Wont catch me in the woods without my 6 inch ruger GP 100 357 MAG loaded with bb. Never know when you might cross path with a bear or pissed off sasquatch lol
@@rafaelpennings7597 Buffalo Bore lists actual velocities for various lever guns. 18.5" Marlin 1894 with this load: 1851 fps (1370 ft-lb). Being a large meplat hardcast slug, that puppy would penetrate like crazy from a levergun.
Thank you for this! There are hardly any reviews on the Buffalo Bore Heavy .357 180gr hardcast Keith Outdoorsman or the Heavy 158gr .38 Special +P hardcast Keith Outdoorsman. This is what I carry every time we are hiking or camping in the rugged Idaho mountains. Those are screaming. I usually carry the Ruger SP101 3" or GP100 4.2".
Good video. 14 years ago I put one of these through a Ruger Security Six with wooden magna grips. The recoil was so hard that the gun slipped through my hands snapping back and the hammer spur cut into the web of my hand and actually drew blood.
@@davidgreve1081 As far as the Smith L frame there as strong as you can get. Here a few video's Ruger guys will enjoy. ua-cam.com/video/auDoswdXO8Y/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/bTZZuKRtqKc/v-deo.html
Like I said before, a 357 magnum revolver is a great do-it-all weapon. With 7 or 8 chambers in modern revolvers, it gives you the same capacity as a 1911, more than enough to deal with 95% of self-defense situations (practicing with speed loaders will make it about 100%). It also allows you to hunt and protect yourself from pretty much any wild animal in the USA. I'd shoot at a moose with buffalo bore with confidence. Grizzly's not so much, but I don't doubt the 357 magnum at the higher end of the power spectrum can kill grizzly bears. I just got a 10mm 1911 on layaway recently. I'm excited to get it paid off and to try it. I never thought a semi-automatic round would ever exceed a 357 magnum, but 10mm can do it.
I agree these modern B.B. and underwood loads are wild and close to 900 lbs of energy pushing 180's, What 10mm did you buy. I bought a Kimber 10mm I'll post the review link below. I also just found some 10mm B. Bore the energies are close to 800 lbs but not there I'm gonna make a .357 vs 10mm video I'll also review that ammo.
@@biged7175 It's a Rock Island Armory 51991 Rock Ultra FS Single 10mm 5 8+1 Gray G1. I didn't really care that it's made in the Philippines. It was the only one in 10mm I could find under 1000, it had excellent reviews, and I wanted to secure it's purchase before any chance of that abominable and unconstitutional gun control plan of Biden's getting approved and finalized. "Smart guns"? You mean so they can be HACKED? So ultimately, we won't be able to fire it if the government says otherwise. The Second Amendment was made to PROTECT us from the government. I hate that they plan to sabotage that.
@@ShadowCatGambit I'm not the biggest fan of RIA 10mm but I have two friends and VT that own them and they do work but can be picky with ammo like my Kimber. There's a couple 1911's 10mm out there under 1K I'd love to get my hands on a Springfield Ronin 10mm..........
Awsome ammo. Its what i carry in my ruger gp100 6 inch bore. We dont have any grizzly here in kentucky but theres sigjtings of a black panther and sometimes sasquatch 🤣 great review thanks for posting and have a great thanksgiven
Saw the 686+ / 6” barrel on sale today at Cabelas in OH , thought “If only they had some BBore 180 gr hard cast I could grab” Then I’d be just like my man Big Ed slingin the lead 💥 💪 Great f’n video
This is my whitetail deer round. My state requires 700+ lbs/ft and 6" barrel for hunting big game with a handgun. These rounds "on paper" do 797 lbs/ft but through a chronograph with my 1981 Taurus 66 (same as S&W 66 with interchangeable parts), it works out to over 820 lbs/ft. Expansion is mediocre due to hard lead, but it drops deer in their tracks.
Basically the BB outdoorsman ammo the .357 180 grain hits like a 44 magnum. And the .38 158 grain hits like a .357. I have both these ammo’s loaded in my S&W model 10 and my Ruger Blackhawk.
Nice gun and video. I miss mine I should never had sold my 686. I wanted another but couldn’t find anything in 6” my closest option GP100 Talo and I love it. Still want the 686 though
Those projos are humming along! I ordered a few boxes of this load for my 6" 686 no-dash. I can't wait to get them. What dash is yours? Great video btw.
Thank you, those 180's BB really work well in my 6" 686 I bought mine back in 2012 new not sure of the dash but it's modern but without the barrel sleeve.
Love this ammo. Consistent, fast and flat shooting. Midway has the HP 180gr's clocking at 1500fps with 900 ft/lbs of energy. Really impressive numbers for .357. That's getting into .44 mag territory!
Buffalo Bore 180gr XTPs are rated at 1500fps & 900fpe. You should test some of them. Just ordered some for my Henry .357 single shot. They should be running about 1900fps & 1450fpe from a 22" barrel.
They use Lilgun powder in their rounds and are usually around .5 to .8 over recommended max charge. I can duplicate that round with a 180 hard cast gas checked bullet and 15.6 gr of Lilgun. That’s .6 over max they were .8. Also got the same results with Lilgun and the 158gr bullets.
I'd like to see your results in a 16" or 20" lever action 357. I plan on getting one next season to accompany my 7 round 357 revolver. Im ballparking it'd be around 1800fps.
180 grains at near 1500fps is serious medicine for nearly anything that ails ya. My EDC is a G23 with a Lone Wolf .357 Sig barrel in it. 125 grains at 1500fps will get the job done against mostly anything up to 300-400 lbs...not sure how it would perform against an Alaskan Grizzly and have zero intention of finding out.
Late to the party but since I started researching a good round to carry with my 308 scout rifle that spits 180gr bullets I started looking into 357 180gr. 357 will beat 10mm at all levels when both are loaded with serious heavy loads. Throw in the Ruger Redhawk with 8 shots of 357 and you are slugging it out with a 10mm for sure. That 10mm will sling some lead like nobody's business no doubt but the reliability of a revolver with a trained shooter wins in my book.
Maybe we should be considering revisiting this with the addition of a 45 super out of a 5" barrel 1911, added to the comparison? That would be interesting, of course with nothing but the best available for each caliber in all fairness
I kind of wonder about the pressure of that stuff. The batch I chronographed came up at 1410 fps from a 6” 586. I have a tough time getting 1300 fps with 186 grain hand loads.
Don't like it at all. Many tests have been done that magnum cartridge's fired from short barreled revolvers just don't get any muzzle velocity which equals energy. I bet my Smith 686 6" firing 180 BB will equal or out perform a 2" .44 Mag easy. Any magnum revolver less than 4" is a waist....... Just my .02
@@biged7175 Hard cast bullets tend to over pernitrate and do not make a good would cavity and generally the animal gets away because the wound did not devastate the internal organs bad enough fast enough. I have killed deer with the 158gr bullets also. I was just asking if you have tried the 180gr hp they are the hottest thing out there. even more so than the ones you just shot
I just got 3 boxes of buffalo bore on line just punch I buffalo bore ammo order exactly what u want UPS WILL DELIVER IT STRAIGHT TO YOUR DOOR ON THE FLIP SIDE THEY HAVE A $25 SHIPPING FEE BUT THE AMMO IS EASY TO GET
Wont catch me in the woods without my 6 inch ruger GP 100 357 MAG loaded with bb.
Never know when you might cross path with a bear or pissed off sasquatch lol
Good stuff!
That 6 inch barrel sure helps wring out every last bit of fps. Looks like a kickass round!
Yes it is.
imagine this in a lever gun
@@rafaelpennings7597 Buffalo Bore lists actual velocities for various lever guns. 18.5" Marlin 1894 with this load: 1851 fps (1370 ft-lb). Being a large meplat hardcast slug, that puppy would penetrate like crazy from a levergun.
@@exothermal.sprocketSometimes a little less velocity actually penetrates more.
@@guaporeturns9472 That is correct. Very nuanced however.
Thank you for this! There are hardly any reviews on the Buffalo Bore Heavy .357 180gr hardcast Keith Outdoorsman or the Heavy 158gr .38 Special +P hardcast Keith Outdoorsman. This is what I carry every time we are hiking or camping in the rugged Idaho mountains. Those are screaming. I usually carry the Ruger SP101 3" or GP100 4.2".
Thank you glad i could help.
Good video. 14 years ago I put one of these through a Ruger Security Six with wooden magna grips. The recoil was so hard that the gun slipped through my hands snapping back and the hammer spur cut into the web of my hand and actually drew blood.
I believe it, my charter arms .38 is no fun to shoot also the Super Red Hawk with heavy .44's can be a hand full.
Ill tell you one thing, That Ruger can take all the punishment you can deal out and still holds up for the next round!! Hold on tight and let em rip!
@@davidgreve1081 As far as the Smith L frame there as strong as you can get. Here a few video's Ruger guys will enjoy.
ua-cam.com/video/auDoswdXO8Y/v-deo.html
ua-cam.com/video/bTZZuKRtqKc/v-deo.html
@@biged7175I think the N-frame is pretty sturdy too
Ever considered collecting stamps? Knitting maybe?
BB 180 gr. are excellent rounds. Good video!
Thank you Gorilla.
Here in Alaska I used to see Alaska Backpacker ammo it would only come in 200 grain solid for 357 magnum and 300 grain solid for 44 magnum
Wow that's serious stuff.
Hardcast, not just lead, night and day!✌️
Like I said before, a 357 magnum revolver is a great do-it-all weapon. With 7 or 8 chambers in modern revolvers, it gives you the same capacity as a 1911, more than enough to deal with 95% of self-defense situations (practicing with speed loaders will make it about 100%). It also allows you to hunt and protect yourself from pretty much any wild animal in the USA. I'd shoot at a moose with buffalo bore with confidence. Grizzly's not so much, but I don't doubt the 357 magnum at the higher end of the power spectrum can kill grizzly bears.
I just got a 10mm 1911 on layaway recently. I'm excited to get it paid off and to try it. I never thought a semi-automatic round would ever exceed a 357 magnum, but 10mm can do it.
I agree these modern B.B. and underwood loads are wild and close to 900 lbs of energy pushing 180's, What 10mm did you buy. I bought a Kimber 10mm I'll post the review link below. I also just found some 10mm B. Bore the energies are close to 800 lbs but not there I'm gonna make a .357 vs 10mm video I'll also review that ammo.
@@biged7175 It's a Rock Island Armory 51991 Rock Ultra FS Single 10mm 5 8+1 Gray G1. I didn't really care that it's made in the Philippines. It was the only one in 10mm I could find under 1000, it had excellent reviews, and I wanted to secure it's purchase before any chance of that abominable and unconstitutional gun control plan of Biden's getting approved and finalized. "Smart guns"? You mean so they can be HACKED? So ultimately, we won't be able to fire it if the government says otherwise. The Second Amendment was made to PROTECT us from the government. I hate that they plan to sabotage that.
@@ShadowCatGambit I'm not the biggest fan of RIA 10mm but I have two friends and VT that own them and they do work but can be picky with ammo like my Kimber. There's a couple 1911's 10mm out there under 1K I'd love to get my hands on a Springfield Ronin 10mm..........
not if you compare buffalo bore 180grjhp to any 180jhp in 10mm
@@MrBirdman123 Your in luck I just picked up three boxes of 10mm B.B. and will do a side by side .357 vs 10mm.
good video! Merry Christmas to you my friend!
Merry Christmas to you also Bill.
Awsome ammo. Its what i carry in my ruger gp100 6 inch bore. We dont have any grizzly here in kentucky but theres sigjtings of a black panther and sometimes sasquatch 🤣 great review thanks for posting and have a great thanksgiven
Buffalo Bore in general is unbelievable, I've been looking to pick up another Ruger.
Those may be the hottest factory round ever for 357.
I agree there over 800lbs from my 6" 686 outta a 16" lever gun they'd be 1,000+ lbs
Saw the 686+ / 6” barrel on sale today at Cabelas in OH , thought “If only they had some BBore 180 gr hard cast I could grab” Then I’d be just like my man Big Ed slingin the lead 💥 💪 Great f’n video
It's still a great revolver also great if I had only one handgun. I mostly carry full power 158's JHP.
Thanks Big Ed!
This is my whitetail deer round. My state requires 700+ lbs/ft and 6" barrel for hunting big game with a handgun. These rounds "on paper" do 797 lbs/ft but through a chronograph with my 1981 Taurus 66 (same as S&W 66 with interchangeable parts), it works out to over 820 lbs/ft. Expansion is mediocre due to hard lead, but it drops deer in their tracks.
Got to get some of that!
Basically the BB outdoorsman ammo the .357 180 grain hits like a 44 magnum. And the .38 158 grain hits like a .357. I have both these ammo’s loaded in my S&W model 10 and my Ruger Blackhawk.
Nice gun and video. I miss mine I should never had sold my 686. I wanted another but couldn’t find anything in 6” my closest option GP100 Talo and I love it. Still want the 686 though
Craig there are plenty of 686's available on gunbroker at fair prices.
Those projos are humming along! I ordered a few boxes of this load for my 6" 686 no-dash. I can't wait to get them. What dash is yours? Great video btw.
Thank you, those 180's BB really work well in my 6" 686 I bought mine back in 2012 new not sure of the dash but it's modern but without the barrel sleeve.
I have gotten back into cowboy action firearms. I am going to run this and carry a 357 magnum BFR.
Not for long
Love this ammo. Consistent, fast and flat shooting. Midway has the HP 180gr's clocking at 1500fps with 900 ft/lbs of energy. Really impressive numbers for .357. That's getting into .44 mag territory!
Yes it is.
That is smoking........Merry Christmas
Merry x-mas Russ.
I carry the B.B. 180 Hard cast in my Smith 19 and/or 686 during blueberry picking time in Black bear country.
Nathan I think that's a great choice and well thought out. I believe bears love berries.
I went hog hunting using that very load. It did the job.
I'm sure it did.
And personally I would go with the .357 mag over the 10 mm. .357 mag is just hard to beat especially in a rifle
I a gree love .357 !
Buffalo Bore 180gr XTPs are rated at 1500fps & 900fpe. You should test some of them. Just ordered some for my Henry .357 single shot. They should be running about 1900fps & 1450fpe from a 22" barrel.
I've never seen any of those if I'd pay you if you send me a box to test.
Have you shot deer with your 357?
Pushing 900lbs ME!
Wow ! And it would be even more powerful out of my lever gun
They use Lilgun powder in their rounds and are usually around .5 to .8 over recommended max charge. I can duplicate that round with a 180 hard cast gas checked bullet and 15.6 gr of Lilgun. That’s .6 over max they were .8. Also got the same results with Lilgun and the 158gr bullets.
Interesting but I'll stick with H110 I've got a couple of pounds.
@@biged7175 I use the h110 for everything also. It’s easier to find and I got lots of it.
I like the fireballs coming out the end of the barrel. You may need an 8” barrel for those loads!
I've looked at them. Lol
I'd like to see your results in a 16" or 20" lever action 357. I plan on getting one next season to accompany my 7 round 357 revolver. Im ballparking it'd be around 1800fps.
This video is close.
ua-cam.com/video/ZCpfFLLANr4/v-deo.html
180 grains at near 1500fps is serious medicine for nearly anything that ails ya. My EDC is a G23 with a Lone Wolf .357 Sig barrel in it. 125 grains at 1500fps will get the job done against mostly anything up to 300-400 lbs...not sure how it would perform against an Alaskan Grizzly and have zero intention of finding out.
A .357 G23 is a great edc Lol on zero intentions on an Alaskan Grizz.
Was considering this round for use in a Ruger SP101, but may be pretty aweful to fire out of that small of a gun.
I would only use a round this large for bear protection or hunting large deer.
Just ordered a box of these to load into my 65-3 4in barrel for my woods gun. Hopefully keep me from becoming bear shit if the need arises
I carry the same thing in the woods.
Late to the party but since I started researching a good round to carry with my 308 scout rifle that spits 180gr bullets I started looking into 357 180gr. 357 will beat 10mm at all levels when both are loaded with serious heavy loads. Throw in the Ruger Redhawk with 8 shots of 357 and you are slugging it out with a 10mm for sure. That 10mm will sling some lead like nobody's business no doubt but the reliability of a revolver with a trained shooter wins in my book.
Thank you Chris, I've been working on a .357 vs 10mm video for a bit taking some time, but .357 round for round got more umff than 10mm.
Maybe we should be considering revisiting this with the addition of a 45 super out of a 5" barrel 1911, added to the comparison? That would be interesting, of course with nothing but the best available for each caliber in all fairness
Dang.
I think that’s around 266 power factor Yeeks now let’s see how a s&w k frame handles that 🤣
I kind of wonder about the pressure of that stuff. The batch I chronographed came up at 1410 fps from a 6” 586. I have a tough time getting 1300 fps with 186 grain hand loads.
Buffalo bore is special hard to duplicate.
Thinking of getting a Ruger Alaskan 44 to replace my SP 101 carrying .180 buffalo bore for black bear country while backpacking. Any thoughts?
Don't like it at all. Many tests have been done that magnum cartridge's fired from short barreled revolvers just don't get any muzzle velocity which equals energy. I bet my Smith 686 6" firing 180 BB will equal or out perform a 2" .44 Mag easy. Any magnum revolver less than 4" is a waist....... Just my .02
@@biged7175 Thanks for your insight-appreciate it.
Whats the velocity out of a henry rifle
That's a boomer. How was the recoil? Merry Christmas!
Merry Christmas. Recoil is stout for a 357 but not bad with a 6 inch 686.
I shoot these out of my Henry! Deer hit inside 100 yards don’t go 40 yards!
I bet you over 1,000+ lbs muzzle energy out of your Henry with these.
have you ever used the jhp 180gr bullets?
Just for fun, I dropped a deer years ago with my .357 using 158's went down fine. These would make and excellent hunting load.
@@biged7175 Hard cast bullets tend to over pernitrate and do not make a good would cavity and generally the animal gets away because the wound did not devastate the internal organs bad enough fast enough. I have killed deer with the 158gr bullets also. I was just asking if you have tried the 180gr hp they are the hottest thing out there. even more so than the ones you just shot
@Edgar Critter Buffalo bore 180gr hollow points?
Who sells these Buffalo Bore bullets for 357 mag heavy 180 grain bullets?
Just keep searching online. Gunbroker will have them for sale.
I just got 3 boxes of buffalo bore on line just punch I buffalo bore ammo order exactly what u want UPS WILL DELIVER IT STRAIGHT TO YOUR DOOR ON THE FLIP SIDE THEY HAVE A $25 SHIPPING FEE BUT THE AMMO IS EASY TO GET
10mm v 357 for sure
Will do for sure.
Will that ruin your gun now?
A 686 is a quality gun that will be just fine shooting these.
@@biged7175 For a while...Ruger can handle it all day
Can you run these in a ruger security 6? Steel frame?
Only in a newer one from 1980's and on.
Really nice 👌 😍💋 💝💖❤️
He didn't mention the penetration though.