Rehab Timestamps: - Lat Stretch: 4:09 - Band W's 9:15 - Band Pull Aparts 13:48 - Band Flat Press 16:37 Problem Summary: - The place where symptoms occur (elbow) is often not where the problem starts (shoulder). - Tight lats and weak rotator cuffs improperly position the shoulder in its socket. - Bad shoulder position affects movement patterns, resulting in more stress at the elbow.
I am in literal shock. I’ve been dealing with both a rotator cuff issue along with golfer’s elbow in my left arm for months now. In just 2 days after performing the 3 banded exercises in this video my relief is better than any other PT i have tried. Today i picked up a kettlebell for the first time to do a row and felt no pain in my inner elbow. I was in utter disbelief. Thanks so so much!!
Right on the money Doc!! It wasn't until I had a SLAP tear in my left shoulder capsule that a PT taught me that my rhomboids, middle traps, rear delts, supraspinatus, and infraspinatus muscles HAVE to be worked just as hard as my chest and anterior delts. Otherwise the imbalance will cause problems in many other areas. I now do prone scapular stabilization exercises (I, Y, W, T's) twice a week on either a swiss ball or on a gently inclined bench along with some serious rear delt flyes. Not only do I feel better and have reduced the imbalances in strength, but it is amazing what it does for your posture! I'm 51 and always had a hunching posture. One year of doing these exercises and my family is really impressed with my upright posture and mid-trap development.
This is prefect! This has been my number one issue for months. Icing helps some but not a lot. Mine hurts on some extention stuff but mostly the worst on pull days. And awesome to see Olu! Miss that guy on Alsruhe channel.
This was super timely for me as I've been struggling with this exact pain for a few months. Your videos are so helpful and how you break it down and explain it is great. Thank you for all you do.
Had this kind of elbow pain on my left side on and off for things like dips, and occasionally tricep exercises as well. Had a dislocated shoulder on the left side side os this makes a lot of sense. Been trying to massage, heat, ice etc on that elbow and it never really helps. But its amazing that no chiro or anyone has ever suggested looking at the shoulder rotator cuffa rea.
When you said that the shoulder pain in tge opposite side of the body was the cause. It completely clicked for me. I had a lot of pain in my shoulder because of a weak rotator cuff, it subsided but i was going for a bench PR yesterday and got the elbow pain today. Got the PR but now i have ti start working in my stability.
Man thanks I'm dealing with some problem in my elbows, wrists and triceps Elbow pains sow much when i do push ups Just did these exercises and i performed 22 reps, and the pain just started in the middle of the set Thank you, now i'm doing these exercises with some wrist and elbows one and hope my problem be solved
I'm having some serious tennis elbow pain and as I watched your video I stretched keeping my hands in a fist and stretching the the back of the hand all the way up to the elbow. Where I felt a large tender bulge on outside of my elbow has really subsided. Also icing and Ibuprofen but the stretch really brought the swelling and pain down dramatically. I think my chest development is far greater than my back development so will follow what you did today. Much thanks.
I'm definitely going to incorporate this into my workout. Rotator cuff, tennis elbow and golfers elbow all on the same arm for months now, and it's really beginning to discourage me. Hope it works, Thanks for this.
I am really shocked! I've got golfer's elbow started 2 weeks ago and an old rotator cuff injury which still hurt, on the same side!!just like the guys in the video!Thanks for sharing this video!
Wow...Started to feel the pain for the past 2 months and after doing these 3 stretch that uneasy pain gone and get good hand and shoulder reach. Thanks you doc...
After dealing with this issue for 6 months, got a couple PRP shots over the past month. I will incorporate these exercises now as well. Hoping this will do the trick. Thanks for the video, very informative.
@@davidplankensteiner4834 took about 30 days and the pain was gone. Probably more to do with the PRP shots but doing exercises as well fixed the problem
I've had golfers elbow for a little over a year off and on. I will implement these band exercises and stretches into my routine and let everyone know how my progression goes. To give a pain level starting point I would say that it is almost chronic level pain. I have to be careful opening doors and picking things up with a supinated grip. So I would say 7/10. I don't think I will start the band exercises just yet but I will implement the Lat stretch along with some forearm stretches I have gathered from other informational video's on UA-cam. I will try to update once a month.
Wow! Tremendous help!! Have struggled with this repeatedly throughout the years, havent been able to train arms in two weeks due to intense pain! Did two sessions of the three exercises in one day, and before i finished the second session i was able to do several pushups with no discomfort!
@4:50 when you asked if he had any shoulder pain, I not only have golfer’s elbow but MY SHOULDER HURT lol. I think I arrived at the right place to help my elbow shoulder paim combo from lifting lately!
the first stretch clicked something in my arm. i can tell the difference in a better way. its almost on the funny bone. I think it was coming from bench press also. I'll have to watch it for a while to see how it behaves but this was definitely enlightening. ty!
Whoa! I have been watching all kinds of videos on UA-cam on how to fix this, and for some reason doing these exercises yesterday has made my elbow pain lesson for the first time in months. Maybe I’m jumping the gun on making this comment, but just wanted to let you know it’s already seems to be working.
I’ve had these Issues/Pain for over four months now in both elbows and the Left is getting worse, “The PAIN is shooting up my Arm to the shoulder/Baby Finger/Ring finger and Pointer finger some night’s the pain wakes me up..Morton and the Elbow strap sometimes help, I will see a doctor next week..Thank you so much for the information and video😊😊😊 I’ve learned what caused it, my question is will it ever go Away or at least get better..
could you do a video on tricep tendonitis at point insertion on the elbow from doing skull crushers and similar tricep exercises, only thing on youtube for this issue rolling a tennis ball on the area
Did anyone else think that @10:15 during the band pull-aparts that he was compensating for his shoulder by arching his back? Should we keep a neutral spine?! Thanks!
10:20 - His posture is so bad it literally hurts my own lower back to just watch this... O_o Good he found you cause step by step you will fix him and save him... :D
Absolutely informative as always. I’ve had elbow tendinitis for 4 months. Got your book for Valentine’s Day and the pain is slowly dissipating. Thank you!
When I squat with a good, challenging weight, the set I do is hampered often by pains in my hands, wrists. In most cases I flare back the elbows quite a bit during the squat, and Im sure that has to do with the discomfort in the hands during the squat. This video really got me thinking about that, along with elbow issues I have in general . My right elbow snaps quite a bit. No pain as such, but all the stretching , yoga in the world cant rid it. As for the squatting, Im going to delve back to lighter weight and correct the shoulder/ arm form during the exercise.
Isn't medial epicondylitis/golfers elbow usually associated with wrist flexor and pulling movements, not pushing, whish is indicative of lateral epicondylitis?
Think I just got the early onset of this from lifting. Going to take this to the doctor right away, heard too many horror stories about what happens to people who left this untreated for months and kept lifting.
What’s the best way to get a full body assessment to determine muscle imbalances and what needs work? Would a personal trainer work or do I need a physical therapist?
I have golfers elbow on both arms, I'm a climber. I've tried all sorts of stuff with weights and holding with external turning of forearm and many other recommendations (Massage etc). i used to do some of these exercises for should building but haven't been doing them so i'll go back to doing these exercises. The question i didn't really understand was about being flexible and losing strength? is that because the amount of weight he's lifting? obviously i need to be strong for climbing (Not benching 300+ pounds) but able to at least do 15-20 pull ups and other mobility features such as extending arm above head or pressing when required. Is it recommended to do more stretching in my case? as well as the band exercises? (used them for shoulder rotator cuff)
I have golfers elbow but my pain is different than Olu's. Pressing motions do not aggravate it. For me it is straight bar biceps curls. It wasn't a problem until I added a forearm workout to my arm routine. It was a single ended dumbbell twist causing a micro tear in the tendon, ouch. I believe my golfers elbow is originated from the wrist. How can I tell?
Doc, can you address front rack elbow pain? I have used your techniques to help solve chronic medial epicondylitis but these techniques have stopped working. I haven't been able to hold a loaded front rack for months and am concerned I have an actual UCL sprain. Please add in nerve glides too! Your videos are amazing, have been a fan since the original Squat U debuted!
Now this is a good fix. And its good to fix it when it apear. But most of us would rather do prehab than rehab. Do you have any good tips to prevent this from happen in first place?
Wonder if he has a similar video for the outside of the elbow, aka tennis elbow. That’s what I have Hmmm, I pulled my lat and my tennis elbow came back. Now he’s testing the lats hmmm 🤔
Before watching this video i could not do even 1 rep on push ups due to my elbows hurting and after i stretched i managed to do multiple reps with minimal pain
Can you create a video on Nerve pinching in elbow? i am good with bench press but during pushups and dips, my right elbow starts twitching after 5-6 reps. its like currents twitching from elbow joint towards my triceps
I got really bad golfer elbow on my left arm. I think it was caused by dumbbell curls and poor technique. Now Whenever I do cable chest fly, wrist curl the condition gets really bad. I need some advice, thanks in advance.
Would you say that if the power lifter added the bar to the pressing movement along with the band as he was on the floor that it would be a progressive neuromuscular priming test?
Hi, I want to ask if it is possible to have increased carrying angle after a trauma/injury as I am experiencing right now. Internal rotation of arm hurts and should I use a bracing all day to keep it straight?
What is the suggested protocol for this work? I'm 9 weeks out from competition and I can barely bench without my elbows pounding. If I don't sort it out my competition day will be a huge let down.
As a physical therapist, my question is if he has to take those exercises in his warm up or progressive overload those exercises for like a 3-4 weeks? Take this in his training because with only doing this once, it won't be enough, right? Or will it help doing in once because it's more a motor control case?
Rehab Timestamps:
- Lat Stretch: 4:09
- Band W's 9:15
- Band Pull Aparts 13:48
- Band Flat Press 16:37
Problem Summary:
- The place where symptoms occur (elbow) is often not where the problem starts (shoulder).
- Tight lats and weak rotator cuffs improperly position the shoulder in its socket.
- Bad shoulder position affects movement patterns, resulting in more stress at the elbow.
Thank you!
Thank you!!
Excellent synopsis
Thank you for summarizing!
makes me thingk, so much of the upper body issues is from the shoulders, does that mean that so much of the lower body issues are cause of the hips?
I am in literal shock. I’ve been dealing with both a rotator cuff issue along with golfer’s elbow in my left arm for months now. In just 2 days after performing the 3 banded exercises in this video my relief is better than any other PT i have tried. Today i picked up a kettlebell for the first time to do a row and felt no pain in my inner elbow. I was in utter disbelief. Thanks so so much!!
How is your pain right now?
Update, please?
Update? Still no pain?
I love the specific point indicating that “the elbow is just the symptom point, the root cause is usually something further up the entire shoulders.”
Glad you liked that part!
Then you look on another video like AthleenX and he says it root course is in the ring finger. So who are you supposed to believe?
@@theodoremason6344 I personally would not take any words my AthleenX seriously
@@iWillLift thats my point there's so much information out there. Who are you supposed to believe?
@@iWillLift meanwhile I have pain in my elbow
This was absolutely the best explanation and rehab regiment I’ve seen for golfers elbow. Well done.
CAP
@@moorcrypto5137 bro, I got hip impingement. And now it's completely gone because I did his protocol. He's a fantastic PT
Right on the money Doc!! It wasn't until I had a SLAP tear in my left shoulder capsule that a PT taught me that my rhomboids, middle traps, rear delts, supraspinatus, and infraspinatus muscles HAVE to be worked just as hard as my chest and anterior delts. Otherwise the imbalance will cause problems in many other areas. I now do prone scapular stabilization exercises (I, Y, W, T's) twice a week on either a swiss ball or on a gently inclined bench along with some serious rear delt flyes. Not only do I feel better and have reduced the imbalances in strength, but it is amazing what it does for your posture! I'm 51 and always had a hunching posture. One year of doing these exercises and my family is really impressed with my upright posture and mid-trap development.
Daddy daddy I love your mid-trap development!
I’ve had inside elbow pain for 5 months and these literally instantly got rid of majority of pain and discomfort
Thank you 🤩🙏
Thank You big man
You're welcome man!
This is prefect! This has been my number one issue for months. Icing helps some but not a lot. Mine hurts on some extention stuff but mostly the worst on pull days. And awesome to see Olu! Miss that guy on Alsruhe channel.
This guy is gold. I had shoulder pain and I did rotator cuff exercises as shown in his other video. In a few days it’s gone.
The exact video that I needed right now!
Glad to help!
Summary:
Lat stretch 4:11
Banded W
Banded Pull Apart 13:51
Also add:
Banded Bench Press 16:37
This was super timely for me as I've been struggling with this exact pain for a few months. Your videos are so helpful and how you break it down and explain it is great. Thank you for all you do.
How is your pain right now?
@@thebigmanwithwalkingtree7471it doesn’t go away 😢
Came here for preventing injury from lifting weights. Here again for preventing injury for softball. All around solid and applicable for any sport.
Had this kind of elbow pain on my left side on and off for things like dips, and occasionally tricep exercises as well. Had a dislocated shoulder on the left side side os this makes a lot of sense. Been trying to massage, heat, ice etc on that elbow and it never really helps. But its amazing that no chiro or anyone has ever suggested looking at the shoulder rotator cuffa rea.
When you said that the shoulder pain in tge opposite side of the body was the cause. It completely clicked for me. I had a lot of pain in my shoulder because of a weak rotator cuff, it subsided but i was going for a bench PR yesterday and got the elbow pain today. Got the PR but now i have ti start working in my stability.
Man thanks
I'm dealing with some problem in my elbows, wrists and triceps
Elbow pains sow much when i do push ups
Just did these exercises and i performed 22 reps, and the pain just started in the middle of the set
Thank you, now i'm doing these exercises with some wrist and elbows one and hope my problem be solved
I've been looking for a video like this for over a year. Appreciate the info and exercises.
The whistleing sound is a tad bit distracting Doc. Thanks for the info however
I'll try to get a little different background music for the next one.
Same! It's actually pretty annoying :D Other than that, great video, as always!
Good call, I paused the video trying to figure out where the whistling was coming from.
Amazing stuff Aaron.
@@Dragoni00 I appreciate it!
I'm having some serious tennis elbow pain and as I watched your video I stretched keeping my hands in a fist and stretching the the back of the hand all the way up to the elbow. Where I felt a large tender bulge on outside of my elbow has really subsided. Also icing and Ibuprofen but the stretch really brought the swelling and pain down dramatically. I think my chest development is far greater than my back development so will follow what you did today. Much thanks.
The quality of the information is phenomenal. Thank you Squat University!
I'm definitely going to incorporate this into my workout. Rotator cuff, tennis elbow and golfers elbow all on the same arm for months now, and it's really beginning to discourage me. Hope it works, Thanks for this.
I am really shocked! I've got golfer's elbow started 2 weeks ago and an old rotator cuff injury which still hurt, on the same side!!just like the guys in the video!Thanks for sharing this video!
added this to my mobility saturdays since I've started practicing BJJ and arms are feeling much better
Thank you! Great info. My elbow is getting better, I been doing this stretches for a couple of day. It is helping me tremendously.
How you doing right now?
Wow...Started to feel the pain for the past 2 months and after doing these 3 stretch that uneasy pain gone and get good hand and shoulder reach. Thanks you doc...
How you doing right now?
Thank's for this exactly my problem in my right arm's elbow.
Hope this can help!
After dealing with this issue for 6 months, got a couple PRP shots over the past month. I will incorporate these exercises now as well. Hoping this will do the trick. Thanks for the video, very informative.
Take a look at the Tyler Twist exercise. I tried it after a few months of suffering.
You're welcome Paul - hope these can help you too!
How did the excersises go?
@@davidplankensteiner4834 took about 30 days and the pain was gone. Probably more to do with the PRP shots but doing exercises as well fixed the problem
Hello, what kind of results did you get from PRP treatment?
I've had golfers elbow for a little over a year off and on. I will implement these band exercises and stretches into my routine and let everyone know how my progression goes. To give a pain level starting point I would say that it is almost chronic level pain. I have to be careful opening doors and picking things up with a supinated grip. So I would say 7/10. I don't think I will start the band exercises just yet but I will implement the Lat stretch along with some forearm stretches I have gathered from other informational video's on UA-cam. I will try to update once a month.
so, how is that after 8 months?
This channel is gold! Found it after dealing with hip impingement. Thank you for sharing your expertise that actually works!
Wow! Tremendous help!! Have struggled with this repeatedly throughout the years, havent been able to train arms in two weeks due to intense pain! Did two sessions of the three exercises in one day, and before i finished the second session i was able to do several pushups with no discomfort!
How you doing right now? Have it fixed?
Could you add the prescribed sets and reps to your description box in subsequent videos? It would be very helpful
External rotation elbows extended supinated 5 seconds, 8 reps.
Bench press with elastic only: 5 seconds down, 3 seconds iso, 3 seconds up.
Came here for one fix and got two, all of these makes sense now
@4:50 when you asked if he had any shoulder pain, I not only have golfer’s elbow but MY SHOULDER HURT lol. I think I arrived at the right place to help my elbow shoulder paim combo from lifting lately!
This was very informative. Great follow up questions by the big man, too
This video was awesome! So thorough!
This man is a magician, I'm having the exact same issue. There's a huge knot in my lat, but I didn't know the tightness caused my elbow pain.
the first stretch clicked something in my arm. i can tell the difference in a better way. its almost on the funny bone. I think it was coming from bench press also. I'll have to watch it for a while to see how it behaves but this was definitely enlightening. ty!
I have a same problem first I was told it’s a tennis elbow but seeing this guy where he has the pain I have similar
Me too! I just got back from physio about an hour ago trying to find some relief
Have had this problem for over 10 years. Thank you!
fuck sake man, hows it feeling now?
This helped me out a lot. Did the exercises as I watched the video and I can already feel some relief..
Whoa! I have been watching all kinds of videos on UA-cam on how to fix this, and for some reason doing these exercises yesterday has made my elbow pain lesson for the first time in months. Maybe I’m jumping the gun on making this comment, but just wanted to let you know it’s already seems to be working.
I’ve had these Issues/Pain for over four months now in both elbows and the Left is getting worse, “The PAIN is shooting up my Arm to the shoulder/Baby Finger/Ring finger and Pointer finger some night’s the pain wakes me up..Morton and the Elbow strap sometimes help, I will see a doctor next week..Thank you so much for the information and video😊😊😊 I’ve learned what caused it, my question is will it ever go Away or at least get better..
These are my favorite kinds of videos!
I'm glad you liked this one!
Dude you are a beast!!! Love your evaluation processes.
Thanks Jamal!
This is me right now! Right rotator issue and now golfer's on the left. Thx for the vid!
Thank you for this awesome video.
Absolutely amazing.
my man,you rock,really great videos that helped me many times,keep up the good work :)
The exact issue I deal with for years, thank you very much Doc. Your biggest fan M.
So much good content/information in this video. Thank you
Great stretch for my elbow pain
My man Olu!!!!!! BEAST!!!!!!
could you do a video on tricep tendonitis at point insertion on the elbow from doing skull crushers and similar tricep exercises, only thing on youtube for this issue rolling a tennis ball on the area
Deep tissue massage on complete triceps will stop pain.
My hero. Thank you!! 😎
Did anyone else think that @10:15 during the band pull-aparts that he was compensating for his shoulder by arching his back? Should we keep a neutral spine?! Thanks!
10:20 - His posture is so bad it literally hurts my own lower back to just watch this... O_o
Good he found you cause step by step you will fix him and save him... :D
I said “Olu???” Dope to see him! Haven’t seen this guy since the old neversate videos. Hope he’s doing well.
Curious edit/cut at 5:44. Makes me sceptical of what else you had to do before you saw the difference in flexibility.
This very helpful video i have aslo the similar problem...👍Thanku dr
Absolutely informative as always. I’ve had elbow tendinitis for 4 months. Got your book for Valentine’s Day and the pain is slowly dissipating. Thank you!
Did this help long term?
A video on Tricep tendinitis would be great!
Thanks for the suggestion
When I squat with a good, challenging weight, the set I do is hampered often by pains in my hands, wrists. In most cases I flare back the elbows quite a bit during the squat, and Im sure that has to do with the discomfort in the hands during the squat. This video really got me thinking about that, along with elbow issues I have in general . My right elbow snaps quite a bit. No pain as such, but all the stretching , yoga in the world cant rid it. As for the squatting, Im going to delve back to lighter weight and correct the shoulder/ arm form during the exercise.
I tried doing it, felt the elbow go down a bit, will keep doing to get rid kf my golfers elbow
Que capo este pata. Thanks for your videos, I´ll definitely subscribe!
You asked a question about pain in the front delt during one of the stretches, could you do a video on what to do if someone did feel that please.
This video literally came out a day after getting elbow pain from squats/bench
Perfect timing
Great video thank you!
Isn't medial epicondylitis/golfers elbow usually associated with wrist flexor and pulling movements, not pushing, whish is indicative of lateral epicondylitis?
Thank you!! 💪🏽💪🏽
I have no problems. But interesting to see the process
I feel like this is exactly what I need.
Very informative, thank you! You have just got a sub.
Thank you.
Think I just got the early onset of this from lifting. Going to take this to the doctor right away, heard too many horror stories about what happens to people who left this untreated for months and kept lifting.
What’s the best way to get a full body assessment to determine muscle imbalances and what needs work? Would a personal trainer work or do I need a physical therapist?
Great video!
This covers all the things I actually need, awesome!!!
Glad to help!
I have golfers elbow on both arms, I'm a climber. I've tried all sorts of stuff with weights and holding with external turning of forearm and many other recommendations (Massage etc). i used to do some of these exercises for should building but haven't been doing them so i'll go back to doing these exercises. The question i didn't really understand was about being flexible and losing strength? is that because the amount of weight he's lifting? obviously i need to be strong for climbing (Not benching 300+ pounds) but able to at least do 15-20 pull ups and other mobility features such as extending arm above head or pressing when required.
Is it recommended to do more stretching in my case? as well as the band exercises? (used them for shoulder rotator cuff)
Excellent. Great video 😊😊💓👍🥊
What about when doing pull ups.
My golfers elbow pain gets targeted doing pull ups nothing else.
I have golfers elbow but my pain is different than Olu's. Pressing motions do not aggravate it. For me it is straight bar biceps curls. It wasn't a problem until I added a forearm workout to my arm routine. It was a single ended dumbbell twist causing a micro tear in the tendon, ouch. I believe my golfers elbow is originated from the wrist. How can I tell?
I'm too suffering from golfers elbow especially feel pain in left elbow while doing pushups and dumbell chest press..
Same man. It's frustrating a lot of times
Doc, can you address front rack elbow pain? I have used your techniques to help solve chronic medial epicondylitis but these techniques have stopped working. I haven't been able to hold a loaded front rack for months and am concerned I have an actual UCL sprain. Please add in nerve glides too! Your videos are amazing, have been a fan since the original Squat U debuted!
Thanks
You're welcome
11:43 I saw God in this thank you God bless appreciate the resources in Jesus name 😄
Now this is a good fix. And its good to fix it when it apear. But most of us would rather do prehab than rehab. Do you have any good tips to prevent this from happen in first place?
Hey! I don't have special problem with shoulders but more like wrist poor mobility and that's prob cause my elbow problem.
Wonder if he has a similar video for the outside of the elbow, aka tennis elbow. That’s what I have
Hmmm, I pulled my lat and my tennis elbow came back. Now he’s testing the lats hmmm 🤔
Check out this blog: squatuniversity.com/2019/04/05/the-lifters-guide-to-elbow-pain/
Before watching this video i could not do even 1 rep on push ups due to my elbows hurting and after i stretched i managed to do multiple reps with minimal pain
Same here, bro
It was amazing
Can you make some biceps tendinitis please? Thanks
I'll see what I can do!
Hi, can you make a video on poping elbow too? I have this issue when I press and the angel between my arm and forearm goes below 90 degrees
could it also be because the front I guess pecks are pulling the lats forward causing the weakness?
Can you create a video on Nerve pinching in elbow? i am good with bench press but during pushups and dips, my right elbow starts twitching after 5-6 reps. its like currents twitching from elbow joint towards my triceps
I got really bad golfer elbow on my left arm. I think it was caused by dumbbell curls and poor technique. Now Whenever I do cable chest fly, wrist curl the condition gets really bad. I need some advice, thanks in advance.
Do you have a video helping with plantar fasciitis?
Would you say that if the power lifter added the bar to the pressing movement along with the band as he was on the floor that it would be a progressive neuromuscular priming test?
Hi, I want to ask if it is possible to have increased carrying angle after a trauma/injury as I am experiencing right now. Internal rotation of arm hurts and should I use a bracing all day to keep it straight?
What is the suggested protocol for this work? I'm 9 weeks out from competition and I can barely bench without my elbows pounding. If I don't sort it out my competition day will be a huge let down.
As a physical therapist, my question is if he has to take those exercises in his warm up or progressive overload those exercises for like a 3-4 weeks? Take this in his training because with only doing this once, it won't be enough, right? Or will it help doing in once because it's more a motor control case?