setup? The throttle body block off plate I’m sure gets a lot of stress closing and trying to make that seal with boost going in and not letting some out.
We have had no failures yet.. we have put around 210 passes on the red truck so far with all the same components. The other car of Mark Griffen has more passes than us as well as 4 years now.
@@TinaPierceRacing Very impressive!
Interested to know why you would not run an O2 bottle instead of air.
What size is your Compressor and how long does it take to fill the tank?
look on this channel there is a video on filling
Does the system utilize a blow off valve or does the air flow stop as soon as you lift off the throttle?
we have a BOV
Wait your telling me i can use my air ride tank as a supercharger to? NICE!
Can't wait to see it on the blue truck
we are excited!
I understand the mechanics. My only issue, If I can't fill the tanks with my dual stage compressor (185 psi is about max psi) Do you have to continually take the tank to be refilled somewhere? If that is so, then is basically a nitrous oxide system using air instead of NOx. I assume it's basic air. They could alter the amount of oxygen, but pure O2 carries its own dangers. Is this less expensive than a comparable nitrous system? I assume it is half the cost or less than investing in a supercharger/turbos/intercooler?
Look at another video on this channel
SCUBA CHARGER. Very cool. Literally.
Be nice if the CAS website would load!
For a tank of this size and based on the 1400 hp setting, how many 1/4 mile runs can be expected from one bottle?
How hard would it be to enrich the compressed air from the standard 21% O2 to a hot shot of 33% O2?
You should try to chill the bottle with dry ice , it will increase the air density with out increasing boost
The change of pressure and flow already has the air coming out the regulator at -90°....How cold you want it? 😳
@leroyhenderson3530 but It heats UP till the engine , and as is all about mass air flow, the colder it gets more mass is moving.
Another very important point is , double the temperature double the pressure, absolute temperature, so the colder it gets more pressure variation without melting the engine.
That's why afterburner get less trust for the same amount of fuel, it burns already hot air.
What about putting custom gases in the bottle like more oxygen and maybe nitrous to help cool the piston
no need for that.. Air is ice cold! as in below zero temps
@@TinaPierceRacingwouldn’t increasing the oxygen content in the gas lead to more power or at the existing temperature/pressure is the soitchiometry already optimized or saturated with standard air?
What fuel management system? Please explain the DOM, since there is no wastegate.
What happens if you use the compressed air to spool up and afterburn a turbo setup?
Have you tried using pure oxygen instead of air? Curious on the results.
Can you do a back to back pass so we can see it in action.
yes we will thanks
I like the idea would like to put on on my funnycar. iti s running a motorcycle motor and would be looking for a system that would give me 350 hp to 400. can it be scaled down>
The system on smaller displacement engine would just have either capacity for more boost or longer boost.
You could use a smaller bottle if you would find one as small
@@lassikinnunen what is the thread size for the valves? might be able to use scuba tanks. or just one of the ones you use.
very awesome
How many passes can you make out of that bottle? Or two
We always fill them back up each pass but I’ll bet we can make 2 1/8 mile passes
How long does the bottle last?
would this work in other applications other than drag racing? say on a drift car?
Is this more affordable than a traditional turbo charged or supercharged application?
I saw this year's ago in a magazine I believe the guy that invented the nos help company developed this best I remember it was a small block powered 60s comaro
yes you are correct!
i was looking for a kit to price but CAS website is down and no one else seems to use this form of boost. do you have any information on how to put this kit together? thank you
High or low compression motor works best ?
I´m having hard time understand the amount of flow/airvolume supported through that last hose and injector body.
Is it like you inject 100psi, and the plenumvolume diffuses it down when the engine are 'eating' air?
Like down to 'desired' boost?
Normally an engine consumed hundreds if not thousands on cubic inches of air down the quarter mile.
yes its interesting how much air the engine is consuming, but yes, its 100 percent using only the air in the bottles during the pass. And yes, its coming through the -12 high pressure hose into the regulator and then out to -20 lower pressure hose to the engine. This is for the 1400hp system
How much do the 2 different systems weight
Medical oxygen concentrator in to the high pressure pump to fill the tank, might be a fire hazard but the idea seems fun.
How many passes, typical, do you get from a bottle? Do they refill, or can the end user refill? Lots of PSI. thanks. Looks really cool, btw.
there is another video on my channel about this please check it out
we refill, we always top off bottles. Thanks for watching
Brilliant!
Everytime I try to access the CAS web site it fails with a wordpress error.
Are they no longer in business?
I wonder if you could fuel this with propane?
how can that tank hold enough cfm of air for a full pass
Why not nos instead if no price comparison?
Very cool
This is the kind of boost we have in games where it recharges as you drive and only lasts a few seconds
Any future plans to combine this with a turbocharger?
no. There is no reason to do this. the air system will make everything we need
What does this system cost
I assume the regulator incorporates a first stage (dropping bottle pressure to 100psi) and a programmable second stage (taking that 100psi and lowering it to 15, or 30, or whatever psi)? Also, how much air (cubic foot) are you using in an average run?
we use around half of the air. It depends on how much power we are making on a particular pass. Also 1/8 mile vs 1/4 mile uses more air obviously
33 lbs full of air. What’s it weigh empty?
Is there an air dryer in the system ? Those kinds of temperatures mean you don't use inter coolers for the charge intake. That's a dandy of an idea.
Could this system be used with a carb?
Yes that’s what it was designed for initially 20 years ago
Interesting stuff. FYI, Your website seems to be down...
they are working on it thanks!
More details, I'm interested.
keep watching
Freaking cool!
Interesting.
Really cool
yes it is!
CAS Website is down and I cant find any of those parts for sale online 🤔 I'd be interested if any of this stuff was available 🤷
check back in a day or so
They outlawed Big Daddy in the day from doing this.
Have you thought about using nitrox blended air get your oxygen up about 40 percent
so currently we are not using all the available air, so until we max the system out will stick with just compressed air. Thanks